Karen, what you say makes sense. If records _were_ being checked, I wonder who is checking them. And HOW. Individual records are only part of a more complete family history, where multiple records are combined and made sense of (especially when mutually conflicting). Also, I think extracted (indexed) records are being released without any consistency check. Yesterday, I witnessed a number of baptisms of people called "Je." Per extraction rules, abbreviations are to be typed as written on the original records. BUT, everyone knows that "Je" is short for "Jose" -- just like "Wm" is short for "William." -----Mensagem Original----- From: Karen Jorgensen Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 1:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LDS-WC] Extracted records released to the Temple Glen Parker <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 To: <[email protected]> Glen said: "I see by some of the posts that extracted records are being released to the Temple. Are these records being checked for duplicates on new Family Search before they are released?" I disagree with the previous answer that they are checked for duplicates. I find marriage extraction records all the time that have to be merged with previously entered info and/or individuals who have had their temple ordinances completed. As an example, I was looking just last week at the NFS entry for my great-grandmother and great grandfather, whose ordinances I did 30 years ago. I searched for duplicates and found that they had an extracted marriage record in NFS. So I merged them. Again, I find this often, and I don't understand even why extraction programs are entered into NFS anyway. Yes, the extracted marriages I find (including my great-grandmother and great grandfather) did not have their temple ordinances done. But why do they put the outcome of an extraction project into NFS? Why don't they put it in a FAMILY SEARCH program? I always feel lucky that these extracted marriages don't have temple ordinances done for them. But they do create a second entry for an individual and their spouse, with no surrounding family. I would like to have a list for the county I am working in of the extracted marriages so that I can go through and merge them before someone comes along and does their temple work. But this is a problem to me. Karen ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, March 27, 2012 2:01:11 AM Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 71 Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] If you prefer the digest version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to restrict the size of your post. Today's Topics: 1. Re: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 (Glen Parker) 2. Re: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 (Randy Bryson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 06:57:24 -0600 From: Glen Parker <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I see by some of the posts that extracted records are being release to the Temple. Are these records being checked for duplicates on new Family Search before they are released? > From: [email protected] > Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:01:05 -0600 > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >[email protected] If you prefer the digest >version, >use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to >restrict >the size of your post. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: releasing names to Temples (Shanna Jones) > 2. Re: releasing names to Temples ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:01:58 -0600 > From: Shanna Jones <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Q: > Then there are the thousands upon thousands of names which were converted > to "in progress" or more currently "Family Search" or "Unknown" when the > temples took the cards on hand in their cupboards and transferred them to > NFS back in 2007-2008. I still have an 8 page print out of names waiting > to > be released from that limbo. :-) > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new > FamilySearch > became available, and these cards display as reserved by "Unknown" or by > "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status of the ordinance, it > may be possible to release the reservation on a particular person, > allowing > you to reserve it and perform the ordinances. Please contact Support, and > they will assist you. > > Extraction records that show "Ready" can be reserved by you even though > they > say they are reserved by the FamilySearch Extraction Program. > See Knowledge Document 109130 > or search Help Center "reserved by unknown" > > Shanna Jones > St. George > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:34:04 -0400 (EDT) > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Yep. I spoke with them. Sent them the excel file with all the PIDs and > names and may 1/10 th were released if that. That's been almost a year > ago. > :-) > > BTW It isn't just me. Back in 2009 when I realized what was happening > and > spoke to > SL engineers (not missionaries, not local helpers), they just gasped in > the realization that every single temple up to that time had the same > challenge with the slips already printed. This isn't an isolated > problem. I >just > > can't believe there isn't a way to fix it. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 3/25/2012 4:04:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new > FamilySearch > became available, and these cards display as reserved by "Unknown" or by > "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status of the ordinance, it > may be possible to release the reservation on a particular person, > allowing > you to reserve it and perform the ordinances. Please contact Support, and > they will assist you. > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an email > to >[email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of >the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 > ************************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:18:37 +0000 From: Randy Bryson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes. It's built in. Randy Bryson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen Parker Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 6:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 I see by some of the posts that extracted records are being release to the Temple. Are these records being checked for duplicates on new Family Search before they are released? > From: [email protected] > Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:01:05 -0600 > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >[email protected] If you prefer the digest >version, >use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to >restrict >the size of your post. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: releasing names to Temples (Shanna Jones) > 2. Re: releasing names to Temples ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:01:58 -0600 > From: Shanna Jones <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Q: > Then there are the thousands upon thousands of names which were > converted to "in progress" or more currently "Family Search" or > "Unknown" when the temples took the cards on hand in their cupboards > and transferred them to NFS back in 2007-2008. I still have an 8 > page print out of names waiting to > be released from that limbo. :-) > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new > FamilySearch became available, and these cards display as reserved by > "Unknown" or by "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status > of the ordinance, it may be possible to release the reservation on a > particular person, allowing you to reserve it and perform the > ordinances. Please contact Support, and they will assist you. > > Extraction records that show "Ready" can be reserved by you even > though they say they are reserved by the FamilySearch Extraction Program. > See Knowledge Document 109130 > or search Help Center "reserved by unknown" > > Shanna Jones > St. George > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:34:04 -0400 (EDT) > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Yep. I spoke with them. Sent them the excel file with all the PIDs > and names and may 1/10 th were released if that. That's been almost a > year >ago. > :-) > > BTW It isn't just me. Back in 2009 when I realized what was happening > and spoke to SL engineers (not missionaries, not local helpers), they > just gasped in the realization that every single temple up to that > time had the same challenge with the slips already printed. This > isn't an isolated problem. I just can't believe there isn't a way to > fix it. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 3/25/2012 4:04:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new > FamilySearch became available, and these cards display as reserved by > "Unknown" or by "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status > of the ordinance, it may be possible to release the reservation on a > particular person, allowing you to reserve it and perform the > ordinances. 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my friend swope a family that was extracted way back then and is going to finish all remaining ordinances. He found them only yesterday after spending months looking for the family in his line. David Samuelsen On 3/28/2012 11:42 AM, Jerry Cowley wrote: > First, according to my best information, records are no longer being > extracted for temple work. We're indexing instead, and the burden is back > on the members. > > Extracted records were authorized to keep all the temples going that we've > been building in recent years because the member submissions didn't keep up. > Duplicated ordinances weren't considered to be a big concern way back then.

Couple of things here. First, according to my best information, records are no longer being extracted for temple work. We're indexing instead, and the burden is back on the members. Extracted records were authorized to keep all the temples going that we've been building in recent years because the member submissions didn't keep up. Duplicated ordinances weren't considered to be a big concern way back then. Now my father's line was not LDS and little work was done on it except extraction. Towards the end of the extraction phase, I noticed that names I had already done were being extracted and added. My understanding, after I asked questions, was that the way it was originally set up, the extracted records went straight in. The computer only matched exact records, so not all the submissions lined up. If a woman's name showed up with her married name and her maiden name, for example, someone had to combine it mechanically. The result was some hit and miss work. Some couples were sealed (an extracted marriage record) before their birth extraction caught up with things. So their basic ordinances were left undone for awhile. From a birth record, the child might be sealed before his parents were. I've spent decades filling in the missing elements on this line. I'm grateful for the work that was done that I don't have to arrange for, don't get me wrong. But some of the date sequences look a little strange. That's OK. I believe extraction was inspired for its time. Extraction provided far fewer duplications than careless member submissions ever did. Formerly, about a third of member submissions were duplicates. Now checking is easier, and so many resources are available to members from their own homes, the responsibility again falls on the members. As I synch my records, I'm try to combine what's left. Thanks to all our extractors and temple attendees for all the help that extraction brought us. By the way, I read once that the program was adopted while Gordon B. Hinckley was an apostle supervising the work. Jerry __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7007 (20120328) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

<< BUT, everyone knows that "Je" is short for "Jose" -- just like "Wm" is short for "William." Since I have no Joses in my family, I had not idea that "Je" is short for Jose!    Carol Everett Cary, NC       -----Mensagem Original----- From: Karen Jorgensen Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 1:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LDS-WC] Extracted records released to the Temple Glen Parker <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 To: <[email protected]> Glen said: "I  see by some of the posts that extracted records are being released to the Temple.  Are these records being checked for duplicates on new  Family Search before they are released?" I disagree with the previous answer that they are checked for duplicates. I find marriage extraction records all the time that have to be merged with previously entered info and/or individuals who have had their temple ordinances completed. As an example, I was looking just last week at the NFS entry for my great-grandmother and great grandfather, whose ordinances I did 30 years ago. I searched for duplicates and found that they had an extracted marriage record in NFS. So I merged them. Again, I find this often, and I don't understand even why extraction programs are entered into NFS anyway. Yes, the extracted marriages I find (including my great-grandmother and great grandfather) did not have their temple ordinances done. But why do they put the outcome of an extraction project into NFS? Why don't they put it in a FAMILY SEARCH program? I always feel lucky that these extracted marriages don't have temple ordinances done for them. But they do create a second entry for an individual and their spouse, with no surrounding family. I would like to have a list for the county I am working in of the extracted marriages so that I can go through and merge them before someone comes along and does their temple work. But this is a problem to me. Karen ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, March 27, 2012 2:01:11 AM Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 71 Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected]  If you prefer the digest version, use a D instead of the L in the request address.  Please remember to restrict the size of your post. Today's Topics:   1. Re: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 (Glen Parker)   2. Re: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 (Randy Bryson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 06:57:24 -0600 From: Glen Parker <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I see by some of the posts that extracted records are being release to the Temple.  Are these records being checked for duplicates on new Family Search before they are released? > From: [email protected] > Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:01:05 -0600 > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >[email protected]  If you prefer the digest >version, >use a D instead of the L in the request address.  Please remember to >restrict >the size of your post. > > > Today's Topics: > >    1. Re: releasing names to Temples (Shanna Jones) >    2. Re: releasing names to Temples ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:01:58 -0600 > From: Shanna Jones <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Q: > Then there are the thousands upon  thousands of names which were converted > to "in progress" or more currently  "Family Search" or "Unknown" when the > temples took the cards on hand in their  cupboards and transferred them to > NFS back in 2007-2008.  I still have an 8  page print out of names waiting > to > be released from that limbo.  :-) > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new > FamilySearch > became available, and these cards display as reserved by "Unknown" or by > "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status of the ordinance, it > may be possible to release the reservation on a particular person, > allowing > you to reserve it and perform the ordinances. Please contact Support, and > they will assist you. > > Extraction records that show "Ready" can be reserved by you even though > they > say they are reserved by the FamilySearch Extraction Program. > See Knowledge Document 109130 > or search Help Center "reserved by unknown" > > Shanna Jones > St. George > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:34:04 -0400 (EDT) > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Yep.  I spoke with them.  Sent them the excel file with all the  PIDs and > names and may 1/10 th were released if that.  That's been almost a  year > ago. >  :-) > > BTW It isn't just me.  Back in 2009 when I realized what was happening > and > spoke to > SL engineers (not missionaries, not local helpers), they just  gasped in > the realization that every single temple up to that time had the same > challenge with the slips already printed.  This isn't an isolated > problem.  I >just > > can't believe there isn't a way to fix it. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 3/25/2012 4:04:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > A: Some  older cards were released to the temple before the new > FamilySearch > became  available, and these cards display as reserved by "Unknown" or by > "LDS  Church Temple Records." Depending on the status of the ordinance, it > may be  possible to release the reservation on a particular person, > allowing > you to  reserve it and perform the ordinances. Please contact Support, and > they  will assist you. > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an email > to >[email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of >the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 > ************************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:18:37 +0000 From: Randy Bryson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 To: "[email protected]"     <[email protected]> Message-ID:     <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes. It's built in. Randy Bryson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen Parker Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 6:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 I see by some of the posts that extracted records are being release to the Temple.  Are these records being checked for duplicates on new Family Search before they are released? > From: [email protected] > Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:01:05 -0600 > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >[email protected]  If you prefer the digest >version, >use a D instead of the L in the request address.  Please remember to >restrict >the size of your post. > > > Today's Topics: > >    1. Re: releasing names to Temples (Shanna Jones) >    2. Re: releasing names to Temples ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:01:58 -0600 > From: Shanna Jones <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Q: > Then there are the thousands upon  thousands of names which were > converted to "in progress" or more currently  "Family Search" or > "Unknown" when the temples took the cards on hand in their  cupboards > and transferred them to NFS back in 2007-2008.  I still have an 8 > page print out of names waiting to > be released from that limbo.  :-) > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new > FamilySearch became available, and these cards display as reserved by > "Unknown" or by "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status > of the ordinance, it may be possible to release the reservation on a > particular person, allowing you to reserve it and perform the > ordinances. Please contact Support, and they will assist you. > > Extraction records that show "Ready" can be reserved by you even > though they say they are reserved by the FamilySearch Extraction Program. > See Knowledge Document 109130 > or search Help Center "reserved by unknown" > > Shanna Jones > St. George > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:34:04 -0400 (EDT) > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Yep.  I spoke with them.  Sent them the excel file with all the  PIDs > and names and may 1/10 th were released if that.  That's been almost a > year >ago. >  :-) > > BTW It isn't just me.  Back in 2009 when I realized what was happening > and spoke to SL engineers (not missionaries, not local helpers), they > just  gasped in the realization that every single temple up to that > time had the same challenge with the slips already printed.  This > isn't an isolated  problem.  I just can't believe there isn't a way to > fix it. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 3/25/2012 4:04:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > A: Some  older cards were released to the temple before the new > FamilySearch became  available, and these cards display as reserved by > "Unknown" or by "LDS  Church Temple Records." Depending on the status > of the ordinance, it may be  possible to release the reservation on a > particular person, allowing you to  reserve it and perform the > ordinances. 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Glen Parker <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 To: <[email protected]> Glen said: "I see by some of the posts that extracted records are being released to the Temple. Are these records being checked for duplicates on new Family Search before they are released?" I disagree with the previous answer that they are checked for duplicates. I find marriage extraction records all the time that have to be merged with previously entered info and/or individuals who have had their temple ordinances completed. As an example, I was looking just last week at the NFS entry for my great-grandmother and great grandfather, whose ordinances I did 30 years ago. I searched for duplicates and found that they had an extracted marriage record in NFS. So I merged them. Again, I find this often, and I don't understand even why extraction programs are entered into NFS anyway. Yes, the extracted marriages I find (including my great-grandmother and great grandfather) did not have their temple ordinances done. But why do they put the outcome of an extraction project into NFS? Why don't they put it in a FAMILY SEARCH program? I always feel lucky that these extracted marriages don't have temple ordinances done for them. But they do create a second entry for an individual and their spouse, with no surrounding family. I would like to have a list for the county I am working in of the extracted marriages so that I can go through and merge them before someone comes along and does their temple work. But this is a problem to me. Karen ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, March 27, 2012 2:01:11 AM Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 71 Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] If you prefer the digest version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to restrict the size of your post. Today's Topics: 1. Re: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 (Glen Parker) 2. Re: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 (Randy Bryson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 06:57:24 -0600 From: Glen Parker <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I see by some of the posts that extracted records are being release to the Temple. Are these records being checked for duplicates on new Family Search before they are released? > From: [email protected] > Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:01:05 -0600 > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >[email protected] If you prefer the digest version, >use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to restrict >the size of your post. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: releasing names to Temples (Shanna Jones) > 2. Re: releasing names to Temples ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:01:58 -0600 > From: Shanna Jones <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Q: > Then there are the thousands upon thousands of names which were converted > to "in progress" or more currently "Family Search" or "Unknown" when the > temples took the cards on hand in their cupboards and transferred them to > NFS back in 2007-2008. I still have an 8 page print out of names waiting > to > be released from that limbo. :-) > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new FamilySearch > became available, and these cards display as reserved by "Unknown" or by > "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status of the ordinance, it > may be possible to release the reservation on a particular person, allowing > you to reserve it and perform the ordinances. Please contact Support, and > they will assist you. > > Extraction records that show "Ready" can be reserved by you even though they > say they are reserved by the FamilySearch Extraction Program. > See Knowledge Document 109130 > or search Help Center "reserved by unknown" > > Shanna Jones > St. George > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:34:04 -0400 (EDT) > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Yep. I spoke with them. Sent them the excel file with all the PIDs and > names and may 1/10 th were released if that. That's been almost a year ago. > :-) > > BTW It isn't just me. Back in 2009 when I realized what was happening and > spoke to > SL engineers (not missionaries, not local helpers), they just gasped in > the realization that every single temple up to that time had the same > challenge with the slips already printed. This isn't an isolated problem. I >just > > can't believe there isn't a way to fix it. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 3/25/2012 4:04:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new FamilySearch > became available, and these cards display as reserved by "Unknown" or by > "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status of the ordinance, it > may be possible to release the reservation on a particular person, allowing > you to reserve it and perform the ordinances. Please contact Support, and > they will assist you. > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an email to >[email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 > ************************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:18:37 +0000 From: Randy Bryson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes. It's built in. Randy Bryson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen Parker Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 6:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 I see by some of the posts that extracted records are being release to the Temple. Are these records being checked for duplicates on new Family Search before they are released? > From: [email protected] > Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:01:05 -0600 > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >[email protected] If you prefer the digest version, >use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to restrict >the size of your post. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: releasing names to Temples (Shanna Jones) > 2. Re: releasing names to Temples ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:01:58 -0600 > From: Shanna Jones <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Q: > Then there are the thousands upon thousands of names which were > converted to "in progress" or more currently "Family Search" or > "Unknown" when the temples took the cards on hand in their cupboards > and transferred them to NFS back in 2007-2008. I still have an 8 > page print out of names waiting to > be released from that limbo. :-) > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new > FamilySearch became available, and these cards display as reserved by > "Unknown" or by "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status > of the ordinance, it may be possible to release the reservation on a > particular person, allowing you to reserve it and perform the > ordinances. Please contact Support, and they will assist you. > > Extraction records that show "Ready" can be reserved by you even > though they say they are reserved by the FamilySearch Extraction Program. > See Knowledge Document 109130 > or search Help Center "reserved by unknown" > > Shanna Jones > St. George > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:34:04 -0400 (EDT) > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Yep. I spoke with them. Sent them the excel file with all the PIDs > and names and may 1/10 th were released if that. That's been almost a year >ago. > :-) > > BTW It isn't just me. Back in 2009 when I realized what was happening > and spoke to SL engineers (not missionaries, not local helpers), they > just gasped in the realization that every single temple up to that > time had the same challenge with the slips already printed. This > isn't an isolated problem. I just can't believe there isn't a way to > fix it. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 3/25/2012 4:04:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new > FamilySearch became available, and these cards display as reserved by > "Unknown" or by "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status > of the ordinance, it may be possible to release the reservation on a > particular person, allowing you to reserve it and perform the > ordinances. Please contact Support, and they will assist you. > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email > to [email protected] > > To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an email to >[email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the email with no additional text. > > > End of LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 > ************************************************** Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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For a keynote speaker selection, I can list some things to be considered which I have learned through experience.  Now, these are the things I focus on. What is your goal for the keynote speaker?  Is there a certain area or topic you would like presented?  What do you want your audience to gain from this speaker -- information? motivation? Testimony of genealogy? Is your audience going to include the community members or be geared to stake and ward members? The answers to these questions will guide you in your selection of a keynote speaker.  I chose to consider my keynote speaker as a teacher of our first seminar class with information that would be interesting to all in attendance.  It had to have something for the beginner in family history as well as the advanced.  I thought a topic that would interest everyone was "Where is FamilySearch going in 2012?"  or "What new clues are we going to find in the1940 census that will help us with our family history?"  Our seminar welcomed community members and I wanted all to leave feeling they had gained something from their first class and look forward to their next classes. I considered inviting someone from our genealogical society.  They are very knowledgeable and some have a delightful way of communicating with an audience.  It helps to attend their meetings and get to know and hear these people present.  I also considered inviting some from a main family history center who does a lot of training.  There may also be people in your own ward or stake or neighboring stake that is an exciting speaker and who has a love for family history.  If you are going to have a large attendance 600+ see if Salt Lake could assist.  This would have to be done far in advance.  After considering everything, listen and follow the Spirit. Evelyn Kleinman Las Vegas --- On Tue, 3/27/12, RAY FRIESS <[email protected]> wrote: From: RAY FRIESS <[email protected]> Subject: [LDS-WC] keynote speakers To: "lds-ward-consultant" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 8:16 AM We just got done holding a special meeting for existing indexers and those interesting in getting involved in indexing, includingfor the 1940 census project.  Afterwards our stake indexing leader began talking to some of us consultants about putting on astake or multi-stake family history seminar. We are wondering where and how others arranged for keynote speakers.  Did you contact the family history center, church headquarters,or other places? Would appreciate ideas and suggestions.                           Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We just got done holding a special meeting for existing indexers and those interesting in getting involved in indexing, includingfor the 1940 census project. Afterwards our stake indexing leader began talking to some of us consultants about putting on astake or multi-stake family history seminar. We are wondering where and how others arranged for keynote speakers. Did you contact the family history center, church headquarters,or other places? Would appreciate ideas and suggestions.

Yes. It's built in. Randy Bryson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen Parker Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 6:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 I see by some of the posts that extracted records are being release to the Temple. Are these records being checked for duplicates on new Family Search before they are released? > From: [email protected] > Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:01:05 -0600 > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] If you prefer the digest version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to restrict the size of your post. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: releasing names to Temples (Shanna Jones) > 2. Re: releasing names to Temples ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:01:58 -0600 > From: Shanna Jones <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Q: > Then there are the thousands upon thousands of names which were > converted to "in progress" or more currently "Family Search" or > "Unknown" when the temples took the cards on hand in their cupboards > and transferred them to NFS back in 2007-2008. I still have an 8 > page print out of names waiting to > be released from that limbo. :-) > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new > FamilySearch became available, and these cards display as reserved by > "Unknown" or by "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status > of the ordinance, it may be possible to release the reservation on a > particular person, allowing you to reserve it and perform the > ordinances. Please contact Support, and they will assist you. > > Extraction records that show "Ready" can be reserved by you even > though they say they are reserved by the FamilySearch Extraction Program. > See Knowledge Document 109130 > or search Help Center "reserved by unknown" > > Shanna Jones > St. George > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:34:04 -0400 (EDT) > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Yep. I spoke with them. Sent them the excel file with all the PIDs > and names and may 1/10 th were released if that. That's been almost a year ago. > :-) > > BTW It isn't just me. Back in 2009 when I realized what was happening > and spoke to SL engineers (not missionaries, not local helpers), they > just gasped in the realization that every single temple up to that > time had the same challenge with the slips already printed. This > isn't an isolated problem. I just can't believe there isn't a way to > fix it. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 3/25/2012 4:04:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new > FamilySearch became available, and these cards display as reserved by > "Unknown" or by "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status > of the ordinance, it may be possible to release the reservation on a > particular person, allowing you to reserve it and perform the > ordinances. Please contact Support, and they will assist you. > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email > to [email protected] > > To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the email with no additional text. > > > End of LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 > ************************************************** Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.

I see by some of the posts that extracted records are being release to the Temple. Are these records being checked for duplicates on new Family Search before they are released? > From: [email protected] > Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:01:05 -0600 > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] If you prefer the digest version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to restrict the size of your post. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: releasing names to Temples (Shanna Jones) > 2. Re: releasing names to Temples ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:01:58 -0600 > From: Shanna Jones <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Q: > Then there are the thousands upon thousands of names which were converted > to "in progress" or more currently "Family Search" or "Unknown" when the > temples took the cards on hand in their cupboards and transferred them to > NFS back in 2007-2008. I still have an 8 page print out of names waiting > to > be released from that limbo. :-) > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new FamilySearch > became available, and these cards display as reserved by "Unknown" or by > "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status of the ordinance, it > may be possible to release the reservation on a particular person, allowing > you to reserve it and perform the ordinances. Please contact Support, and > they will assist you. > > Extraction records that show "Ready" can be reserved by you even though they > say they are reserved by the FamilySearch Extraction Program. > See Knowledge Document 109130 > or search Help Center "reserved by unknown" > > Shanna Jones > St. George > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:34:04 -0400 (EDT) > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Yep. I spoke with them. Sent them the excel file with all the PIDs and > names and may 1/10 th were released if that. That's been almost a year ago. > :-) > > BTW It isn't just me. Back in 2009 when I realized what was happening and > spoke to > SL engineers (not missionaries, not local helpers), they just gasped in > the realization that every single temple up to that time had the same > challenge with the slips already printed. This isn't an isolated problem. I just > can't believe there isn't a way to fix it. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 3/25/2012 4:04:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new FamilySearch > became available, and these cards display as reserved by "Unknown" or by > "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status of the ordinance, it > may be possible to release the reservation on a particular person, allowing > you to reserve it and perform the ordinances. Please contact Support, and > they will assist you. > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 > **************************************************

Yep. I spoke with them. Sent them the excel file with all the PIDs and names and may 1/10 th were released if that. That's been almost a year ago. :-) BTW It isn't just me. Back in 2009 when I realized what was happening and spoke to SL engineers (not missionaries, not local helpers), they just gasped in the realization that every single temple up to that time had the same challenge with the slips already printed. This isn't an isolated problem. I just can't believe there isn't a way to fix it. Michele In a message dated 3/25/2012 4:04:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new FamilySearch became available, and these cards display as reserved by "Unknown" or by "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status of the ordinance, it may be possible to release the reservation on a particular person, allowing you to reserve it and perform the ordinances. Please contact Support, and they will assist you.

Q: Then there are the thousands upon thousands of names which were converted to "in progress" or more currently "Family Search" or "Unknown" when the temples took the cards on hand in their cupboards and transferred them to NFS back in 2007-2008. I still have an 8 page print out of names waiting to be released from that limbo. :-) A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new FamilySearch became available, and these cards display as reserved by "Unknown" or by "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status of the ordinance, it may be possible to release the reservation on a particular person, allowing you to reserve it and perform the ordinances. Please contact Support, and they will assist you. Extraction records that show "Ready" can be reserved by you even though they say they are reserved by the FamilySearch Extraction Program. See Knowledge Document 109130 or search Help Center "reserved by unknown" Shanna Jones St. George

The female names get done very quickly (ahem) :-) Too bad there are no longer "Priesthood Days" at the temple where they just to do catch up on males ordinances! Michele In a message dated 3/24/2012 7:13:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Turning names into Temple File is a bit of a mixed bag, in my mind. Many of us can use help because the family tree is showing a harvest faster than we can personally process it. While that is good from many stand points, it also creates a back log of material that people are waiting to have done. Is there in an answer to the problem? Not unless we really start encouraging people to attend the Temple at least once a month, and more often if they live closer (like right across town). So, I guess it's good more people are submitting names so that there's a backlog, but when it's our names on the back log, it's frustrating. Karen On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Shanna Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > I see a teaching moment here, so let me tell you how to find out what is > new. > Log into new.familysearch.org > On the Welcome page, the first thing at the top of the page after it says > Welcome Your Name is "What's New in FamilySearch" > You will want to check that on a regular basis because each time something > is updated and changed, it will be given there. > > I found the answers I gave in the Help Center by simply clicking on the > Help > Center, the last thing on that Welcome page. Then I typed in the search > box > "ordinances assigned to temple" and up came 25 results that gave the > explanation in detail. > > Perhaps the most important thing we could teach our ward members is now to > access and use the Help Center in new FamilySearch or at familysearch.org. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary S. > Scott > (Michigan) > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 6:08 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > > Shanna Jones email included my situation and her response: > > Q: The endowments which we were discussing seem to take a varying amount > of > time. As I said earlier, I am waiting on the endowments for names in the > general temple file from over 18 months but some I just assigned to the > general temple file in the past month are being processed for their > endowments. > > A: In 2009, the way temple ordinance reservations were processed caused > some > to be pushed to the bottom of the list. As a result these 2009 submissions > never move forward, while others submitted later are finished before them. > The result is that these ordinances are hung up in the system. > > Due to the number of records affected by the problem, an engineering > solution is unfeasible. To resolve the problem you must unreserve and then > re-reserve these ordinances. This will resolve the problem and put the > ordinances back in the proper order to be completed. > > ****************** > > I feel a migraine coming on. > > I now understand why the names from so long ago are anxiously waiting for > their temple ordinances to be completed. > So how come family history consultants were not made aware of the problem > with the temple ordinance reservations being pushed to the bottom of the > list? > > Was this situation explored, shared, detailed anywhere? Did NFS tell us > about this problem? > > I am amazed because how are we supposed to know what we are not told? > > Furthermore, how are we supposed to help our ward members when we are not > told the proper information or how to rectify it? > > This is a matter of trust. > > We have the faith that our general temple file names will be worked on but, > if they are not going to be worked on, imagine the anguish on both sides of > the veil! > > Faith without works is dead ... guess I will be working on general temple > file names for the rest of the year. > > My computer freezes up everytime I release a name and then I have to load > the ordinance list again. It takes me a very long time to release names > from the ordinance list and then choose the names again for temple > ordinances and then re-assign them to temple file instead of family file. > > I may have snowy white hair by the time I complete this task. 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There is clearly a computer problem here because, in my observation, names which have all ordinances requested through the temple file do not proceed as quickly from endowment to sealing. I constantly have a lot of ordinances outstanding and update my file once a month with Family Insight, so I keep a pretty close eye on how fast they are progressing. A: When ordinances are assigned to the temple, they are done as the individual temple has time to complete them. It can take days or months, depending on how busy the temples are. There is not a method to determine how long it will take for a particular ordinance. When a temple needs ordinances, they will take the names that members assign to the temple before they take general extraction names. The system looks for ordinances in the following sequence: Individuals or records in that temple district. Individuals or records in other temple districts. Individuals or records contributed by the extraction program. When an ordinance has been completed for a name, the next ordinance is made available to the local temple and then to any temple needing a name. This process shortens the time between each ordinance. You may see the ordinances done in various temples around the world for the same person. I was under the impression that temple were only to download the number of names for each ordinance that they would have time to do. You wouldn't have the same names for every ordinances downloaded by a temple. And You might have many more baptisms downloaded than endowments depending on the temple traffic. If that is the case, then names submitted by members of smaller temple districts are at a distinct disadvantage. For example, in California, you might have many converts to the church or people who descend from convert families which might generate many more family names that areas like Logan which have a membership with high pioneer ancestry and fewer new family names. The busy temple of Utah could subsequently process the family file names more quickly. Q: Does anyone know how soon they are going to return all those Legacy names and names that have been stalled for 5 years to the ready position? A: By Legacy do you mean those submissions by individuals who have not yet claimed Legacy, or your own submissions? If they are unclaimed Legacy submissions by other patrons and you can figure out who it is, you can contact them or do research to see if they are deceased. If you can find that it is a deceased patron, you can send Feedback to [email protected] and request that they be released because the patron is deceased. If they are your own Legacy submissions, you can claim them. There is not a time limit at this time but The Brethren are taking it into consideration. I meant Legacy as in someone submitted the name during Temple Ready or before and there is a contact "name" but there is no contact info and it might not even be a name...further it might be some very distant cousin relationship. Since submission, often 5-20 years ago, work has stalled. It leads one to believe that the patron is deceased, inactive, or lost the slips or interest in completing the temple work. But if you lack "proof," they will not release the names. We weren't even allowed to claim Legacy for our brother serving a mission in China so we could clear up names and prepare further work. They said..he has children..they have the right to Legacy. None of them was interested. "Legacy" should be eliminated so records can be updated and completed. Q: The endowments which we were discussing seem to take a varying amount of time. As I said earlier, I am waiting on the endowments for names in the general temple file from over 18 months but some I just assigned to the general temple file in the past month are being processed for their endowments. A: In 2009, the way temple ordinance reservations were processed caused some to be pushed to the bottom of the list. As a result these 2009 submissions never move forward, while others submitted later are finished before them. The result is that these ordinances are hung up in the system. Due to the number of records affected by the problem, an engineering solution is unfeasible. To resolve the problem you must unreserve and then re-reserve these ordinances. This will resolve the problem and put the ordinances back in the proper order to be completed. Male endowments are known to take time. Then there are the thousands upon thousands of names which were converted to "in progress" or more currently "Family Search" or "Unknown" when the temples took the cards on hand in their cupboards and transferred them to NFS back in 2007-2008. I still have an 8 page print out of names waiting to be released from that limbo. :-) Michele Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Turning names into Temple File is a bit of a mixed bag, in my mind. Many of us can use help because the family tree is showing a harvest faster than we can personally process it. While that is good from many stand points, it also creates a back log of material that people are waiting to have done. Is there in an answer to the problem? Not unless we really start encouraging people to attend the Temple at least once a month, and more often if they live closer (like right across town). So, I guess it's good more people are submitting names so that there's a backlog, but when it's our names on the back log, it's frustrating. Karen On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Shanna Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > I see a teaching moment here, so let me tell you how to find out what is > new. > Log into new.familysearch.org > On the Welcome page, the first thing at the top of the page after it says > Welcome Your Name is "What's New in FamilySearch" > You will want to check that on a regular basis because each time something > is updated and changed, it will be given there. > > I found the answers I gave in the Help Center by simply clicking on the > Help > Center, the last thing on that Welcome page. Then I typed in the search > box > "ordinances assigned to temple" and up came 25 results that gave the > explanation in detail. > > Perhaps the most important thing we could teach our ward members is now to > access and use the Help Center in new FamilySearch or at familysearch.org. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary S. > Scott > (Michigan) > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 6:08 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > > Shanna Jones email included my situation and her response: > > Q: The endowments which we were discussing seem to take a varying amount > of > time. As I said earlier, I am waiting on the endowments for names in the > general temple file from over 18 months but some I just assigned to the > general temple file in the past month are being processed for their > endowments. > > A: In 2009, the way temple ordinance reservations were processed caused > some > to be pushed to the bottom of the list. As a result these 2009 submissions > never move forward, while others submitted later are finished before them. > The result is that these ordinances are hung up in the system. > > Due to the number of records affected by the problem, an engineering > solution is unfeasible. To resolve the problem you must unreserve and then > re-reserve these ordinances. This will resolve the problem and put the > ordinances back in the proper order to be completed. > > ****************** > > I feel a migraine coming on. > > I now understand why the names from so long ago are anxiously waiting for > their temple ordinances to be completed. > So how come family history consultants were not made aware of the problem > with the temple ordinance reservations being pushed to the bottom of the > list? > > Was this situation explored, shared, detailed anywhere? Did NFS tell us > about this problem? > > I am amazed because how are we supposed to know what we are not told? > > Furthermore, how are we supposed to help our ward members when we are not > told the proper information or how to rectify it? > > This is a matter of trust. > > We have the faith that our general temple file names will be worked on but, > if they are not going to be worked on, imagine the anguish on both sides of > the veil! > > Faith without works is dead ... guess I will be working on general temple > file names for the rest of the year. > > My computer freezes up everytime I release a name and then I have to load > the ordinance list again. It takes me a very long time to release names > from the ordinance list and then choose the names again for temple > ordinances and then re-assign them to temple file instead of family file. > > I may have snowy white hair by the time I complete this task. Yecks! > > Mary Scott > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just one!

I see a teaching moment here, so let me tell you how to find out what is new. Log into new.familysearch.org On the Welcome page, the first thing at the top of the page after it says Welcome Your Name is "What's New in FamilySearch" You will want to check that on a regular basis because each time something is updated and changed, it will be given there. I found the answers I gave in the Help Center by simply clicking on the Help Center, the last thing on that Welcome page. Then I typed in the search box "ordinances assigned to temple" and up came 25 results that gave the explanation in detail. Perhaps the most important thing we could teach our ward members is now to access and use the Help Center in new FamilySearch or at familysearch.org. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary S. Scott (Michigan) Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 6:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples Shanna Jones email included my situation and her response:   Q: The endowments which we were discussing seem to take a varying amount of time. As I said earlier, I am waiting on the endowments for names in the general temple file from over 18 months but some I just assigned to the general temple file in the past month are being processed for their endowments. A: In 2009, the way temple ordinance reservations were processed caused some to be pushed to the bottom of the list. As a result these 2009 submissions never move forward, while others submitted later are finished before them. The result is that these ordinances are hung up in the system. Due to the number of records affected by the problem, an engineering solution is unfeasible. To resolve the problem you must unreserve and then re-reserve these ordinances. This will resolve the problem and put the ordinances back in the proper order to be completed.   ******************   I feel a migraine coming on.   I now understand why the names from so long ago are anxiously waiting for their temple ordinances to be completed. So how come family history consultants were not made aware of the problem with the temple ordinance reservations being pushed to the bottom of the list? Was this situation explored, shared, detailed anywhere? Did NFS tell us about this problem?   I am amazed because how are we supposed to know what we are not told?   Furthermore, how are we supposed to help our ward members when we are not told the proper information or how to rectify it?   This is a matter of trust.   We have the faith that our general temple file names will be worked on but, if they are not going to be worked on, imagine the anguish on both sides of the veil!   Faith without works is dead ... guess I will be working on general temple file names for the rest of the year.   My computer freezes up everytime I release a name and then I have to load the ordinance list again. It takes me a very long time to release names from the ordinance list and then choose the names again for temple ordinances and then re-assign them to temple file instead of family file.    I may have snowy white hair by the time I complete this task. Yecks!   Mary Scott Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is clearly a computer problem here because, in my observation, names which have all ordinances requested through the temple file do not proceed as quickly from endowment to sealing. I constantly have a lot of ordinances outstanding and update my file once a month with Family Insight, so I keep a pretty close eye on how fast they are progressing. Does anyone know how soon they are going to return all those Legacy names and names that have been stalled for 5 years to the ready position? I have a least five hundred, perhaps more, of those sitting, sitting, sitting. Year after year after year. Michele In a message dated 3/24/2012 3:19:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: In my earlier email I meant to specifically state that I was requesting the endowments through temple file. Those are the ordinances which seem to have a conflict in how long between they are requested and processed. It is so easy to have the baptisms and confirmations completed with a week or two. The initiatories usually follow in another month. The endowments which we were discussing seem to take a varying amount of time. As I said earlier, I am waiting on the endowments for names in the general temple file from over 18 months but some I just assigned to the general temple file in the past month are being processed for their endowments. However, I have asked for sealing to parents ordinances and within minutes (literally 5 or 10 minutes) from being assigned to the general temple file, the sealing cards were being processed by a temple somewhere. Just wanted to clarify what I was wrote earlier this afternoon. Thanks for listening. Mary Scott Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Q: There is clearly a computer problem here because, in my observation, names which have all ordinances requested through the temple file do not proceed as quickly from endowment to sealing. I constantly have a lot of ordinances outstanding and update my file once a month with Family Insight, so I keep a pretty close eye on how fast they are progressing. A: When ordinances are assigned to the temple, they are done as the individual temple has time to complete them. It can take days or months, depending on how busy the temples are. There is not a method to determine how long it will take for a particular ordinance. When a temple needs ordinances, they will take the names that members assign to the temple before they take general extraction names. The system looks for ordinances in the following sequence: Individuals or records in that temple district. Individuals or records in other temple districts. Individuals or records contributed by the extraction program. When an ordinance has been completed for a name, the next ordinance is made available to the local temple and then to any temple needing a name. This process shortens the time between each ordinance. You may see the ordinances done in various temples around the world for the same person. Q: Does anyone know how soon they are going to return all those Legacy names and names that have been stalled for 5 years to the ready position? A: By Legacy do you mean those submissions by individuals who have not yet claimed Legacy, or your own submissions? If they are unclaimed Legacy submissions by other patrons and you can figure out who it is, you can contact them or do research to see if they are deceased. If you can find that it is a deceased patron, you can send Feedback to [email protected] and request that they be released because the patron is deceased. If they are your own Legacy submissions, you can claim them. There is not a time limit at this time but The Brethren are taking it into consideration. Q: The endowments which we were discussing seem to take a varying amount of time. As I said earlier, I am waiting on the endowments for names in the general temple file from over 18 months but some I just assigned to the general temple file in the past month are being processed for their endowments. A: In 2009, the way temple ordinance reservations were processed caused some to be pushed to the bottom of the list. As a result these 2009 submissions never move forward, while others submitted later are finished before them. The result is that these ordinances are hung up in the system. Due to the number of records affected by the problem, an engineering solution is unfeasible. To resolve the problem you must unreserve and then re-reserve these ordinances. This will resolve the problem and put the ordinances back in the proper order to be completed. Male endowments are known to take time.

Shanna Jones email included my situation and her response:   Q: The endowments which we were discussing seem to take a varying amount of time. As I said earlier, I am waiting on the endowments for names in the general temple file from over 18 months but some I just assigned to the general temple file in the past month are being processed for their endowments. A: In 2009, the way temple ordinance reservations were processed caused some to be pushed to the bottom of the list. As a result these 2009 submissions never move forward, while others submitted later are finished before them. The result is that these ordinances are hung up in the system. Due to the number of records affected by the problem, an engineering solution is unfeasible. To resolve the problem you must unreserve and then re-reserve these ordinances. This will resolve the problem and put the ordinances back in the proper order to be completed.   ******************   I feel a migraine coming on.   I now understand why the names from so long ago are anxiously waiting for their temple ordinances to be completed. So how come family history consultants were not made aware of the problem with the temple ordinance reservations being pushed to the bottom of the list? Was this situation explored, shared, detailed anywhere? Did NFS tell us about this problem?   I am amazed because how are we supposed to know what we are not told?   Furthermore, how are we supposed to help our ward members when we are not told the proper information or how to rectify it?   This is a matter of trust.   We have the faith that our general temple file names will be worked on but, if they are not going to be worked on, imagine the anguish on both sides of the veil!   Faith without works is dead ... guess I will be working on general temple file names for the rest of the year.   My computer freezes up everytime I release a name and then I have to load the ordinance list again. It takes me a very long time to release names from the ordinance list and then choose the names again for temple ordinances and then re-assign them to temple file instead of family file.    I may have snowy white hair by the time I complete this task. Yecks!   Mary Scott

Yes, the baptism, confirmation, and initiatory seem to go fairly quickly through any Temple once they are released into the system. I live in a large Temple district where our sessions are every half hour every day, three days a week beginning at 5:30am and the other two days at 7am. And all 14 of my recently completed endowment names happened to be picked up and completed in my Temple. That is not always the case. I'm just grateful that things seem to be moving along - hopefully for everyone, everywhere. Megan Smith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary S. Scott (Michigan) Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 3:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples In my earlier email I meant to specifically state that I was requesting the endowments through temple file. Those are the ordinances which seem to have a conflict in how long between they are requested and processed.   It is so easy to have the baptisms and confirmations completed with a week or two.   The initiatories usually follow in another month.   The endowments which we were discussing seem to take a varying amount of time. As I said earlier, I am waiting on the endowments for names in the general temple file from over 18 months but some I just assigned to the general temple file in the past month are being processed for their endowments.   However, I have asked for sealing to parents ordinances and within minutes (literally 5 or 10 minutes) from being assigned to the general temple file, the sealing cards were being processed by a temple somewhere.   Just wanted to clarify what I was wrote earlier this afternoon.   Thanks for listening.   Mary Scott  Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In my earlier email I meant to specifically state that I was requesting the endowments through temple file. Those are the ordinances which seem to have a conflict in how long between they are requested and processed.   It is so easy to have the baptisms and confirmations completed with a week or two.   The initiatories usually follow in another month.   The endowments which we were discussing seem to take a varying amount of time. As I said earlier, I am waiting on the endowments for names in the general temple file from over 18 months but some I just assigned to the general temple file in the past month are being processed for their endowments.   However, I have asked for sealing to parents ordinances and within minutes (literally 5 or 10 minutes) from being assigned to the general temple file, the sealing cards were being processed by a temple somewhere.   Just wanted to clarify what I was wrote earlier this afternoon.   Thanks for listening.   Mary Scott