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    1. Re: [LAWS-L] Charles Laws-Nancy Renfro Ogle
    2. Barbara Rutan
    3. Good Morning, It is great to find someone who knows about my line. I have been working on it on and off for awhile. But having to do it long distance has been more difficult. Charles Laws is my gggrandfather. Edward Laws b. 10-3-1894 in Yancey County, NC d. 11-19-1961 in the VA Hopsital in Columbia, SC. His wife was Lillie Mae Marsh b. 5-10-1898 in Captola, Ga and d. 9-29-1969 in Greenville County, SC. They had 7 children several are still alive. William Clayton is my ggrandfather he and Maury had 11 children that I know about most of them are still living. George Laws b. 1887 d. 1966 in Greenville County, SC m. Ella she was b. 1890 and died 1955 in Greenville County, SC. There are 4 children that I know of and they all are still living. Dollie Laws m. Frank Buchanan. Nancy Renfro Ogle remarried after Charles Laws died. She married Sam Hughes. I don't know if Renfro was her middle family name that had been passed down or if she had been married previously to an Ogle. No one in the family has been able to tell me. Do you know who Joseph Laws family was and who his parents were? How does your Charles parents fit into the family? I tend to believe that they are all connected somehow. We think they were from Wales part of England and they were coal miners and moved to the mountainous area of USA to mine coal. But that is just hearsay. Would really like to exchange information. Thanks so much for contacting me. Because so many of the people that I have in my tree are still alive I just can't post a lot of it on the web. Thanks Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Rabb" <wrabb@bigfoot.com> To: <LAWS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [LAWS-L] Charles Laws-Nancy Renfro Ogle > Welcome to the Laws-L, Barbara! > > The note you posted to the message board filtered through to the list right before you subscribed. I am also researching the Yancey County Laws families in hopes of finding a connection to my husband's mother's family. Your Charles Laws' parents were Joseph Laws and Catherine Presnell. Charles' parents were Meschack Laws, Sr. and Lucinda Ayers. > > I would be interested in additional information on the children of Charles and Nancy Renfro Laws. > > Thanks, > Wanda Rabb > Laws-L manager > > > >--- brutan@charter.net wrote: > > > > >> I am working on my grandmother's family. Her > >> parents were William Clayton Laws b. 1-15-1889 in > >> Huntvale, Yancey County, NC and d. 7-13-1964 in > >> Greenville County, SC and Maury Peterson was b. > >> 12-13-1879 and d. 1-6-1954 in Greenville County, SC. > >> The had 11 children. Charles Laws and Nancy Renfro > >> Ogle were William's parents. Charles children were > >> Edward, George, Dollie and William Clayton. If any > > > of this sounds familiar please contact me. > > > > > > ==== LAWS Mailing List ==== > Please post Laws related information at our GenConnect Board at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~schwartz/Laws/laws_bds.htm > >

    01/06/2002 05:33:21
    1. Re: [LAWS-L] Charles Laws-Nancy Renfro Ogle
    2. Wanda Rabb
    3. Welcome to the Laws-L, Barbara! The note you posted to the message board filtered through to the list right before you subscribed. I am also researching the Yancey County Laws families in hopes of finding a connection to my husband's mother's family. Your Charles Laws' parents were Joseph Laws and Catherine Presnell. Charles' parents were Meschack Laws, Sr. and Lucinda Ayers. I would be interested in additional information on the children of Charles and Nancy Renfro Laws. Thanks, Wanda Rabb Laws-L manager >--- brutan@charter.net wrote: > > >> I am working on my grandmother's family. Her >> parents were William Clayton Laws b. 1-15-1889 in >> Huntvale, Yancey County, NC and d. 7-13-1964 in >> Greenville County, SC and Maury Peterson was b. >> 12-13-1879 and d. 1-6-1954 in Greenville County, SC. >> The had 11 children. Charles Laws and Nancy Renfro >> Ogle were William's parents. Charles children were >> Edward, George, Dollie and William Clayton. If any > > of this sounds familiar please contact me. > >

    01/06/2002 04:38:56
    1. [LAWS-L] Re: [LAW] Re: Andrew Law
    2. john laws
    3. Hi Listers Can anyone tell me where one of our LAWS FAMILY REGISTER Subscribers has gone Andrew LAW last heard of at Maur in Switzerland email address andrewl@guernsey.net which bounces, if you know can you ask him to get in touch Best wishes to all the greater LAWS family for 2002 John P LAWS Welton Parish Councillor & Treewarden registrar@lawsfamilyregister.org.uk registrar@lawsfamilyassn.org.uk http://www.lawsfamilyregister.org.uk laws@one-name.org Listowner:- laws-uk-l@rootsweb.com Listowner:- wolstencroft-l@rootsweb.com Listowner:- tree-warden-links-l@nature.rootsweb.com Member of GOONS Putting Flesh on the Bones of History The LAWS FAMILY REGISTER welcomes your support, for details go to our website http://www.lawsfamilyregister.org.uk Join our newsgroup send a mail to LAWS-UK-L-Request@Rootsweb.com put nothing in the message other than the word SUBSCRIBE THIS Email is made out of environmentally friendly ASCII Text. Feel free to forward our newsletters to anyone who might be interested. This e-mail does NOT have any attachments from us. Any attachment should be regarded as a virus and be deleted. In this case, please notify us immediately!

    01/05/2002 04:37:49
    1. [LAWS-L] Charles Laws-Nancy Renfro Ogle
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/QAw.2ACIB/771 Message Board Post: I am working on my grandmother's family. Her parents were William Clayton Laws b. 1-15-1889 in Huntvale, Yancey County, NC and d. 7-13-1964 in Greenville County, SC and Maury Peterson was b. 12-13-1879 and d. 1-6-1954 in Greenville County, SC. The had 11 children. Charles Laws and Nancy Renfro Ogle were William's parents. Charles children were Edward, George, Dollie and William Clayton. If any of this sounds familiar please contact me.

    01/05/2002 12:18:38
    1. [LAWS-L] Selim (William) LAWS Family of 1700s Maryland? >1800s NC>TN
    2. Nancy Clayton
    3. Hello LAWS list: I've posted several times before -- always on the lookout for any new clues about my LAWS family. Happy 2002 to everyone on the list. Nancy :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Selim C. or (William C.) LAWS was born in North Carolina about 1816. He was a carpenter. His first name has been spelled as: Selim, Celem, Selam, William E., William C, and Bill. Cousins who are still living say he was called "Bill" at one point -- probably short for William? However, he is on TN census reports as Selam and Celem. We don't know who his parents were -- but there were several LAWS families living in North Carolina in the early 1800s. Some had come from Maryland - possibly with the EUBANKS or HOLLAND families? By 1850, there were many LAWS families in nearby Wilkes County and a few in Henderson and Yancy counties. I would think my Selim came from one of these LAWS families - being born about 1816 - then moving to Iredell County with his wife and family. There are two EXCELLENT clues we have about my LAWS family from an obituary of Robert Edwin LAWS (grandson of Selim) -- it said Robert descended from "revolutionary stock" -- meaning Selim's father or grandfather served in the Revolutionary War. I have a list from the DAR of LAWS men who served -- (please see the end of this e-mail for the list). Maybe one of these men is my Selim's Grandfather? Also, the obituary said William E. LAWS (Selim's son) was in the Confederate Army and died from wounds received at Gettysburg. Selim is listed on the Iredell County, NC census in 1850 as age 34, born in North Carolina. Would he be a son of one of the LAWS families in nearby Wilkes County? He is on the Claiborne County, Tennessee 1880 census as age 64, born in North Carolina. This means he was born about 1816 - in North Carolina, but knowing how census info can sometimes be off several years, I would use a range of 1810 to 1820 -- as his birth time. Does anyone have a male LAWS child in this age range in North Carolina during these years? He is found on the Iredell County, NC census in 1850, with wife Mary and five children, in the Sweet Home Post Office area. However, one of my cousins says at one time Selim and/or his family were in Brunswick, Iredell County (?), NC? (I have no written record of this.) One cousin says she thought she saw a Seli C. LAWS on the 1860 Iredell County census -- and a Salina LAWS -- but I don't know if these are my LAWS. The "SELI C." sounds like my Selim. If it is, he would be 44 years old. Sometime after the Civil War (1866-1868) Selim and his family moved to Tennessee -- Claiborne County or Union County. Selim married Mary E. or Mary EUBANKS about 1840 in North Carolina. Mary EUBANKS (Mary Elizabeth?) was born about 1824 in North Carolina. Possible ancestors of my Mary EUBANKS: There were two EUBANKS/EUBANK brothers - Richard and Thomas, who came to Maryland in the 1670s. Could this be my Mary EUBANKS line? 1. Richard EUBANKS b. England ca 1650-1660 m. Nancy ______ ...2. William EUBANKS b. Maryland ca 1695 m. Mary _______ ......3. William EUBANKS b. Maryland ca 1738-1750 d. 27 AUG 1816 Iredell County, NC m. Ester (Hester) (CONTIS?) .........4. William EUBANKS b. Maryland or NC 1770-1790 d. bef 1832 Iredell County, NC m. Sarah________ (born in Maryland) ............5. Mary EUBANKS b. Iredell County, NC 1824 m. Selim LAWS William EUBANKS (b. ca 1738-1750) and wife Hester were living in Iredell County before 1808. William sold land to John PATTERSON in 1808. William probably came from Maryland, as many families moved to Iredell County in the early 1800s, coming from Maryland. William left a will in Iredell County dated AUG 27, 1816. He named his wife Hester, a son William, and single daughters Barsheba and Sarah, and a married daughter Nancy EVANS. Children of William & Hester: 1. William EUBANKS b. ca 1770-1790 Maryland? d. bef 1832 m. Sarah _________ b. ca 1800 Maryland 2nd husband: Tillman HOLLAND Children by William EUBANKS: a. Eliza E. EUBANKS b. ca 1820-1830 NC b. Mary EUBANKS b. ca 1820-1830 NC (my GG Grandmother?) William EUBANKS died sometime before 1832. Sarah married in 1832. Sarah's 2nd husband was Tillmon HOLLAND. They had several children together. Iredell court books from the May term 1840 of court: "Ordered by the court that sheriff summons a jury of twelve good and lawful men to allot, lay off and assign to Sarah Holland, wife of Tilman Holland, one third part of the lands of William Eubanks her former husband." In the court book for two sessions earlier that this notation, that is, the November term 1839, there was this information: "Solomon Claywell appointed guardian of Eliza E. Eubanks and Mary Eubanks orphans of William Eubanks who gave security in the sum of two thousand dollars with John S. Patterson and Thomas L. Tucker securities." 2. Barsheba (Bethsheba) EUBANKS b. ca 1777 Maryland d. aft 1850 Iredell County, NC NOTE: Barsheba was listed as Bethsheba UBANKES on the 1850 Iredell County, NC census -- as age 73 3. Sarah EUBANKS b. ca 1790 Virginia d. aft 1860 Iredell County, NC NOTE: Sarah was listed as Sarah UBANKES on the 1850 & 1860 Iredell County, NC census -- living in Snow Creek P.O. area This is the same area as my LAWS family. 4. Nancy EUBANKS b. ca 1780-1790 Maryland? d. m. _________ EVANS (married before 1816 - date of father's will) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Celem C. Laws and wife (Mary E. EUBANKS) were on the 1850 census for Iredell County, North Carolina: > > Celem C. Laws, 34, farmer, $150, NC > > > Mary E. Laws, 26, NC > > > Eliza J. Laws, 9, NC > > > Wm. E. Laws, 8, NC > > > Ann Laws, 6, NC > > > Sarah E. Laws, 3, NC > > > Ruth S. Laws, 1, NC Children of Selim (Celim) LAWS and Mary (Elizabeth) EUBANKS: > > 1. Eliza J. LAWS > b. abt 1841 North Carolina > > > 2. William E. LAWS > b. abt 1842 North Carolina > d. after July 1863 (Battle of Gettysburg) > m. Eliza Jane MORGAN > b. ______ > d. abt 1871 > Note: One child: Robert - was left an orphan after both William E. LAWS and Eliza Jane Morgan died. Robert was adopted by his grandparents -- Selim & Mary LAWS abt 1871 > > Robert Edwin LAWS > b. 28 OCT 1864 Windsor, Canada > d. 19 OCT 1935 Covina, California > m. Jennie M. Heald > 1935 OBITUARY of Robert Edwin Laws, resident of Covina for the past 17 years, died at his home on West Dexter Street Saturday, October 19, from a heart attack. Mr Laws was 70 years of age at this time of his passing. Born in Windsor, Canada October 28, 1864, the deceased was the only child of William E. Laws and Eliza Jane Morgan. His father was descended from revolutionary stock. He served in the Confederate Army and died from wounds received at Gettysburg. Mr. Laws was left an orphan at the age of seven and resided with his paternal grandparents in Union County Tennessee. He attended the Academy at (faded out) Hill, securing a (faded out) to teach. He taught school in Texas and Kentucky and for six years in the state of Washington then a territory. Later he spent two years in Guatemala, engaging in farming. He married Jennie M. Heald 7-16-1896. After farming in Madera and Stanislaus counties until 1912 they moved with their family in Texas and thence to Old Mexico, leaving Mexico in 1914 because of the revolution. They returned to Southern California and remained in this district. He has been field manager for the Charter Oak Citrus association for the past 12 years. He maintained an active interest in national and local government affairs. He leaves his wife, Mrs.. Jennie M. Laws and two daughters, Mrs. Ruth Hepner of Covina and Mrs.. Bernice Nelson of Los Angeles. He was a member of the Modern Woodmen of America and the Moose orders. Funeral services were held Monday at 2:30 at the Christiansen and Moore Chapel with Mrs.. Brown, reader of the First Church of Christ, scientist, in charge. Interment was at Oakdale cemetery. > > 3. Ann LAWS > b. abt 1844 North Carolina > > > 4. Carmelia LAWS (Camila or Camilla) > b. abt 1846 North Carolina > > > 5. Sarah E. LAWS > b. abt 1847 North Carolina > > > 6. Susan Ruth LAWS (Ruth S.) > b. abt 1849 North Carolina > d. abt 1919 (age 70) Claiborne County, TN > > > 7. Mary LAWS > b. abt 1851 North Carolina > > > 8. Lisa M. LAWS (Lisa. N.) > b. abt 1856 North Carolina > > > 9. Catherine LAWS > b. abt 1858 North Carolina > > > 10. Laura C. Laws (Laura I.C.) > b. 27 JUN 1860 North Carolina > d. 19 AUG 1931 Claiborne County, TN > m. (1st) ______ Snyder (2nd) Dr. George P. Miller (3rd) Henry B. Carter > > > 11. Wiley Clinton LAWS (Clint) > b. 10 APR 1866 North Carolina > d. 6 JUL 1934 Claiborne County, TN > m. (abt 1886) Mary E. EDMONDSON > b. 31 JAN 1866 TN > d. 26 NOV 1930 Claiborne County, TN > (daughter of Elijah EDMONDSON & Catherine OWENS. > OBITUARY: W.C. Laws was born 4-10-1866 and died 7-6-1934. He was 68 years, 2 months, and 26 days old. He had been in failing health for quite a while, but for the last 2 weeks he was very sick. He said he was not afraid to die and was ready to go. He has selected his burial place and told how he wished his funeral carried out. He wanted Arlie Gose to hold the services. His request was to read the fifteenth chapter of First Corinthians. He is survived by two children, Mrs. Charles H. Minton of Middlesboro KY.,and Mr. Charles Laws, of Tazewell - ten grandchildren - and one brother, John Laws of Claiborne County. Funeral services were held last Sunday morning at ten o'clock at the Burchett cemetery on Straight Creek, with the Rev. Arlie Gose officiating. Children of Wiley Clinton LAWS & Catherine EDMONDSON LAWS: > > .....Myrtle (Myrtie) LAWS b. 1895 m. Charles H. MINTON (son of Robert MINTON & Manetia Niecie McBEE) (children: Charles, Mary, Cora, Vannah, Myrtle, Billie, Patsy, Charlene) > > .....Charles LAWS m. Roma Alice Jessee children: Mary, Swann David, Joyce Ruth, Myrtle, Mackie > > 12. John A. LAWS b. 15 JUN 1867 Tennessee d. 11 APR 1936 Claiborne County, TN m _________? (wife and 4 children living in 1936) OBITUARY: John Laws was born 6-15-1867 professed faith in Christ at an early age and joined the Missionary Baptist Church at Straight Creek, died 4-11-1936, age 68 years, ten months,and 4 days. He said he was ready to meet his Lord, and there was nothing in his way. He is survived by his wife and 4 children. Funeral services were conducted by Rev. H. C. Fletcher. Interment in the Brooks cemetery. > > 13. Martha Elizabeth LAWS (my great grandmother) b. 11 MAY 1868 New Tazewell, TN (Claiborne County) d. MAR 1941 Weslaco, TX m. Willie Fletcher KING (children: Elard KING, Otis KING) Martha Elizabeth LAWS and Willie Fletcher KING are my Great Grandparents. We have always had a mystery about Martha Elizabeth, as she told all of the family she had been left on the doorstep of two "old maid" aunts or sisters, when she was a little baby. These two ladies raised her in New Tazewell, Tennessee. She married Willie King and had two sons - Otis King and Elard King. The family moved to Ryan, Oklahoma in the early 1900s. Willie died, and Martha married Vincent Meyers (also from New Tazewell). Otis King married Tessie Ann Kelley and had my mother - Yuval King. Otis was a pioneer citrus grower in the lower Rio Grande Valley of Texas. My mother was the first baby born in the town of Weslaco, TX. > > 14. Harrison LAWS b. abt 1872 Union County, TN? NOTE: In the 1900 Claiborne County Census, there was a "cousin" - named David LAWS (born May, 1882 TN) who was living in this household. He would have been 18 at the time. We don't know anything about him. --------------------------------------------------------------------- DAR list of LAWS: (I don't know which one is connected to my Selim.) LAWS, Bolitha Birth: MD Circa 1720 Service: DE Rank: PS Death: DE Patriot Pensioned: No Widow Pensioned: No Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: No Spouse: Leah Sturgis LAWS, Elijah Birth: MD Circa 1725 Service: MD Rank: CS Death: MD Patriot Pensioned: No Widow Pensioned: No Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: No Spouse: Comfort X LAWS Jr, Elijah Birth: MD 1744 Service: MD Rank: Pvt Death: MD Patriot Pensioned: No Widow Pensioned: No Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: No Spouse: Patty Bird LAWS Sr, George Birth: NC Circa 1710 Service: NC Rank: PS Death: NC Patriot Pensioned: No Widow Pensioned: No Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: No Spouse: Mary Mulkey LAWS Jr, George Birth: Circa 1750-55 Service: NC Rank: PS Death: NC Patriot Pensioned: No Widow Pensioned: No Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: No Spouse: Susannah Stagg Spouse: Sarah Carpenter LAWS, Jeremiah Birth: EN Circa 1757 Service: VA Rank: Pvt Death: KY Patriot Pensioned: No Widow Pensioned: No Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: No Spouse: (1) Frances Durham Spouse: (2) Susanna Bailey LAWS, John Birth: MA 13 Jul 1748 Service: MA Rank: Pvt Death: NH 1 Oct 1800 Patriot Pensioned: No Widow Pensioned: No Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: No Spouse: Sarah Spaulding LAWS, John Birth: VA 1757 Service: VA Rank: Pvt Death: OH 27 Feb 1840 Patriot Pensioned: Yes Widow Pensioned: No Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: No Spouse: --- Spouse: Margaret Ransdale LAWS, Thomas Birth: MA 20 Nov 1737 Service: MA Rank: Pvt Death: MA 14 Sep 1803 Patriot Pensioned: No Widow Pensioned: No Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: No Spouse: Hannah X LAWS, William Birth: MD Circa 1753 Service: MD Rank: Pvt Death: MD Patriot Pensioned: No Widow Pensioned: No Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: No Spouse: Ann Fooks LAWS, William Birth: --- Circa 1735 Service: NC Rank: PS Death: NC Patriot Pensioned: No Widow Pensioned: No Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: No Spouse: X

    01/05/2002 11:58:52
    1. [LAWS-L] Welcome new subscriber
    2. Wanda Rabb
    3. Please join me in welcoming a returning member to the list: nyclay@rionet.cc We hope you will introduce yourself to the group and tell us about your Laws family! Wanda Rabb Laws-L manager

    01/03/2002 03:59:03
    1. [LAWS-L] William Laws - Wilkes County, NC
    2. Wanda Rabb
    3. I am forwarding a note (with permission) posted to the Lovelace-L regarding John Lovelace of Wilkes County because it does contain some Laws related documentation that some of you may be interested in. Wanda Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:53:25 -0800 From: "Jack D. Lovelace" <lovelacejd@earthlink.net> To: LOVELACE-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <E16M2cW-0004u0-00@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: John of Wilkes IS John of Halifax Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is an analysis of the data relating to John Lovelace of Richmond/Halifax Counties, Virginia and John Lovelace of Wilkes County, North Carolina which I have found in the archives for the Lovelace List. Any comments or questions appreciated. In some cases, John Lovelace (07 Sep 1727 - aft. 1800), son of Charles Lovelace and Bridgett Mc Laughlin, left a very prolific paper trail behind him. In other cases, he left nothing. John left numerous civil and legal documents in his trail but, so far, no marriage records or children's birth records have been found. John's birth, on 07 Sep 1737, was recorded in the parish register of the North Farnham Parish in Richmond County, Virginia. The next record we find for John is dated 15 Sep 1762, when he witnessed the will of John Oldham. In this document we find that John is married to one Leannah, who is probably Leannah Brown, the widow of James Oldham, and the sister, or aunt, of George Brown who also witnessed the will. (More research needs to be done in this area.) Based on John's age and Leannah's widowhood, they were probably married in 1860 or 1861. John and Leannah bought 40 acres on 30 Mar 1762, which they turned around and sold on 15 Sep 1763. It is not known if they left Richmond County at this time and then came back following the death of John's mother, Bridgett, or if they were living with her after they sold their farm. In either event, after John completed the administration of Bridgett's estate, in 1764, John and Leannah were in Halifax County, Virginia by 1765. Between 1765 and 19 Mar 1778 there are numerous civil and legal documents attesting to the presence of John Lovelace, son of Charles and Bridgett, in Halifax County, Virginia. We known which John it is because Leannah is also found as a witness on a deed for her brother, or nephew, George Brown, dated 06 Feb 1768. Thomas, John's brother, is also found in Halifax County during this time period. After 06 Feb 1768, no further record has been found for Leannah Brown Oldham Lovelace, so it is impossible to determine when she died. However, she was probably deceased by 1778. Leannah is definitely not Ann Laws. John and Leannah were definitely in Richmond County, Virginia, before 1765. William Laws, the father of Ann Laws, is documented as being in Halifax County since 1755. By 1778 John had acquired property near the Little Dutchman's Creek in Rowan County, North Carolina. This area would later be in Wilkes County, North Carolina. Again, we find numerous civil and legal documents to attest to John's presence in Wilkes County, North Carolina between 1778 and 1800. How do we known that John, son of Charles and Bridgett, and John of Wilkes are the same individual? After 19 Mar 1778, only one document bearing the signature of John Lovelace has been found in Halifax County. This is a deed, dated 24 Dec 1783, in which Henry Hereford of Burke County, North Carolina, sold 390 acres in Halifax County to Alexander Hitts of Halifax County, Virginia. This deed was not recorded until 18 Mar 1784. It is probable that John knew both of these men, or at least Alexander Hitts, and was asked to witness the document while residing in Wilkes County. On 15 May 1778, William Lowe/Laws purchased property in Wilkes County, North Carolina, and then sold his property in Halifax County, Virginia, on 02 Dec 1778. It is probable that John Lovelace and William Laws migrated together. This is the same William Laws who named his daughter "Ann Lovelace" in his will, which he wrote on 08 Jan 1780. When did John and Ann get married? It is not known. But the woman giving birth to John's children in 1790-1800 was not Leannah. The 1787 census data tells us that John had three sons under 21 and four daughters. In 1790, John had two sons over 16, three sons under sixteen, and four daughters. Between 1787 and 1790, two sons had been born. The 1800 census has four sons under ten, one son 10-16, and one son 16-26. John also had two daughters 10-16. Between 1790 and 1800, four sons had been born, the last was Permanus who was born in 1797. In 1800, John's wife is listed as 45+. Leannah and John were married by 1762, which means that Leannah was born in 1747, or earlier. This would put her age at 43 in 1790 and 53 in 1800. It is possible that a woman might have one, or even two, children after 40, but I doubt if she would have four. If Leannah was the widow of James Oldham, as is probable, then she was born in 1739, or earlier. This would make her at least 51 in 1790. Women do not have children in their 50's (except in very rare cases). It is probable that John Lovelace and Ann Laws were married 1775-1778 in Halifax County, Virginia. Combining the census counts for 1787, 1790, and 1800 and factoring in Ann's age, we get the following breakdown for John and Ann's children: 1770-1775 2 1 1775-1783 1 1 1783-1787 0 2 1787-1790 2 0 [One of these males is not present in 1800.] 1790-1800 4 0 The two males and one female born 1770-1775 are probably the children of John and Leannah. Timeline for John Lovelace (07 Sep 1737 - aft. 1792), son of Charles and Bridgett McLaughlin Lovelace, and John Lovelace (1750-1755 - aft. 1800) of Wilkes County, North Carolina. To facilitate comparison and analysis, John Lovelace, son of Charles and Bridgett, will be referred to as John of Halifax and John Lovelace of Wilkes County will be referred to as John of Wilkes. 1737 Sep 07 -- John of Halifax was born in North Farnham Parish, Richmond County, Virginia, to Charles Lovelace (1696 - 05 Dec 1755) and Bridgett McLaughlin (03 Jan 1793-94 - Apr 1764). 1749 -- John Loveless, Lunenburg County, Virginia, Tithes and Tithestables [This is probably the John Loveless who married 2nd Rachel VanHook.] 1750 -- John Loveless, Lunenburg County, Virginia, Tithes and Tithestables [This is probably the John Loveless who married 2nd Rachel VanHook.] 1754 Feb 04 -- James OLDHAM, will; 4 Feb 1754, 6 May 1754 son William land wheron I now live, for want of any heirs, to my dau. Tabitha, then to my son James OLDHAM otherwise called James HEYDON; b-i-l John BROWN; ex wife Leannah and John Brown; wits: George BROWN, Rawleigh TILLERY, A. HOBSON. "Wills of Richmond County, Virginia, 1699-1800" p.29 [Father of Tabitha Oldham] 1755 -- A John Lovelace and Henry Hardin witnessed a deed in Anson County, North Carolina. [I believe that this was probably John Lovelace of Craven County, South Carolina.] 1755 May 15 -- William Laws appointed to road gang. Halifax County, Virginia. 1756 Mar 18 -- William Laws appointed to road gang. Halifax County, Virginia. 1756 May 22 -- William Laws a juror. Halifax County, Virginia. 1756 Jun 17 -- William Laws gave oath to prove a deed. Halifax County, Virginia. 1756 Dec 16 -- William Laws ordered to maintain road. Halifax County, Virginia. 1757-1762 -- John of Halifax married Leannah Brown. The Lovelace Letters, Nov. 1986. Richmond County, Virginia. 1757 May 19 -- William Laws ordered to maintain road. Halifax County, Virginia. 1757 Oct 20 -- William Laws appointed to appraise estate of William Dendy. Halifax County, Virginia. 1762 May 20 -- William Laws witnessed deed for Welcom William Hodges. Halifax County, Virginia. 1762 Jan 29 -- Will of John Oldham, Richmond County, Virginia. Names dau. Anne Brown. Witnessed by: George Brown, John Lovelace and Leannah Lovelace. 1762 Mar 30 -- John Lovelace bought 40 ares from William Jeffres. Richmond County, Virginia. 1763 Sep 15 -- John of Halifax and William Jeffries sell 80 acres to Samuel Dobyns. Richmond County, Virginia. 1763 Dec 13 -- William Laws witnessed a deed. Halifax County, Virginia. 1764 -- John of Halifax administered the estate of his mother, Bridgett McLaughlin Lovelace. Richmond County, Virginia. 1765 -- Thomas Lovelace, brother of John of Halifax, married Tabitha Oldham, dau. of James Oldham and Tabitha Hayden. 1765 - 1769 -- John of Halifax sued Samuel Dobyns and James Forrester in Halifax County, Virginia. Brings suit against at least six other men in this time period. 1767 May 03 -- John of Halifax was a defendant in a court case in Richmond County, Virginia. Case was dismissed because John "has privately removed himself out of this county and the ordinary process of law cannot be served upon him." 1768 Feb 06 -- Leannah Lovelace witnessed a deed for George Brown in Halifax County, Virginia. 1768 Apr 13 -- John of Halifax witnessed a deed for Daniel Swelavent and Jacob Hamapton in Halifax County, Virginia. 1773 Sep 13 -- John of Halifax leased land from Barnett McCollough, for a term of 30 years, in Halifax County, Virginia. Witnessed by Thomas Lovelace, Alexander Davis, and Charles Spradling. 1774 Dec 08 -- John Lovelace 186 acres in Rich Valley, Fincastle County, Virginia. [This is John Loveless who married 2nd Rachel VanHook.] 1775 Dec 23 -- John of Halifax witnessed a deed for James Henry and William Ryburn. Recorded in Pittsylvania County, Virginia. 1776 Aug 1 -- John of Halifax witnessed a deed for his brother Thomas Lovelace in Halifax County, Virginia. 1778-1784 -- Washington County, Virginia. 1777-1784 on the list of constables, John Loveless. [This John has not been identified. Is not John of Halifax or John or Wilkes.] 1778 -- A John Lovelace owns property near Little Dutchman's Creek in Rowan County, North Carolina (this area later became Wilkes County). 1778 Feb 18 -- Joseph Petty, Richard Carter, and George Brown witnessed a deed for Thomas Lovelace. Halifax County, Virginia. 1778 Mar 19 -- John Lovelace, Hugh Ferguson, Jane Ferguson, Luke Williams, and Richard Brown witnessed a deed for Thomas Lovelace. Halifax County, Virginia. 1778 May 15 -- William Lowe buys property in Wilkes County, North Carolina. 1778 Dec 02 -- William and Mary Laws sell property in Halifax and Pittsylvania Counties, Virginia. 1779 Mar 05 -- John of Wilkes listed as a member of a committee for Insolvants in Captain Guests District, Wilkes County, North Carolina. 1779 Dec -- William Laws entered land request for 100 acres on Lewis Branch, Wilkes County, North Carolina. 1779 Dec 05 -- William Laws a juror in Wilkes County, North Carolina. 1780 Jan 06 -- Will of William Laws, written in Wilkes County, North Carolina, named dau. Ann Lovelace. 1780 Jun 09 -- John Laws, Sr., ordered to appraise estate of William Laws. date unknown -- Ann Laws' brother asked to be excused from a jury duty in a case involving John Lovelace. 1782 -- John of Wilkes is taxed on 400 acres in Captain Abraham Demoss' District, Wilkes County, North Carolina. 1783 Feb 15 -- John of Wilkes witnessed a deed in Wilkes County, North Carolina. 1783 Dec 24 -- John of Halifax witnessed a deed for Henry Herriford (Hereford) and Alexander Hitts. Recorded in Halifax County, Virginia on 18 Mar 1784. [Note: Herriford is from Burke County, North Carolina, which, in 1783, was adjacent to Wilkes County.] 1784 - 1787 -- John of Wilkes appears on the North Carolina state census for Wilkes County, North Carolina. One male 21-60, three males under 21, five females. 1785 Oct 27 -- John of Wilkes is a member of a road jury from Monravian Creek to the main road. Wilkes County, North Carolina. 1786 -- John of Wilkes witnessed the will of Philemon Crane. Wilkes County, North Carolina. Wilkes County, North Carolina: Wills, Book 1 1786 Apr 27 -- John of Wilkes was a member of a jury. Wilkes County, North Carolina. 1786 May 18 -- Deed from Mary Wilson to Charles Womack. Witnessed by Richard Brown, John Whitworth, William Watson Woamck, Thomas Lovelace. Halifax County, Virginia. 1786 Jul 27 -- John of Wilkes was a member of a jury. Wilkes County, North Carolina. 1789 Jul 09 -- John of Wilkes witnessed a deed. Wilkes County, North Carolina. 1790 -- John of Wilkes appears on the Federal census. Wilkes County, North Carolina. Counts: 03-03-05-00-00. [Two sons have been born since 1787.] 1792 -- John Lovelace was given power of attorney by Sarah Brown, widow of Richard Brown of Pittsylvania County, Virginia. Wilkes County, North Carolina: Wills, Book 1 1792 -- John of Wilkes was a bondsman for the estate of William Watters. Wilkes County, North Carolina: Wills, Book 1 1792 Jun 03 -- John of Wilkes witnessed a deed. Wilkes County, North Carolina. 1796 Mar 20 -- John of Wilkes bought property on Rocky Creek from Jeremia Piles. Wilkes County, North Carolina. 1800 -- John of Wilkes appears on the Federal census. Wilkes County, North Carolina. John and his wife are both over the age of 45. Counts: 41101-02001-00. [No daughter has been born since 1790. Four sons were born between 1790 and 1800.] 1806 -- The Moravian land lawsuit, which named John of Wilkes as a defendant, was settled. Allen Poe of Lenoir, Caldwell County, North Carolina, is/was suppose to be the towns local historian. He is alleged to have stated/written that John of Wilkes was a "Jr.", came from Lunenburg County, VA., and thought that John was not closely related, if related at all, to the other Lovelxxx families living in that part of NC during the late 1700's. [Note: Halifax County Virginia was created from Lunenburg County, Virginia.] QUESTIONS Does the North Farnham Parish records record the birth, or marriage, of James Oldham? Does the North Farnham Parish records record the birth, or marriage, of Leannah Brown? Can we find a marriage record for John Lovelace and Leannah Oldham? Jack D. Lovelace

    01/03/2002 08:45:33
    1. [LAWS-L] Obit of Eva Laws Benham-Truman
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Laws, Benham, Truman, Gunnells, Delph Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/QAw.2ACIB/770 Message Board Post: Heritage Media Southgate, MI December 2, 2001 BENHAM-TRUMAN, Eva L., Nov.27,2001, age 89, formerly of Ecorse. Dear mother of Betty Gunnells, Delores (Millard) Delph and Everett (Judy) Benham. Sister of Edward Laws, sister-in-law of Ted Czarnik. 17 grandchildren, several great granchildren and great great grandchildren also survive. Funeral services were held Friday at the Ballheim Funeral Home, Ecorse with interment at Ferndale Cemetery.

    01/03/2002 08:39:18
    1. [LAWS-L] Re: James Laws and Others
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/QAw.2ACIB/132.133.134.135.138.1 Message Board Post: Is this James Laws related in some way to Clemency Laws who was married to Christopher Meek?

    01/03/2002 01:58:02
    1. [LAWS-L] Re: James Laws and Others
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/QAw.2ACIB/132.133.134.135.138 Message Board Post: My maiden name is Laws my father was James Paul Laws and Clemency means great deed. My dad went to prison when I was five and my brother was one. His brother stole tires but his dad promised James if he said he did it and went to prison for his little brother he would give him some land when he came home. That was a lie no cards or calls my dad made fiddles violas brick mason and carpenter helped build many schools and hospitals Rumor was he had more children by another woman from 1955 to 1968 if you're out there I"d love to meet you I only have one brother

    01/02/2002 10:12:42
    1. [LAWS-L] Obit of Donald Frederick Laws
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Laws Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/QAw.2ACIB/769 Message Board Post: Virginian Pilot Norfolk, VA December 24, 2001 Donald F. Laws ELIZABETH CITY, NC -- Donald Frederick Laws, 74, of the 100 block of Windwood Drive, died Dec. 22, 2001. Oman Funeral Home and Crematory is in charge.

    12/30/2001 09:16:37
    1. [LAWS-L] Obit of Mabel Frances Laws Hawkins
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Laws, Hawkins, Price, Branch, Barker, Glenn, Byrd Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/QAw.2ACIB/768 Message Board Post: Hickory Record Hickory, NC December 28, 2001 MABEL F. HAWKINS Lenoir - Mabel Frances Hawkins, 68, of Fairview Drive, died Dec. 27, 2001 at Caldwell Memorial Hospital. Born April 26, 1933, in Caldwell County, she was a daughter of the late Andy and Dorothy Price Laws. A member of Nazareth Advent Christian Church, she retired as a machine operator with Drexel Furniture Industries. She was preceded in death by her husband, Laben Hawkins; two sons, Richard Hawkins and Bradley Hawkins; three brothers, Coye Laws, Dan Laws and Fred Laws; and two sisters, Toye Branch and Hazel Barker. Survivors include a son, Robert Hawkins of Lenoir; two daughters and a son-in-law, Gail Hawkins and Audrey and Gary Glenn of Lenoir; two brothers, Jess Laws and Joe Laws of Lenoir; a sister, Mary Byrd of Lenoir; six grandchildren and a great-grandchild. A graveside service will be conducted by the Rev. Rodney Raby at 2 p.m. Saturday at her church. Memorials may be made to Caldwell County Hospice, 902 Kirkwood St., Lenoir, N.C. 28645. Greer-McElveen Funeral Home is in charge of arrangements.

    12/30/2001 09:15:00
    1. [LAWS-L] Obituary of Lois Leta Mattingly-Banks
    2. Hello Laws Cousins and List-------- Lois Leta Mattingly-Banks deceased on December 18, 2001 in Mount Vernon, Texas. Lois was born December 22, 1913 in Franklin County, Texas the second child and second daughter of James William (Jim) and Ida Savannah Hays Mattingly. Her paternal grandparents were Paulina Frances Laws and Thomas A. Mattingly. Lois married Roger Joe Banks February 12, 1937 in Mount Vernon, Texas who preceded her in death in January 2001. Also preceding her in death are her parents, and brother, James L. Mattingly and sister, Florine Mattingly-Simms. Surviving are son, Ralph Banks and wife, Judy of Austin, Texas and son, Zack Banks and wife, Lorraine of Tyler, Texas. Surviving grandchildren are Roger and Randall Banks, and Julie Banks-Gilmore of Austin, Texas; and Kendall Banks of Gladewater and Kristi Banks-Martinez of Tyler, Texas. Also surviving are great-grandchildren Hannah Banks, Samuel Banks, Kassia Gilmore and Max Gilmore, all of Austin, Texas; and Kiley Banks of Gladewater. Lois is also survived by sisters, Lelia Mattingly-Jordan-Roberts of Mount Vernon, Gertrude Mattingly-Banks of Winnsboro, Texas, and Betty Mattingly-South-Sechrist of Wills Point, Texas, and brother, Robert L. (Bob) Mattingly of Winnsboro. Lois also leaves a host of cousins, nieces, nephews, friends and acquaintances who knew, loved and respected her, and who will miss her greatly. In addition to being a homemaker, Lois worked for and retired from Wilson Garment Manufacturing Company of Winnsboro. Funeral services were held at First Baptist Church of Mount Vernon with burial in Mount Vernon City Cemetery. Ralph Banks, Austin, Texas

    12/22/2001 04:28:21
    1. Re: [LAWS-L] Obituary of Lois Leta Mattingly-Banks
    2. Wanda Rabb
    3. Ralph, I am sorry to hear about your Mother's passing. I know it's difficult and especially so here at the holidays. I hope God gives you and your family the strength you need to get through this difficult time. We lost my father-in-law on November 17. We miss him dearly, as I know you miss your mother. Wanda --- RafB@aol.com wrote: > Hello Laws Cousins and List-------- > > Lois Leta Mattingly-Banks deceased on December > 18, 2001 in Mount Vernon, > Texas. Lois was born December 22, 1913 in Franklin > County, Texas the second > child and second daughter of James William (Jim) and > Ida Savannah Hays > Mattingly. Her paternal grandparents were Paulina > Frances Laws and Thomas A. > Mattingly. > Lois married Roger Joe Banks February 12, 1937 > in Mount Vernon, Texas > who preceded her in death in January 2001. Also > preceding her in death are > her parents, and brother, James L. Mattingly and > sister, Florine > Mattingly-Simms. > Surviving are son, Ralph Banks and wife, Judy > of Austin, Texas and son, > Zack Banks and wife, Lorraine of Tyler, Texas. > Surviving grandchildren are > Roger and Randall Banks, and Julie Banks-Gilmore of > Austin, Texas; and > Kendall Banks of Gladewater and Kristi > Banks-Martinez of Tyler, Texas. Also > surviving are great-grandchildren Hannah Banks, > Samuel Banks, Kassia Gilmore > and Max Gilmore, all of Austin, Texas; and Kiley > Banks of Gladewater. > Lois is also survived by sisters, Lelia > Mattingly-Jordan-Roberts of > Mount Vernon, Gertrude Mattingly-Banks of Winnsboro, > Texas, and Betty > Mattingly-South-Sechrist of Wills Point, Texas, and > brother, Robert L. (Bob) > Mattingly of Winnsboro. > Lois also leaves a host of cousins, nieces, > nephews, friends and > acquaintances who knew, loved and respected her, and > who will miss her > greatly. > In addition to being a homemaker, Lois worked > for and retired from > Wilson Garment Manufacturing Company of Winnsboro. > Funeral services were held at First Baptist > Church of Mount Vernon with > burial in Mount Vernon City Cemetery. > > Ralph Banks, Austin, Texas > > > ==== LAWS Mailing List ==== > You may search the Laws-L archives on the Rootsweb > web site at: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > In the surname field, type in LAWS > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com

    12/22/2001 02:30:49
    1. Re: [LAWS-L] Welcome new subscriber
    2. Marsha Eaton
    3. I'm afraid I no longer have time to devote to my family tree research. Is there an easy way to get off the emailing lists? Thanks, Marsha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Rabb" <wrabb@bigfoot.com> To: <LAWS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: [LAWS-L] Welcome new subscriber > Please join me in welcoming a new member to our list: > > bonnielady@mindspring.com > > We hope you will introduce yourself and tell us about the family you are > researching! > > Wanda Rabb > Laws-L manager > > > ==== LAWS Mailing List ==== > You may search the Laws-L archives on the Rootsweb web site at: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > In the surname field, type in LAWS >

    12/22/2001 12:52:33
    1. Re: [LAWS-L] Re: William Laws
    2. Good morning Beth, That is alright ,I know how mind boggling this research can be and i know how we all can get the names all tangle up in our head, so from here on out we are going to be in hot pursuite of our laws family. I pray we can find those ancesters that has been the reason for us all being here to search,and i enjoy so much helping others do so. after we all surrive these hoildays i sure will be jumping in with both feet. So on that note here is to you and your family MERRY-------------------------CHRISTMAS----SAFE --HEALTHY --NEW YEAR --------Betty Jo

    12/20/2001 10:14:41
    1. [LAWS-L]
    2. J&J Parker
    3. Hi Marg, John This is the info on the laws that I have. William Laws married Hariot Thompson in Hainford 1823. They had a son Thomas Alfred Laws born 1833, Thomas Alfred Laws married Maria Smith in Hainford 1860 Thomas Alfred Laws and Maria had the following childrenSarah Anne Rose born 1862 Hariot Emily born 1866 Caroline Amelia born 1869 Albertina born 1871 Leah born 1873 Thomas Elijah born 1873 Jessie William born 1874 John Alfred born 1864, John Alfred is my g g grandfather. He married Elizabeth Broxson in 1889 and they immigrated to Australia in the same year on the Dacca. They settled in Mackay Queensland. All of the above Laws were from Norfolk area. I hope this answers some questions and fills in some of the jigsaws . If there is some questions please Email privately jeff@bluepin.net.au Ps I am blind please excuse my grammer

    12/20/2001 05:50:27
    1. [LAWS-L] LAWS
    2. john laws
    3. Hi Marg I've been taking a look at your family in Hainford I've got all that only to add that Angelina was Cook to Henry WIMBLE at North Walsham NFK in 1881 Census Hi Jeff Were your Thomas and Maria at Yarmouth if so I can give you loads John P LAWS registrar@lawsfamilyregister.org.uk registrar@lawsfamilyassn.org.uk http://www.lawsfamilyregister.org.uk laws@one-name.org Listowner:- laws-uk-l@rootsweb.com Listowner:- wolstencroft-l@rootsweb.com Listowner:- tree-warden-links-l@nature.rootsweb.com Member of GOONS Putting Flesh on the Bones of History The LAWS FAMILY REGISTER welcomes your support, for details go to our website http://www.lawsfamilyregister.org.uk Join our newsgroup send a mail to LAWS-UK-L-Request@Rootsweb.com put nothing in the message other than the word SUBSCRIBE THIS Email is made out of environmentally friendly ASCII Text. Feel free to forward our newsletters to anyone who might be interested. This e-mail does NOT have any attachments from us. Any attachment should be regarded as a virus and be deleted. In this case, please notify us immediately!

    12/20/2001 05:18:13
    1. [LAWS-L] George Laws
    2. Ed Auld
    3. Looking for information on the Laws family from Graves County Ky, William Laws brn abt 1874 and brother John brn abt 1876 . Their father was George Laws, does anyone have any information on the parents of George. I'm not sure but I think George might have been born in Orange County North Carolina. Ed

    12/20/2001 04:13:21
    1. [LAWS-L] Re: William Laws
    2. Sorry Betty, I meant Dudley Laws, not Douglas Laws. Beth

    12/20/2001 01:08:52