This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CelesteHolly51 Surnames: Hooker, Lawson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lawson/6860.1.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am replying here instead of through Ancestry. Due to the early date of David's birth you may never know his father's given/first name. Have you found his mother in 1800 on a census or do you know her parents to find her father on a tax list if that 1800 census where she lived is not available? If you could find the Hooker family near her family in 1800 it might be a possibility, but you may never know the father's given name as we may never know the exact given name of the father ( b c 1750s) of our 6 Hooker brothers line. But you do know, from the unusual yDNA haplo, that he was a Hooker male from the line of that area around PCVA where this original Native American male took the Hooker name or maybe a Native American brother/relative of that "Hooker" first male. So you can trace David back to this Hooker male b c 1700 as he was the "first" with that name. The Crowe match is the same type situation as yours; the father was a male from this Hooker line. That was a Crowe female at some point had a child with a Hooker male and gave the child the mother's maiden name. Or maybe with the Crowe it was an adoption. I have not spoken with them, but they do not match other Crowes, just Hookers, from what I have seen. He is listed on our Hooker yDNa site. There were several marriages/liasons between Lawsons and Hookers (in that NA line) in the 1800s all along the VA/NC/TN border there. Again, there could have been a brother/male relative (who did not take the Hooker surname) to our first Native American (the Hooker surnamed one), but they would all trace back to the same Native American male ancestor in that era - late 1600s/early 1700s. Celeste (I think we have coresponded before) adellaholly@yahoo.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.