Thats interesting but I thought that particular period was left to the experts at the FHL because it is so hard to figure out and best left to people who can read the handwriting and make sense of the records themselves. Looking foward to further information. Regine Brindle --- On Wed, 2/29/12, Jerry Cowley <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jerry Cowley <[email protected]> Subject: [LDS-WC] European records chronology To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, February 29, 2012, 12:58 PM I had someone ask why we couldn't submit birth records prior to 1500 the other day.  I remember its having something to do with whoever was pope issuing a decree that the parishes keep records sometime in the 1500s. (And true to human nature, some had already begun and some didn't bother for awhile.) What I can't put my finger on is the name of the Pope and the year of the decree.  From what I'm finding on the Internet, it may have had something to do with Henry VII. Thanks everyone, Jerry __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6925 (20120229) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have updated the 3x5 Temple Submission & LDS Web Site cards that I maintain to reflect the change to 110 years from date of birth requiring permission. They are in Word doc. and Adobe pdf. formats. 3 of the guidelines fit on an 8 ½ x 11 page of paper. They can be printed out on Avery Index Cards stock that accommodate the file or on a heavier weight 8 ½ x 11 piece of paper if one wanted to cut them rather than invest in the Avery forms. Please send an email with the subject: 3x5 Temple Submission Card to [email protected] off line if you would like a copy of the form. I will send them to you as attachments. Nancy Scott

https://createfan.com/ Try this site. You just need your LDS user name and password. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gay Davis Sent: February 27, 2012 3:59 AM To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Subject: [LDS-WC] Fan chart I have tried for several days to print a fan chart using the FamilySearch (Tree Seek) access. When I put in my name and password, it erases it. I have tried this many times with no success. I tried the Geni site but I don't have access to it. Does anyone know what the problem is and how I might access the fan chart process? Thx. Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4834 - Release Date: 02/26/12

I have tried for several days to print a fan chart using the FamilySearch (Tree Seek) access. When I put in my name and password, it erases it. I have tried this many times with no success. I tried the Geni site but I don't have access to it. Does anyone know what the problem is and how I might access the fan chart process? Thx.

I remember that a quote was mentioned on this list about a year ago or so, stating that compters and the internet was invented to further the work of redeming our kindred dead. But I simply can not find it, not matter what I use as search words on lds.org under magazines. Any-one out there with a better computer/serch skill than mine? Or even a better memory for quotes? I need it for an upcoming lesson on family history and templework. Thanks. Helle

Helle, is this the information you are looking for? President Gordon B. Hinckley, October 2005 General Conference: Opening Remarks"One of the most troublesome aspects of our temple activity is that as we get more and more temples scattered across the earth there is duplication of effort in proxy work. People in various nations simultaneously work on the same family lines and come up with the same names. They do not know that those in other areas are doing the same thing. We, therefore, have been engaged for some time in a very difficult undertaking. To avoid such duplication, the solution lies in complex computer technology. Preliminary indications are that it will work, and if this is so, it will be a truly remarkable thing with worldwide implications." Also, Elder Russell M. Nelson made a reference to it during the April 2010 General Conference:Generations Linked in Love "Because of the importance of this work, the Church has built temples closer to the people, and family history research is being facilitated as never before. Methods to find and prepare names for temple ordinances are also improving. At the October 2005 conference, President Gordon B. Hinckley announced an exciting step forward in family history and temple work. He said: 'One of the most troublesome aspects of our temple activity is that as we get more and more temples … across the earth there is duplication of effort in proxy work. … We, therefore, have been engaged for some time in a very difficult undertaking. … The solution lies in complex computer technology.'” Good luck! In GOD we trust! Warmly, Debbie Conger "Tooti Fruiti on a Rooti." Not sure what that means, but I'm going for that kind of energy and enthusiasm as I begin this week. :) Please delete details of all previous senders, including mine, to reduce spam, viruses, and identity theft. It is best to use the Bcc when forwarding. To do this, click your pointer at the very end of the list of addresses, then hold down the ‘backspace’ key. When using the Bcc, space between each email address, the address will not show on the forwards. This will prevent unwanted email addresses from being automatically added to your contact list. Thank you! > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:25:53 +0100 > Subject: [LDS-WC] Quote- Pres. Hinckley, Computers and Internet? > > I remember that a quote was mentioned on this list about a year ago or so, > stating that compters and the internet was invented to further the work of > redeming our kindred dead. > > But I simply can not find it, not matter what I use as search words on > lds.org under magazines. > > Any-one out there with a better computer/serch skill than mine? > Or even a better memory for quotes? > > I need it for an upcoming lesson on family history and templework. > > Thanks. > > Helle > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, Adam is going to get a big mess, isn't he? There are so many errors in families on NFS...wrong children, wrong parents, not to mention wrong spouses. I think it's going to take the millennium and a better system that we now have to correct a lot of erroneous information that has been entered by well-meaning people. I have several direct line families (not LDS pioneer lines) which are a total disaster and I cannot fix them under the current limitations. That said, honest, best efforts to interpret and to comply with church standards and policy by individuals should be acceptable. That's all the Savior asks. Michele In a message dated 2/23/2012 10:49:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: that doesn't work because my LDS membership record is listed in nFS for my eyes only and list my parents. Any information I add to my parents' record secure the bridge Surname only break the parental bridge, like it or not, according to the engineers. As helper, I see a lot of actual full names of non-LDS parents as bridges. No one else except you and the helper see the names. The helper will not see the dates, places, etc. Just the names. And per the lecture at Rootstech, dummy information is NOT permitted and must be removed asap upon discovery because what's in there will be presented to Adam for acceptance. David Samuelsen On 2/23/2012 4:14 AM, Nancy Scott wrote: > You are supposed to have permission from living individuals before you put > their data into nFS so I believe this is why some contributors may be > putting dummy data. This is a very clear guideline for nFS. > > > > Personally, I put in the Surname ONLY as a bridge for my nonmember husband > and mother-in-law. I put in no other data to ensure their privacy. When > the person is deceased, I will add the rest of the information. If I do not > live as long as they do, I will be following guidelines, in my opinion, even > if it creates an extra PID. > > > > Nancy Scott > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I checked helps in NFS, and found directions about adding living names to NFS and who will be able to see it. That said, many of the instructors and staff at RootsTech cautioned about over-adding living names. It creates duplication (now and in the future) and takes up space on the server. Those files will have to be combined or removed upon the death of the individual. NFS is not supposed to replace our personal records. Ask this question on the Helps and follow those directions, being careful not to overdo things. Bear in mind that the knowledge documents are always under review and may change over time. The KD on using "Do Not Combine" now includes the instruction not to use the name field for it, for example. That's a refinement. Some of those "living" names we find on occasion also come from the old Pedigree Resource File. Some programs are sensitive to ANYTHING in either the death date or death place field, including spaces, and interpret it as a death. Deleting something? Then use the delete button; don't highlight and hit the space bar. I have found others where someone added the word "living" in the death field. Guess how the computer reads that? Sometimes researchers add notes to the death fields, like "lawyer." That also is interpreted as a death. But the submitters to PRF didn't know their files would be included in a program like NFS 20 years later, so what they did seemed fine to them. If I take care of things I find for others, maybe 20 years from now, someone will be helpful with what I'm doing in good faith. Jerry __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6909 (20120223) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

The surname only does allow bridge to your next generation as I have used it and I plan to continue to use it and instruct others to use it as well. I am not sure exactly what you mean when you say "Surname only break the parental bridge". I cannot think of a better solution when it is required by the current nFS User's Manual to get permission from any living individual you add to the database regardless of whether anyone else can see the information. There are good reasons for NOT putting in data on living individuals such as the recent Wilson case where living persons had information showing as well as their temple work done which is also one of the cautions in the User's Manual. On page 157 of the current New FamilySearch User's Guide it states: "Get permission from each living individual before you add the information. Contribute only enough information to connect you to your deceased ancestors." Using the Surname only meets all of those requirements, in my opinion and I assure you that it creates a bridge to the next generation. Nancy Scott -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of W David Samuelsen Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 01:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Bridges in nFs that doesn't work because my LDS membership record is listed in nFS for my eyes only and list my parents. Any information I add to my parents' record secure the bridge Surname only break the parental bridge, like it or not, according to the engineers. As helper, I see a lot of actual full names of non-LDS parents as bridges. No one else except you and the helper see the names. The helper will not see the dates, places, etc. Just the names. And per the lecture at Rootstech, dummy information is NOT permitted and must be removed asap upon discovery because what's in there will be presented to Adam for acceptance. David Samuelsen On 2/23/2012 4:14 AM, Nancy Scott wrote: > You are supposed to have permission from living individuals before you > put their data into nFS so I believe this is why some contributors may > be putting dummy data. This is a very clear guideline for nFS. > > > > Personally, I put in the Surname ONLY as a bridge for my nonmember > husband and mother-in-law. I put in no other data to ensure their > privacy. When the person is deceased, I will add the rest of the > information. If I do not live as long as they do, I will be following > guidelines, in my opinion, even if it creates an extra PID. > > > > Nancy Scott > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

that doesn't work because my LDS membership record is listed in nFS for my eyes only and list my parents. Any information I add to my parents' record secure the bridge Surname only break the parental bridge, like it or not, according to the engineers. As helper, I see a lot of actual full names of non-LDS parents as bridges. No one else except you and the helper see the names. The helper will not see the dates, places, etc. Just the names. And per the lecture at Rootstech, dummy information is NOT permitted and must be removed asap upon discovery because what's in there will be presented to Adam for acceptance. David Samuelsen On 2/23/2012 4:14 AM, Nancy Scott wrote: > You are supposed to have permission from living individuals before you put > their data into nFS so I believe this is why some contributors may be > putting dummy data. This is a very clear guideline for nFS. > > > > Personally, I put in the Surname ONLY as a bridge for my nonmember husband > and mother-in-law. I put in no other data to ensure their privacy. When > the person is deceased, I will add the rest of the information. If I do not > live as long as they do, I will be following guidelines, in my opinion, even > if it creates an extra PID. > > > > Nancy Scott > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You are supposed to have permission from living individuals before you put their data into nFS so I believe this is why some contributors may be putting dummy data. This is a very clear guideline for nFS. Personally, I put in the Surname ONLY as a bridge for my nonmember husband and mother-in-law. I put in no other data to ensure their privacy. When the person is deceased, I will add the rest of the information. If I do not live as long as they do, I will be following guidelines, in my opinion, even if it creates an extra PID. Nancy Scott

this is very frowned upon because it's fictional. Headquarters made it very clear - names are sacred to God. I have my parents put in, visible only to me as bridge because they are living and not members of LDS and I use real and correct names. David On 2/22/2012 7:20 PM, Damaris Fish wrote: > Creating a dummy/placeholder person

David, Thanks for looking at them. Between the time I made the posting and the time you viewed them, changes were made to the files so now you cannot see what I meant about the death being empty but the work being completed. Not sure why the one now shows up at ready without death date. You were correct about the last being a typo. Should have been LZF8-PH5. So it was the "P" that I errored on. It now is expunged and living. I will send you the snips I took a couple of days ago that shows what it did look like on Sunday and at the time I took them. Any suggestions about how they got reserved when for work when they had nothing in the death field? Thanks for looking even though it was changed before you viewed them. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of W David Samuelsen Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 08:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Work Done for Living Nancy, Call 866-406-1830 with this problem case. They act faster if it is immediate family. It happened to me once - and got them to remove my aunt from nFS immediately. Somebody assumed my aunt to be dead when she is still very much alive and at age of 94! These PIDs tell me it was phsyically added to nFS, not through gedcom and merged with other records. LH2S-5WK - expunged, marked living LH2S-54W - "ready" without death date LH2S-54H - expunged, marked living LH2S-546 - expunged, marked living LH2S-54B - expunged, marked living LZF8-9H5 - are you sure it is correct? I get somebody who was born 1816. Call them to remove those marked living. These snould not be visible to anyone but this sister and her helper. David Samuelsen On 2/22/2012 4:02 PM, Nancy Scott wrote: > In particular, the Sister I was helping was concerned about the > information given for her husband who was born in 1948 but is listed as born in 1935. > It seemed strange because the print for him was dark and not in > italics so I took a look the LDS ordinances. Sure enough the work had > been completed in 2011. Five of his siblings had also had their > ordinances completed which the Sister I was helping says that they are > all living. We used Feedback to submit a case regarding the problem > but the last I heard from her, she had not received a reply. Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nancy, Call 866-406-1830 with this problem case. They act faster if it is immediate family. It happened to me once - and got them to remove my aunt from nFS immediately. Somebody assumed my aunt to be dead when she is still very much alive and at age of 94! These PIDs tell me it was phsyically added to nFS, not through gedcom and merged with other records. LH2S-5WK - expunged, marked living LH2S-54W - "ready" without death date LH2S-54H - expunged, marked living LH2S-546 - expunged, marked living LH2S-54B - expunged, marked living LZF8-9H5 - are you sure it is correct? I get somebody who was born 1816. Call them to remove those marked living. These snould not be visible to anyone but this sister and her helper. David Samuelsen On 2/22/2012 4:02 PM, Nancy Scott wrote: > In particular, the Sister I was helping was concerned about the information > given for her husband who was born in 1948 but is listed as born in 1935. > It seemed strange because the print for him was dark and not in italics so I > took a look the LDS ordinances. Sure enough the work had been completed in > 2011. Five of his siblings had also had their ordinances completed which > the Sister I was helping says that they are all living. We used Feedback to > submit a case regarding the problem but the last I heard from her, she had > not received a reply.

The thing is that there is absolutely nothing in thr death field that I can see so how could it be reserved in the first place forgetting that it needed permission. Nancy Sent from my Epic 4g -----Original Message----- From: Steve Kelsey <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Work Done for Living Feedback has always been very responsive to me on a problem such as this where work has been done in error for living persons. I would suggest she check on the case and if it is closed re-open and re-submit. She can do this easily by viewing "My cases". It has happened when I have put in birth and christening dates it is very easy to put the christening date as the death date and get the work done in error. I guess the older you get the fewer brain cells you have. Anyway I have been able to get these easily corrected and out of nfs at least as showing dead and ready for ordinances. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Scott" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:02 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] Work Done for Living > This past Sunday, I was helping a Sister in my Ward with some problems she > has encountered of a possible distant relative who put in data for the > family of the Sister's nonmember husband into nFS. I say possible distant > relative because the submitter will not respond to our emails to her and > when I called the phone number listed the person I talked to said that the > person I was looking had moved from their house and that she did not have > a > new phone number for her. > > > > In particular, the Sister I was helping was concerned about the > information > given for her husband who was born in 1948 but is listed as born in 1935. > It seemed strange because the print for him was dark and not in italics so > I > took a look the LDS ordinances. Sure enough the work had been completed > in > 2011. Five of his siblings had also had their ordinances completed which > the Sister I was helping says that they are all living. We used Feedback > to > submit a case regarding the problem but the last I heard from her, she had > not received a reply. > > > > The strangest thing about all of it that puzzles me is that there was > nothing in the death fields but still the work had been done. There are 2 > Contributors, the submitter and FamilySearch. > > > > The PIDs are: > > > > LH2S-5WK > > LH2S-54W > > LH2S-54H > > LH2S-546 > > LH2S-54B > > LZF8-9H5 > > > > I am wondering if anyone in the group has an explanation of how this > happened. > > > > I am still of the opinion that there needs to be something other than a > checkbox for even the 110 guideline. It seems that members either don't > read the message or they willfully ignore it. At least if they had to > enter > some data about how they were related or who they had permission from, > when > something was found it would be clear that they were willfully ignoring > it. > > > > Nancy Scott > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Why does someone manually add a living person's name to nfs? In the case of trying to be able to see and connect a branch past a living person (LDS or not)? Creating a dummy/placeholder person which you know will be, or already is, a duplicate individual - so that you can get past that living generation? If you don't do that then what is the right way to be able to go on and do the researching and making the connections? I am not saying, Going ahead and doing the ordinance work, just doing the research. But if you put in enough information the status turns to Ready - then is that person's ordinance work fair game? Especially after 110 years? Is that so that the person themselves is surely deceased, as well as the other people in the Order of Permissions, too? USACPBS Unremarried Spouse, Adult Child, Parents, Brother or Sister.... What about grandchildren? The point is to consider family sensitivities - it is an opportunity to communicate, to collaborate on research, and encourage things to be done in the Lord's order - encouraging us all to turn to the Lord, not giving occaision to take offense. -- Volunteer - Help Index the 1940 US Census https://www.familysearch.org/1940Census I'm a Cousin - are you? http://www.LostCousins.com<http://www.lostcousins.com/> Ring Johnson Hibbard Jones Loomis Cousins Morton Wait Lewis Watkins Cushley Clark Wheeler Macatee Duncan Litzinger Ault Cross Ortman Baker Middleton Yarnell Blades Smith Schofield Wooley McVey Eubank Rohrer Ruble Ruse https://sites.google.com/site/damarisfish2/ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will know peace.

This past Sunday, I was helping a Sister in my Ward with some problems she has encountered of a possible distant relative who put in data for the family of the Sister's nonmember husband into nFS. I say possible distant relative because the submitter will not respond to our emails to her and when I called the phone number listed the person I talked to said that the person I was looking had moved from their house and that she did not have a new phone number for her. In particular, the Sister I was helping was concerned about the information given for her husband who was born in 1948 but is listed as born in 1935. It seemed strange because the print for him was dark and not in italics so I took a look the LDS ordinances. Sure enough the work had been completed in 2011. Five of his siblings had also had their ordinances completed which the Sister I was helping says that they are all living. We used Feedback to submit a case regarding the problem but the last I heard from her, she had not received a reply. The strangest thing about all of it that puzzles me is that there was nothing in the death fields but still the work had been done. There are 2 Contributors, the submitter and FamilySearch. The PIDs are: LH2S-5WK LH2S-54W LH2S-54H LH2S-546 LH2S-54B LZF8-9H5 I am wondering if anyone in the group has an explanation of how this happened. I am still of the opinion that there needs to be something other than a checkbox for even the 110 guideline. It seems that members either don't read the message or they willfully ignore it. At least if they had to enter some data about how they were related or who they had permission from, when something was found it would be clear that they were willfully ignoring it. Nancy Scott

Last night I was reserving a person born in 1903 and when I went to make the reservation, a window displayed stating that it needed permission. When I opened the dialog box, the instructions were 110 years from the date of birth unless permission is received. I will have to wait until next May now to do the work for this individual. Nancy Scott

Feedback has always been very responsive to me on a problem such as this where work has been done in error for living persons. I would suggest she check on the case and if it is closed re-open and re-submit. She can do this easily by viewing "My cases". It has happened when I have put in birth and christening dates it is very easy to put the christening date as the death date and get the work done in error. I guess the older you get the fewer brain cells you have. Anyway I have been able to get these easily corrected and out of nfs at least as showing dead and ready for ordinances. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Scott" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:02 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] Work Done for Living > This past Sunday, I was helping a Sister in my Ward with some problems she > has encountered of a possible distant relative who put in data for the > family of the Sister's nonmember husband into nFS. I say possible distant > relative because the submitter will not respond to our emails to her and > when I called the phone number listed the person I talked to said that the > person I was looking had moved from their house and that she did not have > a > new phone number for her. > > > > In particular, the Sister I was helping was concerned about the > information > given for her husband who was born in 1948 but is listed as born in 1935. > It seemed strange because the print for him was dark and not in italics so > I > took a look the LDS ordinances. Sure enough the work had been completed > in > 2011. Five of his siblings had also had their ordinances completed which > the Sister I was helping says that they are all living. We used Feedback > to > submit a case regarding the problem but the last I heard from her, she had > not received a reply. > > > > The strangest thing about all of it that puzzles me is that there was > nothing in the death fields but still the work had been done. There are 2 > Contributors, the submitter and FamilySearch. > > > > The PIDs are: > > > > LH2S-5WK > > LH2S-54W > > LH2S-54H > > LH2S-546 > > LH2S-54B > > LZF8-9H5 > > > > I am wondering if anyone in the group has an explanation of how this > happened. > > > > I am still of the opinion that there needs to be something other than a > checkbox for even the 110 guideline. It seems that members either don't > read the message or they willfully ignore it. At least if they had to > enter > some data about how they were related or who they had permission from, > when > something was found it would be clear that they were willfully ignoring > it. > > > > Nancy Scott > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

When I take my names to the Temple they are put in as complete by the time I get home in about 1/2 hour after I complete them.  I think that is why the new rule came out Jan 1, 2012 that each patron has to do their own names and cannot leave the cards in the Temple file,  and can not just inundate the Temple with names that are not directily related to them, and having permission of the nearest relative for the ones who are not your direct line or born 110 years ago or more.  If you release them to the Temple to be done, they can be sent all over the world, and it may take a year or more to get them done.  They also may get stopped at Baptism and Conf. and take who knows how long to complete the rest. Betty Jo Sacramento Temple District ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 11:48:53 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Incompleted temple ordinances In my PAF database, I type sub 17 Feb 2012 (or the actual dates) when I   submit a name..that helps me keep track of ordinances. If it seems like it's taking too long, then I just go back into NFS with   the PID number and that's how I can determine if they dropped the   ordinances..the green arrow tells me.  I make sure to combine and double  check but I am finding a LOT of ordinances that have been dropped some  endowments, but a lot of sealings.  And these are not ones from the  2007/2008 rollout fiasco.  They are names submitted in early 2010 which  should be done by now...   Michele     In a message dated 2/17/2012 11:22:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,   [email protected] writes: Michele, Are you using Family Insight with PAF?  How  did you determine that the ordinance was not cleared? I have a  subscription to FI but use RootsMagic5 for my data base but the two are  compatible. Thanks, Nancy Scott -----Original  Message----- From:  [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]  On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 01:53  PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LDS-WC] Incompleted  temple ordinances This morning I have spent some time updating  ordinances using Family Insight and on a dozen occasions I have found that  when there is a long delay in the completion of the sealing to parents  ordinance, it is because that ordinance is not cleared.  I submitted  and cleared the names, and the endowments   were done and then a long  wait. So just suggesting if you are finding delays, that some  ordinances may be   uncleared!   This also seems the case  that the system stopped temple  work in its tracks when they began  the rule about no punctuation in names..such as when an individual has a  nickname. Michele Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or  UNSUBSCRIBE  to [email protected] ------------------------------- To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email  to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe'   without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or  UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected]   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please  send an email to [email protected] with the word  'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message