Thank you Sheila! You have just stated (ONE OF) the BEST BENEFIT(s) of Ancestry - to me - the automatic backup of all the work that I (we) have done! I already lost a 2 Terrabyte external hard drive last fall - this stuff HAPPENS! - having years of work uploaded to Ancestry is a SAVING GRACE! And I don't care about having my tree be "private." I have met more cousins this way than I ever imagined! Thank you again, Kathy Cochran San Andreas, California -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Shelia Salomone Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 6:43 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Legacy I have to put my two cents worth in. I use FTM 2012. I do choose to upload to Ancestry only because I look at it as though Ancestry is my backup of all data in my family tree. If my computer crashed and I had no backup on a remote device I would lose it. Therefore, Ancestry is my external storage device. You can set Ancestry so that ALL of your tree is "PRIVATE". This is how I have mine set up. No one can see your data or tree unless you give them permission. The other nice thing is that the FTM 2012 program keeps the two databases in sync. If you make a change on FTM then it will be copied to Ancestry. And vice versa, if you make a change on Ancestry you will get the same change on FTM. But, this is a feature that you have control over. If you don't want them to stay synched then just turn the feature off. I personally like to do different things in each one just for ease of how certain processes work. For instance, I like to do my searches through Ancestry just because I find it easier. But, Ancestry does not have all of the features that FTM has such as People Merge and Find Duplicate Persons as well as other things. So, I do these tasks on FTM. Together they give me more flexibility. But, I also own a membership on Ancestry so there are more records available to me than a free membership. Now for LEGACY. I, too, have heard wonderful things about Legacy. There are features with it that is not available on FTM. But, my downfall is that it does not sync up to Ancestry. So, for me there would be more work involved finding the records on Ancestry or FTM and then transfer them to Legacy. But, all of these mentioned have the ability to download and save various GEDCOM files so that you could transfer them back and forth between different software. This may be the option I use so that I can take advantage of features in one that is not in the other. You just have to maintain the two or three and keep them in sync manually. I hope I did not bore everyone with the details and I would be glad to help you, Joan with the scenario that you would like if you have any problems! Just some things to think about when pondering "WHICH SOFTWARE FOR ME?"! Shelia -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 5:46 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Legacy I have both. You CAN download from FTM and Legacy is a pretty awesome program. I have both it & FTM on my PC but use my Mac program mainly. FTM is my second choice but only because I was so used to it (had it since 2.0). If you're open to something new, Legacy is very good. New Orleans Proud On Aug 18, 2012, at 6:55 PM, "Joan Grego" <jmgrego@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Hi, > > I just went on Legacy's web site and it looks like I can download from FTM. They give you the instructions. Also there is a lot of information about Legacy on their site. Guess I will be doing a lot of reading for the next few days. > > Thanks everyone. > Joan Grego > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5208 - Release Date: 08/18/12

Kathy, I don't mind sharing, but I do mind that Ancestry automatically has rights to all my info and sources to sell to others. If what I put on Ancestry was then free to all, it would be fine, as it was free to me. But lots of my sources, say: Copyright. All rights reserved or "not for resale" and I know for a fact that Ancestry has in it's info, that whatever you post on your tree becomes the property of Ancestry, including pictures. For example: "Some User Provided Content can be submitted to Ancestry and Ancestry will scan, image and/or create an index from the content you submit. In this situation, you grant Ancestry a license to the User Provided Content as described above and Ancestry will own the digital version of documents created by Ancestry as well as any indexed information that Ancestry creates." That is why I hesitate. I have lots of records from the churches that it took some digging to find. Will gladly share, for free, if someone asks, but do not want Ancestry selling (with their yrly subscriptions) for a profit. For back up, I use Carbonite which backs up my entire computer on a daily basis. I have had crashes and when I got back up and running, I just go to Carbonite, indicate full restore, and let it do it's thing. When I come back, my computer is just like it was before the crash. Carbonite has saved me at least 2 times and I have been running it at 2AM each night for over 4 yrs now. I might not always be in a position to afford Ancestry, but Carbonite is cheap enough to always have. Jan S - Orlando, FL -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Cochran Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:34 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Legacy Thank you Sheila! You have just stated (ONE OF) the BEST BENEFIT(s) of Ancestry - to me - the automatic backup of all the work that I (we) have done! I already lost a 2 Terrabyte external hard drive last fall - this stuff HAPPENS! - having years of work uploaded to Ancestry is a SAVING GRACE! And I don't care about having my tree be "private." I have met more cousins this way than I ever imagined! Thank you again, Kathy Cochran San Andreas, California -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Shelia Salomone Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 6:43 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Legacy I have to put my two cents worth in. I use FTM 2012. I do choose to upload to Ancestry only because I look at it as though Ancestry is my backup of all data in my family tree. If my computer crashed and I had no backup on a remote device I would lose it. Therefore, Ancestry is my external storage device. You can set Ancestry so that ALL of your tree is "PRIVATE". This is how I have mine set up. No one can see your data or tree unless you give them permission. The other nice thing is that the FTM 2012 program keeps the two databases in sync. If you make a change on FTM then it will be copied to Ancestry. And vice versa, if you make a change on Ancestry you will get the same change on FTM. But, this is a feature that you have control over. If you don't want them to stay synched then just turn the feature off. I personally like to do different things in each one just for ease of how certain processes work. For instance, I like to do my searches through Ancestry just because I find it easier. But, Ancestry does not have all of the features that FTM has such as People Merge and Find Duplicate Persons as well as other things. So, I do these tasks on FTM. Together they give me more flexibility. But, I also own a membership on Ancestry so there are more records available to me than a free membership. Now for LEGACY. I, too, have heard wonderful things about Legacy. There are features with it that is not available on FTM. But, my downfall is that it does not sync up to Ancestry. So, for me there would be more work involved finding the records on Ancestry or FTM and then transfer them to Legacy. But, all of these mentioned have the ability to download and save various GEDCOM files so that you could transfer them back and forth between different software. This may be the option I use so that I can take advantage of features in one that is not in the other. You just have to maintain the two or three and keep them in sync manually. I hope I did not bore everyone with the details and I would be glad to help you, Joan with the scenario that you would like if you have any problems! Just some things to think about when pondering "WHICH SOFTWARE FOR ME?"! Shelia -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 5:46 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Legacy I have both. You CAN download from FTM and Legacy is a pretty awesome program. I have both it & FTM on my PC but use my Mac program mainly. FTM is my second choice but only because I was so used to it (had it since 2.0). If you're open to something new, Legacy is very good. New Orleans Proud On Aug 18, 2012, at 6:55 PM, "Joan Grego" <jmgrego@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Hi, > > I just went on Legacy's web site and it looks like I can download from FTM. They give you the instructions. Also there is a lot of information about Legacy on their site. Guess I will be doing a lot of reading for the next few days. > > Thanks everyone. > Joan Grego > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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Hi all, Thought I might again put my two cents worth in. I am a software designer and developer so yes I am a techy person but I also love genealogy and would like to contribute any knowledge I have to anyone interested in listening. I hope my knowledge will help someone but I don't claim to be an expert in any field. And, I do not work for or advertise for Ancestry. But, here is what I know. Part of the membership to Ancestry (paid or free) is to access Other peoples data. This can only be accessed by your permission. You set up your tress as "Public' or "Private". Ancestry copies and indexes your data so they can make it available to other members. But, you ultimately have control over who sees it. If your tree is "Private" and someone does a search that would result in your information being returned, then Ancestry has to include you in the result set but will not show your Private information. The person searching gets a record that says this person has information on the search you did but they choose to make it "Private". They then have the option to contact you and ask if you would share that information with the interested party. I can then choose to share it or not with that individual. So, Ancestry DOES copy all of your information but it has to so it can make it available to others according to your rules. So, when you say they are selling your information then yes and no. Ancestry has free subscriptions that will return Family Trees of other members. Whether you can see that information or not is up to each individual through their Family Tree settings. I have several trees where some are private and others are open to the public. This is an option for all members paid or free. The paid part of the membership results in what records you can see such as Censuses, Vital Records, Marriage Indexes.......... Free members cannot see these records. I mentioned that I have private and public trees. My public trees contain my ancestors that I can "PROVE" the data and ones that I have sourced. The private trees are my researching tree where the data may or may not be correct but is in a state of being researched. These are the trees that I consider dangerous for others to copy. This is exactly how bad data gets perpetuated. And, it is not ONLY Ancestry where you can find badly perpetuated data. It is all over the internet. We can't teach people how to do GOOD genealogy. Many just want a name with dates and ADD it to their tree. They care nothing about sources or proofing their ancestors. These are in the category of "Dangerous genealogists". They share their data with others as the truth and unknowing beginners and unaware people use the data as their ancestors. But, these people can also be a help to us. I have found numerous Family trees that have given me a clue to an ancestor or a place to start searching or any number of hints. It is what we do with that information that separates each of us as a responsible genealogist at any level. Will you use unroofed and unsourced information in your tree as correct information or will you use it as a clue/hint to help you go in a direction that might help you find the proof of the information you obtained from someone else? The proliferation of bad data is not contained to Ancestry but because of its free membership, it really helps perpetuate some bad data. As for the SYNCH process in FTM, you have the option to turn it "ON" or "OFF". You do not have to load the data to Ancestry. As a test, I tried a couple of things. I deleted all of my information from Ancestry.com. I went in under a new user to see if the information was there and it was not. Although Ancestry still has a copy somewhere it is not being used. I also did as a test, I logged in as another user to see how private my trees were. They were private and I could not see the information. I like to share my data to help out the next person but I can't be responsible for how they treat my information. There is proof of this all over the web not just Ancestry! So, in the end, Jan, your information in your tree is Free to the public because it is contained in your tree. And, Kathleen, I have seen no evidence of data-mining the info and repackaging it. If I were a part of the Ancestry company though I might use members sources to potentially find other places to partner up with. For instance, if I sourced many of my ancestors through Father Hebert's book, then maybe Ancestry would consider contracting with Father Hebert's heirs to put his books on Ancestry for others to get the information. I am not saying this is what they do but I might do that if I were running the company. And, Ellen, you DO NOT have to share your information with Ancestry in any of the versions of FTM. My two cents worth and what I know! Shelia -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan B Strickland Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:54 AM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Legacy Kathy, I don't mind sharing, but I do mind that Ancestry automatically has rights to all my info and sources to sell to others. If what I put on Ancestry was then free to all, it would be fine, as it was free to me. But lots of my sources, say: Copyright. All rights reserved or "not for resale" and I know for a fact that Ancestry has in it's info, that whatever you post on your tree becomes the property of Ancestry, including pictures. For example: "Some User Provided Content can be submitted to Ancestry and Ancestry will scan, image and/or create an index from the content you submit. In this situation, you grant Ancestry a license to the User Provided Content as described above and Ancestry will own the digital version of documents created by Ancestry as well as any indexed information that Ancestry creates." That is why I hesitate. I have lots of records from the churches that it took some digging to find. Will gladly share, for free, if someone asks, but do not want Ancestry selling (with their yrly subscriptions) for a profit. For back up, I use Carbonite which backs up my entire computer on a daily basis. I have had crashes and when I got back up and running, I just go to Carbonite, indicate full restore, and let it do it's thing. When I come back, my computer is just like it was before the crash. Carbonite has saved me at least 2 times and I have been running it at 2AM each night for over 4 yrs now. I might not always be in a position to afford Ancestry, but Carbonite is cheap enough to always have. Jan S - Orlando, FL -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Cochran Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:34 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Legacy Thank you Sheila! You have just stated (ONE OF) the BEST BENEFIT(s) of Ancestry - to me - the automatic backup of all the work that I (we) have done! I already lost a 2 Terrabyte external hard drive last fall - this stuff HAPPENS! - having years of work uploaded to Ancestry is a SAVING GRACE! And I don't care about having my tree be "private." I have met more cousins this way than I ever imagined! Thank you again, Kathy Cochran San Andreas, California -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Shelia Salomone Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 6:43 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Legacy I have to put my two cents worth in. I use FTM 2012. I do choose to upload to Ancestry only because I look at it as though Ancestry is my backup of all data in my family tree. If my computer crashed and I had no backup on a remote device I would lose it. Therefore, Ancestry is my external storage device. You can set Ancestry so that ALL of your tree is "PRIVATE". This is how I have mine set up. No one can see your data or tree unless you give them permission. The other nice thing is that the FTM 2012 program keeps the two databases in sync. If you make a change on FTM then it will be copied to Ancestry. And vice versa, if you make a change on Ancestry you will get the same change on FTM. But, this is a feature that you have control over. If you don't want them to stay synched then just turn the feature off. I personally like to do different things in each one just for ease of how certain processes work. For instance, I like to do my searches through Ancestry just because I find it easier. But, Ancestry does not have all of the features that FTM has such as People Merge and Find Duplicate Persons as well as other things. So, I do these tasks on FTM. Together they give me more flexibility. But, I also own a membership on Ancestry so there are more records available to me than a free membership. Now for LEGACY. I, too, have heard wonderful things about Legacy. There are features with it that is not available on FTM. But, my downfall is that it does not sync up to Ancestry. So, for me there would be more work involved finding the records on Ancestry or FTM and then transfer them to Legacy. But, all of these mentioned have the ability to download and save various GEDCOM files so that you could transfer them back and forth between different software. This may be the option I use so that I can take advantage of features in one that is not in the other. You just have to maintain the two or three and keep them in sync manually. I hope I did not bore everyone with the details and I would be glad to help you, Joan with the scenario that you would like if you have any problems! Just some things to think about when pondering "WHICH SOFTWARE FOR ME?"! Shelia -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 5:46 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Legacy I have both. You CAN download from FTM and Legacy is a pretty awesome program. I have both it & FTM on my PC but use my Mac program mainly. FTM is my second choice but only because I was so used to it (had it since 2.0). If you're open to something new, Legacy is very good. New Orleans Proud On Aug 18, 2012, at 6:55 PM, "Joan Grego" <jmgrego@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Hi, > > I just went on Legacy's web site and it looks like I can download from FTM. They give you the instructions. Also there is a lot of information about Legacy on their site. Guess I will be doing a lot of reading for the next few days. > > Thanks everyone. > Joan Grego > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5208 - Release Date: 08/18/12 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message