Lynn, Thanks so much for a VERY interesting story! He would fit in w/ some other characters I've dug up, however I'd be happy to prove my line past 1850 much less 1650!! Thanks for posting, Cindy Cindy Torres Owens 1023 Aquia Dr Stafford, VA 22554-1940 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/o/w/e/Cindy-L-Owens/index.html