I have more than 280,000 names in my old paf file all of whom are related. Only about 50% of them are completed. 100,000 names is not really very large and CAN be done. I have a second database with just William Kelsey descendants which number 170,000,many of which also do not have temple work done. Large number of names can be added to the database but it does take some work. I added every one of these names myself without using gedcoms at all. Steve Kelsey Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Samuelsen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple ordinances > Michele, > > ARE you jesting??? The database I have covers more than 10 parishes! > Orscholz, Faha, Freudenburg, Saarholzbach, Keuchingen, Mettlach, > Britten, Nohn, Dreisbach, Tunsdorf, OberTunsdorf, UnterTunsdorf, > Wehlingen, Bethingen, Besseringen, Hilbringen, Kirf, Meurich, Munzingen, > Weiten, etc. I have map showing the whole area covered in the database. > > Consider how many microfilms involved. Consider the restrictions the > Catholic Church archives in Trier placed on the microfilms for this area. > > It's easier to use this database my cousin sent me because he finecombed > births, christenings, marriages, deaths and burials and pulled all > together. > > David Samuelsen > > On 2/11/2012 3:26 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> Why don't you work with the Family Search indexing folks and have them >> double check it and get it into the system? >> >> Michele >> >> >> In a message dated 2/11/2012 11:30:01 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >>> From ONE village in Germany, I count on less than 2 hands LDS >> descendants. Image me doing more than 100,000 descendants of that >> village (I have in my possession the entire database sent to me from a >> distant cousin in Germany) >> >> Can you fathom the size of it without any help from my ward or friends. >> >> David S. > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Not jesting. If one person extracted it, they only need one more to proof it. They are doing parishes all the time. Maybe I'm thinking too big, but I thought that's what they wanted to do...index everything before they release the microfilms online. Was there any new news at Rootstech about releasing microfilms to the public online? I hope to one day help with parishes from my ancestral area in the Basque country. Michele In a message dated 2/11/2012 8:14:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Michele, ARE you jesting??? The database I have covers more than 10 parishes! Orscholz, Faha, Freudenburg, Saarholzbach, Keuchingen, Mettlach, Britten, Nohn, Dreisbach, Tunsdorf, OberTunsdorf, UnterTunsdorf, Wehlingen, Bethingen, Besseringen, Hilbringen, Kirf, Meurich, Munzingen, Weiten, etc. I have map showing the whole area covered in the database. Consider how many microfilms involved. Consider the restrictions the Catholic Church archives in Trier placed on the microfilms for this area. It's easier to use this database my cousin sent me because he finecombed births, christenings, marriages, deaths and burials and pulled all together. David Samuelsen On 2/11/2012 3:26 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Why don't you work with the Family Search indexing folks and have them > double check it and get it into the system? > > Michele > > > In a message dated 2/11/2012 11:30:01 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > >> From ONE village in Germany, I count on less than 2 hands LDS > descendants. Image me doing more than 100,000 descendants of that > village (I have in my possession the entire database sent to me from a > distant cousin in Germany) > > Can you fathom the size of it without any help from my ward or friends. > > David S. Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

your naivete is showing.... They are already phasing out extractions for Temple file. The temple file is already overflowing courtesy of the nFS. Then any new ones have to be pre-approved after negotiations with owners of records. And the ones already released into Historical Records, many of them do not have indexes at all. That takes years. W. David Samuelsen On 2/11/2012 9:25 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Not jesting. If one person extracted it, they only need one more to proof > it. They are doing parishes all the time. Maybe I'm thinking too big, > but I thought that's what they wanted to do...index everything before they > release the microfilms online.

Not allowed at our temple....only on stake temple days. Michele In a message dated 2/11/2012 6:09:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: The stakes in our temple district each have a box with a divider for each ward in that stake. Each ward is divided into places for temple cards to be filed under baptism, endowment, and sealings. Members of our stake/wards put their names needing the ordinance work in the proper place. If we don't have any of our own names to do, we look at our ward file and take a name. It works very well! Kay Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do they show up with a yellow box by the name on the pedigree? What does it say in the ordinances tab for the individual? Does it say reserved by Family Search or does it have your name? In a message dated 2/11/2012 5:52:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Jerry, I do have the cards, but last time I contacted them they didn't want me to scan and send them in. I was surprised by that, but I let it go. I've been watching for 5 years, and they still haven't shown up. I'll make contact again, but like I said, I don't think I'm the only one that looks like I'm being delinquent when that isn't the case. :o) Jill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerry Cowley Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 6:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple ordinances Jill, Do you have the cards or letters with the ordinance dates on them? If so, they can be scanned and sent in. Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Of course there is...What do you call the tab I pull down that sends all the ordinances to the general temple file from New Family Search. I think if I were in heaven and got baptized I'd want the whole package of ordinances prepared for me ( ge my initiatories, endodwment and sealing too). right away. Just sayin' Michele In a message dated 2/11/2012 5:37:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Michele, There is no separate temple file for patrons to submit names to. Patrons select a name and choose the temple to do the work or leave it for themselves. Both types reside in the patron's temple file until they are completed.

Michele, ARE you jesting??? The database I have covers more than 10 parishes! Orscholz, Faha, Freudenburg, Saarholzbach, Keuchingen, Mettlach, Britten, Nohn, Dreisbach, Tunsdorf, OberTunsdorf, UnterTunsdorf, Wehlingen, Bethingen, Besseringen, Hilbringen, Kirf, Meurich, Munzingen, Weiten, etc. I have map showing the whole area covered in the database. Consider how many microfilms involved. Consider the restrictions the Catholic Church archives in Trier placed on the microfilms for this area. It's easier to use this database my cousin sent me because he finecombed births, christenings, marriages, deaths and burials and pulled all together. David Samuelsen On 2/11/2012 3:26 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Why don't you work with the Family Search indexing folks and have them > double check it and get it into the system? > > Michele > > > In a message dated 2/11/2012 11:30:01 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > >> From ONE village in Germany, I count on less than 2 hands LDS > descendants. Image me doing more than 100,000 descendants of that > village (I have in my possession the entire database sent to me from a > distant cousin in Germany) > > Can you fathom the size of it without any help from my ward or friends. > > David S.

Jill, I recently had the same problem with one of the members of my ward. I went over to help him get organized with his PAF program and NFS, in the process we found he had in his file about 12 names still reserved and he found the cards and the work had been completed. I had him take the cards to the temple and make sure they entered the info again. I haven't checked back yet to know if that helped. I'll check with him on that. Norm Nye > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:12:16 -0700 > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple ordinances > > I'll say again that I think we need to be careful in assuming that all of > these names that have been "sitting" for multiple years are not done. Many > may not be, but I have work that I cleared in 2007, the work was done, yet > it's still in my holding file because the ordinances were never recorded in > nFS. I have no intention of releasing them, because the work is done and > they will be duplicated if I do. I have contacted Salt Lake about this, and > they have told me to wait. It's probably time for me to check again, but I > can't believe that I'm the only one with this issue. Family members looking > at this could think that I'm hoarding, or sitting on them, or being > delinquent in whatever way they want to judge, but the work is done. Let's > give others the benefit of the doubt and keep moving forward with whatever > else needs to be done. > > Just my two cents, > Jill Crandell > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

They show with white for the ordinances up to the sealing, then the SP is green--but the work was finished in 2007. They show with my name. I have scanned the cards and I'll send that image tonight. Jill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 7:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple ordinances Do they show up with a yellow box by the name on the pedigree? What does it say in the ordinances tab for the individual? Does it say reserved by Family Search or does it have your name?

Jerry, I do have the cards, but last time I contacted them they didn't want me to scan and send them in. I was surprised by that, but I let it go. I've been watching for 5 years, and they still haven't shown up. I'll make contact again, but like I said, I don't think I'm the only one that looks like I'm being delinquent when that isn't the case. :o) Jill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerry Cowley Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 6:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple ordinances Jill, Do you have the cards or letters with the ordinance dates on them? If so, they can be scanned and sent in.

Well that's interesting. I have just a couple of those for whom I entered dates for temple work completed by me. "Feedback" says they can't find the ordinance dates. I will wait instead of resubmitting. THanks. A lot of things went haywire when they moved over to NFS :-) Michele In a message dated 2/11/2012 3:12:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I'll say again that I think we need to be careful in assuming that all of these names that have been "sitting" for multiple years are not done. Many may not be, but I have work that I cleared in 2007, the work was done, yet it's still in my holding file because the ordinances were never recorded in nFS. I have no intention of releasing them, because the work is done and they will be duplicated if I do. I have contacted Salt Lake about this, and they have told me to wait. It's probably time for me to check again, but I can't believe that I'm the only one with this issue. Family members looking at this could think that I'm hoarding, or sitting on them, or being delinquent in whatever way they want to judge, but the work is done. Let's give others the benefit of the doubt and keep moving forward with whatever else needs to be done. Just my two cents, Jill Crandell Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When you reserve names and have the youth in your ward do the baptisms, what do you do with the names afterwards? Do you release them to the all temples file? I have lots of names when the baptisms were done and nothing else. I wonder how many people only get that far and then get overwhelmed and do nothing!! Family history consultants ought to be assisting folks they have helped to complete the work in a timely manner. Michele In a message dated 2/11/2012 2:44:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Thanks Tom, for your insight. The presenters at the conference were the two who straighten out the really knotty problems for folks. They gave the "Top Ten Mistakes..." session from which my notes originate. Whether names for myself or names for the temple, if I submit them, they all go into my one temple file to process and wait. I was told that male endowments given to the temple are taking about 2 years to complete. (They used to take longer, by the way. This is an improvement.) The "reasonable period of time" may be different for me if I move to the Antarctic compared to the Intermountain West. But when a questioner asked, they suggested a couple of months. I usually try for a six month supply to get me from one ward youth baptism to the next. I do not leave them on my list all that time, but re-select them as I need them. That's how I noticed that others have been completing them. What a blessing! Last year I worked with another submitter to take some of the names she had on her submission list. She was reducing it per the request of NFS due to problems she was experiencing with the program. She couldn't get a printout, one of the concerns the presenters mentioned. Her goal was to reduce from 4,000 to 200. Jerry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 29 Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] If you prefer the digest version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to restrict the size of your post. Today's Topics: 1. Re: temple ordinances (Jerry Cowley) 2. Re: temple ordinances (Tom Kemp) 3. Re: temple ordinances ([email protected]) 4. Re: temple ordinances (W David Samuelsen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:54:34 -0700 From: "Jerry Cowley" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple ordinances To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Interesting how this conversation has morphed. I know people who work and struggle for years to get any names for temple work. Others have names "pour out of the computer" so to speak. Our circumstances are not always alike. Two Rootsweb conference speakers reminded attendees that we should submit no more names than we can do in a "reasonable amount of time, probably a few months." If a researcher has dozens of temple-going family members or a supportive ward, they can probably get more names done than one who doesn't have that, but they cautioned us about having more than 200 names in the temple file at a time because of the difficulty it gives the program. For example, names may not print properly on an FOR. They urged us not to feel guilty about not being able to do all the work we find all at once. I have experimented by putting a few family names into the program without tapping them for temple work--or more than just baptism, etc.-- right away. Nearly half have already been picked up and completed. Conversely, I have also found names that were begun by others or through extraction that I've been able to complete. I would rather have the names waiting in the program than in my computer. It's one step closer for them. It's also an excellent way of making contact with other researchers. And if the names wait until the Millennium, the data is in place to support the effort when the time comes. I have also assisted people whose health is precarious, who have no immediate LDS family, with putting all their data into the program, rather than leave it in their own computer files should they die. They are attending the temple as often as their circumstances permit. We should not begin unauthorized extractions of lists of persons such as Holocaust victims. That is actively discouraged. Jerry __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6876 (20120211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:09:45 -0500 From: Tom Kemp <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple ordinances To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 OK. I have rechecked the current two publications on Family History - the "A Member's Guide..." and "To Turn the Hearts" Both speak of doing "all" work for our "ancestors" and our "kindred dead" Yes, we are talking about submitting only relatives - no self created extraction projects. There is no mention of limiting the flow of names. I have heard of not "reserving" more names than we can reasonably do ourselves through personal Temple attendance - but have never seen any instructions about not "submitting" names to the general Temple file (not reserved - simply entered in to nFS and submitted for Temple work for all Temples to pull from. It is my experience that female names are completed within six months (with the baptisms etc. being completed within 2 weeks) and that male names will take ten months. Most names are completed sooner than that. So, the need is there. Given the painfully low number of names waiting for female baptisms - it would seem like a real assist to the Church to document and submit as many names - particularly female names, as possible. That way the Temples will have more than enough names in reserve to meet the needs of a world-wide Church. ?Once we have received them for ourselves [Ordinances] and for our families, we are obligated to provide these ordinances vicariously for our kindred dead, indeed for the whole human family? (Boyd K. Packer, in Conference Report, Apr. 1987, p. 27; or Ensign, May 1987, p. 24). On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Jerry Cowley <[email protected]> wrote: > > Interesting how this conversation has morphed. ?I know people who work and > struggle for years to get any names for temple work. Others have names "pour > out of the computer" so to speak. Our circumstances are not always alike. > Two Rootsweb conference speakers reminded attendees that we should submit no > more names than we can do in a "reasonable amount of time, probably a few > months." If a researcher has dozens of temple-going family members or a > supportive ward, they can probably get more names done than one who doesn't > have that, but they cautioned us about having more than 200 names in the > temple file at a time because of the difficulty it gives the program. For > example, names may not print properly on an FOR. They urged us not to feel > guilty about not being able to do all the work we find all at once. > > I have experimented by putting a few family names into the program without > tapping them for temple work--or more than just baptism, etc.-- right away. > Nearly half have already been picked up and completed. Conversely, I have > also found names that were begun by others or through extraction that I've > been able to complete. I would rather have the names waiting in the program > than in my computer. It's one step closer for them. ?It's also an excellent > way of making contact with other researchers. And if the names wait until > the Millennium, the data is in place to support the effort when the time > comes. > > I have also assisted people whose health is precarious, who have no > immediate LDS family, with putting all their data into the program, rather > than leave it in their own computer files should they die. ?They are > attending the temple as often as their circumstances permit. > > We should not begin unauthorized extractions of lists of persons such as > Holocaust victims. That is actively discouraged. > > Jerry > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6876 (20120211) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:47:32 -0500 (EST) From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple ordinances To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" It is now taking 18+ months to get male names through. Endowments are the worst..they wait up to a year between initiatory and endowment and then sometimes nearly that long for sealings. I believe we should do all the "legal" (meaning far enough back and not self-extraction projects) names we can. I do all the descendants of my direct ancestors as far down as I can do them. I submit them immediately to the temple file because we don't have enough temple goers to try to coordinate that. Better than waiting until the millenium when there will really be a backlog!!! I wish all those folks who reserve names would just do them or send them to the temple file..I have so many many names in my ancestry....even newer ones who get the baptisms done and then just sit some since 1999, some since 2009 and all years in between...hundreds of souls waiting for completion of their ordinances. I think we have a responsibility to proactively tell our patrons if they can't get the names done quickly, to submit them to the NFS temple file to be completed. Even if they have printed cards, we should assist them to send them on to the temple. I think a lot of people hold on to the cards feeling guilty that they aren't getting them done...and do nothing because they do not know what to do. Michele In a message dated 2/11/2012 10:11:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: OK. I have rechecked the current two publications on Family History - the "A Member's Guide..." and "To Turn the Hearts" Both speak of doing "all" work for our "ancestors" and our "kindred dead" Yes, we are talking about submitting only relatives - no self created extraction projects. There is no mention of limiting the flow of names. I have heard of not "reserving" more names than we can reasonably do ourselves through personal Temple attendance - but have never seen any instructions about not "submitting" names to the general Temple file (not reserved - simply entered in to nFS and submitted for Temple work for all Temples to pull from. It is my experience that female names are completed within six months (with the baptisms etc. being completed within 2 weeks) and that male names will take ten months. Most names are completed sooner than that. So, the need is there. Given the painfully low number of names waiting for female baptisms - it would seem like a real assist to the Church to document and submit as many names - particularly female names, as possible. That way the Temples will have more than enough names in reserve to meet the needs of a world-wide Church. ?Once we have received them for ourselves [Ordinances] and for our families, we are obligated to provide these ordinances vicariously for our kindred dead, indeed for the whole human family? (Boyd K. Packer, in Conference Report, Apr. 1987, p. 27; or Ensign, May 1987, p. 24). On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Jerry Cowley <[email protected]> wrote: > > Interesting how this conversation has morphed. I know people who work and > struggle for years to get any names for temple work. Others have names "pour > out of the computer" so to speak. Our circumstances are not always alike. > Two Rootsweb conference speakers reminded attendees that we should submit no > more names than we can do in a "reasonable amount of time, probably a few > months." If a researcher has dozens of temple-going family members or a > supportive ward, they can probably get more names done than one who doesn't > have that, but they cautioned us about having more than 200 names in the > temple file at a time because of the difficulty it gives the program. For > example, names may not print properly on an FOR. They urged us not to feel > guilty about not being able to do all the work we find all at once. > > I have experimented by putting a few family names into the program without > tapping them for temple work--or more than just baptism, etc.-- right away. > Nearly half have already been picked up and completed. Conversely, I have > also found names that were begun by others or through extraction that I've > been able to complete. I would rather have the names waiting in the program > than in my computer. It's one step closer for them. It's also an excellent > way of making contact with other researchers. And if the names wait until > the Millennium, the data is in place to support the effort when the time > comes. > > I have also assisted people whose health is precarious, who have no > immediate LDS family, with putting all their data into the program, rather > than leave it in their own computer files should they die. They are > attending the temple as often as their circumstances permit. > > We should not begin unauthorized extractions of lists of persons such as > Holocaust victims. That is actively discouraged. > > Jerry > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6876 (20120211) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 12:28:30 -0700 From: W David Samuelsen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple ordinances To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >From ONE village in Germany, I count on less than 2 hands LDS descendants. Image me doing more than 100,000 descendants of that village (I have in my possession the entire database sent to me from a distant cousin in Germany) Can you fathom the size of it without any help from my ward or friends. David S. On 2/10/2012 11:20 AM, Alice Allen wrote: > I'm guilty of having put names in the system in hopes someone more closely > related than I am would find them and do their work. I should have realized > that since I seem to be the only one researching these people, there's > probably not a line-up of people waiting to do their Temple work, either. > > Guess what I'll be dong later today. > > Alice Allen > Ward Family History Consultant > Oakhurst Ward, Vancouver WA Stake ------------------------------ To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Jill, Do you have the cards or letters with the ordinance dates on them? If so, they can be scanned and sent in. I had a situation where someone skipped entering a year of temple books somehow. I still had the letter, 30 years later. My query sent them looking for the remainder to enter. Michele, There is no separate temple file for patrons to submit names to. Patrons select a name and choose the temple to do the work or leave it for themselves. Both types reside in the patron's temple file until they are completed. To answer the other question, I only "send" the Baptism/Confirmation on the card to the temple with the youth. The rest stay in NFS until I or someone else can do them. I create a formula or report to call them up (baptized, initiatory or endowment not completed) to finish. That way I can send an FOR as an email attachment to friends and relatives who would like to do. Yes, I have to stay on top of it, but it works well. Jerry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- it's still in my holding file because the ordinances were never recorded in nFS. Just my two cents, Jill Crandell ------------------------------ When you reserve names and have the youth in your ward do the baptisms, what do you do with the names afterwards? Do you release them to the all temples file? Michele __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6877 (20120211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

I've scanned cards that had the completed ordinances stamped on them but the ordinances were not recorded in new FamilySearch.  They were promptly fixed in new FamilySearch.  At the time, I was also told I could take the cards back to the temple, but since I am in Kansas and the ordinances were done in the Ogden temple, I just scanned the cards. Rebecca Christensen --- On Sat, 2/11/12, Jill N. Crandell <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jill N. Crandell <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple ordinances To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, February 11, 2012, 7:51 PM Jerry, I do have the cards, but last time I contacted them they didn't want me to scan and send them in. I was surprised by that, but I let it go. I've been watching for 5 years, and they still haven't shown up. I'll make contact again, but like I said, I don't think I'm the only one that looks like I'm being delinquent when that isn't the case. :o) Jill

The stakes in our temple district each have a box with a divider for each ward in that stake. Each ward is divided into places for temple cards to be filed under baptism, endowment, and sealings. Members of our stake/wards put their names needing the ordinance work in the proper place. If we don't have any of our own names to do, we look at our ward file and take a name. It works very well! Kay

Hi Recently I found that an ordinance my brother in law had completed back in 2005 did not show up on NFS. I had the blue card, I scanned the card and sent it to the Seattle temple where the ordinances were completed and they added the information to nFS as it now shows done with the proper dates. If all else fails try sending a copy of the card back to the temple where the ordinances were completed. That is why I tell the class never to throw away the temple cards as you never know if you will need them one day. Thanks for this discussion and for reading this email. Take care Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill N. Crandell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple ordinances > Jerry, > > I do have the cards, but last time I contacted them they didn't want me to > scan and send them in. I was surprised by that, but I let it go. I've been > watching for 5 years, and they still haven't shown up. I'll make contact > again, but like I said, I don't think I'm the only one that looks like I'm > being delinquent when that isn't the case. :o) > > Jill > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerry > Cowley > Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 6:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple ordinances > > > Jill, > Do you have the cards or letters with the ordinance dates on them? If so, > they can be scanned and sent in. > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can't be soon enough!! :-) Michele In a message dated 2/11/2012 2:39:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: There was a RootsTech livesteam session that was all about the future of new FamilySearch that will be released in the coming months. It will take care of the problem of the anonymous submitters and the unclaimed legacy submitters. FamilySearch is well aware of the problem and has been working on a solution. The RootsTech streams haven't yet been divided up into the hour long sessions, but the daily streams can still be watched on RootsTech.org Rebecca Christensen --- On Sat, 2/11/12, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple ordinances To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, February 11, 2012, 4:25 PM What I'd like to know is...Do the NFS computer folks have any way of determining how long names have been waiting for ordinances completion? We can all see that info on individuals.....when the last ordinances was performed and who reserved it...and the ESPECIALLY ANNOYING Legacy submitters ( who are either dead, inactive, or lost their cards in the last 15 years). I am hopeful that they will announce and then begin to enforce within 6 months (to give folks a chance to have stake temple days or family temple days to finish things up)..and then just pull the plug on all the Legacy submissions and send them to "ready" and ditto anything that has been more than 3-5 years waiting for the next ordinances in sequence to be done. The engineers could do a lot to help us fulfill our responsibilities. Every month, I go through my "cleared and submitted list" from PAF and run Family Insight. I pick up newly completely ordinances but there are thousands of names that are not getting done and I believe may never be completed until Salt Lake takes action. Michele Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Why don't you work with the Family Search indexing folks and have them double check it and get it into the system? Michele In a message dated 2/11/2012 11:30:01 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: >From ONE village in Germany, I count on less than 2 hands LDS descendants. Image me doing more than 100,000 descendants of that village (I have in my possession the entire database sent to me from a distant cousin in Germany) Can you fathom the size of it without any help from my ward or friends. David S. On 2/10/2012 11:20 AM, Alice Allen wrote: > I'm guilty of having put names in the system in hopes someone more closely > related than I am would find them and do their work. I should have realized > that since I seem to be the only one researching these people, there's > probably not a line-up of people waiting to do their Temple work, either. > > Guess what I'll be dong later today. > > Alice Allen > Ward Family History Consultant > Oakhurst Ward, Vancouver WA Stake Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What I'd like to know is...Do the NFS computer folks have any way of determining how long names have been waiting for ordinances completion? We can all see that info on individuals.....when the last ordinances was performed and who reserved it...and the ESPECIALLY ANNOYING Legacy submitters ( who are either dead, inactive, or lost their cards in the last 15 years). I am hopeful that they will announce and then begin to enforce within 6 months (to give folks a chance to have stake temple days or family temple days to finish things up)..and then just pull the plug on all the Legacy submissions and send them to "ready" and ditto anything that has been more than 3-5 years waiting for the next ordinances in sequence to be done. The engineers could do a lot to help us fulfill our responsibilities. Every month, I go through my "cleared and submitted list" from PAF and run Family Insight. I pick up newly completely ordinances but there are thousands of names that are not getting done and I believe may never be completed until Salt Lake takes action. Michele In a message dated 2/11/2012 1:41:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Knowledge Base Document # 1008361 clearly states: .There is no limit on the amount of time that ordinances can be on your Temple Ordinances list. Reserve only the amount that you can do in a timely manner. Other relatives may also want to perform ordinances for shared ancestors. Note: The more ordinances you reserve, the longer it takes for your Temple Ordinances List to load. Note the words "timely manner" and check your large temple lists, are there ordinances waiting there that could have been picked up by other family members? Note the phrase: "Other relatives may also want to perform ordinances for shared ancestors." My point is that of moderation in all things and that hoarding is probably not a good thing? The programmers designed the list to function properly with up to 2,000 names so if we have 2 or 3 times that many, we may need to rethink our priorities. Shanna Jones -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Kemp Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 11:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple ordinances OK. I have rechecked the current two publications on Family History - the "A Member's Guide..." and "To Turn the Hearts" Both speak of doing "all" work for our "ancestors" and our "kindred dead" Yes, we are talking about submitting only relatives - no self created extraction projects. There is no mention of limiting the flow of names. I have heard of not "reserving" more names than we can reasonably do ourselves through personal Temple attendance - but have never seen any instructions about not "submitting" names to the general Temple file (not reserved - simply entered in to nFS and submitted for Temple work for all Temples to pull from. It is my experience that female names are completed within six months (with the baptisms etc. being completed within 2 weeks) and that male names will take ten months. Most names are completed sooner than that. So, the need is there. Given the painfully low number of names waiting for female baptisms - it would seem like a real assist to the Church to document and submit as many names - particularly female names, as possible. That way the Temples will have more than enough names in reserve to meet the needs of a world-wide Church. "Once we have received them for ourselves [Ordinances] and for our families, we are obligated to provide these ordinances vicariously for our kindred dead, indeed for the whole human family" (Boyd K. Packer, in Conference Report, Apr. 1987, p. 27; or Ensign, May 1987, p. 24). Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'll say again that I think we need to be careful in assuming that all of these names that have been "sitting" for multiple years are not done. Many may not be, but I have work that I cleared in 2007, the work was done, yet it's still in my holding file because the ordinances were never recorded in nFS. I have no intention of releasing them, because the work is done and they will be duplicated if I do. I have contacted Salt Lake about this, and they have told me to wait. It's probably time for me to check again, but I can't believe that I'm the only one with this issue. Family members looking at this could think that I'm hoarding, or sitting on them, or being delinquent in whatever way they want to judge, but the work is done. Let's give others the benefit of the doubt and keep moving forward with whatever else needs to be done. Just my two cents, Jill Crandell