Hi everyone, Just to chime in on this discussion. A brother of one of my ancestors had a long term relationship with a free woman of color. He was Vincent Alexis Porche II (1761-1830). She was Adelaide Carmouche (c.1779-1859). They lived in Pointe Coupee. Before he died he had a document drawn up and notarized where he acknowledged every one of the 12 children Adelaide bore him and they were able to inherit what he left to them. To my knowledge Adelaide never had another relationship after Vincent Alexis died.. I have been in touch with Greg Osborn and he has a copy of that document. Not to look through rose colored glasses, but there were relationships like this and for sure there were "relationships" based on coersion and rape. I also think that slaves knew that if the "master" faored them, things would go better for them and they curried his favor. Unless we were there, there is no way we can say for sure what the relationship was truly like. Carol Stauder

This happens more than you would think.  I just recently did a genealogy for some friends of mine, who wanted to know their tree, and to see if I could find out what the secret was her elders kept. She had no idea, but was pleasantly surprised.  On her maternal grandmothers side, her grandmother had 1 grandmother, a fpc from Santa Domingo, and another grandmother, fpc born in New Orleans 1845. They both had children from a white man. Their race varied from census to census, and on some birth/death records from New Orleans one race was scratched out and another put in.  Very interesting research.   Sally ________________________________ From: carol stauder <seestauder@hotmail.com> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 11:39 AM Subject: [LAORLEAN] interracial relationships Hi everyone, Just to chime in on this discussion.  A brother of one of my ancestors had a long term relationship with a free woman of color.  He was Vincent Alexis Porche II (1761-1830).  She was Adelaide Carmouche (c.1779-1859).  They lived in Pointe Coupee.  Before he died he had a document drawn up and notarized where he acknowledged every one of the 12 children Adelaide bore him and they were able to inherit what he left to them.  To my knowledge Adelaide never had another relationship after Vincent Alexis died..  I have been in touch with Greg Osborn and he has a copy of that document. Not to look through rose colored glasses, but there were relationships like this and for sure there were "relationships" based on coersion and rape.  I also think that slaves knew that if the "master" faored them, things would go better for them and they curried his favor.  Unless we were there, there is no way we can say for sure what the relationship was truly like. Carol Stauder                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm so glad we've got this discussion going, and I hope those of you with stories like Carol's will pass the information on to Greg Orborn. I think research will show that men and women of different races had sexual relations and produced children for every sort of reason, sometimes an exercise of power on the part of a slave owner, sometimes an enslaved woman who saw an advantage to being the "master's" favorite, and sometimes mutual affection. And it wasn't always white men with women of color--sometimes it was the reverse. One of Marie Laveau's biracial great grandsons, Ernest Legendre, married a white women named Violet Caubert in 1910--in Orleans Parish, where interracial marriages were no longer legal. Armand and Gustave Macarty, sons of the white Jean Baptiste Barthelemy Macarty and the free woman of color CeCe Carpentier, went to New York City and married white women. Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "carol stauder" <seestauder@hotmail.com> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:39 PM Subject: [LAORLEAN] interracial relationships > > Hi everyone, > Just to chime in on this discussion. A brother of one of my ancestors had > a long term relationship with a free woman of color. He was Vincent > Alexis Porche II (1761-1830). She was Adelaide Carmouche (c.1779-1859). > They lived in Pointe Coupee. Before he died he had a document drawn up > and notarized where he acknowledged every one of the 12 children Adelaide > bore him and they were able to inherit what he left to them. To my > knowledge Adelaide never had another relationship after Vincent Alexis > died.. I have been in touch with Greg Osborn and he has a copy of that > document. > > Not to look through rose colored glasses, but there were relationships > like this and for sure there were "relationships" based on coersion and > rape. I also think that slaves knew that if the "master" favored them, > things would go better for them and they curried his favor. Unless we > were there, there is no way we can say for sure what the relationship was > truly like. > Carol Stauder > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >