Hi all, I was released as a FH missionary in May last year and I have been asked to speak to our Ward this Sunday about Family search. So could anyone tell me what changes have been made to NFS etc since I was released please? Thanks Dave Whittall in Christchurch,New Zealand

Also, here is my latest presentation for those who are interested. http://www.scribd.com/doc/98461418/Whats-New-at-FamilySearch-SGES-May-2012 Sorry I was not able to send these to everyone who asked for them because the file sizes are pretty large and I was afraid I would block up your e-mail. Miles On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Miles Meyer <[email protected]> wrote: > Here are direct links to two of my recent talks. > > http://www.scribd.com/doc/83723227/Whats-New-at-Family-Search > > http://www.scribd.com/doc/98441538/FamilySearch-Indexing-LDS-May-2012a > > Miles Meyer >

Here are direct links to two of my recent talks. http://www.scribd.com/doc/83723227/Whats-New-at-Family-Search http://www.scribd.com/doc/98441538/FamilySearch-Indexing-LDS-May-2012a Miles Meyer

I have posted my presentations on scribd.com at http://www.scribd.com/milesmeyer. Hopefully you can view them there. Miles Meyer

Thank you very much. Gayle -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Miles Meyer Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What's new I have posted my presentations on scribd.com at http://www.scribd.com/milesmeyer. Hopefully you can view them there. Miles Meyer Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There have been a couple webinars where the developers have been discussing changes. You can see them in the Blog section at FamilySearch.org. Miles On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:13 AM, Dave and Margaret < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > I was released as a FH missionary in May last year and I have been asked > to speak to our Ward this Sunday about Family search. > > So could anyone tell me what changes have been made to NFS etc since I was > released please? > > Thanks > > Dave Whittall in Christchurch,New Zealand > >

I recently gave a couple talks on What's New at FamilySearch. I have the powerpoints if you would be interested. Both are designed for non-members but most of the info is there. Send me an e-mail at [email protected] Miles Meyer Jacksonville, FL On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:13 AM, Dave and Margaret < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > I was released as a FH missionary in May last year and I have been asked > to speak to our Ward this Sunday about Family search. > > So could anyone tell me what changes have been made to NFS etc since I was > released please? > > Thanks > > Dave Whittall in Christchurch,New Zealand > >

On 6/26/2012 11:13 PM, Dave and Margaret wrote: > Hi all, > I was released as a FH missionary in May last year and I have been asked to speak to our Ward this Sunday about Family search. > > So could anyone tell me what changes have been made to NFS etc since I was released please? > > Thanks > > Dave Whittall in Christchurch,New Zealand > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > For a general look at What's New, just get into new Family Search and click on What’s New in the New FamilySearch.

A very good answer Steve, this happened to my great grandfather, someone mixed him with another person of the same name, so I thought his work had been done except the sealing and I had him sealed to his first and second wives, then I found out that the one who was complete was another man of the same name, but different year of birth, done by someone else and merged with mine,  and my ggrandfather had not had his initiatory and endowment done, so the Temple just told me to make sure I did it as soon as I could, there was not a problem as long as it gets done. We should all remember to love each other, no matter how frustrated we get when someone does something wrong.  We are all trying our best to do the best we can, and some have more knowledge and more experience than others, and so we help each other. Thanks for all the helpful answers I get in this consultant email. Betty Jo Colbert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Kelsey" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:35:39 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Interested in your thoughts on sharing family file        submissions w... I believe this is a very harsh reply.  This is not a very difficult problem.  There are very, very many who are sealed prior to their other work being done and although we are asked to do so when names are given to the temple file they are done out of order.  If one selects to do the baptism, initiatory, and endowment and sealing but leaves the sealing to spouse for the temple to do it usually gets done before one can get the others done. It is just not valid until the other ordinances are completed and then it is becomes completely valid and ok. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Tippets" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Interested in your thoughts on sharing family file submissions w... > Shame on the one doing things out of order.  Our instructions as members > are to do things in order, and you might remind her of that if you allow > her to do other things for you.  I would be sure to ask if she fully > intends to do the rest of the ordinances since she didn't do them in > proper > order that members are instructed to do them in.  May she just wanted > sealings to do, and has little or no intention of doing what's left, don't > give her any more. > > Karen > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:22 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> If you submit to temple file, the system frequently does that..couple >> sealing before individual ordinances.  I figure that the ordinances will >> be >> presented as an "total opportunity package" to those who have passed on. >> >> I don't think we should worry.  For the living, the understanding >> created >> during live ordinances is important for the recipient prior to  sealing. >> For the dead, I imagine they are instructed in sequence as  well. >> >> Michele >> >> >> In a message dated 6/26/2012 1:18:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> In May I  was approached by someone who said that they were related to a >> person I had in  my reserve list. >> >> The female in my family file still needed her  initiatory and endowment. >> >> Her husband's individual ordinances  were all completed. He was also >> sealed >> to his own parents. >> >> The  couple still needed to be sealed together. >> >> Since my family file  runneth over, I released the information for this >> other patron to  do. >> >> Yesterday I was updating my records and noticed that the  woman had >> reserved the female's needed individual ordinances BUT had completed  the >> sealing >> to spouse ordinance for the couple. >> >> Should I be  concerned since the female's initiatory and endowment are >> still not  done? >> >> I know we are supposed to do the the ordinances in order  but wonder if >> that rule exempts couple sealings. I wouldn't think so but was  just >> wondering. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Thank  you. >> >> Mary Scott >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE  or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please  send an email to >> [email protected] with the word  'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the  message >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just > one! > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The sealing would not be valid until the endowment is completed. This happened with my father. We had asked someone to take my father's name through for endowments while my husband did another family name. We did sealings after ward, including sealing my father to my mother. When we went to pick up the cards, we were told that my father's name hadnot gone through the endowments but the sealing was fine. It just would not be valid until his endowment was done. Amy Griffin Paulden Ward Prescott Valley Stake

Whether valid or not, we are still asked to do things that we as individuals do in a specific order. There's reasons for that, and I happen to think we ought to do it the way they ask. Saying things are harsh for feeling this way is glossing over the fact that people aren't doing things the way they're asked to do them. It's not that hard for people to follow the way they're asked to do them. So what's wrong with thing they're supposed to? I can imagine things getting forgotten when they get done out of order, slips getting put aside and forgotten about. Karen On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Steve Kelsey <[email protected]> wrote: > I believe this is a very harsh reply. This is not a very > difficult problem. There are very, very many who are > sealed prior to their other work being done and although > we are asked to do so when names are given to the > temple file they are done out of order. If one selects to do the baptism, > initiatory, and endowment and sealing but leaves the sealing to spouse for > the temple to do it usually gets done before one can get the others done. > It is just not valid until the other ordinances are completed and > then it is becomes completely valid and ok. > > Steve Kelsey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Tippets" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Interested in your thoughts on sharing family file > submissions w... > > > > Shame on the one doing things out of order. Our instructions as members > > are to do things in order, and you might remind her of that if you allow > > her to do other things for you. I would be sure to ask if she fully > > intends to do the rest of the ordinances since she didn't do them in > > proper > > order that members are instructed to do them in. May she just wanted > > sealings to do, and has little or no intention of doing what's left, > don't > > give her any more. > > > > Karen > > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:22 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> If you submit to temple file, the system frequently does that..couple > >> sealing before individual ordinances. I figure that the ordinances will > >> be > >> presented as an "total opportunity package" to those who have passed on. > >> > >> I don't think we should worry. For the living, the understanding > >> created > >> during live ordinances is important for the recipient prior to sealing. > >> For the dead, I imagine they are instructed in sequence as well. > >> > >> Michele > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 6/26/2012 1:18:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > >> [email protected] writes: > >> > >> In May I was approached by someone who said that they were related to a > >> person I had in my reserve list. > >> > >> The female in my family file still needed her initiatory and endowment. > >> > >> Her husband's individual ordinances were all completed. He was also > >> sealed > >> to his own parents. > >> > >> The couple still needed to be sealed together. > >> > >> Since my family file runneth over, I released the information for this > >> other patron to do. > >> > >> Yesterday I was updating my records and noticed that the woman had > >> reserved the female's needed individual ordinances BUT had completed > the > >> sealing > >> to spouse ordinance for the couple. > >> > >> Should I be concerned since the female's initiatory and endowment are > >> still not done? > >> > >> I know we are supposed to do the the ordinances in order but wonder if > >> that rule exempts couple sealings. I wouldn't think so but was just > >> wondering. > >> > >> Any thoughts? > >> > >> Thank you. > >> > >> Mary Scott > >> > >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > >> [email protected] > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the > >> subject and the body of the message > >> > >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > >> [email protected] > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just > > one! > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just one!

I believe this is a very harsh reply. This is not a very difficult problem. There are very, very many who are sealed prior to their other work being done and although we are asked to do so when names are given to the temple file they are done out of order. If one selects to do the baptism, initiatory, and endowment and sealing but leaves the sealing to spouse for the temple to do it usually gets done before one can get the others done. It is just not valid until the other ordinances are completed and then it is becomes completely valid and ok. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Tippets" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Interested in your thoughts on sharing family file submissions w... > Shame on the one doing things out of order. Our instructions as members > are to do things in order, and you might remind her of that if you allow > her to do other things for you. I would be sure to ask if she fully > intends to do the rest of the ordinances since she didn't do them in > proper > order that members are instructed to do them in. May she just wanted > sealings to do, and has little or no intention of doing what's left, don't > give her any more. > > Karen > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:22 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> If you submit to temple file, the system frequently does that..couple >> sealing before individual ordinances. I figure that the ordinances will >> be >> presented as an "total opportunity package" to those who have passed on. >> >> I don't think we should worry. For the living, the understanding >> created >> during live ordinances is important for the recipient prior to sealing. >> For the dead, I imagine they are instructed in sequence as well. >> >> Michele >> >> >> In a message dated 6/26/2012 1:18:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> In May I was approached by someone who said that they were related to a >> person I had in my reserve list. >> >> The female in my family file still needed her initiatory and endowment. >> >> Her husband's individual ordinances were all completed. He was also >> sealed >> to his own parents. >> >> The couple still needed to be sealed together. >> >> Since my family file runneth over, I released the information for this >> other patron to do. >> >> Yesterday I was updating my records and noticed that the woman had >> reserved the female's needed individual ordinances BUT had completed the >> sealing >> to spouse ordinance for the couple. >> >> Should I be concerned since the female's initiatory and endowment are >> still not done? >> >> I know we are supposed to do the the ordinances in order but wonder if >> that rule exempts couple sealings. I wouldn't think so but was just >> wondering. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Thank you. >> >> Mary Scott >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just > one! > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi everyone, I'm doing some clip and snip in the following thread, but there are some very important things for us to become aware of in our constantly changing environment. Please look for the bracket [ ] comments. Our worlds change and sometime change is driven by the inconsiderate. Then we have to have a second over the pulpit re-emphasis of the 1995 policy. David - San Diego District ---- Betty Jo and Don Colbert <[email protected]> wrote: I think you are getting the backlash of others that have not done the work as thoroughly as you have.  They have had some horrendous problems . . . with people doing the work for others not related, . . . [ So, true. This is why this sentence has been added to the form letter original response: "What is your relationship to . . . " I only found out about it this morning while talking with a FamSrch Missionary about a recent case I started. It is not being published very well, but they are starting to look for the relationship as a policy compliance issue.] ----- Original Message ----- To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Fwd: Reference: ordinances (CaseID:2628538) . . . this was the FIRST time I've been  asked for such detail when . . . Overkill. [Or, reaction to those who feel the rules do not apply to them?]   In a message dated 6/1/2012 10:04:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,   [email protected] writes: They gave examples . . .form  of proof, [ The hazard of a form response to an individual question. The missionaries do what they can with the tools provided, but occasionally the tool is a chainsaw and a scalpel is needed.] ----- Original Message  ----- To:  [email protected] Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 7:20:52 PM   Subject: [LDS-WC] Fwd: Reference: ordinances (CaseID:2628538) Have  you folks run into this sort of buzz saw of demands?  (See  below) I wrote Family Search asking them to remove the submitter "Family  Search" from a name I submitted in 2007  for the sealing to  parents  ordinance (baptism and endowment were complete) and that had  been in limbo since  then. This person was born in 1862  and descends from a common ancestor of  mine. Isn't it a  little bit of overkill to ask for .jpgs of records . . . some of  which  don't even exist like birth certificates in 1862, or personal knowledge of  a close family member (150 years ago?)  . . . 90% of church members would walk away  from this. I have asked for similar release of names so I could  complete temple work and never received this kind of reply.  Seems like overkill in the worst, most discouraging way.   ____________________ From:  [email protected] Sent: 6/1/2012  6:46:06 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: Reference: ordinances  (CaseID:. . . ) Dear Sister , Case . . . Thank you for contacting FamilySearch. We will be happy to help you with your question regarding . . . We signed  in as your helper and replicated the problem. We  will need to forward your  request to another department. They will  require additional information. What  is your relationship to . . . ? We appreciate your  diligence in maintaining accurate family history  records. In order  to help us further assist you with your request for your ancestor,  we ask that you send us official documentation or proof. Examples of documentation that proves your correction are: your personal knowledge, or the knowledge of a close family member who knew the individual,  Census records that show the family over time, a birth certificate  that shows a child with  the correct parents, or any other record  that shows the correct relationships  between family members.   The preferred method for sending documentation  is to scan the  document and attach it to your reply e-mail. Please save the  image  as a JPG or GIF file. To ensure it comes directly to us, please be sure  to use your e-mail reply function instead of creating a new e-mail,  and please  include the case number . . . in the subject line.   We look forward  to hearing from you at your earliest  convenience. We will forward your case as  soon as we hear from you.   Sincerely, FamilySearch Patron and Partner Services     [email protected]

As a Temple worker that gets assigned several places in the course of the work, we are regularly reminded that work is to be done in order when it is family file. For one reason, it can be easily over looked if the endowment is done before intiatory and possibly never completed because since the endowment is signed off, the rest must be done. Karen On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 6:02 PM, David <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi everyone, > Having a great time with the webinars learning to use the search engine > on FamilySearch, but that does not apply here. > > I believe the phrase to use in the situation Mary describes is "Valid not > Efficacious" meaning the work done is valid but not in effect until all > ordinances are complete. > > This situation and explanation came up frequently in the early days of > extraction circa 1950-60 > > David - San Diego District > > ---- Megan Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > In our Temple office, we tell patrons that ordinances are not valid until > they are all completed in the proper sequence, so if the endowment is > completed on a card before the initiatory, for example, it won't be valid > until the initiatory is finished. I would assume the same is true for the > sealing. That said, I run into similar situations all the time doing my own > family history when I find couple that have been sealed through extraction > without their individual work being done. So I go ahead and finish it and > it > all works out in the end. :) > > Megan Smith > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 1:16 PM > Subject: [LDS-WC] Interested in your thoughts on sharing family file > submissions with others > > In May I was approached by someone who said that they were related to a > person I had in my reserve list. > > The female in my family file still needed her initiatory and endowment. > > Her husband's individual ordinances were all completed. He was also sealed > to his own parents. > > The couple still needed to be sealed together. > > Since my family file runneth over, I released the information for this > other > patron to do. > > Yesterday I was updating my records and noticed that the woman had reserved > the female's needed individual ordinances BUT had completed the sealing to > spouse ordinance for the couple. > > Should I be concerned since the female's initiatory and endowment are still > not done? > > I know we are supposed to do the the ordinances in order but wonder if that > rule exempts couple sealings. I wouldn't think so but was just wondering. > > Any thoughts? > > Thank you. > > Mary Scott > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just one!

Shame on the one doing things out of order. Our instructions as members are to do things in order, and you might remind her of that if you allow her to do other things for you. I would be sure to ask if she fully intends to do the rest of the ordinances since she didn't do them in proper order that members are instructed to do them in. May she just wanted sealings to do, and has little or no intention of doing what's left, don't give her any more. Karen On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:22 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > If you submit to temple file, the system frequently does that..couple > sealing before individual ordinances. I figure that the ordinances will be > presented as an "total opportunity package" to those who have passed on. > > I don't think we should worry. For the living, the understanding created > during live ordinances is important for the recipient prior to sealing. > For the dead, I imagine they are instructed in sequence as well. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 6/26/2012 1:18:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > In May I was approached by someone who said that they were related to a > person I had in my reserve list. > > The female in my family file still needed her initiatory and endowment. > > Her husband's individual ordinances were all completed. He was also sealed > to his own parents. > > The couple still needed to be sealed together. > > Since my family file runneth over, I released the information for this > other patron to do. > > Yesterday I was updating my records and noticed that the woman had > reserved the female's needed individual ordinances BUT had completed the > sealing > to spouse ordinance for the couple. > > Should I be concerned since the female's initiatory and endowment are > still not done? > > I know we are supposed to do the the ordinances in order but wonder if > that rule exempts couple sealings. I wouldn't think so but was just > wondering. > > Any thoughts? > > Thank you. > > Mary Scott > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just one!

Hi everyone, Having a great time with the webinars learning to use the search engine on FamilySearch, but that does not apply here. I believe the phrase to use in the situation Mary describes is "Valid not Efficacious" meaning the work done is valid but not in effect until all ordinances are complete. This situation and explanation came up frequently in the early days of extraction circa 1950-60 David - San Diego District ---- Megan Smith <[email protected]> wrote: In our Temple office, we tell patrons that ordinances are not valid until they are all completed in the proper sequence, so if the endowment is completed on a card before the initiatory, for example, it won't be valid until the initiatory is finished. I would assume the same is true for the sealing. That said, I run into similar situations all the time doing my own family history when I find couple that have been sealed through extraction without their individual work being done. So I go ahead and finish it and it all works out in the end. :) Megan Smith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 1:16 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] Interested in your thoughts on sharing family file submissions with others In May I was approached by someone who said that they were related to a person I had in my reserve list.   The female in my family file still needed her initiatory and endowment.   Her husband's individual ordinances were all completed. He was also sealed to his own parents.   The couple still needed to be sealed together.   Since my family file runneth over, I released the information for this other patron to do.   Yesterday I was updating my records and noticed that the woman had reserved the female's needed individual ordinances BUT had completed the sealing to spouse ordinance for the couple.   Should I be concerned since the female's initiatory and endowment are still not done?   I know we are supposed to do the the ordinances in order but wonder if that rule exempts couple sealings. I wouldn't think so but was just wondering.   Any thoughts?   Thank you.   Mary Scott

If you submit to temple file, the system frequently does that..couple sealing before individual ordinances. I figure that the ordinances will be presented as an "total opportunity package" to those who have passed on. I don't think we should worry. For the living, the understanding created during live ordinances is important for the recipient prior to sealing. For the dead, I imagine they are instructed in sequence as well. Michele In a message dated 6/26/2012 1:18:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: In May I was approached by someone who said that they were related to a person I had in my reserve list. The female in my family file still needed her initiatory and endowment. Her husband's individual ordinances were all completed. He was also sealed to his own parents. The couple still needed to be sealed together. Since my family file runneth over, I released the information for this other patron to do. Yesterday I was updating my records and noticed that the woman had reserved the female's needed individual ordinances BUT had completed the sealing to spouse ordinance for the couple. Should I be concerned since the female's initiatory and endowment are still not done? I know we are supposed to do the the ordinances in order but wonder if that rule exempts couple sealings. I wouldn't think so but was just wondering. Any thoughts? Thank you. Mary Scott Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In our Temple office, we tell patrons that ordinances are not valid until they are all completed in the proper sequence, so if the endowment is completed on a card before the initiatory, for example, it won't be valid until the initiatory is finished. I would assume the same is true for the sealing. That said, I run into similar situations all the time doing my own family history when I find couple that have been sealed through extraction without their individual work being done. So I go ahead and finish it and it all works out in the end. :) Megan Smith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary S. Scott (Michigan) Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 1:16 PM To: Consultants Subject: [LDS-WC] Interested in your thoughts on sharing family file submissions with others In May I was approached by someone who said that they were related to a person I had in my reserve list.   The female in my family file still needed her initiatory and endowment.   Her husband's individual ordinances were all completed. He was also sealed to his own parents.   The couple still needed to be sealed together.   Since my family file runneth over, I released the information for this other patron to do.   Yesterday I was updating my records and noticed that the woman had reserved the female's needed individual ordinances BUT had completed the sealing to spouse ordinance for the couple.   Should I be concerned since the female's initiatory and endowment are still not done?   I know we are supposed to do the the ordinances in order but wonder if that rule exempts couple sealings. I wouldn't think so but was just wondering.   Any thoughts?   Thank you.   Mary Scott Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In May I was approached by someone who said that they were related to a person I had in my reserve list.   The female in my family file still needed her initiatory and endowment.   Her husband's individual ordinances were all completed. He was also sealed to his own parents.   The couple still needed to be sealed together.   Since my family file runneth over, I released the information for this other patron to do.   Yesterday I was updating my records and noticed that the woman had reserved the female's needed individual ordinances BUT had completed the sealing to spouse ordinance for the couple.   Should I be concerned since the female's initiatory and endowment are still not done?   I know we are supposed to do the the ordinances in order but wonder if that rule exempts couple sealings. I wouldn't think so but was just wondering.   Any thoughts?   Thank you.   Mary Scott

After you get the permission then you should be able t o research census, etc. to find his parent's info. Until u have permission, the rest seems not that important to me. Nancy Scott Sent from my Epic 4g -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Gibert <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] help for temple ordinance My question is how do I submit it. I do not have his parents information, and his mother is still living. The sister who wants to do this is not married. Thanks Nancy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] help for temple ordinance Are u submitting the ex as a spouse linked to the Sister or just submitting him as a child with his parents? Is the Sister currently married? To me, it makes sense to putin the marriage data regardless of where you put the ex in the tree but if you are connecting them in a tree yet not doing a sealing it does not make sense to me to leave the data out. I have been married 3 times. Twice to my current husband that bein.g the 1st and 3rd marriage. I have all of the marriages/divorces recorded in nFS. I figure there is no reason for someone else to wonder about the situation whether it is the same person or what. My 4 children belong to the 2nd marriage so it could be confusing. Nancy Scott Sent from my Epic 4g -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Gibert <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] help for temple ordinance Thanks, there were no children from this marriage. Do I need the marriage date and divorce date? RS president told me to check with the sister to see if she got permission. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Karen Tippets Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 8:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] help for temple ordinance Ask the RS if the Sister has contact the mother & gotten permission. The Church is becoming very adamant about that these days Were there any children from the marriage? They would take precedence over the mother in getting permission, I'd think. And she would only need permission from one of them. And for that matter, they might want to do their father, or be present when his work is done. Karen On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Nancy Gibert <[email protected]>wrote: > We have a new sister in our ward who has been a member for just over a > year. > > She has gone to the temple once and did work for her sisters. > > > > She wants to do the work for her deceased ex-husband. I have been > asked to help her get the card ready. > > I have his birth date, and place in Sheffield, England. Death 23 Dec. > 2009 > in Livonia, Wayne, MI > > > > I do not have their marriage or divorce date but she does not want to > be sealed to he, she just wants the work done. > > > > How do enter this on new family search and get the sheet ready? When > she had asked me in the past I knew that his mother was still living > so I told her she needed to get permission. I don't know if she has > done that yet but my RS president just called and asked me to help her > get the card ready for this Friday. > > Thanks > > Nancy > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just one! Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message