I asked about a Priest with 'holy envy' and you certainly responded. Yes, he was Lutheran (I admitted my memory isn't what it used to be…..) The article about the female Episcopal priest was also very good. I have been asked to teach RS in a couple of weeks on the Temple (while the sisters get a break for Mother's Day). Thank you, each and every one. Warren

_Click here: A Female Episcopal Priest Visits a Mormon Temple (PHOTOS) - The Huffington Post_ (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/danielle-tumminio/inside-a-mormon-temple-a-female-episcopal-priest-visits_b_1430206.html) This is a lovely article which may be the one you were looking for. If the link doesn't work, Google "Kansas City Temple Episcopal priest." Michele

That was in DVD of the Sacramento CA Temple Open House! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary S. Scott (Michigan) Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:07 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Can you help? Could it be a Lutheran minister? I remember a Lutheran minister who was part of a dvd program on Temples. It was produced by the LDS Church.   Mary Scott ________________________________ From: Warren and Katherine White <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 10:47 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] Can you help? I have a good memory, but it is short.  ; )  I recall watching a video of an interview with a high ranking (I believe) Episcopal Priest who spoke of having a 'holy envy' for the Church because of our understanding of Temples.  Can anyone point me to where i might view and download that interview? Thank you so very much! Warren White Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could it be a Lutheran minister? I remember a Lutheran minister who was part of a dvd program on Temples. It was produced by the LDS Church.   Mary Scott ________________________________ From: Warren and Katherine White <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 10:47 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] Can you help? I have a good memory, but it is short.  ; )  I recall watching a video of an interview with a high ranking (I believe) Episcopal Priest who spoke of having a 'holy envy' for the Church because of our understanding of Temples.  Can anyone point me to where i might view and download that interview? Thank you so very much! Warren White Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a good memory, but it is short. ; ) I recall watching a video of an interview with a high ranking (I believe) Episcopal Priest who spoke of having a 'holy envy' for the Church because of our understanding of Temples. Can anyone point me to where i might view and download that interview? Thank you so very much! Warren White

This is curious. However the letters are crowded, how can an 'h' disappear entirely in such a short name? In any case, isn't Ian the same as John, only in another language? Johannes, Johann, John, Jean, Juan, Jan, Ian. Was Mr.Marquardt an immigrant? -----Mensagem Original----- From: Mary S. Scott (Michigan) Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:48 AM To: Consultants Subject: [LDS-WC] FamilySearch Indexing Experience Last week I had an interesting experience while doing FamilySearch Indexing. I downloaded a 1940 U.S. Federal Census batch from California in Los Angeles County. Imagine my surprise to see a man that I had been helping one of my ward members prepare for temple ordinances several months ago. The surname is very unusual and the ages and birthplace matched. We researched the members of this family and found a lot of information. We knew that the oldest son had moved to Los Angeles County, California and died there in the mid-1940s. The name of the man is John Fredrich Marquardt. The census provided information for his wife and two children. Of course I contacted my friend and gave him the link to the page on the National Archives website (www.archives.gov). He is now in the process of gathering more information on this particular family. After I completed the indexing, I sent it through the system for the next steps. Yesterday I reviewed the batch after the arbitrator had finished with it. Now the arbitrator states that the man's name is Ian Fredrich Marquardt. I admit that the handwriting was pretty bad -- letters crowded together -- but I can actually see the name "John". I know the name is "John" and not Ian. I found him on other records on www.Ancestry.com too and he is always John. I asked for the name to be reviewed but is there anything else I can do? Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks for your time. Mary Scott Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Last week I requested Nancy's tutorial on the snipping tool, and neglected to thank her for sending it to me. I've tried it out and do like it. It's especially useful for those "smaller" records that can be captured in one pass, such as death certificates, earlier censuses that didn't ask for so much info, etc. Thank you, Nancy Scott! Alice Allen Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant Vancouver WA Stake -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nancy Scott Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 12:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] "always best ... to go to the original image" John wrote about how he saves originals. I do something similar using the "snipping tool". It is a free accessory that started with Vista. It is a wonderful tool if you have never used it. It creates a jpg of anything you want to capture. <snip>

Mary, My one suggestion is to document the name and where it is. You may have already have a process for it. I have been keeping th list as Jill had made that suggestion a while back. I have a good feeling about the list. Nancy Scott Sent from my Epic 4g -----Original Message----- From: "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <[email protected]> To: Consultants <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, 04 May 2012 8:48 AM Subject: [LDS-WC] FamilySearch Indexing Experience Last week I had an interesting experience while doing FamilySearch Indexing. I downloaded a 1940 U.S. Federal Census batch from California in Los Angeles County. Imagine my surprise to see a man that I had been helping one of my ward members prepare for temple ordinances several months ago. The surname is very unusual and the ages and birthplace matched. We researched the members of this family and found a lot of information. We knew that the oldest son had moved to Los Angeles County, California and died there in the mid-1940s.   The name of the man is John Fredrich Marquardt. The census provided information for his wife and two children. Of course I contacted my friend and gave him the link to the page on the National Archives website (www.archives.gov). He is now in the process of gathering more information on this particular family. After I completed the indexing, I sent it through the system for the next steps. Yesterday I reviewed the batch after the arbitrator had finished with it. Now the arbitrator states that the man's name is Ian Fredrich Marquardt. I admit that the handwriting was pretty bad -- letters crowded together -- but I can actually see the name "John". I know the name is "John" and not Ian. I found him on other records on www.Ancestry.com too and he is always John. I asked for the name to be reviewed but is there anything else I can do? Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks for your time. Mary Scott Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To answer Jorge's questions, John Fredrich Marquardt was not an immigrant. He was born in Nebraska. His father was born in a section of Denmark/Germany called Schweig Holstein.   Yes, Ian is the Scottish form of John but it is not his name. It may pull up on the index when someone searches for John but I am not sure.   The "h" disappears with the capital letter "J". It is definitely squished.   Ancestry has John with his wife, Ruby, in the 1930 U.S. Federal Census and the name is not Ian.   There are some other documents on Ancestry as well.   Very odd for sure.   Mary Scott ________________________________ From: Jorge Todeschini <[email protected]> To: Mary S. Scott (Michigan) <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] FamilySearch Indexing Experience This is curious. However the letters are crowded, how can an 'h' disappear entirely in such a short name? In any case, isn't Ian the same as John, only in another language? Johannes, Johann, John, Jean, Juan, Jan, Ian. Was Mr.Marquardt an immigrant? -----Mensagem Original----- From: Mary S. Scott (Michigan) Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:48 AM To: Consultants Subject: [LDS-WC] FamilySearch Indexing Experience Last week I had an interesting experience while doing FamilySearch Indexing. I downloaded a 1940 U.S. Federal Census batch from California in Los Angeles County. Imagine my surprise to see a man that I had been helping one of my ward members prepare for temple ordinances several months ago. The surname is very unusual and the ages and birthplace matched. We researched the members of this family and found a lot of information. We knew that the oldest son had moved to Los Angeles County, California and died there in the mid-1940s. The name of the man is John Fredrich Marquardt. The census provided information for his wife and two children. Of course I contacted my friend and gave him the link to the page on the National Archives website (www.archives.gov). He is now in the process of gathering more information on this particular family. After I completed the indexing, I sent it through the system for the next steps. Yesterday I reviewed the batch after the arbitrator had finished with it. Now the arbitrator states that the man's name is Ian Fredrich Marquardt. I admit that the handwriting was pretty bad -- letters crowded together -- but I can actually see the name "John". I know the name is "John" and not Ian. I found him on other records on www.Ancestry.com too and he is always John. I asked for the name to be reviewed but is there anything else I can do? Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks for your time. Mary Scott Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Last week I had an interesting experience while doing FamilySearch Indexing. I downloaded a 1940 U.S. Federal Census batch from California in Los Angeles County. Imagine my surprise to see a man that I had been helping one of my ward members prepare for temple ordinances several months ago. The surname is very unusual and the ages and birthplace matched. We researched the members of this family and found a lot of information. We knew that the oldest son had moved to Los Angeles County, California and died there in the mid-1940s.   The name of the man is John Fredrich Marquardt. The census provided information for his wife and two children. Of course I contacted my friend and gave him the link to the page on the National Archives website (www.archives.gov). He is now in the process of gathering more information on this particular family. After I completed the indexing, I sent it through the system for the next steps. Yesterday I reviewed the batch after the arbitrator had finished with it. Now the arbitrator states that the man's name is Ian Fredrich Marquardt. I admit that the handwriting was pretty bad -- letters crowded together -- but I can actually see the name "John". I know the name is "John" and not Ian. I found him on other records on www.Ancestry.com too and he is always John. I asked for the name to be reviewed but is there anything else I can do? Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks for your time. Mary Scott

Ooops! Correction to my note example: It should have read like this: "Sara Smith married Joe Miller and then the Miller parents." In my title I always put the maiden name first and then the married surname. If a women married more than once, I put the surnames in that order. Nancy Scott

John wrote about how he saves originals. I do something similar using the "snipping tool". It is a free accessory that started with Vista. It is a wonderful tool if you have never used it. It creates a jpg of anything you want to capture. I open a Word file and title the doc like this: Smith Miller, Sarah, b. 1870, with parents 1880 Michigan US Federal Census. Then I go and snip the original usually just snipping the family that I am interested in rather than the whole page. I also snip the title and citation for the document as well as key in the site that I got the data from. One more snip for the index after that. I then key in any data that I want to as a note. So it might go like this: "Father is missing from this census because he has already immigrated to Canada. Sarah Smith married Joe Smith. Joe Smith is the son of John Smith, b. 1850 and Sarah Weeks, b. 1852."\ Last thing that I put on the document is: "Collected 28 April 2012" or whatever the correct date is. I save it as a Word docx. The only problem is if you share a document like this, you have to convert it to a PDF because the imbedded jpgs do not send well as part of emailing. Things that I really like about this system is that you have both the original in and the index in the same document instead of needing 2 different ones. I can make notes of anything I like and I can edit the notes in the Word doc if I want to change it as some point. Lately, I have been listing both a husband and a wife on separate lines as a title and perhaps a child and saving the same document in 2 or 3 different files to make an easy reference when I am searching for them. The negative about listing several people is if you make changes to your notes then you have to do it to all the documents. If anyone is interested in a sample PFD of this method, they can contact me offline at: [email protected] Subject "Sample PFD" and I will be happy to send it as an attachment so you can actually see what it looks like. Nancy Scott

I agree on importance of original images. Here is what I do to capture desired census data to my computer: (a) Save census index data as an image by using print screen (select only index info, not whole screen) (b) Save original census image by using ³save as² function (for the whole screen) (c) Save to their own folder using this example naming: €ZAHNER - census images & indexes € - used to indicate surname is direct ancestry (d) Name the above two image files by consisting using these format examples: census ZAHNER_Louis Frederick + ENGEL_Mary Magdalena (Lena) 1920 KS image.png census ZAHNER_Louis Frederick + ENGEL_Mary Magdalena (Lena) 1920 KS index.jpg John Rudnick > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:42:35 -0600 > From: "Scott and Tammy Stevenson" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 105 > To: <[email protected]> > > One more thing to keep in mind- we are creating an "index" > making the censuses and other records more readily searchable. > But in the end, it's always best for the researcher to go to the > original image and as I teach "see what your eyes see, and not > what those of the indexer saw." I am grateful for the many hours > spent indexing- definitely easier for me to double check a few > possibilities than to search through endless pages to find what > I am looking for. And helpful for me as an indexer and arbitrator > to think I am doing my best, but knowing those searching their > own ancestors may see things a little differently than I do, > having experienced that myself. > > Tamara Stevenson

Several years ago, I was working with records from Arran Island in Scotland for a group of ancestors who had immigrated to New Brunswick before continuing to the US. There was a male child with the right name born at the right time period at the right farm name, but the wrong father's given name. When the family appears in Canadian censuses with the rest of the children by right names and ages, the right father & mother's names and ages correct, and this boy is there--right age and name. I discussed with a friend who is a professional genealogist specializing in that area of the world, my suspicion that minister or clerk had written in the wrong given name for the father accidentally when the child was christened. She looked over the various censuses and church records I'd collected, and she told me that I had convinced her. I decided that we can all make mistakes, even the guy that made the original record. I don't automatically assume that the record keeper was in error, and certainly not every time what I'm looking at doesn't agree with what I think it should say. But they were also human and could make mistakes just as easily as I. I really find myself wondering if scanned, cleaned up records should be the only things we have access to when things are indexed. While it might speed up the work, how does that help if the one editing the scanned version misinterprets something and changes the name to something else? I wish we were still going to be able to access the original stuff once it's on line. (And no, not all of us can afford to visit Salt Lake, or hire a researcher there.) I've already dealt with a family where someone back in the 20s or 30s took an author's word for the parents of a family were one set of people and did Temple work for them without verifying it in original records. The author got the mother's name wrong and so the husband and kids were all sealed to the wrong mother (whom I have yet to prove even existed...at least by that name.) And when I tried to submit to have them sealed to the right mother, Salt Lake at that time assumed it was an entirely different family and insisted on doing everyone's work over again. That at least has become fixable now in *new.familysearch.org.* Karen On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Nancy Scott <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree with the posting that one should look at the original record to see > what you see. Sometimes you have to be a family member to see the correct > names, etc. > > > > I recently was researching my husband's Huggan line and was trying to > find/confirm the maiden name of a person who married a Huggan descendant. > The Huggan descendant was James Patterson, his mother was Isabella Huggan. > There is an indexed record for the marriage of Marion Walt to James Huggan > at familysearch.org. She was a widow. The parents were listed at Stephen > B. Walt and the mother as Sarah Walt. You can see right away that this > seems strange. No original was available online so I would have had to > order a microfilm to see it. > > > > I tried unsuccessfully to trace Marion as a Walt. I did find her and James > in the 1901 Canadian census however. The marriage record gave her place of > birth. The 1901 census gave her exact birth date. With that data I put in > a search with given names only and her birth year and place at > Ancestry.com. > The family I came up with that made a perfect match had the surname > Netherly. I found a tree at Ancestry.com that gave data about Marian, > "Minnie" Netherly. It was private but I decided to attempt to contact the > owner anyway. > > > > To my surprise and pleasure, the owner of this tree responded and gave me > sufficient data so that I could confirm that Netherly was indeed the maiden > name of my James Patterson's wife. > > > > Without the indexed records, it would have taken me perhaps years to figure > out the maiden name. > > > > I still do not know if the indexer was incorrect or if the original records > was in fact wrong with the surnames of the parents, but bit by bit and > piece > by piece, I made great progress. > > > > I keep this quote on my desk by President Spencer W. Kimball. "We will > move > faster if we hurry less." I have commented on this quote before but I > repeat it to myself every day now. I feel strongly that the Lord prefers a > correct offering of our ancestors connections over a rushed unproven one. > We should prove what we can now and what we cannot confirm at this point in > time will be revealed to at some future date in some way that the Lord will > provide. > > > > Nancy Ann Scott > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just one!

I agree with the posting that one should look at the original record to see what you see. Sometimes you have to be a family member to see the correct names, etc. I recently was researching my husband's Huggan line and was trying to find/confirm the maiden name of a person who married a Huggan descendant. The Huggan descendant was James Patterson, his mother was Isabella Huggan. There is an indexed record for the marriage of Marion Walt to James Huggan at familysearch.org. She was a widow. The parents were listed at Stephen B. Walt and the mother as Sarah Walt. You can see right away that this seems strange. No original was available online so I would have had to order a microfilm to see it. I tried unsuccessfully to trace Marion as a Walt. I did find her and James in the 1901 Canadian census however. The marriage record gave her place of birth. The 1901 census gave her exact birth date. With that data I put in a search with given names only and her birth year and place at Ancestry.com. The family I came up with that made a perfect match had the surname Netherly. I found a tree at Ancestry.com that gave data about Marian, "Minnie" Netherly. It was private but I decided to attempt to contact the owner anyway. To my surprise and pleasure, the owner of this tree responded and gave me sufficient data so that I could confirm that Netherly was indeed the maiden name of my James Patterson's wife. Without the indexed records, it would have taken me perhaps years to figure out the maiden name. I still do not know if the indexer was incorrect or if the original records was in fact wrong with the surnames of the parents, but bit by bit and piece by piece, I made great progress. I keep this quote on my desk by President Spencer W. Kimball. "We will move faster if we hurry less." I have commented on this quote before but I repeat it to myself every day now. I feel strongly that the Lord prefers a correct offering of our ancestors connections over a rushed unproven one. We should prove what we can now and what we cannot confirm at this point in time will be revealed to at some future date in some way that the Lord will provide. Nancy Ann Scott

One more thing to keep in mind- we are creating an "index" making the censuses and other records more readily searchable. But in the end, it's always best for the researcher to go to the original image and as I teach "see what your eyes see, and not what those of the indexer saw." I am grateful for the many hours spent indexing- definitely easier for me to double check a few possibilities than to search through endless pages to find what I am looking for. And helpful for me as an indexer and arbitrator to think I am doing my best, but knowing those searching their own ancestors may see things a little differently than I do, having experienced that myself. Tamara Stevenson On 4/26/2012 6:34 PM, Pam Petterborg Ingermanson wrote: > I have had a LOT more compassion for indexers since I started help > indexing and especially since I started arbitrating. It is not so easy > to criticize now that I am making the decision as to what shows up. > That is why I am indexing and arbitrating my head off so that I can > contribute as accurate a record as possible. I read and reread and > reread and reread the instructions and the updates so that I follow > them as accurately as possible. Some of the instructions are buried > pretty deep down inside and are hard to find. I know the work that is > being done is important and that many miracles will need to happen for > it all to come together but oh my goodness, look how far we have come in the last 10 years!!!! > ~Pam > >

it does but limited to first 10 related places instead of the entire county's communities. Massive headache. David Samuelsen On 4/26/2012 11:28 PM, Raymond Weber wrote: > Sorry to disagree with you on this one Shanna, but the View Related > Places feature is not on the new site, which is a major headache and a > half for those of user conducting foreign research. I can't even count > the number of times I have gone to View Related Places to figure out a > place name. > > Raymond Weber > Victoria, BC

Sometimes I ding both indexers when it is that clear, usually it is the spelling of the names (use zoom in when necessary. It's there for that reason.) David S. On 4/26/2012 6:38 PM, Pam Petterborg Ingermanson wrote: > They are probably upset when I ding them but they have > not followed "the rules".

No arguments from me on this. I do BOTH. Sometimes I am miffed by how ignorant indexers can be when they don't read instructions. There were few batches I sent back to be reindexed. And equally some arbitrators who don't use zoom feature to check on spellings when necessary and times when they don't even follow instructions. I know because I challenged quite a number of them. They are pending reviews by supervisors. David Samuelsen On 4/26/2012 6:34 PM, Pam Petterborg Ingermanson wrote: > I have had a LOT more compassion for indexers since I started help indexing > and especially since I started arbitrating. It is not so easy to criticize > now that I am making the decision as to what shows up. That is why I am > indexing and arbitrating my head off so that I can contribute as accurate a > record as possible. I read and reread and reread and reread the > instructions and the updates so that I follow them as accurately as > possible. Some of the instructions are buried pretty deep down inside and > are hard to find. I know the work that is being done is important and that > many miracles will need to happen for it all to come together but oh my > goodness, look how far we have come in the last 10 years!!!! > ~Pam > > >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I do that and even use other items in search to narrow down. David Samuelsen. On 4/26/2012 6:25 PM, Pam Petterborg Ingermanson wrote: > When you do searches, do you take advantage of the "Exact" box in the > search boxes that need to be exact? I am NOT a fan of the search > capabilities at familysearch.org but I have been using the exact boxes, > where it makes a difference, and it has helped weed out lots of the riff > raff I am not interested in.