Hello Beth, well ,we all will have to wait and see, my mother was rosie laws,john and pollys daughter. i just started this awhile back, i am working on three differant lines so, i need to do more on the laws side, but like you i have run into brick walls. However the death certicate states that grandpa john laws father is Dudley Laws and mother is Nancy [owens]Laws. How long has it been since you talk with Robin??? she has a web site for the laws ,you might want to check with her again, and in the mean time i will keep looking. we can find this all if we will keep hiting our head up against the wall. hope you and your family has good hoildays. Betty Jo