In my PAF database, I type sub 17 Feb 2012 (or the actual dates) when I submit a name..that helps me keep track of ordinances. If it seems like it's taking too long, then I just go back into NFS with the PID number and that's how I can determine if they dropped the ordinances..the green arrow tells me. I make sure to combine and double check but I am finding a LOT of ordinances that have been dropped some endowments, but a lot of sealings. And these are not ones from the 2007/2008 rollout fiasco. They are names submitted in early 2010 which should be done by now... Michele In a message dated 2/17/2012 11:22:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Michele, Are you using Family Insight with PAF? How did you determine that the ordinance was not cleared? I have a subscription to FI but use RootsMagic5 for my data base but the two are compatible. Thanks, Nancy Scott -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 01:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LDS-WC] Incompleted temple ordinances This morning I have spent some time updating ordinances using Family Insight and on a dozen occasions I have found that when there is a long delay in the completion of the sealing to parents ordinance, it is because that ordinance is not cleared. I submitted and cleared the names, and the endowments were done and then a long wait. So just suggesting if you are finding delays, that some ordinances may be uncleared! This also seems the case that the system stopped temple work in its tracks when they began the rule about no punctuation in names..such as when an individual has a nickname. Michele Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michele, Are you using Family Insight with PAF? How did you determine that the ordinance was not cleared? I have a subscription to FI but use RootsMagic5 for my data base but the two are compatible. Thanks, Nancy Scott -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 01:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LDS-WC] Incompleted temple ordinances This morning I have spent some time updating ordinances using Family Insight and on a dozen occasions I have found that when there is a long delay in the completion of the sealing to parents ordinance, it is because that ordinance is not cleared. I submitted and cleared the names, and the endowments were done and then a long wait. So just suggesting if you are finding delays, that some ordinances may be uncleared! This also seems the case that the system stopped temple work in its tracks when they began the rule about no punctuation in names..such as when an individual has a nickname. Michele Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This morning I have spent some time updating ordinances using Family Insight and on a dozen occasions I have found that when there is a long delay in the completion of the sealing to parents ordinance, it is because that ordinance is not cleared. I submitted and cleared the names, and the endowments were done and then a long wait. So just suggesting if you are finding delays, that some ordinances may be uncleared! This also seems the case that the system stopped temple work in its tracks when they began the rule about no punctuation in names..such as when an individual has a nickname. Michele

Michelle raised an interesting issue about ordinances not being cleared.   How do we know if the ordinance is not cleared?   Would you provide an example? I am not sure what you mean but I know that I could use the hints.   Thank you!   Mary Scott  

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That what has me wondering. Could there be somebody out there giving her access when she is not authorized to? Not only that she is practically anti-LDS. David Samuelsen On 2/15/2012 6:41 PM, Darlene Goulding wrote: > If Helen Radkey is a former Mormon, since 1999, how is she getting into the > database to review baptisms, etc.??

If Helen Radkey is a former Mormon, since 1999, how is she getting into the database to review baptisms, etc.?? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 6:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 38 Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] If you prefer the digest version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to restrict the size of your post. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents (Megan Smith) 2. Re: Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents (Mary S. Scott (Michigan)) 3. Re: Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents (Jerry Cowley) 4. Re: Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents (W David Samuelsen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:51:01 -0800 From: "Megan Smith" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" That is just lazy genealogy . . . we truly dislike seeing names like that in our Temple office. Megan Smith Las Vegas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Betty Jo and Don Colbert Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 3:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents Just a little thought to add, last time I was at a sealing session, a lot of the persons being sealed were listed as simply Mister Smith or Mrs Smith, with children the same Mr or Miss. I asked the birthdates of these persons and was told it was the mid 1800s. In my opinion there is no person who should be submitted for Temple work listed in that manner especially born in the mid 1800s. If they are truely researching their ancestors they can find more information than simply last names for the whole family. Is this proper in your opinion? Or am I wrong? Betty Jo Colbert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Kelsey" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:02:56 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents I believe I even saw where someone did the work for Jane Bennett, the fictitious character in Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice. This needs to be stopped. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Todeschini" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents > Well, members who do that deserve to be reprimanded. And to think this > submitter clicked "yes" next to "I understand and will follow the > Church policy" and also said "yes" to a bishop and a stake president > when asked if he was honest in all things. More than restricting > access to FamilySearch, I'd go for this person's temple recommend as > well, at a minimum. (Yes, I am aware that I don't get to decide such > things, but that's how I feel.) > > Maybe the Church could prepare and block a list of 'high profile' > names, including Holocaust victims and celebrities. > > How long until someone does proxy work for Whitney Houston? . . . > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 4:31 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents > >> _Click here: >> http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53506130-78/church-mokotoff-jewish- >> lds.html.csp_ >> (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53506130-78/church-mokotoff-jewish >> -lds.html.csp) >> >> It appears that because members are not obeying the rules especially >> concerning very sensitive submission of names that the church is >> really cracking down. That is probably necessary and underscores the >> need for all of us to instruct our ward members to follow the rules. >> >> Baptizing Jews who are not your relatives, other non-relatives and >> Elvis (whose work has been does many many times) are stepping over >> the bounds that have been set by our leaders. >> >> Michele >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:02:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Mary S. Scott \(Michigan\)" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Even the fictitious characters from the "Little House on the Prairie" television series had temple ordinances completed for them. They had been entered into New FamilySearch as though they were actual people - the adopted brother Albert; Adam, the husband of Mary; Mary's baby; Adam's father. All of these are fictitious characters were created for the television series. ? Meanwhile the time taken to do these ordinances could have been used to complete the ordinances for REAL people. ? Mary Scott ? ________________________________ From: Steve Kelsey <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents I believe I even saw where someone did the work for Jane Bennett, the fictitious character in Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice.? This needs to be stopped. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Todeschini" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents > Well, members who do that deserve to be reprimanded. And to think this > submitter clicked "yes" next to "I understand and will follow the Church > policy" and also said "yes" to a bishop and a stake president when asked > if > he was honest in all things. More than restricting access to FamilySearch, > I'd go for this person's temple recommend as well, at a minimum. (Yes, I > am > aware that I don't get to decide such things, but that's how I feel.) > > Maybe the Church could prepare and block a list of 'high profile' names, > including Holocaust victims and celebrities. > > How long until someone does proxy work for Whitney Houston? . . . > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 4:31 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents > >> _Click? here: >> http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53506130-78/church-mokotoff-jewish-lds.htm l.csp_ >> (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53506130-78/church-mokotoff-jewish-lds.ht ml.csp) >> >> It appears that because members are not obeying the rules especially >> concerning very sensitive submission of names that the church is really >> cracking >> down.? That is probably necessary and underscores the need for all of us >> to >> instruct our ward members to follow the rules. >> >> Baptizing Jews who are not your relatives, other non-relatives and Elvis >> (whose work has been does many many times) are stepping over the bounds >> that >> have been set by our leaders. >> >> Michele >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:13:24 -0700 From: "Jerry Cowley" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Over six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust. I personally wouldn't want to type up that block list. When something like this is discovered in the database, it should be reported directly to NFS to handle. Of course, if the person involved were a direct descendant of this couple, the ordinance is legitimate. Jerry __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6884 (20120214) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:40:50 -0500 From: W David Samuelsen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Quoting "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <[email protected]>: > Even the fictitious characters from the "Little House on the > Prairie" television series had temple ordinances completed for them. > They had been entered into New FamilySearch as though they were > actual people - the adopted brother Albert; Adam, the husband of > Mary; Mary's baby; Adam's father. All of these are fictitious > characters were created for the television series. > ? > Meanwhile the time taken to do these ordinances could have been used > to complete the ordinances for REAL people. > ? > Mary Scott If you recognize any such entries, please notify [email protected] to remove/block these names. They can't watch every name without any help from us. 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I couldn't agree more with what Harry wrote. It really is a matter of integrity.   Mary Scott ________________________________ From: Harry Laughman <[email protected]> To: Mary S. Scott (Michigan) <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents Brothers and Sisters, Peace, he knows what is right and those that have done this will have to answer for it on judgement day. Harry L. A CONSTITUTIONALIST WITH RADICAL VIEWS --- On Tue, 2/14/12, Mary S. Scott (Michigan) <[email protected]> wrote: >From: Mary S. Scott (Michigan) <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 11:35 PM > > >I did contact FamilySearch support at the time about the fictitious characters from "Little House" receiving temple ordinances.  I also wrote disputes (the old way) which are currently listed as part of the legacy discussions for each of these characters. The support staff told me that they would not remove the names because they worried someone would just put those fictitious characters back into NFS. Mary Scott     ________________________________ From: W David Samuelsen <[email protected]>To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 6:40 PMSubject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents  Quoting "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <[email protected]>:> Even the fictitious characters from the "Little House on the  > Prairie" television series had temple ordinances completed for them.  > They had been entered into New FamilySearch as though they were  > actual people - the adopted brother Albert; Adam, the husband of  > Mary; Mary's baby; Adam's father. All of these are fictitious  > characters were created for the television series.>  > Meanwhile the time taken to do these ordinances could have been used  > to complete the ordinances for REAL people.>  > Mary ScottIf you recognize any such entries, please notify  [email protected] to remove/block these names. They can't watch  every name without any help from us.David SamuelsenPlease send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the messagePlease send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The following is from the LDS Church News Room. SALT LAKE CITY - The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints issued the following statement today in response to news media requests regarding prominent Jewish names that were entered into the Church's genealogical database: Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that they may be baptized by proxy for deceased ancestors who never had that opportunity. The policy of the Church is that members can request these baptisms only for their own ancestors. Proxy baptisms of Holocaust victims are strictly prohibited. In this case, the Wiesel family names were not submitted for baptisms but simply entered into a genealogical database. Our system would have rejected those names had they been submitted. In a few instances, names have been submitted in violation of policy. Whether this is done by simple error or for other reasons, the Church considers these submissions to be a serious breach of protocol. It is distressing when an individual willfully violates the Church's policy and something that should be understood to be an offering based on love and respect becomes a source of contention. The Church will continue to do all it can to prevent such instances, including denying access to these genealogical records or other privileges to those who abuse them in this way.

Brothers and Sisters, Peace, he knows what is right and those that have done this will have to answer for it on judgement day. Harry L. A CONSTITUTIONALIST WITH RADICAL VIEWS --- On Tue, 2/14/12, Mary S. Scott (Michigan) <[email protected]> wrote: From: Mary S. Scott (Michigan) <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 11:35 PM I did contact FamilySearch support at the time about the fictitious characters from "Little House" receiving temple ordinances.   I also wrote disputes (the old way) which are currently listed as part of the legacy discussions for each of these characters.   The support staff told me that they would not remove the names because they worried someone would just put those fictitious characters back into NFS.   Mary Scott         ________________________________ From: W David Samuelsen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents   Quoting "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <[email protected]>: > Even the fictitious characters from the "Little House on the  > Prairie" television series had temple ordinances completed for them.  > They had been entered into New FamilySearch as though they were  > actual people - the adopted brother Albert; Adam, the husband of  > Mary; Mary's baby; Adam's father. All of these are fictitious  > characters were created for the television series. >   > Meanwhile the time taken to do these ordinances could have been used  > to complete the ordinances for REAL people. >   > Mary Scott If you recognize any such entries, please notify  [email protected] to remove/block these names. They can't watch  every name without any help from us. David Samuelsen Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just a little thought to add, last time I was at a sealing session, a lot of the persons being sealed were listed as simply Mister Smith or Mrs Smith, with children the same Mr or Miss.  I asked the birthdates of these persons and was told it was the mid 1800s.  In my opinion there is no person who should be submitted for Temple work listed in that manner especially born in the mid 1800s.  If they are truely researching their ancestors they can find more information than simply last names for the whole family.  Is this proper in your opinion?  Or am I wrong? Betty Jo Colbert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Kelsey" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:02:56 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents I believe I even saw where someone did the work for Jane Bennett, the fictitious character in Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice.  This needs to be stopped. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Todeschini" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents > Well, members who do that deserve to be reprimanded. And to think this > submitter clicked "yes" next to "I understand and will follow the Church > policy" and also said "yes" to a bishop and a stake president when asked > if > he was honest in all things. More than restricting access to FamilySearch, > I'd go for this person's temple recommend as well, at a minimum. (Yes, I > am > aware that I don't get to decide such things, but that's how I feel.) > > Maybe the Church could prepare and block a list of 'high profile' names, > including Holocaust victims and celebrities. > > How long until someone does proxy work for Whitney Houston? . . . > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 4:31 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents > >> _Click  here: >> http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53506130-78/church-mokotoff-jewish-lds.html.csp_ >> (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53506130-78/church-mokotoff-jewish-lds.html.csp) >> >> It appears that because members are not obeying the rules especially >> concerning very sensitive submission of names that the church is really >> cracking >> down.  That is probably necessary and underscores the need for all of us >> to >> instruct our ward members to follow the rules. >> >> Baptizing Jews who are not your relatives, other non-relatives and Elvis >> (whose work has been does many many times) are stepping over the bounds >> that >> have been set by our leaders. >> >> Michele >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I did contact FamilySearch support at the time about the fictitious characters from "Little House" receiving temple ordinances.   I also wrote disputes (the old way) which are currently listed as part of the legacy discussions for each of these characters.   The support staff told me that they would not remove the names because they worried someone would just put those fictitious characters back into NFS.   Mary Scott         ________________________________ From: W David Samuelsen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents Quoting "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <[email protected]>: > Even the fictitious characters from the "Little House on the  > Prairie" television series had temple ordinances completed for them.  > They had been entered into New FamilySearch as though they were  > actual people - the adopted brother Albert; Adam, the husband of  > Mary; Mary's baby; Adam's father. All of these are fictitious  > characters were created for the television series. >   > Meanwhile the time taken to do these ordinances could have been used  > to complete the ordinances for REAL people. >   > Mary Scott If you recognize any such entries, please notify  [email protected] to remove/block these names. They can't watch  every name without any help from us. David Samuelsen Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Quoting "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <[email protected]>: > Even the fictitious characters from the "Little House on the > Prairie" television series had temple ordinances completed for them. > They had been entered into New FamilySearch as though they were > actual people - the adopted brother Albert; Adam, the husband of > Mary; Mary's baby; Adam's father. All of these are fictitious > characters were created for the television series. >   > Meanwhile the time taken to do these ordinances could have been used > to complete the ordinances for REAL people. >   > Mary Scott If you recognize any such entries, please notify [email protected] to remove/block these names. They can't watch every name without any help from us. David Samuelsen

Well, members who do that deserve to be reprimanded. And to think this submitter clicked "yes" next to "I understand and will follow the Church policy" and also said "yes" to a bishop and a stake president when asked if he was honest in all things. More than restricting access to FamilySearch, I'd go for this person's temple recommend as well, at a minimum. (Yes, I am aware that I don't get to decide such things, but that's how I feel.) Maybe the Church could prepare and block a list of 'high profile' names, including Holocaust victims and celebrities. How long until someone does proxy work for Whitney Houston? . . . -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 4:31 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents > _Click here: > http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53506130-78/church-mokotoff-jewish-lds.html.csp_ > (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53506130-78/church-mokotoff-jewish-lds.html.csp) > > It appears that because members are not obeying the rules especially > concerning very sensitive submission of names that the church is really > cracking > down. That is probably necessary and underscores the need for all of us > to > instruct our ward members to follow the rules. > > Baptizing Jews who are not your relatives, other non-relatives and Elvis > (whose work has been does many many times) are stepping over the bounds > that > have been set by our leaders. > > Michele > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Over six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust. I personally wouldn't want to type up that block list. When something like this is discovered in the database, it should be reported directly to NFS to handle. Of course, if the person involved were a direct descendant of this couple, the ordinance is legitimate. Jerry __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6884 (20120214) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Even the fictitious characters from the "Little House on the Prairie" television series had temple ordinances completed for them. They had been entered into New FamilySearch as though they were actual people - the adopted brother Albert; Adam, the husband of Mary; Mary's baby; Adam's father. All of these are fictitious characters were created for the television series.   Meanwhile the time taken to do these ordinances could have been used to complete the ordinances for REAL people.   Mary Scott   ________________________________ From: Steve Kelsey <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents I believe I even saw where someone did the work for Jane Bennett, the fictitious character in Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice.  This needs to be stopped. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Todeschini" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents > Well, members who do that deserve to be reprimanded. And to think this > submitter clicked "yes" next to "I understand and will follow the Church > policy" and also said "yes" to a bishop and a stake president when asked > if > he was honest in all things. More than restricting access to FamilySearch, > I'd go for this person's temple recommend as well, at a minimum. (Yes, I > am > aware that I don't get to decide such things, but that's how I feel.) > > Maybe the Church could prepare and block a list of 'high profile' names, > including Holocaust victims and celebrities. > > How long until someone does proxy work for Whitney Houston? . . . > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 4:31 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents > >> _Click  here: >> http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53506130-78/church-mokotoff-jewish-lds.html.csp_ >> (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53506130-78/church-mokotoff-jewish-lds.html.csp) >> >> It appears that because members are not obeying the rules especially >> concerning very sensitive submission of names that the church is really >> cracking >> down.  That is probably necessary and underscores the need for all of us >> to >> instruct our ward members to follow the rules. >> >> Baptizing Jews who are not your relatives, other non-relatives and Elvis >> (whose work has been does many many times) are stepping over the bounds >> that >> have been set by our leaders. >> >> Michele >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That is just lazy genealogy . . . we truly dislike seeing names like that in our Temple office. Megan Smith Las Vegas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Betty Jo and Don Colbert Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 3:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents Just a little thought to add, last time I was at a sealing session, a lot of the persons being sealed were listed as simply Mister Smith or Mrs Smith, with children the same Mr or Miss. I asked the birthdates of these persons and was told it was the mid 1800s. In my opinion there is no person who should be submitted for Temple work listed in that manner especially born in the mid 1800s. If they are truely researching their ancestors they can find more information than simply last names for the whole family. Is this proper in your opinion? Or am I wrong? Betty Jo Colbert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Kelsey" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:02:56 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents I believe I even saw where someone did the work for Jane Bennett, the fictitious character in Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice. This needs to be stopped. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Todeschini" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents > Well, members who do that deserve to be reprimanded. And to think this > submitter clicked "yes" next to "I understand and will follow the > Church policy" and also said "yes" to a bishop and a stake president > when asked if he was honest in all things. More than restricting > access to FamilySearch, I'd go for this person's temple recommend as > well, at a minimum. (Yes, I am aware that I don't get to decide such > things, but that's how I feel.) > > Maybe the Church could prepare and block a list of 'high profile' > names, including Holocaust victims and celebrities. > > How long until someone does proxy work for Whitney Houston? . . . > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 4:31 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents > >> _Click here: >> http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53506130-78/church-mokotoff-jewish- >> lds.html.csp_ >> (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53506130-78/church-mokotoff-jewish >> -lds.html.csp) >> >> It appears that because members are not obeying the rules especially >> concerning very sensitive submission of names that the church is >> really cracking down. That is probably necessary and underscores the >> need for all of us to instruct our ward members to follow the rules. >> >> Baptizing Jews who are not your relatives, other non-relatives and >> Elvis (whose work has been does many many times) are stepping over >> the bounds that have been set by our leaders. >> >> Michele >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Betty Jo I agree, When I was active I even demanded more than that in the 1700s. Harry L. A CONSTITUTIONALIST WITH RADICAL VIEWS --- On Tue, 2/14/12, Betty Jo and Don Colbert <[email protected]> wrote: From: Betty Jo and Don Colbert <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 4:07 PM Just a little thought to add, last time I was at a sealing session, a lot of the persons being sealed were listed as simply Mister Smith or Mrs Smith, with children the same Mr or Miss.  I asked the birthdates of these persons and was told it was the mid 1800s.  In my opinion there is no person who should be submitted for Temple work listed in that manner especially born in the mid 1800s.  If they are truely researching their ancestors they can find more information than simply last names for the whole family.  Is this proper in your opinion?  Or am I wrong? Betty Jo Colbert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Kelsey" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:02:56 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents I believe I even saw where someone did the work for Jane Bennett, the fictitious character in Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice.  This needs to be stopped. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Todeschini" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents > Well, members who do that deserve to be reprimanded. And to think this > submitter clicked "yes" next to "I understand and will follow the Church > policy" and also said "yes" to a bishop and a stake president when asked > if > he was honest in all things. More than restricting access to FamilySearch, > I'd go for this person's temple recommend as well, at a minimum. (Yes, I > am > aware that I don't get to decide such things, but that's how I feel.) > > Maybe the Church could prepare and block a list of 'high profile' names, > including Holocaust victims and celebrities. > > How long until someone does proxy work for Whitney Houston? . . . > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 4:31 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents > >> _Click  here: >> http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53506130-78/church-mokotoff-jewish-lds.html.csp_ >> (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53506130-78/church-mokotoff-jewish-lds.html.csp) >> >> It appears that because members are not obeying the rules especially >> concerning very sensitive submission of names that the church is really >> cracking >> down.  That is probably necessary and underscores the need for all of us >> to >> instruct our ward members to follow the rules. >> >> Baptizing Jews who are not your relatives, other non-relatives and Elvis >> (whose work has been does many many times) are stepping over the bounds >> that >> have been set by our leaders. >> >> Michele >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe I even saw where someone did the work for Jane Bennett, the fictitious character in Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice. This needs to be stopped. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Todeschini" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents > Well, members who do that deserve to be reprimanded. And to think this > submitter clicked "yes" next to "I understand and will follow the Church > policy" and also said "yes" to a bishop and a stake president when asked > if > he was honest in all things. More than restricting access to FamilySearch, > I'd go for this person's temple recommend as well, at a minimum. (Yes, I > am > aware that I don't get to decide such things, but that's how I feel.) > > Maybe the Church could prepare and block a list of 'high profile' names, > including Holocaust victims and celebrities. > > How long until someone does proxy work for Whitney Houston? . . . > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 4:31 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [LDS-WC] Baptism of Simon Wiesenthal's parents > >> _Click here: >> http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53506130-78/church-mokotoff-jewish-lds.html.csp_ >> (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53506130-78/church-mokotoff-jewish-lds.html.csp) >> >> It appears that because members are not obeying the rules especially >> concerning very sensitive submission of names that the church is really >> cracking >> down. That is probably necessary and underscores the need for all of us >> to >> instruct our ward members to follow the rules. >> >> Baptizing Jews who are not your relatives, other non-relatives and Elvis >> (whose work has been does many many times) are stepping over the bounds >> that >> have been set by our leaders. >> >> Michele >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

_Click here: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53506130-78/church-mokotoff-jewish-lds.html.csp_ (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53506130-78/church-mokotoff-jewish-lds.html.csp) It appears that because members are not obeying the rules especially concerning very sensitive submission of names that the church is really cracking down. That is probably necessary and underscores the need for all of us to instruct our ward members to follow the rules. Baptizing Jews who are not your relatives, other non-relatives and Elvis (whose work has been does many many times) are stepping over the bounds that have been set by our leaders. Michele