Allison, Don't take not getting the information entirely that it's because of adoption. This happens in biological lines, too. A few months ago, a grandaughter of my grandmother's sister contacted me. She had a lot of pictures of that side of the family whom she couldn't identify. Another cousin gave her my number to talk to me. I was delighted to hear from her as I don't have genie contact with many from that side of the family. She sent me about 2 dozen of the undentified pictures, most of which I couldn't help with. In return, I printed the information I had in my geneology program and made copies of pictures of her grandmother and other members of that family. I did this because I'm always willing to share with someone who is definitely related to me and also it puts the information in someone else's hands in case something happens to my information (heaven forbid another hurricane!) She said she would mail more pictures for me to try to identify. To date I have not gotten a confirmation that she received the information I sent, a thank-you, or any more pictures. Let me say, though, the good out weighs the bad. I have had several contacts over the years who have been more than willing to share family information with me and I, in turn, shared with them (two or three I've met through this list). And I can't count all the wonderful people over the years, especially on this list, who have helped me solve some problems, taken the time to do look-ups, and pointed me in the right direction to get some information I lacked. AudreyB But this has been so upsetting because I really wanted the information in the family letters. And now I am left with the impression that I don't deserve to have it because I am not really family. That sucks. -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-request@rootsweb.com To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 7:21 pm Subject: LAORLEAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 122 Today's Topics: 1. Roll Call - the other part (Tuminco) 2. Re: adoption & genealogy (Wilson) 3. Re: adoption & genealogy (Allison Bartsch) 4. Re: McCarty Plantation (Cat) 5. Re: Roll Call (Rikard Hill) 6. Re: adoption & genealogy (Judy Riffel) 7. Re: Roll Call (joan_f_schaefer@sbcglobal.net) 8. Re: adoption & genealogy (Carolyn Long) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 07:36:04 +0800 From: Tuminco <tuminco@iinet.net.au> Subject: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call - the other part To: <LAORLEAN@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <C41CDC64.12F0%tuminco@iinet.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" This is the other part of the family that I am researching/searching TUIT (Belgium, Netherlands) KRUIJT (Belgium, Netherlands) WALLRAFF (Germany) MULLER/MUELLER (Germany) DOUST (England and Australia) HERITAGE (England and Australia) GOUGH (England and Australia) MORRALL (England and Australia) ROSSELL (England and Australia) PAVELY (England and Australia) LUQUETTE (US and beyond) DIAZ (US and beyond) MENDEZ (Us and beyond) HARSELAAR (US and beyond) GILLAM (England and Australia) TURNER (England and Australia) BOGLE (England and Australia) HYMUS (England and Australia) BENNETT (England and Australia) PEARSE (England and Australia) PARADISE (England US and Australia) THOMPSON (England US and Australia) ... and of course anywhere else!! Again ? with thanks Leonie Tuit Perth, Western Australia ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:41:42 -0500 From: "Wilson" <redhangar@charter.net> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000301c896ad$6fcc0790$6501a8c0@bzf9d01> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I don't believe that it is fair to call someone a "bloodline snob". Many researchers are looking for their heritage - which is bloodline. Genealogy research, as its very nature is bloodline. Some want to join heritage organizations, others just want the information. I see no reason that an adopted person should not research their adopted family's heritage. Just be sure to not pass along or include any of the information on themselves as "family". Sounds harsh, but the truth is that Genealogy is truly about Bloodline. We had a situation in our family that involved an adopted person (who did not know they were adopted) supplying information that was erroneous and caused many problems in having people believing and researching the wrong lines. Love and respect your adopted family as I am sure they do you. But please be careful to only pass along bloodline information Wilson Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Carpenter" <mbarker@austin.rr.com> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy > Hi Allison > > I have double that situation. My father is adopted and my husband is > adopted. We know both my fathers birth parents and my husband knows his > birth mother. My dad, who is 68, actually met his birth grandfather, and > his uncle and his wife and son. They were very pleased to meet us and > gave > my father alot of information. My dads adopted family has been nothing > but > accepting of him and is even called son by most of his family, who all > know > he is adopted. The only issue is that I just don't tell the adopted > family > that I am researching the birth family. It would hurt their feeling > because > they just don't concidered him differant from the rest of the family. > When > I talk to extended family researchers from the adopted line I just don't > say > anything about him being adopted. If they don't already know I never > bring > it up. My dad has the same name as my grandfather, is the oldest, and has > two sibling who where not adopted so it all "seems normal". > All that said, I believe that it really depends on the researcher. > Some are what I call "real bloodline snobs". Others are interested in the > entire family, whatever the family was. To me it is a differance between > Family History and Family Lineage. I say keep researching and > connecting. > If they choice to be rude than that is their lose. They are the ones who > are missing out on stories of family, courage, and love. > > Martha Carpenter > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allison Bartsch" <rb1000@hotmail.com> > To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 PM > Subject: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy > > >> Hi Nova, >> >> I have a question to ask the list. I was lucky enough to have the >> genealogy of my father's family done for me by an uncle years before I >> was >> born. I had always been interested in family history because it was >> there >> for me to know. My father's family had been on the Mississippi Coast >> (Biloxi) since D'Iberville landed. >> >> Nobody had done research on my mother's family, which is from New >> Orleans. >> My mother is adopted and there in comes the issue. My mother did not >> want >> me to pursue her biological family. My grandmother adopted three little >> girls, from the Protestant Home for Babies, in New Orleans. I even have >> mother's adoption papers with her birth mother's name listed. But none >> of >> the sisters have expressed any interest in their biological roots. >> However, they were eager for me to do research on their adopted family. >> Which I have done, with some measure of success. >> >> Apparently adoption is a volatile subject in genealogy. Recently, I have >> had two "cousins" stop corresponding with me as soon as they found out my >> mother was adopted. This has occurred within the last 6 months. >> >> I don't really know how to feel about this, it is quite upsetting. I >> dared not tell my mother or her sisters, because I would never say or do >> anything that would shame them about their adoption. >> >> Closer family members have done nothing but encourage me in my research. >> But I have had the snub happen before when I first started doing >> research, >> about six years ago. >> >> Can someone educate me about the prevailing attitude toward adoptees in >> genealogy? Are these snubs common for adoptees? Am I wrong in thinking >> that my mother's adopted family is just as legitimate as blood? I have >> and would never claim any type of heritage for joining associations like >> the DAR or their like. My grandmother was a great lady, and she chose my >> mother and her sisters to be her family, I don't see why we can't be her >> family too. >> >> Thank you for your consideration of this matter. >> >> Allison Eleuterius Bartsch >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:45:49 -0500 From: "Allison Bartsch" <rb1000@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV12958FE01D4C4A1BB54C00DEF60@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Martha, Thanks for your comments. Maybe part of my problem is that I tell everyone that my mother and her sisters are adopted. I felt like I was supposed to disclose that information. I was very frustrated last week because I sent a lot of good stuff that took me years to compile, to a "cousin" in Georgia. She had family letters that mentioned my great grandfather and his exploits. I sent the cousin the obit, and a picture of his headstone, and a scanned copy of confederate notes which bear his signature. In return, I was hoping she would send me copies of the letters mentioning my great grandfather. I haven't heard a word from her since my email mentioned the adoptions. And now I am sure I can't get the information because I am not blood family. I feel like a cartoon character with steam streaming from my ears. If I hadn't been so stupid, I might have gotten the information. I just didn't know to keep my mouth shut. I can't research my mother's biological family now. She is all up in my business and she would find out. It would be like her childhood whenever stupid people told her that she was not really family to her mother and father. So, I can't do any research on her biological family. I made a promise that I am going to keep. But this has been so upsetting because I really wanted the information in the family letters. And now I am left with the impression that I don't deserve to have it because I am not really family. That sucks. Anyway, I felt like I had to speak for the adoptees out there. I hoped that we are far enough along with our society that we were past trying to shame adoptees, but apparently some knuckle-draggers out there haven't evolved enough to render the defense unnecessary. Allison Eleuterius Bartsch ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:48:23 -0500 From: Cat <ambicat@charter.net> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] McCarty Plantation To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20080404234825.GIWQ11293.aarprv06.charter.net@donnow.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Try this from Grace King's book....lots on the Macarty family: http://tinyurl.com/5ckr2u >There is a description of the house close to the bottom of section >on the Macartys Cat Donnow http://www.ambiancestudio.com mailto:ambicat@charter.net ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:51:06 -0500 From: "Rikard Hill" <rikrikardo1@centurytel.net> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000201c896ae$c18824a0$6401a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Joan, Who were your HILL ancestors in NO? Mine were a German HILLE family from the Kingdom of Hanover that was anglicized to HILL about 1850. Heads of household were Henry Hill and John C. Hill Rikard Hill Defiance, MO -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of joan_f_schaefer@sbcglobal.net Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:37 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call I think so much about Burnses. Here is the other half, the Gregsons: Brauner Carreras Daly Dubernet Glaudi Gregson Hill Holzwarth Imholte Jane Kane Merriman Reinecker Sylvis Viola Joan Schaefer ----- Original Message ----- From: "mrszipp" <mrszipp@cox.net> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:40 PM Subject: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call > Would everyone on the list be up for a Roll Call? > > > Thanks > Bridgette > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:59:34 -0500 From: "Judy Riffel" <riffelj@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <005b01c896af$eebff5a0$5f01a8c0@userc1z2hkl8s7> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original The problem of sending information to relatives and having them snub you afterwards is not confined to adoptees. After you've be at this a while, you learn to hold back on some of the "good stuff" until you get something you want in return. I've already sent relatives info that took me 20 years and tons of money to compile only to hear them say, "is that it?" Needless to say, they didn't get any more. Fortunately, the vast majority are not like this. Judy Riffel Baton Rouge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allison Bartsch" <rb1000@hotmail.com> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy > Hi Martha, > > Thanks for your comments. Maybe part of my problem is that I tell > everyone > that my mother and her sisters are adopted. I felt like I was supposed to > disclose that information. I was very frustrated last week because I sent > a > lot of good stuff that took me years to compile, to a "cousin" in Georgia. > > She had family letters that mentioned my great grandfather and his > exploits. > I sent the cousin the obit, and a picture of his headstone, and a scanned > copy of confederate notes which bear his signature. In return, I was > hoping > she would send me copies of the letters mentioning my great grandfather. > I > haven't heard a word from her since my email mentioned the adoptions. And > now I am sure I can't get the information because I am not blood family. > I > feel like a cartoon character with steam streaming from my ears. If I > hadn't been so stupid, I might have gotten the information. I just didn't > know to keep my mouth shut. > > I can't research my mother's biological family now. She is all up in my > business and she would find out. It would be like her childhood whenever > stupid people told her that she was not really family to her mother and > father. So, I can't do any research on her biological family. I made a > promise that I am going to keep. > > But this has been so upsetting because I really wanted the information in > the family letters. And now I am left with the impression that I don't > deserve to have it because I am not really family. That sucks. > > Anyway, I felt like I had to speak for the adoptees out there. I hoped > that > we are far enough along with our society that we were past trying to shame > adoptees, but apparently some knuckle-draggers out there haven't evolved > enough to render the defense unnecessary. > > Allison Eleuterius Bartsch > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:58:48 -0500 From: <joan_f_schaefer@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000d01c896af$d51eae20$4101a8c0@JOAN> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dear Glen, My Anita Carreras, was born about 1926, was living in New Orleans in 1930 with her father Fred, Mother Anna, and little sister Frances. She married Raymond Gregson born about 1923, and they had three sons and two daughters, one son of whom died in 2002. I have Fred as Frederich in the 1920 Census in Louisiana, born in Cuba, and his two of his siblings also born in Cuba, and a sister Rachel born in Spain and a mother Amelia born in Spain. There is no husband mentioned in that household. Might he be your Federico? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Carreras" <genealogy@noesnada.com> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call > Joan, > > Does your Carreras line run through Salvador Carreras and Josefa Boada? > I'd be very interested in knowing more about that line in order to see > if they are related to my Carreras line. I only know that they were of > Spain, but not exactly where in Spain they lived. I have a scan of the > death certificate for Federico Carreras that I can email to you if you > are interested. > > Glen Carreras > > joan_f_schaefer@sbcglobal.net wrote: >> I think so much about Burnses. Here is the other half, the Gregsons: >> >> Brauner >> >> Carreras >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 20:14:27 -0500 From: "Carolyn Long" <carolynlong@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <410-2200846511427610@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Regarding attitudes toward adoption: I was adopted as an infant in 1940. I didn't learn that I was adopted until I was around nine years old, and the reason my adoptive mother told me then was to instill in me a sense of gratitude and duty, since I was perceived as a "difficult child." She told me never to tell anybody, since at that time there was a good deal of stigma attached to adoption. It took me years, until I was in my 30s, to even get my adoptive parents to let me see my adoption papers, and even then they wouldn't let me take them to be copied because "somebody might see them." It took me many more years to find my birth family, but I did get to meet my birth mother, three half-siblings, aunts, uncles, and cousins. All were very welcoming. Only last summer did I find my birth father, who unfortunately had been dead since 1979, around the time I started searching for my family. I would have hoped that by now attitudes toward adoption have gotten more enlightened. I'm certainly not ashamed of being an adoptee and I make no secret of it. I've researched both my adoptive and my birth families. Carolyn Long (originally Michael Anne Thompson, descended from Samuel Thompson, who, according to family lore, was a British soldier who deserted at the time of the Battle of New Orleans and settled in Mississippi) ------------------------------ To contact the LAORLEAN list administrator, send an email to LAORLEAN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the LAORLEAN mailing list, send an email to LAORLEAN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of LAORLEAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 122 ****************************************