Only thing is if they share our email addresses we may all get even more junk mail than we do now! Barbi ----- Original Message ----- From: Paula Goodfellow To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] For the folks at NFS I sent four two nights ago, and haven't heard back from any. Of course it's summer, so some might be traveling. Paula On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:44 PM, DC & Alice Allen wrote: > Now if there were only a way to get them to ANSWER those > emails............... > > While it seems that most of the ones I want to contact are in Utah & > Idaho and not rolled out yet, once in a while I find someone who has > an email contact. But I've only been successful in getting an > answer out of one person. > > I've only been contacted about twice, but made sure to answer. > > Alice > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 6/17/2009 at 10:59 PM JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > > <snip> >> >> So...NFS folks...please REQUIRE an email or snail mail in order to >> register >> so we can get in touch with one another !! :-) >> >> Michele > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

People are just living longer, so we need to go by the rules, which will probably change in the near future.  Does anyone remember how old that lady from France was when she passed?  Something like 125 years old! From: W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] NFS shows someone else doing live member's ordinances To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 11:06 AM That happpened to my cousin, too. And still very much living. Wasted no time using feedback to notify and even giving the support the phone number of cousin's daughter (she's over 80 years old) to contact to confirm. The information and ordinances were yanked from the nFS, leaving only information for her daughter who has access. The ordinances were by a distant cousin. David Samuelsen

That happpened to my cousin, too. And still very much living. Wasted no time using feedback to notify and even giving the support the phone number of cousin's daughter (she's over 80 years old) to contact to confirm. The information and ordinances were yanked from the nFS, leaving only information for her daughter who has access. The ordinances were by a distant cousin. David Samuelsen DORIS BATEMAN wrote: > I really had a surprise yesterday. I helped one of our staff members at Ogden FHC sign up for NFS. We have just been given access, but I have had access for over a year. When he looked at his own record, he was shocked to find out that he was in the system twice, once as a live member and once (I presume as deceased; as his name was not in italics). There was no death date showing, and he was even more shocked to find out that someone whose code name he did not recognize had done his baptism; and his endowment was "in progress" even though he had done his own work years ago. This gentleman was in his mid 70's. Of course, we sent it on to through feedback for help from the programmers. Does anyone know if they can contact the person who is doing this and cancel the card that is made out? > > To me it really points out the importance of following the 95/110 rules we have been talking about and making sure to teach our people that when we do descendency research that we are careful about these rules. > > Doris Bateman >

Gay wrote: I am helping a young man in our ward put together a pedigree chart prior to leaving on a mission in July. His parents were married in the temple and he was BIC. All the work is done on both sides for his ancestors. However, his father has recently been excommunicated from the church. On the pedigree chart, should I leave the ordinances blank for his father or include them? I realize he is currently a non-member, but if I leave the ordinance information off it will appear as if the son is not sealed to his parents and they did not have a temple marriage. How does this affect the mother's temple sealing to her husband and the childrens' sealings to her? Also, will this pedigree chart without ordinances showing result in embarrassment for the young missionary? What is the proper thing to do in this situation? Thx. Gay, I have a couple of responses for you. First of all, think of this as a historical record. The past ordinances occurred, so they need to be recorded. If you leave them off, others will come and say your records are wrong and try to show you that they were performed. I keep a private note to myself about an excommunication, and then if it isn't taken care of during this lifetime, it will need to be resolved later. If the father returns to the Church, he will be rebaptized--and the baptism date will change. Then, the First Presidency will perform an ordinance called a restoration of blessings, and the original temple ordinances will be in force again. This is a situation where the baptism date will be after the ordinances, but they are all valid. Another reason to record all of the ordinances is exactly the issue you brought up. If you don't, it would look like the young man had never been sealed to his parents, and he has been. That ordinance is still in effect, regardless of the worthiness of his parents. We receive the blessing of an eternal family through the marriage sealing of our parents (if we are born in the covenant), but that covenant is still between the Lord and us. Elder Cree L. Kofford wrote a beautiful Ensign article in 1998 that I think should be mandatory reading for every member of the Church. He gives the plainest explanation of a marriage sealing and the various elements of that sealing that I have ever seen. It was titled, "Marriage in the Lord's Way, Part One," and it was published June 1998, starting on page 7. (There is also a second part.) He discusses four elements of the temple sealing: 1st Individual covenants and their associated blessings - Both the husband and the wife make individual covenants with our Heavenly Father and will receive individual blessings based on individual worthiness. These individual covenants remain in force, based on individual worthiness, even if the spouse later becomes unworthy. 2nd Joint covenants and blessings - The two individuals at the altar also make joint covenants with our Heavenly Father that are received jointly and are based on their joint worthiness. These promises are available to the couple as one and are received as a single unit. Both individuals in the couple need to be worthy to receive these blessings. 3rd Joining in celestial marriage - This element allows the couple to live as husband and wife, according to the laws of the land, but they are also united for eternity to form a new family unit that will last forever, if they are faithful. 4th Blessings for children born in the covenant - All children born after a marriage sealing are born into the covenant and are promised the blessing of an eternal family. They are entitled to the blessings of the Abrahamic covenant, which include the blessings of the Gospel, the priesthood, celestial marriage, and eternal life. Elder Kofford also said: "It is revealing to know that even if the two of you cease to be faithful in keeping the covenants you make in the temple, these blessings will still flow to your children." When parents who were sealed in the temple divorce, they do not impact the Lord's covenant with their children. It remains in force, and it needs to remain on the records that the children were born in the covenant. We can record a sealing as canceled (if it was), but that continues to acknowledge that it occurred and shows why the children were born in the covenant. Here's one more quote. President Joseph Fielding Smith has said: "We have the assurance that the Lord will reward every soul according to his or her works. He will judge each of us by the intent of the heart. . . . "If a man or a woman who has been sealed in the temple for time and eternity should sin and lose the right to receive the exaltation in the celestial kingdom, he or she could not retard the progress of the injured companion who had been faithful. Everyone will be judged according to his works, and there would be no justice in condemning the innocent for the sins of the guilty." Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 2, 176-7) I have a sacrament meeting talk I gave on this subject a couple of years ago. Since I have consistently tried to help others understand this concept of not losing individual blessings because of the unworthiness of others, I wrote it out entirely. I have it in PDF format and would be willing to share it with anyone who is interested. If you would like a copy, please respond to me privately so that we don't clog the email list. Hope this is helpful, Jill Crandell

I really had a surprise yesterday. I helped one of our staff members at Ogden FHC sign up for NFS. We have just been given access, but I have had access for over a year. When he looked at his own record, he was shocked to find out that he was in the system twice, once as a live member and once (I presume as deceased; as his name was not in italics). There was no death date showing, and he was even more shocked to find out that someone whose code name he did not recognize had done his baptism; and his endowment was "in progress" even though he had done his own work years ago. This gentleman was in his mid 70's. Of course, we sent it on to through feedback for help from the programmers. Does anyone know if they can contact the person who is doing this and cancel the card that is made out? To me it really points out the importance of following the 95/110 rules we have been talking about and making sure to teach our people that when we do descendency research that we are careful about these rules. Doris Bateman

We don't share e-mail addresses with anyone. Frances FH Consultant Area Support Missionary -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B. Jackson Sent: June 18, 2009 9:10 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] For the folks at NFS Only thing is if they share our email addresses we may all get even more junk mail than we do now! Barbi ----- Original Message ----- From: Paula Goodfellow To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] For the folks at NFS I sent four two nights ago, and haven't heard back from any. Of course it's summer, so some might be traveling. Paula On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:44 PM, DC & Alice Allen wrote: > Now if there were only a way to get them to ANSWER those > emails............... > > While it seems that most of the ones I want to contact are in Utah & > Idaho and not rolled out yet, once in a while I find someone who has > an email contact. But I've only been successful in getting an > answer out of one person. > > I've only been contacted about twice, but made sure to answer. > > Alice > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 6/17/2009 at 10:59 PM JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > > <snip> >> >> So...NFS folks...please REQUIRE an email or snail mail in order to >> register >> so we can get in touch with one another !! :-) >> >> Michele > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would leave the pedigree chart as it stands with the ordinances on it. It's a personal call. If his dad rejoins the church during his life time, his baptism date will be restored to the original date anyway. No need for embarrassment, let the young missionary be proud. No need for any explanation then either. Your heart is in the right place. Christine Las Vegas, Nevada, USA > From: grdavis@centurytel.net > To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:32:26 -0700 > Subject: [LDS-WC] Pedigree Chart Information > > I am helping a young man in our ward put together a pedigree chart prior to leaving on a mission in July. His parents were married in the temple and he was BIC. All the work is done on both sides for his ancestors. However, his father has recently been excommunicated from the church. > > On the pedigree chart, should I leave the ordinances blank for his father or include them? I realize he is currently a non-member, but if I leave the ordinance information off it will appear as if the son is not sealed to his parents and they did not have a temple marriage. How does this affect the mother's temple sealing to her husband and the childrens' sealings to her? Also, will this pedigree chart without ordinances showing result in embarrassment for the young missionary? > > What is the proper thing to do in this situation? Thx. > > Gay Davis > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing™ now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1

I sent four two nights ago, and haven't heard back from any. Of course it's summer, so some might be traveling. Paula On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:44 PM, DC & Alice Allen wrote: > Now if there were only a way to get them to ANSWER those > emails............... > > While it seems that most of the ones I want to contact are in Utah & > Idaho and not rolled out yet, once in a while I find someone who has > an email contact. But I've only been successful in getting an > answer out of one person. > > I've only been contacted about twice, but made sure to answer. > > Alice > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 6/17/2009 at 10:59 PM JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > > <snip> >> >> So...NFS folks...please REQUIRE an email or snail mail in order to >> register >> so we can get in touch with one another !! :-) >> >> Michele > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

S Morgan wrote "As we anticipated the crowds rushing in to learn this new program, we became nervous about learning it well enough ourselves. No need to fear; not one person showed up on our Family History Center doorstep, or called when nFS was released to everyone in the stake! Gradually . . ." Sherry, are you sure you're from Washington? It sounds like you might be a Hoosier over here in my little corner of the world in Indiana. Anyway, the familiarity you expressed made me smile while burning the midnight oil. Thanks, Joan ____________________________________________________________ Learning Centers - Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTKNdSGwGW0xoVfAAW89T0veAXON6qRXz54sJVbQL3sKNPw7mG2G6s/

Michele wrote: How many of you temple workers have had a card go through endowment only to realize (in spite of all the checking) that the initiatory wasn't done? At our meeting Saturday morning, before our shift at the Mesa Temple, we were told that three cards just in one week got all the way to the veil without the initiatory being done, despite the amount of times it was suppose to have been checked. I personally have caught at least one that did not have the initiatory done and brought it to the patrons' attention. Amy Griffin

Now if there were only a way to get them to ANSWER those emails............... While it seems that most of the ones I want to contact are in Utah & Idaho and not rolled out yet, once in a while I find someone who has an email contact. But I've only been successful in getting an answer out of one person. I've only been contacted about twice, but made sure to answer. Alice *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/17/2009 at 10:59 PM JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: <snip> > >So...NFS folks...please REQUIRE an email or snail mail in order to >register > so we can get in touch with one another !! :-) > >Michele

I am helping a young man in our ward put together a pedigree chart prior to leaving on a mission in July. His parents were married in the temple and he was BIC. All the work is done on both sides for his ancestors. However, his father has recently been excommunicated from the church. On the pedigree chart, should I leave the ordinances blank for his father or include them? I realize he is currently a non-member, but if I leave the ordinance information off it will appear as if the son is not sealed to his parents and they did not have a temple marriage. How does this affect the mother's temple sealing to her husband and the childrens' sealings to her? Also, will this pedigree chart without ordinances showing result in embarrassment for the young missionary? What is the proper thing to do in this situation? Thx. Gay Davis

Depends on where you live....if you Temple uses NewFamily Search or TempleReady. But, even our NFS temple expects us to prepare ordinance cards for people on the same family group sheet as an individual receiving ordinances....so you can assume that you will be preparing an ordinance card for the brother. Michele In a message dated 6/17/2009 8:12:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, susanne@katskraft.com writes: ----- Original Message ----- From: susanne@katskraft.com To: www.lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Cc: susanne@katskraft.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:52 PM Subject: Question... It has been a while that I have helped prepare someone to get their own ordinance work done in the Temple. This sister is going to get her ordinance work on June 30. She has a son who wishes to take his deceased brother's name to get his work done at the same time. What is the current procedures to take to make this all come together? Thanks, Susanne Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222865043x1201494942/aol?redir=http:%2F%2F ad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215692145%3B38015538%3Bh)

Photo album is a great idea. I use a check organizer (About $4 at Staples or Office Depot). I can make section for Baptisms, Initiatories, Endowments, Sealings...and have pockets for males and females. Holds more names...easy to advance the names. Michele In a message dated 6/17/2009 8:01:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Sahara346@aol.com writes: Yes, it can get confusing when I see stuff that I don't have the slips for and I wonder how I lost them. (I put all my slips in a small photo album (1 picture slid in to a page on each side type), and I have the slips divided into what needs to be done: baptism, initiatory, endowment, sealing, needs somebody else's work completed before sealing and done. It works very well, fits in the pocket of my dress, and as a Temple worker, I can pull out what I need to if I am assigned to be a patron for something. I think the photo album was a dollar at walmart so most people could afford to do something like that if they wanted to, and I took the pictures they had in out, and have debated putting either a picture of the Savior or the Winter Quarters Temple in their place. So my slips are pretty well organized as far as that part goes. The ones that show up are apparently the ones that I sent to Temple file and they do get done, but not always fast (although some get done faster than the ones I'm working on). Karen In a message dated 6/17/2009 2:13:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sjkelsey@msn.com writes: It also seems to me that it would be very useful to have "in progress" indicate "in progress by temple" Ro "in progress by me" At least that way I can see if I have the cards I am supposed To and am getting the work done. Do others have the same problems? Steve Kelsey Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222865043x1201494942/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2F ad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215692145%3B38015538%3Bh) Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222865043x1201494942/aol?redir=http:%2F%2F ad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215692145%3B38015538%3Bh)

Yes, it can get confusing when I see stuff that I don't have the slips for and I wonder how I lost them. (I put all my slips in a small photo album (1 picture slid in to a page on each side type), and I have the slips divided into what needs to be done: baptism, initiatory, endowment, sealing, needs somebody else's work completed before sealing and done. It works very well, fits in the pocket of my dress, and as a Temple worker, I can pull out what I need to if I am assigned to be a patron for something. I think the photo album was a dollar at walmart so most people could afford to do something like that if they wanted to, and I took the pictures they had in out, and have debated putting either a picture of the Savior or the Winter Quarters Temple in their place. So my slips are pretty well organized as far as that part goes. The ones that show up are apparently the ones that I sent to Temple file and they do get done, but not always fast (although some get done faster than the ones I'm working on). Karen In a message dated 6/17/2009 2:13:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sjkelsey@msn.com writes: It also seems to me that it would be very useful to have "in progress" indicate "in progress by temple" Ro "in progress by me" At least that way I can see if I have the cards I am supposed To and am getting the work done. Do others have the same problems? Steve Kelsey Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222865043x1201494942/aol?redir=http:%2F%2F ad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215692145%3B38015538%3Bh)

It would be a legitimate request when individuals initially register for NFS and submit names that they be REQUIRED to give either an email or snail mail address. I remember when I first registered I chose not to give my email address. I subsequently found it a good idea to do so. If privacy is a concern, then the person can ask for it to be "hidden" and visible only to NFS officials, but at least we could get in touch with one another! I think many of us have had legitimate reasons to contact others who have submitted work or totally messed up pedigrees. In spite of the fact you can "have it you way" when it comes to how you see your pedigree, my families have all sorts of disputes on them because someone disputed a grandmother. Some people initially just disputed instead of combining. Further, there is one woman who messed up a well-researched (generally non-member) line. She insisted her guy belonged in the family and was actually the same person as our guy. Dozens of primary source documents attest to the fact that she is in error. Her source..."a book".... I cannot get her to fix it...she refuses. It's a mess. So...NFS folks...please REQUIRE an email or snail mail in order to register so we can get in touch with one another !! :-) Michele **************Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222865043x1201494942/aol?redir=http:%2F%2F ad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215692145%3B38015538%3Bh)

In this case, my friend has birth and death dates and places for both events and they are in place on NFS. Whoever submitted the info gave the grandmother's surname as the adopted name, not the birth name, so they don't know as much as she does about the family. That's not the hold up. There does seem to be a holdup in that Church Membership office doesn't recognize the name as anybody in their records. So how it got reserved and by whom remains a mystery now for over a year. It sure reminds me to only reserve for myself & my family what we can reasonably do in a given period of time, so that if there's somebody out there concerned about somebody on my reserved list, they can see progress, even if not as fast as they might personally like. Karen In a message dated 6/17/2009 1:22:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jncrandell@broadweave.net writes: By the way, the reason I'm asking if this JSBerry could be someone who is not yet on the system is because there are things in my reserved file that would cause many of you to misjudge me with the same judgments being passed on this person. I am on the system, but things were put in my reserved list that I didn't put there from earlier TempleReady submissions. They are people whose information is not complete enough to do the work, yet they are in my file. There they sit, with no way to get rid of them other than to do the work or release it to the temple to do the work. They aren't ready to be done, so it has been "two years" that they have been reserved with "nothing happening." The difference on this one is that my contact information is there. If this person isn't on the system yet, they haven't had a chance to claim their submissions and provide contact information. They may not even know that these are in their holding file if the names came from an earlier TempleReady submission. They could also be ordinances that have been completed, but something happened on the recording. This person may believe that they are all done, but without seeing that they are still reserved, they wouldn't know yet to resolve the issue. I can think of all kinds of scenarios that this person could be totally innocent of "sitting on names," when that may not be what is actually happening. We're still in transition folks. I plead for patience with others, because I need people to have patience with me as well! :-) Have a good day, Jill Crandell Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222865043x1201494942/aol?redir=http:%2F%2F ad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215692145%3B38015538%3Bh)

As always we can count on Jill Crandell to put thing in proper perspective. Thank you, Jill. There are many of us out here who have not had access to nFS and had no way of knowing about the "messes" created - some by us, some by others. However, I don't believe many people would be guilty of doing the wrong thing intentionally. Yes, I know about those who have come to the FHC's over the years insisting they want to do Grandma's work even though it has been done but, please, they were in the minority. It's been nine years now that consultants have been trying to convince members to check the on-line IGI for work done after the last TR update back in 2000. Did everyone do it? Of course not but, again, they were in the minority. I promise to be patient with you if you will promise to respond to my notes in nFS asking for evidence that shows why I need to change my information. Deal? Beverly > > We're still in transition folks. I plead for patience with others, because > I > need people to have patience with me as well! :-) > > Have a good day, > Jill Crandell > > > > -- Mailto:fls1ldy@cableone.net Families are Forever!

We have no idea from what we've been able to figure out. The membership office doesn't have a clue as to who it is, or says they don't. And in the meantime, they've got the names held up (and it isn't just her grandparents, but others as well. Karen In a message dated 6/17/2009 12:04:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jncrandell@broadweave.net writes: Karen wrote: My friend even wrote to the membership office in Salt Lake to try to forward a letter to whoever this JSBerry is, and they couldn't help figure out who it is. Karen, I remember this conversation from earlier, but I can't remember the details. Is this a person who is on the NFS system and there is no contact information available? Or, is this someone who could be in Utah or Idaho who doesn't have access to the system yet? Jill Crandell Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222865043x1201494942/aol?redir=http:%2F%2F ad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215692145%3B38015538%3Bh)

I found one such card when it was returned to me as done. Inspection for the red marks, uncovered one card without even the date, sent it right back to Temple to have it done without delay. David amy griffin wrote: > Michele wrote: > > How many of you temple workers have had a card go through endowment only to > realize (in spite of all the checking) that the initiatory wasn't done? > > > > At our meeting Saturday morning, before our shift at the Mesa Temple, we were told that three cards just in one week got all the way to the veil without the initiatory being done, despite the amount of times it was suppose to have been checked. I personally have caught at least one that did not have the initiatory done and brought it to the patrons' attention. > > Amy Griffin > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >