Cate, I checked my notes from the 1869 Gardner's New Orleans City Directory which lists my Christopher Dillon family living "Austerlitz, corner Live Oak(today, Constance), Jefferson City." The same address is listed as early as 1853. So, the church would have been nearby. I am not certain about their religious affiliation......the older daughters were married in the Catholic Churches in parishes other than Orleans. For your "found certificates," where did you look???? In the Orleans Parish Courthouse, maybe? Jan -----Original Message----- From: Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:50 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Second Justice of the Peace question Jan, I think I found your reverend and church name in the NO 1870 City Directory on Fold3 ... and yes I said my St. Anthony prayer before searching. Now you'll see he can be a powerful intercessor ... even if the target isn't Catholic! Cate ;-} City Directory - New Orleans - 1870 (can't find the publisher information ... volume starts on page 32) page 257 Goodwyn, Philo. M. Rev. pastor, Cadiz St. Methodist Church, r. Cadiz, between Laurel and Jersey, Jefferson Now for my two cents... - Cadiz and Laurel are still street in NO, Jersey is probably now Annunciation St. (check NOPL web site) - I checked Google and it is Annunciation. - Jefferson refers to the city of Jefferson which is now a part of NO (also check Library and our friend Norm H. the map and church expert) - don't know anything about the Methodist Church records, perhaps Norm can give some insight. Now at 1201 Cadiz is a church call the Historic St. Peter African Methodist Episcopal Church. - do know not all " religious officiants" were diligent in returning papers to the courts (I have some I could never find service returns on), but I don't think there was strict accountability of the documents or nullification of marriages for lack of paper work returns. Hope this helps. C. -----Original Message----- From: Jan Delgehausen Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 3:37 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] Second Justice of the Peace question Recently, I ordered an Orleans Parish Marriage from the Justice of the Peace Index, dated 22 Nov 1870, VEC 678; pg. 355 It contained the information I was seeking. However, at the bottom of the document was a paragraph I have never seen before on any other Justice of the Peace marriage record.... and I have a few. It read: “The State of Louisiana, Parish of Orleans----City of new Orleans. License is hereby granted to the Rev’d (cannot read his name—may be P. M. Gordinn?) or any other person authorized by law to join in the Bonds of Matrimony (groom’s name) and (bride’s name) on complying with the legal Formalities; and he is required by law to return to this Court within thirty days a Certificate of the Celebration of Marriage hereby authorized, signed by himself, by the parties and three witnesses.” If there is a certificate with this information, where would I find it? I invite comments. Thanks to each of you, for your generous lookups, information and ideas, and discussions of all things New Orleans. Jan Delgehausen Baton Rouge, Louisiana ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jan, The record I have for a sacramental marriage is between one of my sets of maternal great grand parents. It is not a certified true copy, but rather just a microfilmed record of the marriage book record which I recall having gotten either at the NOPL or the state archives. It's the kind of record listed in the NOVA index pages. This is how the return service reads though it is a poor copy: "This is to Certify, That it appears from the Records of this office, that on this day, to wit: the {Sixth of January} in the year of our Lord, on thousand eight hundred and {Seventy four} and the ninety {eighth} of the Independence of the United States of America, {Jany 6th, 1874} was registered the marriage, celebrated in the city of {New Orleans} by {Rev. Durier} on the {29} day of {December 1873} between {John Heire} aged {blank} years (____years) a native of Louisiana son of {Louisa Heire and F. Heire} and {Louisa Weinberg} aged (____years) a native of {Louisiana} daughter of {Martin Weinberg and Lena Weinburg}. The celebration of the marriage was performed in the presence of the witnesses {cursive written names: Ninnie Alphonse & H. Drenn}. The License was issued on the {29th} day of {Oct 1873} by Hon {John Cain} 4th. Justice of the Peace, in the presence of the witnesses { cursive written: Anna Alphonse & Henry Drenn} {stamped with illegible name} Recorder of Births, Marriages and Deaths License returned and filed, Book No. J Folio 146" And of course I always have comments or explanations to go along with the source documents: { } - indicate items cursively hand written into the form " " - my transcription of document as I can read it. - Father Durier was pastor of Annunciation Church at the time. However, I don't know if they were married in the church proper or in the priest's parlor {sacramental blessing of a civil marriage by Justice of the Peace Cain.] This is quite possible since the license was issued two months before the marriage by the priest and I have never researched the licensing process for them since the marriage record was filed with the Recorders office. But, and as a family historian, you know there is always a but ... the old marriage license by banns or by bond is a question seems at play in your case. The Readers' Digest version of the "but", if you were a new immigrant, you almost certainly had to post a surety bond to get a license to marry. And most of the time the couples were married the same day by the JP first, even if a religious blessing was held later. If you were native born (as both John and Louisa were and lived in the church parish at the time) the clergy could get the license because he probably knew about you and there wasn't another spouse somewhere in the "old country" and he was surely more literate than most and could act as your agent rather than a needing a "bondsman" put up money on your behalf. My suggestion would be to try to locate your ancestors on the NOVA indexes and get the copy of that document ... not just the license... if it exists and was returned by the clergy or recorded by the JP. With other ancestors, I have yet to find anything but the license application and in some cases I have found neither ... only a married couple declared in a census record as proof of marriage. I figure, if it doesn't get me a big inheritance, I'm not getting in a big twit about a "legality" of more than 100 years ago, until I have solved all the other mysteries first. Even St. Anthony hasn't come through yet for some of them, but then I never promised the poor a reward either. <g> Cate ;-} PS Hope this makes sense to you. If not write me at my personal address and I'll try to think of other paths. -----Original Message----- From: Jan Delgehausen Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:05 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Second Justice of the Peace question Cate, I checked my notes from the 1869 Gardner's New Orleans City Directory which lists my Christopher Dillon family living "Austerlitz, corner Live Oak(today, Constance), Jefferson City." The same address is listed as early as 1853. So, the church would have been nearby. I am not certain about their religious affiliation......the older daughters were married in the Catholic Churches in parishes other than Orleans. For your "found certificates," where did you look???? In the Orleans Parish Courthouse, maybe? Jan -----Original Message----- From: Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:50 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Second Justice of the Peace question Jan, I think I found your reverend and church name in the NO 1870 City Directory on Fold3 ... and yes I said my St. Anthony prayer before searching. Now you'll see he can be a powerful intercessor ... even if the target isn't Catholic! Cate ;-} City Directory - New Orleans - 1870 (can't find the publisher information ... volume starts on page 32) page 257 Goodwyn, Philo. M. Rev. pastor, Cadiz St. Methodist Church, r. Cadiz, between Laurel and Jersey, Jefferson Now for my two cents... - Cadiz and Laurel are still street in NO, Jersey is probably now Annunciation St. (check NOPL web site) - I checked Google and it is Annunciation. - Jefferson refers to the city of Jefferson which is now a part of NO (also check Library and our friend Norm H. the map and church expert) - don't know anything about the Methodist Church records, perhaps Norm can give some insight. Now at 1201 Cadiz is a church call the Historic St. Peter African Methodist Episcopal Church. - do know not all " religious officiants" were diligent in returning papers to the courts (I have some I could never find service returns on), but I don't think there was strict accountability of the documents or nullification of marriages for lack of paper work returns. Hope this helps. C. -----Original Message----- From: Jan Delgehausen Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 3:37 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] Second Justice of the Peace question Recently, I ordered an Orleans Parish Marriage from the Justice of the Peace Index, dated 22 Nov 1870, VEC 678; pg. 355 It contained the information I was seeking. However, at the bottom of the document was a paragraph I have never seen before on any other Justice of the Peace marriage record.... and I have a few. It read: “The State of Louisiana, Parish of Orleans----City of new Orleans. License is hereby granted to the Rev’d (cannot read his name—may be P. M. Gordinn?) or any other person authorized by law to join in the Bonds of Matrimony (groom’s name) and (bride’s name) on complying with the legal Formalities; and he is required by law to return to this Court within thirty days a Certificate of the Celebration of Marriage hereby authorized, signed by himself, by the parties and three witnesses.” If there is a certificate with this information, where would I find it? I invite comments. Thanks to each of you, for your generous lookups, information and ideas, and discussions of all things New Orleans. Jan Delgehausen Baton Rouge, Louisiana ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message