One of our young Priests was called as a Family History Consultant just yesterday.  He is already an Indexer, so his main focuses will be to encourage and help other youth to do Indexing, as well as helping them with Fan Charts and doing projects with older members of our ward. He is excited about this and looking forward to the challenge!   Families Are Forever Carol Riner Everett ________________________________ From: Chuck Woodings <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 11:02 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] Calling youth for FH Consultants I understand from others I've met at FH Conferences that some wards/stakes are calling youth to be Family History consultants and I would like to know what the churches position is on this practice.  I feel it would be a very good experience for Priests preparing for a mission. Can someone elaborate on this and perhaps if you've done it tell me of your experience. Thank you! Chuck Woodings, Ward Family History Consultant Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

there are already. Anyone remember D. Joshua Taylor? Now well-known on WDYTYA and was on last Friday's episode. He was very young, only 12 years old and he was in this position until 18 years old. When I met him, he was not yet 20 years old. For crying out loud, he was teaching FH classes to college students at Ricks College before it became BYU-Idaho. W. David Samuelsen On 3/4/2012 9:02 PM, Chuck Woodings wrote: > I understand from others I've met at FH Conferences that some wards/stakes > are calling youth to be Family History consultants and I would like to know > what the churches position is on this practice. I feel it would be a very > good experience for Priests preparing for a mission. > Can someone elaborate on this and perhaps if you've done it tell me of your > experience. > Thank you! > > Chuck Woodings, Ward Family History Consultant > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Quite to the contrary. If they were not members when divorced, even one is not, spouse can still be sealed. I know from the fact of one member in my ward. She wasn't member at time of divorce, husband was. She was mother of all of his children and they're members. The stake president has information on this matter. If spouses were members at time of divorce, then it is not allowed until after death. W. David Samuelsen On 3/4/2012 7:50 PM, Megan Smith wrote: > I don't believe that she can be sealed to a deceased spouse that she is > currently divorced from - she would need to have her Bishop check the > Handbook on that one. > > Megan Smith

Thinking about it, I feel that Megan is correct that one cannot be sealed to a divorced spouse when you are living. I should have thought more carefully about it before I posted it. Nancy Scott

For a woman to be sealed to more than one man, she must be deceased. Karen On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Harry Laughman <[email protected]> wrote: > I know a sister may be a female may be sealed to all she has been married > to in this world, providing all have died. Now I have forgotten if she must > be dead. > > Harry L. > > A CONSTITUTIONALIST WITH RADICAL VIEWS > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/4/12, Megan Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Megan Smith <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple work/permission > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, March 4, 2012, 7:50 PM > > I don't believe that she can be sealed to a deceased spouse that she is > currently divorced from - she would need to have her Bishop check the > Handbook on that one. > > Megan Smith > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nancy Scott > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 4:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple work/permission > > Nancy, > > I guess that she is putting the ex-husband who is deceased as a spouse in > nFS? If so, she should certainly indicate that they are divorced. She > should be prayerful about exactly what she does other than his ordinances. > If she comes to believe that she should be sealed to him, she would need to > get a living recommend for Sealing to Spouse from the appropriate > Priesthood > which I believe is her Bishop and Stake President. Being a new member, I > would advise her to fast and pray about this sort of thing to be sure this > is what she should do. > > When I was a new member, I was divorced and dating a someone who was very > kind and a generous person. He was opposed to the church though. My > ex-husband was interested in the church and did eventually join but his > repentance was short lived, though we remarried and were sealed in the > temple. He attended the temple only once and then became inactive and > never > attended again. I can look back on it and realize that I never actually > got > a confirmation that I should take up the relationship with the ex-husband > who had a history of being unkind and abusive and wish that I had done so. > Perhaps it was still the right thing to do, but not having gotten the > confirmation and then another divorce 20 years later makes one question > whether or not it was. > > Nancy Scott > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nancy > Gibert > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 05:10 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [LDS-WC] temple work/permission > > Please help me answer a question for a new member. She wants to do the > temple work of her ex-deceased husband. She feels very strongly that she > needs to do the work. She knows she needs permission. His mother is still > living. From reading the information below it looks like she can just get > verbal permission. Is that correct? When we enter into > newfamilysearch.org > I am helping her add, so do I add him as her spouse but I will need to add > divorce date right? Where to I indicate that she has permission? > Thanks > Nancy > > User's Guide to the New FamilySearch Website (20 February 2012) > > (LDS Version) Do I Need a Relative's Permission to Perform Ordinances? > (110-Year Rule) > > Problem > .When do I need to get permission to perform ordinances? > .Which relative can give permission for ordinances to be performed? > > Resolution > > Before doing ordinances for a deceased person born in the last 110 years, > please remember that close relatives may not want the ordinances performed, > or they may want to do the ordinances themselves. > > > You may do ordinances for your own deceased spouse, child, parent, or > sibling, but please consider the wishes of other close living relatives, > especially a living spouse. > > If you are not a spouse, child, parent, or sibling of the deceased, please > obtain permission from the closest living relative before doing the > ordinances. The closest living relatives are, in this order: an undivorced > spouse (the spouse to whom the individual was married when he or she died), > an adult child, a parent, or a brother or sister. > > Verbal approval is acceptable. 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I understand from others I've met at FH Conferences that some wards/stakes are calling youth to be Family History consultants and I would like to know what the churches position is on this practice. I feel it would be a very good experience for Priests preparing for a mission. Can someone elaborate on this and perhaps if you've done it tell me of your experience. Thank you! Chuck Woodings, Ward Family History Consultant

Our stake president instructed each bishop in our stake to call a youth to serve as a family history consultant. The plan is to call a second one of the opposite gender in about six months. I have had a youth serving with me for the las two years. It has been a journey. I would think that Elder Bednar's talk last conference would have settled the question. Youth can and should serve in family history callings. We've adjusted our family history program in the stake to include and embrace the ideal. Maureen Lake Sent from my iPad On Mar 4, 2012, at 8:02 PM, Chuck Woodings <[email protected]> wrote: > I understand from others I've met at FH Conferences that some wards/stakes > are calling youth to be Family History consultants and I would like to know > what the churches position is on this practice. I feel it would be a very > good experience for Priests preparing for a mission. > Can someone elaborate on this and perhaps if you've done it tell me of your > experience. > Thank you! > > Chuck Woodings, Ward Family History Consultant > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nancy, I guess that she is putting the ex-husband who is deceased as a spouse in nFS? If so, she should certainly indicate that they are divorced. She should be prayerful about exactly what she does other than his ordinances. If she comes to believe that she should be sealed to him, she would need to get a living recommend for Sealing to Spouse from the appropriate Priesthood which I believe is her Bishop and Stake President. Being a new member, I would advise her to fast and pray about this sort of thing to be sure this is what she should do. When I was a new member, I was divorced and dating a someone who was very kind and a generous person. He was opposed to the church though. My ex-husband was interested in the church and did eventually join but his repentance was short lived, though we remarried and were sealed in the temple. He attended the temple only once and then became inactive and never attended again. I can look back on it and realize that I never actually got a confirmation that I should take up the relationship with the ex-husband who had a history of being unkind and abusive and wish that I had done so. Perhaps it was still the right thing to do, but not having gotten the confirmation and then another divorce 20 years later makes one question whether or not it was. Nancy Scott -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nancy Gibert Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 05:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LDS-WC] temple work/permission Please help me answer a question for a new member. She wants to do the temple work of her ex-deceased husband. She feels very strongly that she needs to do the work. She knows she needs permission. His mother is still living. From reading the information below it looks like she can just get verbal permission. Is that correct? When we enter into newfamilysearch.org I am helping her add, so do I add him as her spouse but I will need to add divorce date right? Where to I indicate that she has permission? Thanks Nancy User's Guide to the New FamilySearch Website (20 February 2012) (LDS Version) Do I Need a Relative's Permission to Perform Ordinances? (110-Year Rule) Problem .When do I need to get permission to perform ordinances? .Which relative can give permission for ordinances to be performed? Resolution Before doing ordinances for a deceased person born in the last 110 years, please remember that close relatives may not want the ordinances performed, or they may want to do the ordinances themselves. You may do ordinances for your own deceased spouse, child, parent, or sibling, but please consider the wishes of other close living relatives, especially a living spouse. If you are not a spouse, child, parent, or sibling of the deceased, please obtain permission from the closest living relative before doing the ordinances. The closest living relatives are, in this order: an undivorced spouse (the spouse to whom the individual was married when he or she died), an adult child, a parent, or a brother or sister. Verbal approval is acceptable. Family members should work together to determine when the ordinances will be done and who will do them. with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know a sister may be a female may be sealed to  all she has been married to in this world, providing all have died. Now I have forgotten if she must be dead. Harry L. A CONSTITUTIONALIST WITH RADICAL VIEWS --- On Sun, 3/4/12, Megan Smith <[email protected]> wrote: From: Megan Smith <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple work/permission To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, March 4, 2012, 7:50 PM I don't believe that she can be sealed to a deceased spouse that she is currently divorced from - she would need to have her Bishop check the Handbook on that one. Megan Smith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nancy Scott Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 4:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple work/permission Nancy, I guess that she is putting the ex-husband who is deceased as a spouse in nFS?  If so, she should certainly indicate that they are divorced.  She should be prayerful about exactly what she does other than his ordinances. If she comes to believe that she should be sealed to him, she would need to get a living recommend for Sealing to Spouse from the appropriate Priesthood which I believe is her Bishop and Stake President.  Being a new member, I would advise her to fast and pray about this sort of thing to be sure this is what she should do. When I was a new member, I was divorced and dating a someone who was very kind and a generous person.  He was opposed to the church though.  My ex-husband was interested in the church and did eventually join but his repentance was short lived, though we remarried and were sealed in the temple.  He attended the temple only once and then became inactive and never attended again.  I can look back on it and realize that I never actually got a confirmation that I should take up the relationship with the ex-husband who had a history of being unkind and abusive and wish that I had done so. Perhaps it was still the right thing to do, but not having gotten the confirmation and then another divorce 20 years later makes one question whether or not it was. Nancy Scott -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nancy Gibert Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 05:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LDS-WC] temple work/permission Please help me answer a question for a new member.  She wants to do the temple work of her ex-deceased husband.  She feels very strongly that she needs to do the work.  She knows she needs permission.  His mother is still living.  From reading the information below it looks like she can just get verbal permission.  Is that correct?  When we enter into newfamilysearch.org I am helping her add, so do I add him as her spouse but I will need to add divorce date right?  Where to I indicate that she has permission? Thanks Nancy User's Guide to the New FamilySearch Website (20 February 2012) (LDS Version) Do I Need a Relative's Permission to Perform Ordinances? (110-Year Rule) Problem .When do I need to get permission to perform ordinances? .Which relative can give permission for ordinances to be performed? Resolution Before doing ordinances for a deceased person born in the last 110 years, please remember that close relatives may not want the ordinances performed, or they may want to do the ordinances themselves. You may do ordinances for your own deceased spouse, child, parent, or sibling, but please consider the wishes of other close living relatives, especially a living spouse. If you are not a spouse, child, parent, or sibling of the deceased, please obtain permission from the closest living relative before doing the ordinances. The closest living relatives are, in this order: an undivorced spouse (the spouse to whom the individual was married when he or she died), an adult child, a parent, or a brother or sister. Verbal approval is acceptable. Family members should work together to determine when the ordinances will be done and who will do them. with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't believe that she can be sealed to a deceased spouse that she is currently divorced from - she would need to have her Bishop check the Handbook on that one. Megan Smith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nancy Scott Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 4:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple work/permission Nancy, I guess that she is putting the ex-husband who is deceased as a spouse in nFS? If so, she should certainly indicate that they are divorced. She should be prayerful about exactly what she does other than his ordinances. If she comes to believe that she should be sealed to him, she would need to get a living recommend for Sealing to Spouse from the appropriate Priesthood which I believe is her Bishop and Stake President. Being a new member, I would advise her to fast and pray about this sort of thing to be sure this is what she should do. When I was a new member, I was divorced and dating a someone who was very kind and a generous person. He was opposed to the church though. My ex-husband was interested in the church and did eventually join but his repentance was short lived, though we remarried and were sealed in the temple. He attended the temple only once and then became inactive and never attended again. I can look back on it and realize that I never actually got a confirmation that I should take up the relationship with the ex-husband who had a history of being unkind and abusive and wish that I had done so. Perhaps it was still the right thing to do, but not having gotten the confirmation and then another divorce 20 years later makes one question whether or not it was. Nancy Scott -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nancy Gibert Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 05:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LDS-WC] temple work/permission Please help me answer a question for a new member. She wants to do the temple work of her ex-deceased husband. She feels very strongly that she needs to do the work. She knows she needs permission. His mother is still living. From reading the information below it looks like she can just get verbal permission. Is that correct? When we enter into newfamilysearch.org I am helping her add, so do I add him as her spouse but I will need to add divorce date right? Where to I indicate that she has permission? Thanks Nancy User's Guide to the New FamilySearch Website (20 February 2012) (LDS Version) Do I Need a Relative's Permission to Perform Ordinances? (110-Year Rule) Problem .When do I need to get permission to perform ordinances? .Which relative can give permission for ordinances to be performed? Resolution Before doing ordinances for a deceased person born in the last 110 years, please remember that close relatives may not want the ordinances performed, or they may want to do the ordinances themselves. You may do ordinances for your own deceased spouse, child, parent, or sibling, but please consider the wishes of other close living relatives, especially a living spouse. If you are not a spouse, child, parent, or sibling of the deceased, please obtain permission from the closest living relative before doing the ordinances. The closest living relatives are, in this order: an undivorced spouse (the spouse to whom the individual was married when he or she died), an adult child, a parent, or a brother or sister. Verbal approval is acceptable. Family members should work together to determine when the ordinances will be done and who will do them. with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a check box that the member must click on indicating they have permission from the nearest family member and are abiding by the rules set by the church. This comes up as you are preparing the name for temple ordinances. Miles Meyer On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Nancy Gibert <[email protected]>wrote: > Please help me answer a question for a new member. She wants to do the > temple work of her ex-deceased husband. She feels very strongly that she > needs to do the work. She knows she needs permission. His mother is still > living. From reading the information below it looks like she can just get > verbal permission. Is that correct? When we enter into > newfamilysearch.org > I am helping her add, so do I add him as her spouse but I will need to add > divorce date right? Where to I indicate that she has permission? > Thanks > Nancy > > User's Guide to the New FamilySearch Website (20 February 2012) > > (LDS Version) Do I Need a Relative's Permission to Perform Ordinances? > (110-Year Rule) > > Problem > .When do I need to get permission to perform ordinances? > .Which relative can give permission for ordinances to be performed? > > Resolution > > Before doing ordinances for a deceased person born in the last 110 years, > please remember that close relatives may not want the ordinances performed, > or they may want to do the ordinances themselves. > > > You may do ordinances for your own deceased spouse, child, parent, or > sibling, but please consider the wishes of other close living relatives, > especially a living spouse. > > If you are not a spouse, child, parent, or sibling of the deceased, please > obtain permission from the closest living relative before doing the > ordinances. The closest living relatives are, in this order: an undivorced > spouse (the spouse to whom the individual was married when he or she died), > an adult child, a parent, or a brother or sister. > > Verbal approval is acceptable. Family members should work together to > determine when the ordinances will be done and who will do them. > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Please help me answer a question for a new member. She wants to do the temple work of her ex-deceased husband. She feels very strongly that she needs to do the work. She knows she needs permission. His mother is still living. From reading the information below it looks like she can just get verbal permission. Is that correct? When we enter into newfamilysearch.org I am helping her add, so do I add him as her spouse but I will need to add divorce date right? Where to I indicate that she has permission? Thanks Nancy User's Guide to the New FamilySearch Website (20 February 2012) (LDS Version) Do I Need a Relative's Permission to Perform Ordinances? (110-Year Rule) Problem .When do I need to get permission to perform ordinances? .Which relative can give permission for ordinances to be performed? Resolution Before doing ordinances for a deceased person born in the last 110 years, please remember that close relatives may not want the ordinances performed, or they may want to do the ordinances themselves. You may do ordinances for your own deceased spouse, child, parent, or sibling, but please consider the wishes of other close living relatives, especially a living spouse. If you are not a spouse, child, parent, or sibling of the deceased, please obtain permission from the closest living relative before doing the ordinances. The closest living relatives are, in this order: an undivorced spouse (the spouse to whom the individual was married when he or she died), an adult child, a parent, or a brother or sister. Verbal approval is acceptable. Family members should work together to determine when the ordinances will be done and who will do them. with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The rules are 110 yrs now to do temple work for someone in the last 110 year,and the line of authority to do temple is # 1 undivorced spouse, then #2 adult children,#3 parents, then #4 siblings. You need to get permission since you are divorced from his adult children or his parents and if they are not living then next in line is siblings. Sister Harris On 3/4/2012 3:24 PM, Miles Meyer wrote: > There is a check box that the member must click on indicating they have > permission from the nearest family member and are abiding by the rules set > by the church. This comes up as you are preparing the name for temple > ordinances. > > Miles Meyer > > > On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Nancy Gibert<[email protected]>wrote: > >> Please help me answer a question for a new member. She wants to do the >> temple work of her ex-deceased husband. She feels very strongly that she >> needs to do the work. She knows she needs permission. His mother is still >> living. From reading the information below it looks like she can just get >> verbal permission. Is that correct? When we enter into >> newfamilysearch.org >> I am helping her add, so do I add him as her spouse but I will need to add >> divorce date right? Where to I indicate that she has permission? >> Thanks >> Nancy >> >> User's Guide to the New FamilySearch Website (20 February 2012) >> (LDS Version) Do I Need a Relative's Permission to Perform Ordinances? >> (110-Year Rule) >> >> Problem >> .When do I need to get permission to perform ordinances? >> .Which relative can give permission for ordinances to be performed? >> >> Resolution >> >> Before doing ordinances for a deceased person born in the last 110 years, >> please remember that close relatives may not want the ordinances performed, >> or they may want to do the ordinances themselves. >> >> >> You may do ordinances for your own deceased spouse, child, parent, or >> sibling, but please consider the wishes of other close living relatives, >> especially a living spouse. >> >> If you are not a spouse, child, parent, or sibling of the deceased, please >> obtain permission from the closest living relative before doing the >> ordinances. The closest living relatives are, in this order: an undivorced >> spouse (the spouse to whom the individual was married when he or she died), >> an adult child, a parent, or a brother or sister. >> >> Verbal approval is acceptable. Family members should work together to >> determine when the ordinances will be done and who will do them. >> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the message >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

In the Church News annoucement today, the bishops are to POST the letter on the bulletin boards in their units. David Samuelsen On 3/3/2012 9:25 AM, Nancy Scott wrote: > My husband found a news release regarding a church statement that is to be > read in Sacrament tomorrow regarding restrictions on Holocaust victims and > celebrities. I updated my 3x5 submission cards to include this statement > and resent to those who asked for it. If I missed you and you want the > updated card, please send me a request to: > > > > [email protected] > > > > subject: > > 3x5 Submission Card Update > > > > > > Here is a link to one release: > > > > http://www.heraldextra.com/news/state-and-regional/utah/mormon-church-to-war > n-members-of-proxy-baptisms/article_26ef0f72-cb09-5cf0-ab99-c368b9a96b2b.htm > l > > > > Nancy Scott > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My husband found a news release regarding a church statement that is to be read in Sacrament tomorrow regarding restrictions on Holocaust victims and celebrities. I updated my 3x5 submission cards to include this statement and resent to those who asked for it. If I missed you and you want the updated card, please send me a request to: [email protected] subject: 3x5 Submission Card Update Here is a link to one release: http://www.heraldextra.com/news/state-and-regional/utah/mormon-church-to-war n-members-of-proxy-baptisms/article_26ef0f72-cb09-5cf0-ab99-c368b9a96b2b.htm l Nancy Scott

Karen, Yes, it can be done under certain circumstances. I had a dear friend who worked in the recorder's office who had actually gone through the process of clearing pre-1500 names for someone to do. They make it a firm guideline so they can check. And it doesn't apply to some Asian countries where the records were better. Jerry ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:27:49 -0600 From: Karen Tippets <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] European records chronology To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If someone suddenly runs across estate records in some country of their ancestral origin that go back pre-1500 documenting the people's lives who lived on the estate, I'm sure the Medieval department would be happy to allow the family to work on getting the Temple work done, after checking to make absolutely sure it isn't a duplication of records already being worked on somewhere. It's not like they say, "No, you absolutely can't", but more like "There's not much we haven't already gotten access to, so check first." To my mind, that sounds perfectly reasonable, but obviously there's lots of folks out there that want to re-invent the wheel *their* way. Karen __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6932 (20120302) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

If someone suddenly runs across estate records in some country of their ancestral origin that go back pre-1500 documenting the people's lives who lived on the estate, I'm sure the Medieval department would be happy to allow the family to work on getting the Temple work done, after checking to make absolutely sure it isn't a duplication of records already being worked on somewhere. It's not like they say, "No, you absolutely can't", but more like "There's not much we haven't already gotten access to, so check first." To my mind, that sounds perfectly reasonable, but obviously there's lots of folks out there that want to re-invent the wheel *their* way. Karen On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Jerry Cowley <[email protected]> wrote: > I KNOW the policy and about the superb work of the Medieval group that > cleared this particular sector of names. The background discussion I heard > was about WHEN the vast majority of Europe began keeping records. It's > tangential to the policy, but helped me understand how things developed the > way they did. I just can't remember which pope. > > The Internet sites I've visited suggest that the struggle between Henry > VIII, his marriage issues, and the pope of record led to a general order > that the parishes must keep records. That would be about 1520-1530 or so. > If, so, then in a backhanded way, we owe Henry VIII and the pope a thank > you. (Not that it wouldn't have happened anyway.) 1500 was also > pre-Renaissance, pre-Reformation in England, when Europe was beginning to > emerge from the Medieval Age, so these events may not have been directly > related. > > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2108400/Vatican-exhibition-The-threa > tening-letter-sent-Pope-asking-annul-Henry-VIIIs-marriage.html > > There's an exhibit of documents from this period of time as well. > > Thanks everyone > Jerry > > ------------------------------------------------- > > The actual policy is: > Pre-1500 names. Because there is already much duplication of this work, > members can submit names of persons who lived before 1500 A. D. only by > contacting FamilySearch Support at contact.familysearch.org. This does not > apply to individuals born before A.D. 1500 in China, Korea, Taiwan, > Singapore, or Malaysia, who may be submitted without permission. > > Please continue following Church policies regarding temple submissions, > since these still apply in the new FamilySearch. For example, pre-1500 > names > need Family History Department permission; pre-200 names need permission > from the First Presidency; individuals born in the last 110 years need > permission from the closest living relative (order: spouse, children, > parents, siblings). Refrain from submitting famous people, royalty, or > Jewish Holocaust victims, and refrain from submitting names with estimated > information or no date or place, which increases the likelihood of > duplication. It is better to take more time researching before submitting > inaccurate or estimated information for temple work. > > Shanna > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 6929 (20120301) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just one!

I KNOW the policy and about the superb work of the Medieval group that cleared this particular sector of names. The background discussion I heard was about WHEN the vast majority of Europe began keeping records. It's tangential to the policy, but helped me understand how things developed the way they did. I just can't remember which pope. The Internet sites I've visited suggest that the struggle between Henry VIII, his marriage issues, and the pope of record led to a general order that the parishes must keep records. That would be about 1520-1530 or so. If, so, then in a backhanded way, we owe Henry VIII and the pope a thank you. (Not that it wouldn't have happened anyway.) 1500 was also pre-Renaissance, pre-Reformation in England, when Europe was beginning to emerge from the Medieval Age, so these events may not have been directly related. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2108400/Vatican-exhibition-The-threa tening-letter-sent-Pope-asking-annul-Henry-VIIIs-marriage.html There's an exhibit of documents from this period of time as well. Thanks everyone Jerry ------------------------------------------------- The actual policy is: Pre-1500 names. Because there is already much duplication of this work, members can submit names of persons who lived before 1500 A. D. only by contacting FamilySearch Support at contact.familysearch.org. This does not apply to individuals born before A.D. 1500 in China, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, or Malaysia, who may be submitted without permission. Please continue following Church policies regarding temple submissions, since these still apply in the new FamilySearch. For example, pre-1500 names need Family History Department permission; pre-200 names need permission from the First Presidency; individuals born in the last 110 years need permission from the closest living relative (order: spouse, children, parents, siblings). Refrain from submitting famous people, royalty, or Jewish Holocaust victims, and refrain from submitting names with estimated information or no date or place, which increases the likelihood of duplication. It is better to take more time researching before submitting inaccurate or estimated information for temple work. Shanna __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6929 (20120301) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

The actual policy is: Pre-1500 names. Because there is already much duplication of this work, members can submit names of persons who lived before 1500 A. D. only by contacting FamilySearch Support at contact.familysearch.org. This does not apply to individuals born before A.D. 1500 in China, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, or Malaysia, who may be submitted without permission. Please continue following Church policies regarding temple submissions, since these still apply in the new FamilySearch. For example, pre-1500 names need Family History Department permission; pre-200 names need permission from the First Presidency; individuals born in the last 110 years need permission from the closest living relative (order: spouse, children, parents, siblings). Refrain from submitting famous people, royalty, or Jewish Holocaust victims, and refrain from submitting names with estimated information or no date or place, which increases the likelihood of duplication. It is better to take more time researching before submitting inaccurate or estimated information for temple work. Shanna -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerry Cowley Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 11:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LDS-WC] European records chronology I had someone ask why we couldn't submit birth records prior to 1500 the other day. I remember its having something to do with whoever was pope issuing a decree that the parishes keep records sometime in the 1500s. (And true to human nature, some had already begun and some didn't bother for awhile.) What I can't put my finger on is the name of the Pope and the year of the decree. From what I'm finding on the Internet, it may have had something to do with Henry VII. Thanks everyone, Jerry

I had someone ask why we couldn't submit birth records prior to 1500 the other day. I remember its having something to do with whoever was pope issuing a decree that the parishes keep records sometime in the 1500s. (And true to human nature, some had already begun and some didn't bother for awhile.) What I can't put my finger on is the name of the Pope and the year of the decree. From what I'm finding on the Internet, it may have had something to do with Henry VII. Thanks everyone, Jerry __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6925 (20120229) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com