_www.omahamarriages.wordpress.com_ (http://www.omahamarriages.wordpress.com) (It's a work in progress, for sure, but we've got over 100,000 references.) Karen In a message dated 6/23/2009 3:19:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mscscott28@yahoo.com writes: Do any of you have favorite websites which you use for researching marriages? I am working on my newsletter for my ward here in Michigan. It will have a marriage and sealing theme. I thought I would add a column of FREE website links which are excellent for searching marriages. (My goal is to encourage the ward members to know how much research they can actually do at home in their fuzzy slippers.) For instance, here are some of the websites I have thought of so far. New FamilySearch http://new.familysearch.org Western States Marriages http://abish.byui.edu/specialCollections/westernStates/search.cfm Marriages in the Netherlands www.GenLias.nl Record Search Pilot at FamilySearch http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, 1763–1900 http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/marriage.html For instance, here are some of the websites I have thought of so far. Thanks for your help. I appreciate it very much. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple District Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377052x1201454391/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62)

For the person who was looking for resources for ward members......this is a great bibliography. >From Family Tree Magazine: _Click here: Genealogy Blog - Family Tree Magazine: 101 Best Web Sites 2009 - GeneaNet_ (http://genealogyblog.geneanet.org/index.php/post/2009/06/Family-Tree-Magazine:-101-Best-Web-Sites-2009.html) _http://genealogyblog.geneanet.org/index.php/post/2009/06/Family-Tree-Magazi ne%3A-101-Best-Web-Sites-2009.html_ (http://genealogyblog.geneanet.org/index.php/post/2009/06/Family-Tree-Magazine:-101-Best-Web-Sites-2009.html) For death records..this lists all the online resources: _http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/deathrecords.html_ (http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/deathrecords.html) For births and marriages: _http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/vitalrecords.html_ (http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/vitalrecords.html) Hope this helps :-) Michele **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377052x1201454391/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62)

Thank you Kathy. In our Family History Centre it is about the same with nonmembers using it much more than members. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Taylor" <kathycat6@gmail.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] How many members do genealogy > Jean, > Art Johnson said in a monthly missionary meeting regarding new > FamilySearch > that 3% of members were doing family history. Then when nFS came out in > St > Louis he said that 10% of that temple district were doing it. > > In our family history center, 85% of the patrons were not members of the > church. > > Hope that helps. > > Kathy > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Jean Weber <mjquilts@shaw.ca> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> I am giving a talk on Sunday and would like to know if anyone knows just >> what percentage of members are doing family history work. I have heard it >> is >> about 4%. Does anyone know? I wonder how many nonmembers research their >> families. >> >> If anyone can help thanks. >> >> Jean >> >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 3998 (20090409) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

Jean, Art Johnson said in a monthly missionary meeting regarding new FamilySearch that 3% of members were doing family history. Then when nFS came out in St Louis he said that 10% of that temple district were doing it. In our family history center, 85% of the patrons were not members of the church. Hope that helps. Kathy On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Jean Weber <mjquilts@shaw.ca> wrote: > Hi > > I am giving a talk on Sunday and would like to know if anyone knows just > what percentage of members are doing family history work. I have heard it is > about 4%. Does anyone know? I wonder how many nonmembers research their > families. > > If anyone can help thanks. > > Jean > >

Hi I am giving a talk on Sunday and would like to know if anyone knows just what percentage of members are doing family history work. I have heard it is about 4%. Does anyone know? I wonder how many nonmembers research their families. If anyone can help thanks. Jean

For England you can try freereg. You can find the url on Cyndi's List. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <mscscott28@yahoo.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 12:52 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] Suggestions for marriage websites > Do any of you have favorite websites which you use for researching > marriages? > > I am working on my newsletter for my ward here in Michigan. It will have a > marriage and sealing theme. > > I thought I would add a column of FREE website links which are excellent > for searching marriages. (My goal is to encourage the ward members to know > how much research they can actually do at home in their fuzzy slippers.) > > For instance, here are some of the websites I have thought of so far. > > > New FamilySearch > http://new.familysearch.org > > Western States Marriages > http://abish.byui.edu/specialCollections/westernStates/search.cfm > > Marriages in the Netherlands > www.GenLias.nl > > Record Search Pilot at FamilySearch > http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start > > Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, 1763–1900 > http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/marriage.html > > > For instance, here are some of the websites I have thought of so far. > > Thanks for your help. I appreciate it very much. > > Mary Scott > Northville Ward > Westland Michigan Stake > > Detroit Michigan Temple District > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary, You might include: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Civil Registration index of births, marriages and deaths for England and Wales http://www.genwed.com/ marriage records online for the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom. And of course: http://www.vitalrec.com/ Kathy On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Mary S. Scott (Michigan) < mscscott28@yahoo.com> wrote: > Do any of you have favorite websites which you use for researching > marriages? > >

Do any of you have favorite websites which you use for researching marriages?   I am working on my newsletter for my ward here in Michigan. It will have a marriage and sealing theme.   I thought I would add a column of FREE website links which are excellent for searching marriages. (My goal is to encourage the ward members to know how much research they can actually do at home in their fuzzy slippers.)   For instance, here are some of the websites I have thought of so far.     New FamilySearch http://new.familysearch.org   Western States Marriages http://abish.byui.edu/specialCollections/westernStates/search.cfm   Marriages in the Netherlands www.GenLias.nl   Record Search Pilot at FamilySearch http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start   Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, 1763–1900 http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/marriage.html     For instance, here are some of the websites I have thought of so far.   Thanks for your help. I appreciate it very much.   Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake   Detroit Michigan Temple District

now that summer is getting to the midpoint? We just got out of school last week in California!!! And June gloom hasn't even gone. First day of actual "summer" was last week. We're just getting started!! :-) Michele **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823273x1201398689/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62)

Have any of you heard any more about it than the Email that came out from Family Search Support? Or do you know where we can get more information on it, now that summer is getting to the midpoint? Karen **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823273x1201398689/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62)

The words had to be in that language to be accepted as such. These children already have all and more unique identifications (full name of father, full name of mother, full date of birth, full date of death, full name of birthplace, full name of death place and the birth and death records were very specific.) So unique there can be no mistakes herein. But the nFS rejected son and daughter, do not recognize mister or miss because they're not in German! It has to be sohn and tochter to be accepted for sealings. This is what in phone call from headquarters. Duh! David Samuelsen > It is my opinion that one of the main points of the resolution links below > is UNLESS THE PERSON IS OTHERWISE UNIQUELY IDENTIFIED and the source given > is THE FIRST PRESIDENCY. > > The resolution states: "It is the decision of the First Presidency that > ordinances are not valid if the given name of the person is not known, > unless the person is otherwise uniquely identified." > > Now that we are able to link individuals to each other when submitting for > temple work, we may be able to establish a son, daughter, Miss, Mister or > Mrs. as unique person if we are not able to find the given name in our > research. This should not make us lazy in our research but only used if > after reasonable effort has been made to find the given name and the given > name cannot be found. > > I believe that guideline is still trying to say that these are not valid > given names AND without a father or family that will uniquely identify > them > that we can only use given names. > > It is my opinion, but I could be wrong, that when Bro. Samuelson changed > the > son and daughter to sohn and tochter for German records that the computer > believed these were proper given names and accepted them as such. I do > not > think that the program was smart enough to realize that it was simply son > and daughter in German. > > Nancy Scott > Cincinnati, Ohio > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of amy griffin > Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:58 PM > To: LDS Ward Consultants > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] References for un-named children AND un-named > wives/mothers > > > I reviewed the links below and was astonished at what I read in the first > one. It states two different things. First it states that unnamed children > should be referred to as "Son" or "Daughter". Then, in Implemented Rules > #5 > below that, it states that the new FamilySearch checks for valid names if > it > is a single name. "Son" and "Daughter" are not valid names. No. 6 states > that it checks for a relationship description in the surname. Again, it > states (again) that "Son" and "Daughter" are invalid. > > I also spoke to the recorder at the Mesa Temple where we work. He showed > me > what it states in "A Member's Guide to Temple and Family History Work" > page > 10. It states there that if a wife's given and maiden names are not known > to > write "Mrs." plus the husband's name. When a child's name is not known, > record the child's sex and the father's surname. Descriptions are NEVER > used > as part of a person's name. The recorder was shocked that some insist on > using "Son" or "Daughter". He also stated that in these cases they should > be > referred to as "Miss" or "Mister". I also asked, to clarify, if this was > Mesa Temple policy or Church policy. Since it is in the above referenced > guide it is Church, worldwide, policy. > > Amy Griffin > Paulden Ward > Prescott Stake > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:59:48 -0600 >> From: dsam52@sampubco.com >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [LDS-WC] References for un-named children AND un-named > wives/mothers >> >> https://help.familysearch.org/publishing/781/106565_f.SAL_Member.html >> https://help.familysearch.org/publishing/170/100380_f.SAL_Member.html >> >> These are for those submissions with no names, or no given names. >> >> These were referred to by support in my case of several un-named infants >> who died before they had Catholic rites of baptisms giving them the >> names. >> >> The references failed in my case because all of my entries exceeded the >> requirements. >> >> The support called me this morning to give me good news, whatever was >> blocking the submissions were cleared to allow the submissions for > sealings. >> >> W. David Samuelsen >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sahara346@aol.com wrote: > Have any of you heard any more about it than the Email that came out from > Family Search Support? Or do you know where we can get more information on > it, now that summer is getting to the midpoint? > > Karen It says so right in the announcement: Quote: The program materials are available online at wiki.familysearch.org listed under Activities for Youth. -- Groetjes Peter http://familyrecordfinder.com/ A Balanced diet is chocolate in both hands

Or as near as they understand to read what is written. Most of our officiators aren't linguists, and I've heard them make a hash of names that I recognize as something different from knowing the language it came from...as in German using the sound of the second vowel when two vowels show up together. And if a person doesn't know German, they won't know that and may say it wrong. As I was told after the sealer made a hash of my Dad's middle name, insisting on calling him Bryan instead of Byron, it's what's on the paperwork that counts. So we must continue to teach our people to be thorough, but reasonable in their searches. Praying helps in finding more complete information, though it doesn't always happen immediately--as it may be a trial of our faith and perseverance in our part of the work. And if something doesn't show up after checking for several possible record sources, go with what we've got, even if it isn't perfect. They weren't perfect either, and they'll understand. Or, for that matter, I suppose we can always ask in our prayers to have the individual in question help us FIND the right records we need, since they were the one that hid them in the first place. Karen In a message dated 6/22/2009 2:40:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dcaallen@pacifier.com writes: Could it be that while nFS will accept "Son" or "Daughter," when doing the actual ordinances, "Son" or "Daughter" will NOT be used, but whatever is designated to take the place of these nFS terms? I think I already mentioned this before, but a couple of weeks ago when we were doing sealings, there was one name that the officiator spelled out, and that was because the submission did not have a full name. It was something like "....fred Chas." The officiator took the time to explain that the dots before "fred" indicated the name might not be complete, and the "Chas" could have been for "Charles" or another name, so rather than assume something that might not be true, they were instructed to spell out the name in such cases. The last name was said as written on the ordinance sheet. Alice Allen Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant Vancouver WA Stake Portland OR Temple District *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/22/2009 at 12:47 PM JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: >They need to compare this to the Temple Handbook. We were just >instructed >(again ) on this two weeks ago and the Temple President read from his >Handbook. No use of "Son" or "Daughter" is allowed in ordinance work. > >"Family Search Support" needs to talk to the Temple Committee (are you >guys > reading this???) :-) > >Michele > > >In a message dated 6/22/2009 9:34:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >mscscott28@yahoo.com writes: > >Last week I wrote FamilySearch Support on the matter of the "son" and >"daughter" being used in New FamilySearch. > >It is now the accepted policy to use "son" or "daughter" when submitting >a >child who did not receive a given name before they died. > >I asked if the term had to be in English. They replied: "no, different >users can use the term from their own language." > >**************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy >Steps! >(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823273x1201398689/aol?redir=ht tp://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun >eExcfooterNO62) > >Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823273x1201398689/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62)

In such a case of having local Temple leaders call Salt Lake for clarification, make sure you allow some time to get the answers back (in other words, don't necessarily plan on doing the work that day pehaps?). Their office may well be closed by the time we get to the Temple with our questions, or very near closing, depending on where we live, so that the answers may not always be as immediate when we'd like them to be. Karen **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823273x1201398689/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62)

They need to compare this to the Temple Handbook. We were just instructed (again ) on this two weeks ago and the Temple President read from his Handbook. No use of "Son" or "Daughter" is allowed in ordinance work. "Family Search Support" needs to talk to the Temple Committee (are you guys reading this???) :-) Michele In a message dated 6/22/2009 9:34:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mscscott28@yahoo.com writes: Last week I wrote FamilySearch Support on the matter of the "son" and "daughter" being used in New FamilySearch. It is now the accepted policy to use "son" or "daughter" when submitting a child who did not receive a given name before they died. I asked if the term had to be in English. They replied: "no, different users can use the term from their own language." **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823273x1201398689/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62)

Yes, there may be two sets of guidelines in process. This issue can cause a lot of situations which may be stressful for all of us. As for children who died without given names, New FamilySearch does not add "Miss" or "Mr" to a surname as was done at the temples with TempleReady. (A couple of weeks ago, I proposed that NFS did add "Miss" and "Mr" but discovered that the explanation is on the website for unnamed children. Some of you were kind enough to document where the information was on the website.) Bear with me if it seems I digress for a moment. I remember when the Scouting handbook was over 10 years old and really not helpful. We asked regularly when there would be a new Scouting handbook and were told that the Church was creating a general handbook which included all the smaller handbooks. So there would be no new scouting handbook published at that time. Many of us involved with scouting waited a long time for the book to come out. We had to use bulletins and all sorts of other information to have the most current resources. We depended on stake leaders (Stake Presidency, Stake Young Men Presidency, Stake Primary Presidency, etc.) to know what was happening. People would have to ask the scouting department of the Church a lot of questions because of the conflicts. It was such a relief when the new handbooks all came out under the umbrella of the priesthood manuals. Back to family history.  Since the Church authorizes the New FamilySearch as the acceptable process for clearing temple ordinances, then we need to accept the manuals, overviews, and handbooks on the website. The information can change quickly and be posted on the website.  (This is not true of publications of handbooks.) There is an immediacy in the NFS Help Center which some may find interesting and helpful but others will find frustrating. Consultants for the most part do not have access to the main priesthood manual for the Temples. We just don't see it -- ever. We would have to ask a recorder or a temple presidency member to look something up for us. (There are a few of you on our consultant email list who are exceptions but you truly are the exceptions.) Sometimes information is also interpreted differently by various priesthood leaders. This can also cause confusion.  Consultants will find it difficult to do their callings if they have to read all the guidelines on New FamilySearch (plus the NFS manual and the Members Guide) and then have to go to the temple presidents or other priesthood leaders for further enlightenment. Family History is hard enough without throwing obstacles in the way for every consultant and member. Obstacles hamper the work and dampen the enthusiasm. We believe that our Church is based on revelation so policies and guidelines change -- sometimes dramatically and sometimes very quickly. This is why I believe we have to follow the guidelines, etc. on the website for New FamilySearch. We can't be hanging on to obsolete rules or traditions. If the Church now wants us to use "son" and "daughter" that should be good enough for all of us.  If necessary, we can take a printout to the temple when we turn in children with "son" and "daughter" in place of their given names. When the temple has a question about our submission, the staff can read our printout and then they can call the Temple Department for clarification. Temple leaders seem to have a fast track to access with the Temple Department. I am sorry if I sound passionate but I believe in using the most current information. Surely New FamilySearch's Help Center is the most current resource for family history consultants. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake P.S. By the way, on the Dutch website, GenLias, unnamed children are marked "NN" for "no name". I prefer son and daughter over being named "NN".

Could it be that while nFS will accept "Son" or "Daughter," when doing the actual ordinances, "Son" or "Daughter" will NOT be used, but whatever is designated to take the place of these nFS terms? I think I already mentioned this before, but a couple of weeks ago when we were doing sealings, there was one name that the officiator spelled out, and that was because the submission did not have a full name. It was something like "....fred Chas." The officiator took the time to explain that the dots before "fred" indicated the name might not be complete, and the "Chas" could have been for "Charles" or another name, so rather than assume something that might not be true, they were instructed to spell out the name in such cases. The last name was said as written on the ordinance sheet. Alice Allen Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant Vancouver WA Stake Portland OR Temple District *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/22/2009 at 12:47 PM JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: >They need to compare this to the Temple Handbook. We were just >instructed >(again ) on this two weeks ago and the Temple President read from his >Handbook. No use of "Son" or "Daughter" is allowed in ordinance work. > >"Family Search Support" needs to talk to the Temple Committee (are you >guys > reading this???) :-) > >Michele > > >In a message dated 6/22/2009 9:34:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >mscscott28@yahoo.com writes: > >Last week I wrote FamilySearch Support on the matter of the "son" and >"daughter" being used in New FamilySearch. > >It is now the accepted policy to use "son" or "daughter" when submitting >a >child who did not receive a given name before they died. > >I asked if the term had to be in English. They replied: "no, different >users can use the term from their own language." > >**************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy >Steps! >(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823273x1201398689/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun >eExcfooterNO62) > >Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Last week I wrote FamilySearch Support on the matter of the "son" and "daughter" being used in New FamilySearch.   It is now the accepted policy to use "son" or "daughter" when submitting a child who did not receive a given name before they died.   I asked if the term had to be in English. They replied: "no, different users can use the term from their own language."   Apparently the program does recognize the terms in other languages.   So when Br. Samuelson used the sohn and tochter in German, the system recognized those terms as appropriate.   Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake   Detroit Michigan Temple District

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It is my opinion that one of the main points of the resolution links below is UNLESS THE PERSON IS OTHERWISE UNIQUELY IDENTIFIED and the source given is THE FIRST PRESIDENCY. The resolution states: "It is the decision of the First Presidency that ordinances are not valid if the given name of the person is not known, unless the person is otherwise uniquely identified." Now that we are able to link individuals to each other when submitting for temple work, we may be able to establish a son, daughter, Miss, Mister or Mrs. as unique person if we are not able to find the given name in our research. This should not make us lazy in our research but only used if after reasonable effort has been made to find the given name and the given name cannot be found. I believe that guideline is still trying to say that these are not valid given names AND without a father or family that will uniquely identify them that we can only use given names. It is my opinion, but I could be wrong, that when Bro. Samuelson changed the son and daughter to sohn and tochter for German records that the computer believed these were proper given names and accepted them as such. I do not think that the program was smart enough to realize that it was simply son and daughter in German. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of amy griffin Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:58 PM To: LDS Ward Consultants Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] References for un-named children AND un-named wives/mothers I reviewed the links below and was astonished at what I read in the first one. It states two different things. First it states that unnamed children should be referred to as "Son" or "Daughter". Then, in Implemented Rules #5 below that, it states that the new FamilySearch checks for valid names if it is a single name. "Son" and "Daughter" are not valid names. No. 6 states that it checks for a relationship description in the surname. Again, it states (again) that "Son" and "Daughter" are invalid. I also spoke to the recorder at the Mesa Temple where we work. He showed me what it states in "A Member's Guide to Temple and Family History Work" page 10. It states there that if a wife's given and maiden names are not known to write "Mrs." plus the husband's name. When a child's name is not known, record the child's sex and the father's surname. Descriptions are NEVER used as part of a person's name. The recorder was shocked that some insist on using "Son" or "Daughter". He also stated that in these cases they should be referred to as "Miss" or "Mister". I also asked, to clarify, if this was Mesa Temple policy or Church policy. Since it is in the above referenced guide it is Church, worldwide, policy. Amy Griffin Paulden Ward Prescott Stake > Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:59:48 -0600 > From: dsam52@sampubco.com > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDS-WC] References for un-named children AND un-named wives/mothers > > https://help.familysearch.org/publishing/781/106565_f.SAL_Member.html > https://help.familysearch.org/publishing/170/100380_f.SAL_Member.html > > These are for those submissions with no names, or no given names. > > These were referred to by support in my case of several un-named infants > who died before they had Catholic rites of baptisms giving them the names. > > The references failed in my case because all of my entries exceeded the > requirements. > > The support called me this morning to give me good news, whatever was > blocking the submissions were cleared to allow the submissions for sealings. > > W. David Samuelsen > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message