BJ, Didn't have time to answer this before I left the house. . . No, court documents are not copyrighted and you can send them to the list? If anyone posts court records, it would be great to get the recording information also, volume (or book) and page, or sometimes a file number. This makes it a lot easier when you're going back to the courthouse to get a copy. Re: Family Traditions: Unfortunately, my Tubbs grandparents passed away in their early 30's and since they had moved away from their relatives in Union Parish, friends took in their children. I guess no one knew who to contact in Union Parish. So, any family traditions from that far back were lost (or new ones gained from the adoptive parents). Sally Hale Help Desk Coordinator [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Betty J. Cox [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, October 25, 1998 10:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: NO MAIL Yes, I think so, Sally... It's a comparison of David Redden to Ben Cartwright of Bonanza. I have found a descendent of Dr. Duren mentioned in it and hope to hear from her soon and will get back to you on it. I have been trying to think how I can add to the list at this time... Are court documents copyrighted or can I copy to OCR text and send to the list? Also, I'm wondering if list members might be interested in sharing some family traditions, foods, and other trivia from UP. My husband was born in CA and his dad died when Paul was a baby, but I just wonder how much of his family tradition might have originated in UP. I sure love this group! BJ

Gaylon, Thanks for your "lesson". Do you know how long ago these were written? The church that my folks founded down here has minutes and it is pretty interesting reading. They routinely "churched" folks who did not adhear to the rules....some for fighting and disorderly conduct in public. (All seemed pretty justifyable considering the times it occured in) I could be comfortable in your church. ;o) Guess that makes me hardshell! <BG> Thanks again. Jan At 08:30 PM 10/25/1998 -0600, Gaylon L Powell wrote: >Jan Craven wrote: > >> Those Primative Baptist were pretty "hardshell" from what I can gather. >> I have some ancestors that were here in Calcasieu Pr. who were founders >> of a little PB Church in the early years of Cal. and I have done some >> research and the big difference that I can find is that they were not >> evangelical >> beleiving more like the Presbyterians do, that we are chosen and that's that. >> Can anyone else shed some light on this......(not specifically related to >> Union pr, but I'm sure that many of us have these PB ancestors, as this was >> a fairly common denomination back then and there are not many of them now. > >Jan, > >Not only do I have roots that go back to Shiloh, but I am a member of the >Primitive Baptist Church. My Powell ancestors, who settled in Union Parish, were >PB. I do not know as of yet exactly which or where the church was that they >attended. I have no doubt that other family names of that church would include >BRITTON, EDWARDS, and there may be TABOR. I am posting the Articles of Faith of >the Primitive Baptists. Perhaps this will answer some questions you may have >about the PB's. > >Gaylon L Powell >[email protected] >Austin, Texas > > >Articles of Faith of the Primitive Baptist Church > >1. We believe in one only true and living God, and the Trinity of persons in the >God-head—Father, Son and Holy Ghost, and yet not three but one God. Deut. 6:4; >Mal. 2:10; 1 Cor. 8:6; 1 John 5:7. > >2. We believe that the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are divine >authority and the only rule of faith and practice. 2 Tim. 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20-21. > >3. We believe that the whole of the human family were created in Adam, their >seminal head, and that all alike fell in him by his transgression of the law, and >all partake of his sinful nature. Rom. 5:12,18-19; 1 Cor. 15:21-22. > >4. We believe in a covenant of redemption by the Holy Trinity and that a definite >number of fallen sons and daughters of Adam were chosen in Christ before the >world began, and that they should be holy and without blame before Him in love. >2 Sam. 23:5, Heb. 13:20-21; Eph. 1:4-12; John 6:37-40; Psa. 139:15-16; John >17:1-4. > >5. We believe that all the chosen in Christ shall be called, regenerated, and >sanctified by the Holy Spirit; and that they will be justified in the sight of >God by the righteousness of Christ imputed to them, and will be preserved through >grace and never fall finally away. John 6:37-40; John 17:2-4; Rom. 8:28-30; 2 >Thes. 2:13; John 10:28-30; 2 Tim 2:19. > >6. We believe that a knowledge of salvation is manifest to the heirs of promise >by a direct operation of the Holy Ghost in their hearts. Eph. 2:8-10; Heb. 11:6; >2 Cor. 4:16; 1 Cor 2:9. > >7. We believe that all the Spiritual blessings that are essential for the >consummation of the eternal salvation of the elect were given them in Christ >before the world began, and in time bestowed upon them by virtue of His Atonement >for them. Eph. 1:3-4; 2 Tim. 2:19; Rom. 5:9-11; 2 Tim. 1:9. > >8. We believe that baptism and the Lord's supper are ordinances of Jesus Christ >and that true believers are the only subjects of baptism and that immersion is >the only Apostolic mode. Matt. 28:19-20; Acts 2:37-39; Rom. 6:4; 1 Cor 11:24-26. > >9. We believe that washing the saint’s feet is an example and duty, enjoined by >Jesus Christ, and should be done in church capacity. John 13:5-15; 1 Tim. 5:10. > >10. We believe no minister has any right to administer the ordinances of the >gospel but one who is regularly baptized and called of God, and has come under >the imposition of the hands of the presbytery. 1 Tim. 4:14-16; Eph. 3:7; Heb. >5:4; Jer. 1:5; Jer. 3:15. > >11. We believe that none but regularly baptized believers have a right to commune >at the Lord's table. Luke 22:29-30; 1 Cor 11:24-29. > >12. We believe in the resurrection of the just and the unjust and that the vile >bodies of the saints shall be fashioned like unto the glorious body of Christ, >and the felicity of the saints and punishment of the wicked shall be >everlasting. Phil. 3:21; Acts 24:15; 1 Cor. 15:49; Dan. 12:2. > >13. We believe it disorderly for a member of the Church to unite with any secret >institutions of the day. 2 Cor. 6:14-17. > > > >

BJ and all. To answer your question about court documents. No the are not copyrighted. They are public property just as are the census and the old military records. You can put them on the list. Jan At 08:28 PM 10/25/1998 -0800, Betty J. Cox wrote: >Yes, I think so, Sally... It's a comparison of David Redden to Ben >Cartwright of Bonanza. I have found a descendent of Dr. Duren mentioned >in it and hope to hear from her soon and will get back to you on it. > >I have been trying to think how I can add to the list at this time... >Are court documents copyrighted or can I copy to OCR text and send to >the list? > >Also, I'm wondering if list members might be interested in sharing some >family traditions, foods, and other trivia from UP. My husband was born >in CA and his dad died when Paul was a baby, but I just wonder how much >of his family tradition might have originated in UP. > >I sure love this group! > >BJ > >

I tried to send Roy an E-mail and [email protected] It came back as having no such member. Can someone help me locate him? Thanks Candace

Yes, I think so, Sally... It's a comparison of David Redden to Ben Cartwright of Bonanza. I have found a descendent of Dr. Duren mentioned in it and hope to hear from her soon and will get back to you on it. I have been trying to think how I can add to the list at this time... Are court documents copyrighted or can I copy to OCR text and send to the list? Also, I'm wondering if list members might be interested in sharing some family traditions, foods, and other trivia from UP. My husband was born in CA and his dad died when Paul was a baby, but I just wonder how much of his family tradition might have originated in UP. I sure love this group! BJ

For Roy....I am so glad you are back with us...I have not heard from Morelle yet. I guess he has not been able to get the information for us yet. mary margaret

Jan Craven wrote: > Those Primative Baptist were pretty "hardshell" from what I can gather. > I have some ancestors that were here in Calcasieu Pr. who were founders > of a little PB Church in the early years of Cal. and I have done some > research and the big difference that I can find is that they were not > evangelical > beleiving more like the Presbyterians do, that we are chosen and that's that. > Can anyone else shed some light on this......(not specifically related to > Union pr, but I'm sure that many of us have these PB ancestors, as this was > a fairly common denomination back then and there are not many of them now. Jan, Not only do I have roots that go back to Shiloh, but I am a member of the Primitive Baptist Church. My Powell ancestors, who settled in Union Parish, were PB. I do not know as of yet exactly which or where the church was that they attended. I have no doubt that other family names of that church would include BRITTON, EDWARDS, and there may be TABOR. I am posting the Articles of Faith of the Primitive Baptists. Perhaps this will answer some questions you may have about the PB's. Gaylon L Powell [email protected] Austin, Texas Articles of Faith of the Primitive Baptist Church 1. We believe in one only true and living God, and the Trinity of persons in the God-head—Father, Son and Holy Ghost, and yet not three but one God. Deut. 6:4; Mal. 2:10; 1 Cor. 8:6; 1 John 5:7. 2. We believe that the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are divine authority and the only rule of faith and practice. 2 Tim. 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20-21. 3. We believe that the whole of the human family were created in Adam, their seminal head, and that all alike fell in him by his transgression of the law, and all partake of his sinful nature. Rom. 5:12,18-19; 1 Cor. 15:21-22. 4. We believe in a covenant of redemption by the Holy Trinity and that a definite number of fallen sons and daughters of Adam were chosen in Christ before the world began, and that they should be holy and without blame before Him in love. 2 Sam. 23:5, Heb. 13:20-21; Eph. 1:4-12; John 6:37-40; Psa. 139:15-16; John 17:1-4. 5. We believe that all the chosen in Christ shall be called, regenerated, and sanctified by the Holy Spirit; and that they will be justified in the sight of God by the righteousness of Christ imputed to them, and will be preserved through grace and never fall finally away. John 6:37-40; John 17:2-4; Rom. 8:28-30; 2 Thes. 2:13; John 10:28-30; 2 Tim 2:19. 6. We believe that a knowledge of salvation is manifest to the heirs of promise by a direct operation of the Holy Ghost in their hearts. Eph. 2:8-10; Heb. 11:6; 2 Cor. 4:16; 1 Cor 2:9. 7. We believe that all the Spiritual blessings that are essential for the consummation of the eternal salvation of the elect were given them in Christ before the world began, and in time bestowed upon them by virtue of His Atonement for them. Eph. 1:3-4; 2 Tim. 2:19; Rom. 5:9-11; 2 Tim. 1:9. 8. We believe that baptism and the Lord's supper are ordinances of Jesus Christ and that true believers are the only subjects of baptism and that immersion is the only Apostolic mode. Matt. 28:19-20; Acts 2:37-39; Rom. 6:4; 1 Cor 11:24-26. 9. We believe that washing the saint’s feet is an example and duty, enjoined by Jesus Christ, and should be done in church capacity. John 13:5-15; 1 Tim. 5:10. 10. We believe no minister has any right to administer the ordinances of the gospel but one who is regularly baptized and called of God, and has come under the imposition of the hands of the presbytery. 1 Tim. 4:14-16; Eph. 3:7; Heb. 5:4; Jer. 1:5; Jer. 3:15. 11. We believe that none but regularly baptized believers have a right to commune at the Lord's table. Luke 22:29-30; 1 Cor 11:24-29. 12. We believe in the resurrection of the just and the unjust and that the vile bodies of the saints shall be fashioned like unto the glorious body of Christ, and the felicity of the saints and punishment of the wicked shall be everlasting. Phil. 3:21; Acts 24:15; 1 Cor. 15:49; Dan. 12:2. 13. We believe it disorderly for a member of the Church to unite with any secret institutions of the day. 2 Cor. 6:14-17.

I understood that Roy was going to be away this past week - so if anyone is expecting a reply from him, he'll probably be getting back to you soon. I think I covered any inquiries that I might have had - if anyone is waiting on something from me, let me know. BJ, is the article that Roy has on David Redden the same as the one you sent to me? Addie Mae "Sally" Tubbs Hale Houston, Texas

Union Reunion is still in the works. I haven't heard when the Shiloh and/or Bernice celebrations will take place. Will make some calls this week. Am also talking with some of my contacts about the genealogy meets they have and am getting their additional input on how to handle several hundred people. Will try to post some items requiring volunteer help either Monday or Tuesday night. It took me a little longer than I thought to regroup from my out of town trip last week. Roy Austin

For those decended from Peyton Kennedy-Permelia Hall , Elizabeth Hall m. James Manning, William C. Hall, John Henry Hall,Sarah Hall m. John Sanders Norris, Laura Hall m. Harvey and Crawford. John Hall b. 1770 m. 1st Elizabeth Dupree 1794 Greensville Co. Va 2. Rebecca Hall b. 1795 m. Thomas Fielding 2. James Hall b. 1797 2. Benjamin Hall b. 1799 John Hall m. 2. Elizabeth Jordan 2. Martha Hall b. 1807 2. John Henry Hall b. 1809 2 . Elizabeth Hall b. 1812 2 Curtis Hall b. 1814 John Hall m. 3. Amy JOrdan 2. Permelia Hall b. 1816 2. Sarah Hall b. 1819 2 . William Hall b. 1820 2. Mary Hall b. 1823 2. Laura Hall John Hall died 1825 in Dallas Co. Ga. Elizabeth Dupree was the daughter of Jacob Dupree m. Mary Jordan Elizabeth and Amy Jordan were daughers of Michael Jordan and Cealy Phillips of Greensville Co. Va. Michael died before 1795 and Cealy m. Willie Peebles. Michael JOrdan m. Cealy Phillips Elizabeth Jordan AMy Jordan Henry Jordan b. 1783 d. 1859 in Sabine Parish La. (lived in Dallas Co. Ala) Michael Jordan and Mary Jordan Dupree were the children of Burwell Dupree and Amy Curtis Dupree a widow. The Jordan Line is as following: Samuel Jordan b. 1578 Wiltshire, Eng d. 1623 Jordans Journey James Town Charles City Va. (came to America 1610) 2. Thomas Jordan b. 1600 came in 1624. 3. Thomas Jordan b. 1635 m. Margaret Brassure 4. Robert Jordan m. Mary Belson 1670 5. Thomas Jordan b. 1691 6. Burwell Jordan Sr. Ralph

Louis Well, I am happy to get it. Sorry I can't shed any light on those questions you had. Wish I could! Jan At 03:02 PM 10/25/1998 -0600, Louis Taunton wrote: >Everyone - I apologize - trying to answer phone and email at the same time >is not the thing to do! The ( ) on the will of Henry Farrar are >mine - not in the will except the names of >the Negro Slaves. Hope this is of interest to some one as there are >Farrars by the dozens in >Union Parish, LA. Louis Taunton > >

Louis, The Ouachita Parish Web Coordinator is on this list, and I think she will see your query, but in case she doesn't, her Name is Sue Lynn Sandifer, and her e-mail address is: [email protected] . She is posting obits on an almost daily basis, and if you ask her she will post the long version for you. Karen

OOPS! Sorry, Sue Lynn! I plum forgot about you being here!! Jan At 02:21 PM 10/25/1998 -0800, Karen Kueteman wrote: >Louis, >The Ouachita Parish Web Coordinator is on this list, and I think she will >see your query, but in case she doesn't, her Name is Sue Lynn Sandifer, and >her e-mail address is: [email protected] . She is posting obits on an >almost daily basis, and if you ask her she will post the long version for >you. >Karen > >

Louis, Dot Golliher, who is the archives file manager for Ouachita for the lagenweb lives in Monroe. Maybe she can help you. Her email is [email protected] Tell her I sent ya. ;o) Jan At 02:02 PM 10/25/1998 -0600, you wrote: >Can someone tell me about who to contact in Monroe to look in last week's >papers for an obituary? Thanks Louis Taunton > >

Hi Louis. I am aware of the vandalism. Three of the baby graves that were destroyed were babies of our family. I have tried to get some interest in putting new markers there. I know where they are cause my father in law showed me where they were buried when we attended one of the reunions. Trudy Dumas was the pres. of the cemetery assoc the last I heard. She lives in Strong. I have her addy and phone #. Does anyone live in Strong that could give her a call and see if there are any church records? I'll send her information to you privately. If no one can make a local call, I'll call her and see what I can find out. Those Primative Baptist were pretty "hardshell" from what I can gather. I have some ancestors that were here in Calcasieu Pr. who were founders of a little PB Church in the early years of Cal. and I have done some research and the big difference that I can find is that they were not evangelical beleiving more like the Presbyterians do, that we are chosen and that's that. Can anyone else shed some light on this......(not specifically related to Union pr, but I'm sure that many of us have these PB ancestors, as this was a fairly common denomination back then and there are not many of them now. Jan At 01:58 PM 10/25/1998 -0600, you wrote: >Jan, Good Hope Baptist Church and Cemetery are in Arkansas practically on >the ARK/LA State Line. In my growing up years at Strong, it was known by >the old people as "Hardshell Baptist Church and Cemetery" (Primitive >Baptist). I wonder if there are any Church records for this church. >Several years ago vandals destroyed some of the markers. And in the last >ten years someone got the brilliant idea of moving the markers in rows so >that the cemetery would look better. So some of the tombs are not over >graves. Let me know if you find any Church Records, please. Thanks. Louis >Taunton > >

Everyone - I apologize - trying to answer phone and email at the same time is not the thing to do! The ( ) on the will of Henry Farrar are mine - not in the will except the names of the Negro Slaves. Hope this is of interest to some one as there are Farrars by the dozens in Union Parish, LA. Louis Taunton

This if for all the Farrar Descendants in Union Parish, LA: Will of Henry Farrar: In the name of God Amen. I, Henry Farrar, Sr., of the County of Perry and State of Alabama, being old and declining but of sound mind and memory do make this my last will and testament. At my death I will to my son, Winston Farrar, to have a Negro man named Washington. I also give to my son, John Landers Farrar, a Negro man named Duncan and to my son, Robert Francis Farrar, a Negro man named George and to my daughter, Elizabeth Lumuis (the last name is practically unreadable - anyone know what this name was ??) I give a Negro boy named Rubin during her natural life and at her death to her bodaly (?) heirs and to my daughter Judy I give a Negro woman and child (Mary and Godfrey) and to my son Henry Farrar (my ancestor) I give a Negro man named Jim and also to my daughter Miley (daughter by second wife, Obedience KELLY - this daughter died before she was grown and is buried in Perry County, AL) I give a Negro Woman and Child (Tara and Aaron) to the bodaly (?) heirs of my son Stephen Farrar, deceased, Martha, Judy, Elias, Louisa I give Fifty Dollars each and to my wife, Obedience Farrar, I give a good horse bridle and saddle and a Negro girl named Chaney and Two Hundred an Fifty Dollars in Cash and Land, Stock, Farming utencils, and Furniture to be sold and after paying any debts if any and defraying other expences and claimes the balance to be divided among the heirs and I do hereby nominate and appoint William McAdams and Edward Page executors to this my last will and Testament from under my hand and seal this Twentieth day of September one Thousand Eight Hundred and Forty Five. Executed in the presence of: John Grimes his William Spencer Henry X Farrar, Sr. (Seal) John L. Farrar mark Winston Farrar Recorded Dec. 18th, 1850

Can someone tell me about who to contact in Monroe to look in last week's papers for an obituary? Thanks Louis Taunton

Jan, Good Hope Baptist Church and Cemetery are in Arkansas practically on the ARK/LA State Line. In my growing up years at Strong, it was known by the old people as "Hardshell Baptist Church and Cemetery" (Primitive Baptist). I wonder if there are any Church records for this church. Several years ago vandals destroyed some of the markers. And in the last ten years someone got the brilliant idea of moving the markers in rows so that the cemetery would look better. So some of the tombs are not over graves. Let me know if you find any Church Records, please. Thanks. Louis Taunton

Hi gang, Y'all are just falling asleep, 'cause I'm not in there stirring things up!!! Been busy, but haven't forgotten you guys, my Union roots, or our hoped for Union Reunion. Just jump in there without me while I try to get a few things nailed down!! Karen