Does anyone know what the status is for names submitted a long time ago that were sent to Salt Lake and put in the big computer file in the sky? I submitted names to the temple to be done before conversion to the "family file" method many years ago. They were never done and when I inquired a few years later about it, I was told that all names not done by the time of the conversion were sent to Salt Lake and they held them in a large reserve file. This happened again when we changed to nfs and again, I was not told that these names were sent to Salt Lake. In talking to Salt Lake, I was told that there was no way for me to retrieve my names as they did not have them indexed and that it might be years before the names would be released to temples. I finally did find a way to reprint 200 names and get them done and Salt Lake may have deleted them from their computer file. It has been difficult for me to identify which names were sent as there was no notification given me that the temple would no longer be doing them and that there were sent to Salt Lake. What will happen to these names if there is a five-year procedure instituted? I imagine many of these names were submitted by people who are now deceased and there is a chance that they will not be re-submitted by others. Any information about the future disposition of the names in the Salt Lake file would be appreciated. Also, we are in the Seattle Temple district and our ward has received no letter from the temple president giving any instructions about submission of names. Thx Gay Davis

In every case in my corner, every possible duplicate have already been checked and accounted for. In almost every instance it is baptism and confirmation done but not the initiatory and endownment and it jump to sealings to parents and spouses already done. So it is not just temple submission. The difference can be spotted easily - it's the patron or it's the temple file which is usually "FamilySearch Extraction" or "LDS Extraction". LDS Extraction is older name and this one requires contacting the headquarters for release to family. Newer ones are easy to claim right away without having to contact headquarters. David Samuelsen On 12/25/2011 9:08 PM, Jerry Cowley wrote: > If those temple-assigned ordinances appear to be languishing, it pays to > copy and paste the PID back into the "Search by Number" field. Sometimes > the name simply needs to be combined with other files to take care of the > situation. Or, if some long-ago friend has lost a card, we can reprint for > ourselves or even unreserve it so others have the opportunity. Later, even > if that friend finds a card and takes it through, the scanner accepts the > card. They will not be embarrassed.

It don't have to be. Use the FORs for tracking via nFS. Each entry on the FOR has the PID. I instructed my ward to use this method and they said it was the fastest method of tracking. David S. On 12/25/2011 9:08 PM, Jerry Cowley wrote: > For suggestion 1) we can involve our family, our friends, and members of our > ward family. The further we spread the cards, however, the more card > tracking is involved.

Some goofball combined FIVE husbands of my great-great grandma into one person recently and left no clue to who the person who did the mis-merge. I had to separate them. If it wasn't for Createfan.com I wouldn't know about the problem. David Samuelsen On 12/25/2011 9:08 PM, Jerry Cowley wrote: > For example, I can use Family Insight > to bring my T/O information up to date in PAF.

Let's pool our thoughts and find suggestions for those who have large numbers of people waiting in their personal files for ordinance work. This is a unique blessing, but it carries another pressure: having found these folks, we open ourselves to their urgency. We are counseled to send no more through the T/O (temple ordinance) file than we can provide for in a month or so. We can 1) do the names ourselves or 2) submit them to the temple system. For suggestion 1) we can involve our family, our friends, and members of our ward family. The further we spread the cards, however, the more card tracking is involved. For suggestion 2) we know that ordinances done in larger batches, such as baptism, are accomplished more quickly than other, more individual ordinances. A T/O file can fill quickly. As has been suggested, we should be the first to support increased temple attendance. If those temple-assigned ordinances appear to be languishing, it pays to copy and paste the PID back into the "Search by Number" field. Sometimes the name simply needs to be combined with other files to take care of the situation. Or, if some long-ago friend has lost a card, we can reprint for ourselves or even unreserve it so others have the opportunity. Later, even if that friend finds a card and takes it through, the scanner accepts the card. They will not be embarrassed. There is a 3) way I'd like to hear feedback on. Suppose I had extra names and simply uploaded a family to nFS for extended family members to share; might that work without over-filling my T/O file? If not, they'll still be there when my T/O file is smaller. I do not own all these names. They have other progeny, even collateral progeny besides myself. Why not allow them the opportunity? I can continue the research, if that's where I'm effective, and still reach beyond my familiar circle to get the rest of the work accomplished. In the meantime, I can use a program created to coordinate with nFS to bring the names in my own file up to date. For example, I can use Family Insight to bring my T/O information up to date in PAF. Others may use RootsMagic, Legacy, Ancestral Quest, etc. to accomplish the same thing. Most programs also have a way to create a list of potential problems within a file. That's well worth checking carefully. Finally, perhaps we may leave a few well-documented names and some puzzles for our own progeny to do. My ancestors left me their work to build upon, particularly a beloved great-aunt and some distant cousins. I've been fortunate to have modern resources to solve a few riddles they left behind so the work can continue. I hope my own children, grandchildren, nieces and nephews will do the same. Jerry __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6742 (20111225) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Regarding document 109130. I worked with SL on a large number of cards that were in this category. It has been two months and none of the names have been released. Frustrating. Michele In a message dated 12/25/2011 1:56:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I came in late to this discussion and apologize if this information has already been presented. There are two cases to be considered: 1. Knowledge Document 109130 Ordinances reserved by Unknown, Extraction, or LDS Church Temple Records Some older cards were released to the temple before the new FamilySearch became available, and these cards display as reserved by "Unknown" or by "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status of the ordinance, it may be possible to release the reservation on a particular person, allowing you to reserve it and perform the ordinances. Please contact Support, and they will assist you. 2. Knowledge Document 110961 Ordinances reserved by a patron in the new FamilySearch have been in progress for a long time Patrons should only reserve as many ordinances as they can complete in a reasonable time period. Ordinances that have been reserved by another patron cannot be released regardless of the length of time they have been in progress with the following exceptions: Someone else has reserved ordinances for a close relative or family member - See 106589 Deceased or unavailable individual's temple ordinance entries are locked - See 104758 If you believe that there should be a time limit for ordinances reserved for a patron to complete, like there was in Temple Ready, send feedback. If enough of us request a time limit, it most likely will be implemented. > > On 12/24/2011 6:59 PM, Nancy Scott wrote: > > In reply to Barbi's suggestion below, I recently contacted FS support to ask > > if the file could be released so that I could proceed with his ordinances > > but they said that since there is currently no limit on the time ordinances > > are reserved that it is not possible for them to release it to me. Since it > > cannot be released to me, I do not see any way to print a card. > > > > This particular individual is Frederick David Thornton, b. 1874, in England, > > PID M1XS-D5S. I misspoke that it was only his endowment. It is his > > Initiatory and Endowment that are reserved by jastewart1985285. When you > > click on the link, a window states: "This contributor provided information > > for a project before 2007. If you are this person, you can Declare This > > Legacy Contributor as Yourself". (I do not know how to tell if this could > > be a temple file. I guess that it would possible for it to be an old temple > > file that no one has claimed.) Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Steve. Same to you. And may the new year be a happy and productive year for you and yours. Helle PS. In Denmark we celebrate Christmas on the 24th in the evening. To the best of my knowledge it is only England that celebrate on the 25th. Some celebrate on Dec. 6th I believe? And very many places like Spain they celebrate on Jan. 6th. -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] På vegne af Steve Kelsey Sendt: 25. december 2011 18:19 Til: [email protected] Emne: [LDS-WC] Christmas Merry Christmas to all. May you have a special Christmas this year celebrating the birth of Christ on Sunday. Steve Kelsey Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you soooo much!  I get really stressed sometimes at the direction some of the discussions take and I appreciate the reminder that this is The Lord's Church and the work will be done as the Lord wants it to be done.  We are only humans doing our Heavenly Father's work and humans learn by doing and sometimes making mistakes.  What may not seem right in one person's eyes, does not mean it is not right in the Lord's eyes. He has a plan and we are simply being taught by the Master.  Be patient with your fellow members, and don't criticize and find fault.  Merry Christmas Everyone! BettyJo Colbert Woodside Ward Consultant Citrus Heights, CA Stake ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Cowley" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 12:05:43 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] 5 Year Release May I make a plea to dial back this discussion?  The 5-year idea comes up occasionally and has for several years, but there are extenuating circumstances everywhere.  What might be a reasonable time in the Intermountain West would not be appropriate for Polynesia or the Amazon, for example.  When and IF any such policy is announced, it will be through the proper channels, not some well-intentioned missionary over the telephone, nor even some employee in the Church Office building elevator. As for the other situations, sometimes temples are allowed to set procedures given the circumstances for their area. Salt Lake, for example, gets a high visitor destination impact, as does Nauvoo. So they set some procedures to allow for that. Sometimes those get re-set for valid reasons.  Some temples can staff special days and others cannot.  We must be careful projecting the procedure from one temple onto another. If anyone has a concern, they can make an appointment with a member of their temple presidency, stake president, or bishop and discuss it.  But please, not here. President Hinckley often said that most things will just work out.  And they will. Jerry   __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6740 (20111224) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com   Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not only in Spain but in Latin America, January 6th is the Epiphany day of the gifts (when the Magi visit Jesus the infant), not on Dec 25th, hence 12 days. Dec 6th (WS) or Dec 19 (OS) is for St. Nicholas in those areas like, Netherlands, Belgium, Italy, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Nicholas#Saint_Nicholas_Day in Great Britain, Dec 25th is for Jesus (dinner celebration with the hats) and 26th is for exchange of gifts (hence Boxing Day, not that bloody sport). Only in USA, all these days got mishmashed into one day. David S. On 12/25/2011 11:56 AM, Helle T. Hirschmann wrote: > In Denmark we celebrate Christmas on the 24th in the evening. To the best of > my knowledge it is only England that celebrate on the 25th. > Some celebrate on Dec. 6th I believe? > And very many places like Spain they celebrate on Jan. 6th.

I came in late to this discussion and apologize if this information has already been presented. There are two cases to be considered: 1. Knowledge Document 109130 Ordinances reserved by Unknown, Extraction, or LDS Church Temple Records Some older cards were released to the temple before the new FamilySearch became available, and these cards display as reserved by "Unknown" or by "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status of the ordinance, it may be possible to release the reservation on a particular person, allowing you to reserve it and perform the ordinances. Please contact Support, and they will assist you. 2. Knowledge Document 110961 Ordinances reserved by a patron in the new FamilySearch have been in progress for a long time Patrons should only reserve as many ordinances as they can complete in a reasonable time period. Ordinances that have been reserved by another patron cannot be released regardless of the length of time they have been in progress with the following exceptions: Someone else has reserved ordinances for a close relative or family member - See 106589 Deceased or unavailable individual's temple ordinance entries are locked - See 104758 If you believe that there should be a time limit for ordinances reserved for a patron to complete, like there was in Temple Ready, send feedback. If enough of us request a time limit, it most likely will be implemented. > > On 12/24/2011 6:59 PM, Nancy Scott wrote: > > In reply to Barbi's suggestion below, I recently contacted FS support to ask > > if the file could be released so that I could proceed with his ordinances > > but they said that since there is currently no limit on the time ordinances > > are reserved that it is not possible for them to release it to me. Since it > > cannot be released to me, I do not see any way to print a card. > > > > This particular individual is Frederick David Thornton, b. 1874, in England, > > PID M1XS-D5S. I misspoke that it was only his endowment. It is his > > Initiatory and Endowment that are reserved by jastewart1985285. When you > > click on the link, a window states: "This contributor provided information > > for a project before 2007. If you are this person, you can Declare This > > Legacy Contributor as Yourself". (I do not know how to tell if this could > > be a temple file. I guess that it would possible for it to be an old temple > > file that no one has claimed.)

I served my mission in Spain 25 yrs ago . . . Christmas Eve/Day was a family day for dinners. Jan. 6 was Dia de los Reyes, or Day of the Kings when the gifts were given. We had a High Councilman from Mexico in our ward last week who gave this explanation of Christmas: mas in Spanish = more, therefore Christmas = more Christ. I never thought of that but I love it! Merry CHRISTmas! Megan Smith Las Vegas, NV -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Helle T. Hirschmann Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 10:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Christmas Thank you Steve. Same to you. And may the new year be a happy and productive year for you and yours. Helle PS. In Denmark we celebrate Christmas on the 24th in the evening. To the best of my knowledge it is only England that celebrate on the 25th. Some celebrate on Dec. 6th I believe? And very many places like Spain they celebrate on Jan. 6th. -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] På vegne af Steve Kelsey Sendt: 25. december 2011 18:19 Til: [email protected] Emne: [LDS-WC] Christmas Merry Christmas to all. May you have a special Christmas this year celebrating the birth of Christ on Sunday. Steve Kelsey Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Merry Christmas to all. May you have a special Christmas this year celebrating the birth of Christ on Sunday. Steve Kelsey

You know there could be a challenge with this. Years ago when folks left cards at the temple and assumed they would be done, they could be pretty sure that the names would eventually get done. With the bungle as NFS was introduced there are probably hundreds of thousands of names in limbo whose patrons think that the temple has completed them...they haven't made the effort to update their records and find out...and they won't recheck them. Folks should be encouraged to double check that work has been completed. I think any names not completed should just get done by the temple file. Their submitters could be dead, inactive or clueless. Michele In a message dated 12/24/2011 3:44:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: If the 5 year rule is applied then what has to happen to the 4,000+ people born before 1860 that I have on my list awaiting the temple to do the work. They are then given up as ready and one has to reserve them all over again. I think this is ridiculous---if the 5 year rule is applied ONLY to those who show that THEY THEMSELVES will be doing the work and have not that is another matter and I say fine; however the work of clearing the many names I have in my temple ordinance list listed for the temple to do is significant and the temple HAS NOT acted on them(and there are MANY from 2007 which are and have been listed for the temple to do since that time and have not been done) then I would hate to see them all of sudden become "ready" again and someone have to reserve them all over again. The selection of names by the temples to do the work should start with those which have been awaiting the temple to do for the longest period, i.e. lots from 2007 are still in my file and they are not done. Steve Kelsey. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Tippets" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple work >I would be interested in knowing how the initiatory & endowments are being > done in a timely manner, if only the baptism/confirmations and sealings > are > being submitted. In our district, they're stressing that ordinances are > supposed to be done in the proper ORDER. > > Karen > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hallelujah! I've been suggesting they put a moratorium on names for a long time. Names I submitted for temple work before NFS which were in the temple file went to Reserved by LDS Temple Records (or something like that) when the transition to NFS was made. There were hundreds and I've had to push and tug to get every one released I can't wait to finish those ordinances. I still have hundreds left. Michele In a message dated 12/24/2011 2:05:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Just last week I had one name like that - but different reason. There was one in my family whose ordinances have not been acted upon since 2007 and I had to call headquarters to get thi sone released to me so I can act on it promptly to complete the whole family's ordinances. And while I was on phone, the headquarters informed me they are making a new policy, not officially released yet, where in those cases that are FIVE years or long left in limbo, they will be released immediately on reaching 5 year mark of last ordinance. There's quite a backlog of these ones in nFS as it is. I reminded one member in my ward of the need to complete her family's ordinances timely and promptly. She had many dating back to 2006 kept in reserved list. She's on way to my house to pick up the cards now to get them done quickly with her children helping out in at least 3 different temples. (121 cards in all and more than 100 waiting for baptisms to start) Bountiful Temple's deaf session had visitors from Temple Department two weeks ago, to find ways to improve the process for the deaf patrons. David Samuelsen, Salt Lake and Bountiful Temples. On 12/24/2011 2:08 PM, Betty Jo and Don Colbert wrote: > I agree, I have found people holding my ancestors who did not even know who they were, they just had the same last name. Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

May I make a plea to dial back this discussion? The 5-year idea comes up occasionally and has for several years, but there are extenuating circumstances everywhere. What might be a reasonable time in the Intermountain West would not be appropriate for Polynesia or the Amazon, for example. When and IF any such policy is announced, it will be through the proper channels, not some well-intentioned missionary over the telephone, nor even some employee in the Church Office building elevator. As for the other situations, sometimes temples are allowed to set procedures given the circumstances for their area. Salt Lake, for example, gets a high visitor destination impact, as does Nauvoo. So they set some procedures to allow for that. Sometimes those get re-set for valid reasons. Some temples can staff special days and others cannot. We must be careful projecting the procedure from one temple onto another. If anyone has a concern, they can make an appointment with a member of their temple presidency, stake president, or bishop and discuss it. But please, not here. President Hinckley often said that most things will just work out. And they will. Jerry __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6740 (20111224) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Steve, I did exactly what you are talking about for about 120+ records for a member in my Ward who had left work to be done at the Louisville Kentucky Temple but the work showed up locked in her temple file. I copied each of the PIDs then unreserved the work and went back to rereserve the work for her searching by using the copied PID # as a paste. I even made up a pdf document of every step for the Recorder at the Columbus Ohio temple so that Patrons would know how to deal with a locked reserved file. If anyone needs to know how to do that step and wants a copy of the document, they can contact me offline at: [email protected] I am happy to say that a year later most of the work has been completed in her file. She and her husband are currently on the road and so were not able to do this for themselves. I think that we all find duplicate extraction work. I know that I do. Whenever I find it, I combine the record so that whatever is not yet will not be completed. We just need to continue to do what we can for our ancestors and for ourselves. It is not an easy task. Nancy Scott -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Kelsey Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 09:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] FW: 5 Year Release What you point out is precisely the problem!!! Many of the old items in my temple ordinance file were submitted BEFORE we were able to use nfs using temple ready. When I had printed too many cards, I took those cards to the temple and they said they would put them into the temple file to do; however, when nfs started up those cards from temple ready that the temple said they would see got done appeared in my temple ordinance file as reserved and that I had printed the cards and not done the work. I have several hundred of these. Probably the only thing to do is to release them individually, recording the numbers and then go back to the individual and reserve them again and put them into the temple file(I am all for having the 5-year release rule for people holding the cards forever and not doing the work but I am not for having the 5-year release rule for those awaiting the temple and its patrons to do their work). You can imagine the time, work and effort doing this for 200+ or so for people whose work was supposed to be done and I was assured it was being taken care of. I believe that there were considerable problems occuring when nfs started up in handling the ordinances that were in progress. In addition the ancestral file data that was merged in has caused considerable duplication problems. Also more than 50% of the duplicates I find for temple work I completed a decade ago are new extraction data which has duplicated my older work. I know I sound discouraged and I am somewhat, but I want to see us get the best, accurate database we can and I believe we are slowly (but very slowly) heading there. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Scott" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 6:59 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] FW: 5 Year Release > In reply to Barbi's suggestion below, I recently contacted FS support to > ask > if the file could be released so that I could proceed with his ordinances > but they said that since there is currently no limit on the time > ordinances > are reserved that it is not possible for them to release it to me. Since > it > cannot be released to me, I do not see any way to print a card. > > This particular individual is Frederick David Thornton, b. 1874, in > England, > PID M1XS-D5S. I misspoke that it was only his endowment. It is his > Initiatory and Endowment that are reserved by jastewart1985285. When you > click on the link, a window states: "This contributor provided > information > for a project before 2007. If you are this person, you can Declare This > Legacy Contributor as Yourself". (I do not know how to tell if this could > be a temple file. I guess that it would possible for it to be an old > temple > file that no one has claimed.) > > The Baptism and Confirmation were completed 1 March 2003 in the Cardston > Alberta Temple which makes sense as this is my husband's paternal line > that > is Canadian. I just feel for the wife since she cannot be sealed to her > spouse because his ordinances are not available to be done. > > I have to say that Mary Scott makes a good point that if we had more > Patrons > attending the temples some of the perplexity of getting the work done > could > be solved. > > Nancy Scott > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of B. Jackson > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 06:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] 5 Year Release > > Is there any chance you can print out his stuf and go get him done! > BarbiJ/Manhattan Temple District > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary - You have succinctly covered all of the issues. What I wonder about is how to encourage the men to attend the Temple - and when they do - to do 2 or more sessions. How do we mobilize them to go - often? What we have been doing is not generating a large response. We have seen stake relief society trips - often several times a year - generating bus loads of sisters and the call for all ordinance workers to attend that day to assist with the work. Our Temple opens on the "Monday" holidays - and that has generated a huge response. Members respond in force. So - opening new hours/days - demonstrates that the members want to attend and when they can - they will. So the spirit is willing and the follow through is there. We need to be creative about creating more of these opportunities - like opening on "Monday Holidays" ..... What about opening on Christmas Day (when it is not on a Sunday :) ..... July 4th; July 24th Nothing like starting new traditions :) Probably the most practical is to motivate "mini-van" loads of brethren - going weekly - to give a night of service. It's a 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 hr trip - each way - for members of our stake. So - it is clear that it has to be what is practical, possible ... one size does not fit all. Getting up and going on new days - times --- changing the pattern is needed. Tom On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Mary S. Scott (Michigan) < [email protected]> wrote: > Your insights and comments are much appreciated on the topic of temple > work, New FamilySearch, the five year mark as time to be released, etc. > > One topic no one has raised is that the backlog could be alleviated to the > satisfaction on both sides of the veil. There really is a solution. > > How? > > We need more of our members to attend the temples regularly. They need to > go to the temple as often as possible. This has been the advice of the > brethren -- to go as often as possible. > > Yes, I know that there are many members who attend the temple faithfully. > They are shining examples for the rest of us. > > Yet, for instance, there are many members who want to go to the temple but > lack transportation and they struggle with finding rides. Other ward > members attend the temple but don't think to ask others needing the > transportation if they want a ride. Home teachers and visiting teachers > could do a great service by taking members to the temple. > > Others won't go to the temple unless they can go with their spouse -- so > both spouses are not going. > > Our ward used to have monthly adult temple trips inn the evenings or on > Saturdays. We even added monthly temple trips for one of our daytime > sessions (the Detroit Temple only has four daytime sessions during the week > -- not counting Saturday). > > Our attendance is rather low now which is sad. Sometimes "life" really > gets in the way! > > When we lived in Germany, I was always impressed with the Saints in Europe > attending the temple. They went for a week at a time and used a week's > vacation to do it. The temple in Frankfurt was open on the Mondays of the > "banking holidays" in the spring and summer too. The stake assigned those > weeks had more sessions and they were usually filled. This added extra > sessions for the temple but was well worth it. > > Still there should be ways to increase temple attendance because more > ordinances could be accomplished if attendance increased. > > This is an opportunity for the priesthood in the wards and stakes to > "catch the vision" and encourage the members to attend the temple. The > Church has simplified the activities for our wards and could one reason be > because we need to go to the temples? > > It is easy to submit lists of names for temple ordinances but not so easy > to complete those ordinances. I have been submitting most of my male > names in my family file to the general temple file for at least two years. > (I know that it takes approximately two years for the endowments to be > completed because names I turned to the general temple file in 2009 are now > being done in various temples.) > > When our youth go to the temple, I usually clear some baptisms and > confirmations but turn the initiatories and endowments over to general > temple file. I struggle with sealing my families together because the > female ordinances are done but not the males. > > While I am a convert and have been blessed to submit a lot of ancestors > for temple work, I sometimes "take a break" and work on my husband's LDS > ancestry. He has a lengthy LDS heritage and a lot has been done but there > is always someone's information which needs to be cleaned up or fixed in > some way. I can research on his family and not have to worry about > submissions 95% of the time. > > Mary Scott > Northville Ward > Westland Michigan Stake > > Detroit Michigan Temple District > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

They do that in other countries. Dec 24-Dec 25, just about every temple is closed. Tokyo Temple has 12 openings on special days next year but none for Fukuoka Temple. Seoul - On Monday holidays, the temple will be open when sessions have been arranged in advance. Kyiv Ukraine, all holidays, opening using Saturday schedule Freiberg Germany have more special openings (5) than Frankfurt Germany (3) Have anyone seen the model for Calgary Alberta Temple?? Interesting design! see it at www.ldschurchtemples.com David S. On 12/24/2011 7:43 PM, Tom Kemp wrote: > What about opening on Christmas Day (when it is not on a Sunday:) ..... > July 4th; July 24th

These are showing up in nFS and in one of my ward's member, showed up in her temple reservation list. She stopped by my place this afternoon to pick up the cards from that entire batch. She couldn't wait. Her husband drove 40 minutes from her home to my place. David S. On 12/24/2011 7:15 PM, Steve Kelsey wrote: > Many of the old items in my temple ordinance file were submitted BEFORE we > were able to use nfs using temple ready.

I agree, I have found people holding my ancestors who did not even know who they were, they just had the same last name.  When I contacted them, they had forgotten even holding them and released them to me immediately so I could complete the work for the family.  I only do my own line and spouses, children  and siblings just as you are doing. My cousin has asked me to recheck our whole family to make sure we did not miss anyone.  If you are doing that and have gone as far as you can go, there is still plenty with only your line.  No need to take names out of the hat so to speak.  Sometimes you o ffend people by doing their direct line, then they can't do it themselves. Thank you for your wise words, I wish everyone would heed them. Merry Christmas, BettyJo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helle T. Hirschmann" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 1:05:55 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple work I was told years ago at the Stockholm, Sweden temple only to submit my straight line along with siblings and possibly sibling's spouses and children as family file and submit the rest as temple file. Being a convert with very little LDS ancestry still leaves me with plenty names to do and still a lot of name to supply for temple file. Helle T. Hirschmann Center director Slagelse ward Denmark Copenhagen -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] På vegne af [email protected] Sendt: 24. december 2011 07:58 Til: [email protected] Emne: Re: [LDS-WC] temple work Newport Beach said it came from Temple Department.     In a message dated 12/23/2011 9:48:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,   [email protected] writes: Is this  true for all temples or just in the Salt Lake area? Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message