The Bishop's Handbook has the section on this matter. It happened several times. The ultimate approval is by the First Presidency. The process starts with the Bishop/Branch President. W. David Samuelsen jeff_campbell wrote: > Forgive me if this is the second posting of this message...... > > > Long story short. I am a new convert and was engaged to a member that was killed in an accident. I asked the missionaries last night if it was possible that she and I be sealed still since we were engaged to be married and the Elders had no clue. Does anyone know if the church makes special arrangements for situations like this? Her parents, who are recent converts themselves, I'm sure would testify on my behalf that we did have plans to marry. > > Just wondering, > > Jeff

Forgive me if this is the second posting of this message...... Long story short. I am a new convert and was engaged to a member that was killed in an accident. I asked the missionaries last night if it was possible that she and I be sealed still since we were engaged to be married and the Elders had no clue. Does anyone know if the church makes special arrangements for situations like this? Her parents, who are recent converts themselves, I'm sure would testify on my behalf that we did have plans to marry. Just wondering, Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------ Doctorate Degrees Online Advance your career with an online degree. Click here for free information. http://216.21.215.31/fc/FgElN1mHTNEjHjV9jCpG3HYp8xvFR2vhWxcSZPXmjSIEti3TGmfpzZGKVrS/

> ... the presenter said that when > we combine right now that we are only combining in our tree. He said that > if his son-in-law went to the same records that it would not be combined > for > the son-in-law. The presenter, Dave Vickers, talked to someone he knows > in > SLC who confirmed his theory. He told him to send him an email when the > combined records started showing up for everyone because it is too much > work > to do all that combining and then just do it again. This is not correct. When you combine, everyone who accesses any of the combined persons will see that they have been combined. This is easily tested. The next time you do some combining, ask someone else to log in and look at the records. Aloha, John

Jeff: I don't know current church policy on this, but I can give you information from a situation in my family history. My great-great-grandfather was associated with a young couple about to be married in the mid-1800s. The young man was killed shortly before the wedding, leaving the young lady without a groom. This was in the days of polygamy, and it ended up that my 2nd great grandfather married this young woman for time, but had her sealed to her deceased fiance. So your request is not wholly unique, and it has been granted in the past. Gaylon jeff_campbell wrote: > Forgive me if this is the second posting of this message...... > > > Long story short. I am a new convert and was engaged to a member that was killed in an accident. I asked the missionaries last night if it was possible that she and I be sealed still since we were engaged to be married and the Elders had no clue. Does anyone know if the church makes special arrangements for situations like this? Her parents, who are recent converts themselves, I'm sure would testify on my behalf that we did have plans to marry. > > Just wondering, > > Jeff > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Doctorate Degrees Online > Advance your career with an online degree. Click here for free information. > http://216.21.215.31/fc/FgElN1mHTNEjHjV9jCpG3HYp8xvFR2vhWxcSZPXmjSIEti3TGmfpzZGKVrS/ > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I think that is a question you need to ask your Bishop. He may have to call Salt Lake for clarification on that matter. Frances -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jeff_campbell Sent: June 16, 2009 9:41 AM To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDS-WC] temple sealing.... Forgive me if this is the second posting of this message...... Long story short. I am a new convert and was engaged to a member that was killed in an accident. I asked the missionaries last night if it was possible that she and I be sealed still since we were engaged to be married and the Elders had no clue. Does anyone know if the church makes special arrangements for situations like this? Her parents, who are recent converts themselves, I'm sure would testify on my behalf that we did have plans to marry. Just wondering, Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------ Doctorate Degrees Online Advance your career with an online degree. Click here for free information. http://216.21.215.31/fc/FgElN1mHTNEjHjV9jCpG3HYp8xvFR2vhWxcSZPXmjSIEti3TGmfp zZGKVrS/ Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You left out one very important detail - death dates as explained in the ruling I posted. Nancy Scott wrote: > David, > > I agree that this answer is clear. I personally keep a 3 by 5 index card > that says: > > Persons born within the last 95 years > Obtain permission from the closest living relative > 2009/1914 Clarification - if already have death date. No permission required if over 95 years. > Born with in the last 110 years > Death date or knowledge of death required > 2009/1899 Clarification - 95 to 110 years, WITHOUT death date, still requires permission, no permission required if over 110 years. David Samuelsen

I am convert to the church and have a question regarding temple sealing. Having grown up with many LDS friends I was familiar with temple marriage though not really the depth of the covenants etc. During a meeting last night with the missionaries I asked the Elders a question which they had no answer for so I thought I'd search it out on the Internet when I found this forum and so I though I'd ask here. I was engaged to a young lady earlier this year that passed away tragically in a car wreck. She had joined the church a year ago and is responsible for my path to conversion and to the conversion of her parents who hope to be sealed in the temple this coming year. I want to be sealed to my fiancée and I am wondering if the church would allow this to happen? Meaning, since she is dead and I am not, would the church allow for our sealing together? Her parents would stand up on my behalf and testify to this. I want to be with her for eternity and I know that she wanted to be with sealed to me while alive. Thanks, Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------ Unsecured Loan Save hundreds on an Unsecured Loan - Click here. http://216.21.215.31/fc/FgElN1mCAkK6iffD0HKAeZigJAo4a7lJq3i3PszIhJK6dPMg4jKjMUwZIfm/

And if the Bishop is unsure, ask the Temple President in your area. Good luck to you and sorry for your loss. Megan Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeff_campbell" <jeff_campbell@myway.com> To: <LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:41 AM Subject: [LDS-WC] temple sealing.... > Forgive me if this is the second posting of this message...... > > > Long story short. I am a new convert and was engaged to a member that was > killed in an accident. I asked the missionaries last night if it was > possible that she and I be sealed still since we were engaged to be > married and the Elders had no clue. Does anyone know if the church makes > special arrangements for situations like this? Her parents, who are > recent converts themselves, I'm sure would testify on my behalf that we > did have plans to marry. > > Just wondering, > > Jeff > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Doctorate Degrees Online > Advance your career with an online degree. Click here for free > information. > http://216.21.215.31/fc/FgElN1mHTNEjHjV9jCpG3HYp8xvFR2vhWxcSZPXmjSIEti3TGmfpzZGKVrS/ > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jeff when talking with your Bishop on this question, ask him,  if later in life you decide to be sealed to another will you have to ask for permission from the first presidency. Harry WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we are when we learn our past --- On Tue, 6/16/09, Frances Swendsen <frances.swendsen@shaw.ca> wrote: From: Frances Swendsen <frances.swendsen@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple sealing.... To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 10:04 AM I think that is a question you need to ask your Bishop.  He may have to call Salt Lake for clarification on that matter. Frances -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jeff_campbell Sent: June 16, 2009 9:41 AM To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDS-WC] temple sealing.... Forgive me if this is the second posting of this message...... Long story short.  I am a new convert and was engaged to a member that was killed in an accident.  I asked the missionaries last night if it was possible that she and I be sealed still since we were engaged to be married and the Elders had no clue.  Does anyone know if the church makes special arrangements for situations like this?  Her parents, who are recent converts themselves, I'm sure would testify on my behalf that we did have plans to marry. Just wondering, Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------ Doctorate Degrees Online Advance your career with an online degree. Click here for free information. http://216.21.215.31/fc/FgElN1mHTNEjHjV9jCpG3HYp8xvFR2vhWxcSZPXmjSIEti3TGmfp zZGKVrS/ Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just had an idea of a way to spread the 95/110 year rule. Print the explanation as sent by Support and insert into bulletins on Father's Day. Just thought that I would share the idea. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio

David, I agree that this answer is clear. I personally keep a 3 by 5 index card that says: Persons born within the last 95 years Obtain permission from the closest living relative 2009/1914 Born with in the last 110 years Death date or knowledge of death required 2009/1899 Wait one year from death date to submit temple work Church Family History websites www.familysearch.org labs.familysearch.org new.familysearch.org My husband prints them out for me using 3 x 5 cards that will print 9 at a time from a computer and I put them out on the Family History table I have set up. To make it more clear for others I am thinking that I will add under born in the last 110 years if death date is not known to "also obtain permission from closest living relative." I went to the Help Center and under Training and Resources there is the same wording that we have been talking about in previous posts that we had a major discussion. I could not find it worded in the clear format that they sent you. What I found was a PDF file from the User's Guide and I am thinking that it is the same reference that I had made to the User's Guide previously in our past discussion. You can also access that information by just clicking on "How to Use Family Search" and going to the Guides on the Home Page of NFS. I would like to see them to post this answer to you in the Documents section so that it can be made more clear unless it really does exist somewhere that I could not find it. I have had somewhat heated discussions with my FH class with the members who do not think that they should be needing to obtain permission for the nearest living relative. I even had a phone call last Friday at the Columbus Office temple from a member who had just printed off a request for someone to do work for his brother who was born in the last 95 years. The mother is living and she asked if permission needed to be gotten from her as someone had mentioned it to her. I said that permission was needed from the living mother and then went and read the order of the listing for the 95 year rule. She said that she had not opened the document that says that you are agreeing with church policies. (I am thinking that she just assumed that she already knew the church policies.) She also said that she was just printing it for someone else. Even if she was just printing it for someone else the fact that she called me to ask about the policy meant that she was not aware of it. Somehow we need to get this urgent message to more members who when they see the word, "Ready" are off in a race to the finish line but don't really see signs and cautions that "The Work is Already Done". If you could reply to Support and ask them if the wording they sent you exists in the Guides, I would appreciate it. I could not find that. I would love to see it worded exactly the way they sent it to you so that members cannot misunderstand. Thanks for sharing, Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W. David Samuelsen Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 08:29 PM To: LDS Ward Consultant Subject: [LDS-WC] 95/110 birth year rule - finally clear answer Finally got the reply to the question of 95/110 rule from birth date. 1. 95 years or less, must have permission from closest living relative. 2. 95 years to 110 years, if no death date is found, ordinances are delayed to 110 years and permission must be obtained from closest relative. Thank you for contacting FamilySearch Support. The following are current temple submission policies related to your question: For individuals who have been born in the last 95 years, Church policy states that permission must be obtained from the closest living relative before submitting anyone born within the last 95 years. ("Temple and Family History Work," section 9 of the Church Handbook of Instructions, Book 2: Priesthood and Auxiliary Leaders [2006], 263). This would be in the following order: un-divorced spouse, adult children, parents, and siblings ("Policies for Preparing Names for Temple Work," FamilySearch, 7). Please note, this date changes each year; for this year any individual who was born in 1914 or later requires permission. (The above-mentioned "Policies for Preparing Names for Temple Work" is available as a printable PDF document in New FamilySearch. After logging on to New FamilySearch, select "Help Center" and "Overviews and Guides." It is listed as one of the "Guides.") Additionally, if there is no death date available, the length increases to 110 years. In other words, for those individuals with no death date, permission from the closest living relative must be obtained for those born within the last 110 years. (Currently, it would be anyone born 1899 or later.) These policies help ensure that living people are not accidentally submitted and also that the closest living relatives have the first opportunity to perform proxy work. They also help to ensure that the feelings of others are considered and relationships are not damaged by the work we do. Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do not apologize for a sincere question. I have in my many years in the Church heard similar stories to yours where permission was granted. But I believe it has to be given by The First Presidency. Helle -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af jeff_campbell Sendt: 16. juni 2009 17:41 Til: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com Emne: [LDS-WC] temple sealing.... Forgive me if this is the second posting of this message...... Long story short. I am a new convert and was engaged to a member that was killed in an accident. I asked the missionaries last night if it was possible that she and I be sealed still since we were engaged to be married and the Elders had no clue. Does anyone know if the church makes special arrangements for situations like this? Her parents, who are recent converts themselves, I'm sure would testify on my behalf that we did have plans to marry. Just wondering, Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------ Doctorate Degrees Online Advance your career with an online degree. Click here for free information. http://216.21.215.31/fc/FgElN1mHTNEjHjV9jCpG3HYp8xvFR2vhWxcSZPXmjSIEti3TGmfp zZGKVrS/ Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message E-mail checket af Spyware Doctor(6.0.1.441) Databaseversion: 6.12620 http://www.pctools.com/dk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Mary, I sort of messed up on the subject because I had the title to the web site but not the address but then for some reason changed it. Not that this needs to make any sense. The URL is: http://75.101.166.20/utahidaho/news_updates.html It is the last link on "Things You Should Know". Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary S. Scott (Michigan) Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 05:45 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Combining duplications in NFS for Utah and Idaho Your insights into Pioneer Ancestry were very informative. Unfortunately the website link didn't come through in your entry. Would you be able to write out the link so that other consultants could find the instructions for "Members with Pioneer Ancestry"? I'm certain many of us would use the information as we work with our ward members. Thank you. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple District ________________________________ From: Nancy Scott <nascott@cinci.rr.com> To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:07:58 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] Combining duplications in NFS for Utah and Idaho I located the above church web site that shows the temples being rolled out. One of the things that I found to be of interest was a link, "Instruction for Members with Pioneer Ancestry". It states that generally, LDS pioneer ancestors already have their ordinance work completed.  They either received the ordinances while they were living, or their descendant have performed the ordinances on their behalf.  Because of the large number of descendant submissions it is not uncommon to find large amount of duplicate information about these individuals in the New FamilySearch web site.  A patron may want to match and combine much of the duplicate information for each pioneer ancestor but a limit on the number of records that can be combined has been set in the system to reduce the impact on system performance. If a member has a pioneer ancestor containing a large amount of information in NFS, combine duplicate information until you find his or her ordinances dates.  When you find the ordinance information, stop combining. Over time, changes to the NFS web site will be made that will improve the way the information about these pioneer ancestors is accessed and displayed. What I found particularly interesting about this link was the guideline to only combine until the ordinances are found and then stop combining.  I feel that this guideline can apply to lines other than pioneer ancestry such as Mayflower lines, lines that link to Joseph Smith and Emma Hale, and early settlers to the United States.  This was a surprise to me but I am not sure why because the limit has been set at 150 for the number of combinations. This would be a different line of thinking than the idea to clean up everything that we can before Utah and Idaho come onboard. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio         Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

to find this and other useful instructions go to https://consultant.familysearch.org click on - go to Utah and Idaho Instructions click on News & Updates tab at top of page click on Instructions for members with Pioneer Ancestry - at bottom of page under Things you should know Judi Hansen Mt. Timpanogous District. -----Original Message----- From: Mary S. Scott (Michigan) <mscscott28@yahoo.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, Jun 15, 2009 3:44 pm Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Combining duplications in NFS for Utah and Idaho Your insights into Pioneer Ancestry were very informative. Unfortunately the website link didn't come through in your entry. Would you be able to write out the link so that other consultants could find the instructions for "Members with Pioneer Ancestry"? I'm certain many of us would use the information as we work with our ward members. Thank you. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple District

How about a copy and paste job. "Generally, LDS pioneer ancestors already have had their ordinance work completed. They either received the ordinances while they were living, or their descendants have performed the ordinances on their behalf. Because many early pioneers have a large number of descendants who have submitted family history work to the Church: a.. It is not uncommon to find large amounts of duplicate information about these individuals in the new FamilySearch Web site. b.. This may prompt a patron to want to match and combine much of the duplicate information for each pioneer ancestor. c.. A limit on the number of records that can be combined has been set in the system to reduce the impact on system performance. If a member has a pioneer ancestor containing a large amount of information in the new FamilySearch Web site: a.. Only combine duplicate information until you find his or her ordinance dates. b.. When you find the ordinance information, stop combining. Over time, changes to the new FamilySearch Web site will be made that will improve the way the information about these pioneer ancestors is accessed and displayed." Don From: "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <mscscott28@yahoo.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Combining duplications in NFS for Utah and Idaho Your insights into Pioneer Ancestry were very informative. Unfortunately the website link didn't come through in your entry. Would you be able to write out the link so that other consultants could find the instructions for "Members with Pioneer Ancestry"? I'm certain many of us would use the information as we work with our ward members. Thank you. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple District ________________________________ From: Nancy Scott <nascott@cinci.rr.com> To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:07:58 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] Combining duplications in NFS for Utah and Idaho I located the above church web site that shows the temples being rolled out. One of the things that I found to be of interest was a link, "Instruction for Members with Pioneer Ancestry". It states that generally, LDS pioneer ancestors already have their ordinance work completed. They either received the ordinances while they were living, or their descendant have performed the ordinances on their behalf. Because of the large number of descendant submissions it is not uncommon to find large amount of duplicate information about these individuals in the New FamilySearch web site. A patron may want to match and combine much of the duplicate information for each pioneer ancestor but a limit on the number of records that can be combined has been set in the system to reduce the impact on system performance. If a member has a pioneer ancestor containing a large amount of information in NFS, combine duplicate information until you find his or her ordinances dates. When you find the ordinance information, stop combining. Over time, changes to the NFS web site will be made that will improve the way the information about these pioneer ancestors is accessed and displayed. What I found particularly interesting about this link was the guideline to only combine until the ordinances are found and then stop combining. I feel that this guideline can apply to lines other than pioneer ancestry such as Mayflower lines, lines that link to Joseph Smith and Emma Hale, and early settlers to the United States. This was a surprise to me but I am not sure why because the limit has been set at 150 for the number of combinations. This would be a different line of thinking than the idea to clean up everything that we can before Utah and Idaho come onboard. 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Finally got the reply to the question of 95/110 rule from birth date. 1. 95 years or less, must have permission from closest living relative. 2. 95 years to 110 years, if no death date is found, ordinances are delayed to 110 years and permission must be obtained from closest relative. Thank you for contacting FamilySearch Support. The following are current temple submission policies related to your question: For individuals who have been born in the last 95 years, Church policy states that permission must be obtained from the closest living relative before submitting anyone born within the last 95 years. (“Temple and Family History Work,” section 9 of the Church Handbook of Instructions, Book 2: Priesthood and Auxiliary Leaders [2006], 263). This would be in the following order: un-divorced spouse, adult children, parents, and siblings ("Policies for Preparing Names for Temple Work," FamilySearch, 7). Please note, this date changes each year; for this year any individual who was born in 1914 or later requires permission. (The above-mentioned "Policies for Preparing Names for Temple Work" is available as a printable PDF document in New FamilySearch. After logging on to New FamilySearch, select "Help Center" and "Overviews and Guides." It is listed as one of the "Guides.") Additionally, if there is no death date available, the length increases to 110 years. In other words, for those individuals with no death date, permission from the closest living relative must be obtained for those born within the last 110 years. (Currently, it would be anyone born 1899 or later.) These policies help ensure that living people are not accidentally submitted and also that the closest living relatives have the first opportunity to perform proxy work. They also help to ensure that the feelings of others are considered and relationships are not damaged by the work we do.

Your insights into Pioneer Ancestry were very informative. Unfortunately the website link didn't come through in your entry. Would you be able to write out the link so that other consultants could find the instructions for "Members with Pioneer Ancestry"? I'm certain many of us would use the information as we work with our ward members. Thank you. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple District ________________________________ From: Nancy Scott <nascott@cinci.rr.com> To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:07:58 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] Combining duplications in NFS for Utah and Idaho I located the above church web site that shows the temples being rolled out. One of the things that I found to be of interest was a link, "Instruction for Members with Pioneer Ancestry". It states that generally, LDS pioneer ancestors already have their ordinance work completed.  They either received the ordinances while they were living, or their descendant have performed the ordinances on their behalf.  Because of the large number of descendant submissions it is not uncommon to find large amount of duplicate information about these individuals in the New FamilySearch web site.  A patron may want to match and combine much of the duplicate information for each pioneer ancestor but a limit on the number of records that can be combined has been set in the system to reduce the impact on system performance. If a member has a pioneer ancestor containing a large amount of information in NFS, combine duplicate information until you find his or her ordinances dates.  When you find the ordinance information, stop combining. Over time, changes to the NFS web site will be made that will improve the way the information about these pioneer ancestors is accessed and displayed. What I found particularly interesting about this link was the guideline to only combine until the ordinances are found and then stop combining.  I feel that this guideline can apply to lines other than pioneer ancestry such as Mayflower lines, lines that link to Joseph Smith and Emma Hale, and early settlers to the United States.  This was a surprise to me but I am not sure why because the limit has been set at 150 for the number of combinations. This would be a different line of thinking than the idea to clean up everything that we can before Utah and Idaho come onboard. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio         Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I located the above church web site that shows the temples being rolled out. One of the things that I found to be of interest was a link, "Instruction for Members with Pioneer Ancestry". It states that generally, LDS pioneer ancestors already have their ordinance work completed. They either received the ordinances while they were living, or their descendant have performed the ordinances on their behalf. Because of the large number of descendant submissions it is not uncommon to find large amount of duplicate information about these individuals in the New FamilySearch web site. A patron may want to match and combine much of the duplicate information for each pioneer ancestor but a limit on the number of records that can be combined has been set in the system to reduce the impact on system performance. If a member has a pioneer ancestor containing a large amount of information in NFS, combine duplicate information until you find his or her ordinances dates. When you find the ordinance information, stop combining. Over time, changes to the NFS web site will be made that will improve the way the information about these pioneer ancestors is accessed and displayed. What I found particularly interesting about this link was the guideline to only combine until the ordinances are found and then stop combining. I feel that this guideline can apply to lines other than pioneer ancestry such as Mayflower lines, lines that link to Joseph Smith and Emma Hale, and early settlers to the United States. This was a surprise to me but I am not sure why because the limit has been set at 150 for the number of combinations. This would be a different line of thinking than the idea to clean up everything that we can before Utah and Idaho come onboard. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio

The parish records exist...they just haven't been microfilmed.  A professional researcher located them.  The Catholic church keeps impeccable records....which is such a "plus" for family history research!  Many times, people researching in Sicily will need to look in a neighboring village/parish for records, too. --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Mary S. Scott (Michigan) <mscscott28@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Mary S. Scott (Michigan) <mscscott28@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Italian research To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:00 AM Perhaps the parish with records back to 1800 wasn't in existence until then. When was the parish created? What parish did it spring from? These thoughts may not be useful but they are worth exploring. I remember looking for some Church records in the Netherlands and finally discovered that the parish was organized from part of another parish. Then I was able to find my family members again. In Sweden, the same thing has happened. Luckily there is a book "Cradled in Sweden" with a table which lists every parish and when it was started. Does a similar list exist for Italy and Sicily? Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple District       Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Perhaps the parish with records back to 1800 wasn't in existence until then. When was the parish created? What parish did it spring from? These thoughts may not be useful but they are worth exploring. I remember looking for some Church records in the Netherlands and finally discovered that the parish was organized from part of another parish. Then I was able to find my family members again. In Sweden, the same thing has happened. Luckily there is a book "Cradled in Sweden" with a table which lists every parish and when it was started. Does a similar list exist for Italy and Sicily? Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple District