This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jamesmoss171 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lawson/2722.1.1.2.1.1.3.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Does your Morgan line link to Mary Ann Morgan b.Oct.24, 1796 Tennessee? d. Aug. 24, 1879 Putnam Co. Missouri? She married Thomas L Lawson. b.June 7, 1793 Claiborn Co. Tn. and died Oct. 7 1874 Putnam Co. Missouri. Both are Buried in Cain Ford Cemetery. These are my. She is my GGG Grandmother. I cant find her parents. I dont know if she has any Indian blood. I think her sister, Leannah married a Nathan Lawson. The father may be a William Morgan with a wife of Mahala. No proof on this. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jlakin46 Surnames: Lawson Crowe Hooker Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lawson/2722.1.1.2.1.1.3.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi again, William is a family name in our line, but your William is not familiar to me. Our Lawsons left Scott Co VA in 1838 and went to Logan Co VA/WV and stayed in that area. Yes, the Q Haplogroup indicates Native American, so our male line is Indian, most likely Cherokee. They are not on any rolls. We do have 2 DNA matches with other surnames. The oldest appears to be Crowe, but that line hasn't been traced any further back than 1850 KY. The other surname is Hooker and that family had been traced back to Patrick/Henry Co VA 1750. We don't know how or when the connection happened. Maybe as early as the 1600s. Janet Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: amorgan321 Surnames: Morgan Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lawson/2722.1.1.2.1.1.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for the information. I see that you said your Lawson's don't fit. The Q meaning Indian heratage. You might know some of my Lawson's. Do you know a William C Lawson wife Sarah maybe Franklin my greatgrandparents. My granddaddy was Harlon J Morgan my granny was Zonie Lawson Morgan. They raised a family in Jackson county Alambam beginning around 1920. Thanks Ann Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

That's what the posting says. Check your inbox. Mim -----Original Message----- From: lawson-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lawson-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joyce G. Reece Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:28 PM To: lawson@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAWSON] FW: native american lawsons Mim Is this particular William supposed to be the son of Joseph? Joyce Gaston Reece -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mim" <mim@wmis.net> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:18 PM To: <lawson@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LAWSON] FW: native american lawsons > If anyone finds an Elizabeth "Betsy" LAWSON b ca 1785-1800 who had > native blood, probably Cherokee, may have been born in NC, GA or VA and > lived in TN about 1810 then disappears please contact me mim@wmis.net > Elizabeth married James SHELTON said to have been married in Greene > County, TN but could have and probably was Greene County, NC at that > time. We know the marriage took place because it was recorded in > Roderick SHELTON'S family Bible. > > I also have info from a posting about William MARTIN, son of General > Joseph MARTIN that goes to SC and could be related to the above > Elizabeth "Betsy". > > <<Charles Martin and unknown Cherokee woman. Charles and John Martin > were sons of William Martin, brother of Gen. Joseph Martin. Also there > were 2 daughters. Wm. Martin and his Cherokee family lived on the > Temassee River in Pendleton, SC.>> > > Thanks in advance. Mim > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAWSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAWSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mim Is this particular William supposed to be the son of Joseph? Joyce Gaston Reece -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mim" <mim@wmis.net> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:18 PM To: <lawson@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LAWSON] FW: native american lawsons > If anyone finds an Elizabeth "Betsy" LAWSON b ca 1785-1800 who had > native blood, probably Cherokee, may have been born in NC, GA or VA and > lived in TN about 1810 then disappears please contact me mim@wmis.net > Elizabeth married James SHELTON said to have been married in Greene > County, TN but could have and probably was Greene County, NC at that > time. We know the marriage took place because it was recorded in > Roderick SHELTON'S family Bible. > > I also have info from a posting about William MARTIN, son of General > Joseph MARTIN that goes to SC and could be related to the above > Elizabeth "Betsy". > > <<Charles Martin and unknown Cherokee woman. Charles and John Martin > were sons of William Martin, brother of Gen. Joseph Martin. Also there > were 2 daughters. Wm. Martin and his Cherokee family lived on the > Temassee River in Pendleton, SC.>> > > Thanks in advance. Mim > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAWSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

If anyone finds an Elizabeth "Betsy" LAWSON b ca 1785-1800 who had native blood, probably Cherokee, may have been born in NC, GA or VA and lived in TN about 1810 then disappears please contact me mim@wmis.net Elizabeth married James SHELTON said to have been married in Greene County, TN but could have and probably was Greene County, NC at that time. We know the marriage took place because it was recorded in Roderick SHELTON'S family Bible. I also have info from a posting about William MARTIN, son of General Joseph MARTIN that goes to SC and could be related to the above Elizabeth "Betsy". <<Charles Martin and unknown Cherokee woman. Charles and John Martin were sons of William Martin, brother of Gen. Joseph Martin. Also there were 2 daughters. Wm. Martin and his Cherokee family lived on the Temassee River in Pendleton, SC.>> Thanks in advance. Mim

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jlakin46 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lawson/2722.1.1.2.1.1.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Lawsons who lived near the Falling River have been given that designation just to make it easier to identify them. If you check out the Lawson DNA page, you can see some pedigrees of the people descended fron that group. Other Lawson groups have also "nicknames", such as the 'William Lawson, Scottish Rebel' group in VA. Their earliest known ancestor was William Lawson from Scotland. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

If anyone finds an Elizabeth "Betsy" LAWSON b ca 1785-1800 who had native blood, probably Cherokee, may have been born in NC, GA or VA and lived in TN about 1810 then disappears please contact me mim@wmis.net Elizabeth married James SHELTON said to have been married in Greene County, TN but could have and probably was Greene County, NC at that time. We know the marriage took place because it was recorded in Roderick SHELTON'S family Bible. I also have info from a posting about William MARTIN, son of General Joseph MARTIN that goes to SC and could be related to the above Elizabeth "Betsy". <<Charles Martin and unknown Cherokee woman. Charles and John Martin were sons of William Martin, brother of Gen. Joseph Martin. Also there were 2 daughters. Wm. Martin and his Cherokee family lived on the Temassee River in Pendleton, SC.>> Thanks in advance. Mim

Family Tree DNA, the company used by the Clan MacLaren Surname DNA Project is running a special on their Y-DNA tests. The Y-chromosome (the male sex chromosome) is passed by father to son, to son, to son, etc. virtually unchanged except for a very slow mutation rate. As a result, related males will have the same DNA test results, or close to it, if sufficient markers are tested. Based on experience in the Clan MacLaren Surname DNA Project with about 450 members, the 67-marker test is the one I recommend. This DNA project is supported by both the Clan MacLaren Society (based in Scotland) and the Clan MacLaren Society of North America. Additionally the Chief of Clan MacLaren and both Chieftains have tested in the DNA project. In order to get the reduced price, you have to join through a surname project (such as MacLaren) and you have to order and pay by 31 December. If you are interested in your genealogy, this is a great Christmas present. To test in the Clan MacLaren Surname DNA Project, you must be male (because the test is on the Y-chromosome) and bear one of the Clan surnames or spelling variants. Lawson, Losson, and other spelling variants are Clan surnames If you don't bear one of these surnames, but your surname has changed because of an adoption, name change, or other reason, then you can also join the project. In this case, your straight line male ancestry has to have a male ancestor who bears one of the Clan surnames. If you are female, you cannot test in this project since you don't have a Y-chromosome. However, you can still participate by getting a male relative who bears one of the Clan surnames to test. And if your descent from one of the Clan surnames about is from your maternal line, you can still participate by having a male MacLaren surname relative test -- even first, second, third, etc. cousins, uncles, grandparents, etc.. Also for females (as well as males), Family Tree DNA has sharply dropped their prices on the full sequence mtDNA test. This tests the entire mtDNA molecule. mtDNA is not a chromosome, but a DNA molecule that exists in the body of every cell. mtDNA is passed from a mother to her children (male and female), but the father does not pass his mtDNA on. The mutation rate on mtDNA is slower than that of the Y-chromosome, so it is not as useful in genealogy. However, if is of some use. This mtDNA test is not on special. Rather, the reduced price is permanent. So, if you are one of the surnames above, male or female, and are interested in investigating your maternal heritage, you are welcome to join the Clan MacLaren DNA Project and order the full sequence mtDNA test. I will be glad to answer any questions on this. Contact me directly at bobmclaren@earthlink.net (since I cannot cite prices on RootsWeb). Remember, the sale on Y-DNA ends 31 December. Put it on your Christmas list!! Yours aye, Bob McLaren Genealogist, Clan MacLaren Society (based in Scotland) Chairman, Genealogy Committee, Clan MacLaren Society of North America Administrator, Clan MacLaren Surname Project (Worldwide) Member, Association of Professional Genealogists Member, Genealogical Speakers Guild Robert McLaren bobmclaren@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pacekj Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lawson/604.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Shirley! I live in Oakley, Michigan and if you'd like I can try to find out more info for you if you'd like. You can contact me at pacekj@hotmail.com and in the subject please put Family tree info. so I don't delete it. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sllemkuil Surnames: Williams Lawson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lawson/2722.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Interesting discussion as always. However, what I was trying to get across is that the Williams did not have Native American blood. Susannah Williams was not full or part Native American. As I said, I do not know about the Lawson's. It does seem to be a recurring theme among Joseph W. Lawson's ancestors. What confuses me is how often they say Susannah's children were "half" or "full-blooded Cherokee" with nothing to back it up. The Williams had no Indian blood of any kind as far as I can tell. They were Welsh and German. I have done extensive research on them. All of my family on that side have high prominent cheekbones and larger noses, but I have seen photos of Susannah when she was older and she is not Native American. The only Indian stories my family has are when we arrived in the North West and there was a lot of contact with the Nez Perce. My great uncle traded with them and had a huge collection of Nez Perce artifacts, clothing, etc. He was well known in that area. Ralph Lowe Williams. There are Nez Perce Indians with the last name Williams. They took on the name of a man they admired, David Williams, but they are not related to him by blood, just by honor. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: drdjones Surnames: Lawson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lawson/2722.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I know that you didn't mean that. What I was trying to say is there is no doubt that some of our ancestors were Indians--but likely not Cherokee. However, the results of DNA testing suggest that not vey many have an Indian ancestor. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jlakin46 Surnames: Lawson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lawson/2722.1.1.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My apologies. I did not mean to imply that ALL Native Americans have or had blue eyes. I certianly don't mean to be snippy or smart mouthed about your comment, but I would be interested to know why the writers of the book you mentioned say that settlers who interbred with Indians did not have children. Could you pass on the name of the book and the author? Men and women being what they are, I would assume they had as many children as anyone else. If you estimate one man and woman having 3 sons in the 1500s/1600s that survived to adulthood and they each had 3 sons, by now, there would be hundreds of thousands of descendants over 4 or 5 hundred years, even taking into account wars and sickness. I think if anyone has an oral tradition of Native American ancestry, it is likely to be true Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jlakin46 Surnames: Lawson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lawson/2722.1.1.2.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm not surprised they decided not to apply. Many Native Americans decided it would be easier to try and blend in than to proclaim that ancestry. Our earliest known ancestor arrives in Logan Co in 1838 (from personal property tax records). Several of his children passed on what they knew QUIETLY to their children, but our old David Lawson, b about 1803, always wore his hair in braids! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pruble62 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lawson/2722.1.1.2.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I was hoping you did. I have seen a blue eyed Cherokee when I was in college and they told me it happens all the time. I figure there was an Irishman somewhere way back there but anyway, My Mom tried to trace our Indian blood and found a drop through the Englands via the Parks. However the family story says that Lucinda Rice Rogers was Indian and adopted by the Rice family. I have no proof of that either. When they didn't claim their Indian heritage it is hard to use the Guidion Rolls or anything else. My mother's folks died when she was a child but she remembers her Dad and his brother talking about applying for the Indian roll and then deciding not to do it. It carried to much stigma for them to try is what I was told. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jlakin46 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lawson/2722.1.1.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: No drats, we don't fit into ANY of the other lawsons! Our SNP test gave us a Q Haplogroup-Native American! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: drdjones Surnames: Lawson, Sizemore Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lawson/2722.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: All of the Indians that I have met were not blue-eyed. However, I remember when I was in Vietnam on a remote island on the Mekong River that I met a Vietnamese child with blue eyes and blond hair. Her mother was obviously Vietnamese. I suspect that her father was either Frenchman or an American. I am sure that the same thing happened with the Indians. The Indian roll applications are available on Footnote. You have to read them carefully to understand that the government had very good information on where Indians were and who likely (other than something like rape)to be Indian. Most of the Guion-Miller role applicants from the tri-state area were rejected on good grounds. Drewry Lawson's descendents, for example, were rejected because Drewry Lawson did not live in proximity to Indians in general, much less near Cherokees. According to government record, and it is supported by the Knoxville newspapers of the time and Tennessee Court records, the Cherokees ceded all of their land in East Tennessee, North Carolina, Kentucky, and Virginia except for some reservations about 1760. The remaining Cherokees were raiders and very unfriendly. There is no doubt, from DNA testing, that there were some Lawson who had an Indian father, but there are very few of them. The Sizemores of Kentucky, Tennessee, and North Carolina (identified as Indians by DNA testing) were rejected from the Eastern Cherokee roll not because they were not believed to be Indian, but because they could not have been Cherokee given where they originally lived. There is a very good book from the early 1700s about the natural history of North Carolina (it may be on google books) that explains which Indians lived where in North Carolina and why so few settlers interbred with the Indians of North Carolina or if they did why there were no children. I recommend it to anyone with an ancestor from North Carolina who thinks that their ancestor from North Carolina was an Indian. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pruble62 Surnames: Lawson, Rogers, England, etc. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lawson/2722.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I was told that blue eyes pop up all the time in the Cherokee tribe. Have you checked to see if you fit into the Falling River Lawsons? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jlakin46 Surnames: Lawson Hooker Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lawson/2722.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi all, Our Lawson line is apparently Native American (fron DNA tests). The first record,1830 census,shows the family in Scott Co Va. Before that, marriage licenses state some of the sons were b in TN. In 1838 the family fled to Logan Co WV. That date is significant. We have not been able to connect with any other Lawsons who match our DNA, tho we have matches with another surname in Henry Co in the 1700s, (Hooker), but about the Cherokee; some of them have been described as having blue eyes. These descriptions come from Civil War enlistment papers and other historical accounts as well. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sllemkuil Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lawson/2722.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Susannah Williams was from a family of Williams who have Welsh roots. Her mother Mary Ann (possibly Souder/Souers/Sowder) had German roots. So Susannah is white Northern European. I have no idea about Joseph Lawson, but his parents are Joel Lawson and Mary (Waregan?) Lawson. The Joel's and Mary's may be confused on the wedding record. Both Mary Ann Williams and Mary Lawson are alive in 1850 and 1860. Joel Williams died about 1847. I do not know about Joel Lawson. If Mariah Lydia Williams is part Cherokee, it is unlikely that it is half. At most it would be a quarter through Mary Lawson. Censuses list them all as white. I have seen Joseph and Susannah's children listed as "full-blooded Cherokee" which is not true. The Williams' siblings had blue eyes and light brown or reddish-blonde hair. We still have this coloring in some of our Williams' relatives. Only descendants of Susannah have this story of being Indian, so I must assume if it is true that it was from the Lawson side. It is most definitely not from the Williams' side. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.