Jan please put me on the spreadsheet list. Patrice Wilson Patrice.wilson@comcast.net On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 7:23 pm, laorlean-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Sound-alike names (ctregre7@cox.net) > 2. Re: Spreadsheet (Steven Floyd) > 3. Re: Sound-alike names (Cheramie Breaux) > 4. Re: Spreadsheet (Jan Strickland) > 5. Re: roll call (romayor2@aol.com) > 6. Re: roll call (Jan Strickland) > 7. Re: Sound-alike names (Emily Wise) > 8. Re: McCarty Plantation: Carolyn (Carolyn Long) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:13:30 -0400 > From: <ctregre7@cox.net> > Subject: [LAORLEAN] Sound-alike names > To: ZORLEANS MESSAGE BD <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <20080406171330.EITKO.31021.imail@eastrmwml06> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > We have often spoken on this list about the mistakes in spelling we > find in Census records, birth certificates, death certificates, etc. > > I have an ancestor whose surname I find spelled Ziffle. I have > suspected for a long time that this is a phonetic spelling. > Unfortunately, as I say the name over and over, I think of all kinds of > ways to spell that name. > > Recently Craig Borne said that he found his ancestor Bridgett's name > recorded as Richard. You know how Orleanians speak; a true Yat would > pronounce that Rich-it (which sounds exactly like Bridgett). > > I know that lots of the names we see in research are the same sort of > thing--where what I said is not what your ear heard. > > I ahved giggling to myself ever since Craig posted that information. > > Everyone here has a story similar to this one--where an ancestor's name > is garbled. > > Carolyn Tregre > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 16:09:49 -0500 > From: "Steven Floyd" <gandalf@interconnect.net> > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Spreadsheet > To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <FDF60D1F8C82482BBFF0A86BEA4B586B@StevenFloydPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Please include me as well. > > Steven Floyd > Gandalf@interconnect.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Rita > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 2:42 PM > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LAORLEAN] Spreadsheet > > Hey Jan > > Please put me on the spreadsheet list! Thanks! > > > > Rita > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WestBankGenealogySociety > Click "join this group" to set up your ID and password, then sign in > each > time you visit. > > --------------------------------- > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of > Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:25:32 -0500 > From: Cheramie Breaux <chamoo@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Sound-alike names > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20080406162431.030690b0@pop.east.cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > After searching for YEARS and YEARS for a marriage between Joseph > Martin > and Ellen Fitzsimmons, I found Ellen Fesimens...say it. :>) > > > > At 05:13 PM 4/6/2008 -0400, you wrote: >> We have often spoken on this list about the mistakes in spelling we >> find >> in Census records, birth certificates, death certificates, etc. >> >> I have an ancestor whose surname I find spelled Ziffle. I have >> suspected >> for a long time that this is a phonetic spelling. Unfortunately, as I >> say >> the name over and over, I think of all kinds of ways to spell that >> name. >> >> Recently Craig Borne said that he found his ancestor Bridgett's name >> recorded as Richard. You know how Orleanians speak; a true Yat would >> pronounce that Rich-it (which sounds exactly like Bridgett). >> >> I know that lots of the names we see in research are the same sort of >> thing--where what I said is not what your ear heard. >> >> I ahved giggling to myself ever since Craig posted that information. >> >> Everyone here has a story similar to this one--where an ancestor's >> name is >> garbled. >> >> Carolyn Tregre >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: >> 4/6/2008 >> 11:12 AM > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:57:17 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) > From: "Jan Strickland" <jans884@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Spreadsheet > To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <47F9473D.000044.01996@JAN> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > just updated my info on the old list from Jul2005 and sent it to > Bridgette. > Also it is saved as Excel97. > > Jan S - Orlando, FL > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Steven Floyd > Date: 4/6/2008 5:16:16 PM > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Spreadsheet > > Please include me as well. > > Steven Floyd > Gandalf@interconnect.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Rita > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 2:42 PM > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LAORLEAN] Spreadsheet > > Hey Jan > > Please put me on the spreadsheet list! Thanks! > > > > Rita > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WestBankGenealogySociety > Click "join this group" to set up your ID and password, then sign in > each > time you visit. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 18:41:23 -0400 > From: romayor2@aol.com > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CA664E79B2056E-1328-5900@mblk-d28.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Jan,? I feel so much better,? I thought I had OTD. > > Jan in S.E. TX > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Strickland <jans884@bellsouth.net> > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 2:33 pm > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call > > > > Linda, > > Sure has been a while since anyone called me "wonderful person", but > that > excel sheet was done by me. In fact I probably still have it and would > be glad to share it. It was quite an undertaking. Would sure be glad > to send it to anyone interested in updating it. It would be a great > idea > to pass it to everyone and let each person update their own info. > That's > about the only way to get it done easily. Sending it out to everyone > will > make it hard to work up and we would be right back to one person trying > to add everyones info. > > Jan S - Orlando, FL > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Linda Dean > Date: 4/6/2008 12:44:45 PM > To: peggy; laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call > > Yes, July of 2005 some wonderful person on our list, put this into an > excel > doc. I don't remember who did it, but I am sure it was a lot of work. > It > included the surname, submitter and their email address. Would be a > huge > job to keep updated, with new additions and changes in email addresses. > To > give you an idea of the extendt, the list was 2293 surnames! > > Linda Dean > > On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 8:49 AM, peggy <rooneytoon29@earthlink.net> > wrote: > >> >> I have an Excel spreadsheet that was done in July 2005. I'm not sure, >> but >> I think Cat posted it on her web site. It lists the surnames being >> researched, the person/persons researching them and their e-mail > address(s). >> >> peggy >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: romayor2@aol.com >> >Sent: Apr 6, 2008 8:13 AM >> >To: laorlean@rootsweb.com >> >Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call >> > >> >I thought this was talked about several years ago.? Does anyone >> remember?? >> > >> >Jan in SE TX >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: RHB <bennettrh@earthlink.net> >> >To: laorlean@rootsweb.com >> >Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 12:40 pm >> >Subject: [LAORLEAN] roll call >> > >> > >> > >> >It would be nice if someone "out there" who is handy with formatting >> >spread sheets could make a list of everyone who has submitted these >> >names, arrange us and our names alphabetically and then post it >> >somewhere... do we have an LAORLEAN website somewhere [Ancestry? >> >Myfamily?].... that way it would be easy to read and readily >> available. >> >Or save as a pdf formatted document which could be mailed out upon >> request. >> > >> >Or maybe someone might have a better idea of how to record and store >> all >> >our names.... >> > >> >Renee >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 18:47:37 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) > From: "Jan Strickland" <jans884@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call > To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <47F95309.00000D.02628@JAN> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Jan, I always heard it called CRS. You're fine. > > You are not loosing your mind, just getting a bit older. LOL > > Jan S - Orlando, FL > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: romayor2@aol.com > Date: 4/6/2008 6:42:21 PM > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call > > Jan,? I feel so much better,? I thought I had OTD. > > Jan in S.E. TX > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Strickland <jans884@bellsouth.net> > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 2:33 pm > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call > > > > Linda, > > Sure has been a while since anyone called me "wonderful person", but > that > excel sheet was done by me. In fact I probably still have it and would > be glad to share it. It was quite an undertaking. Would sure be glad > to send it to anyone interested in updating it. It would be a great > idea > to pass it to everyone and let each person update their own info. > That's > about the only way to get it done easily. Sending it out to everyone > will > make it hard to work up and we would be right back to one person trying > to add everyones info. > > Jan S - Orlando, FL > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Linda Dean > Date: 4/6/2008 12:44:45 PM > To: peggy; laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call > > Yes, July of 2005 some wonderful person on our list, put this into an > excel > doc. I don't remember who did it, but I am sure it was a lot of work. > It > included the surname, submitter and their email address. Would be a > huge > job to keep updated, with new additions and changes in email addresses. > To > give you an idea of the extendt, the list was 2293 surnames! > > Linda Dean > > On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 8:49 AM, peggy <rooneytoon29@earthlink.net> > wrote: > >> >> I have an Excel spreadsheet that was done in July 2005. I'm not sure, >> but >> I think Cat posted it on her web site. It lists the surnames being >> researched, the person/persons researching them and their e-mail > address(s). >> >> peggy >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: romayor2@aol.com >> >Sent: Apr 6, 2008 8:13 AM >> >To: laorlean@rootsweb.com >> >Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call >> > >> >I thought this was talked about several years ago.? Does anyone >> remember?? >> > >> >Jan in SE TX >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: RHB <bennettrh@earthlink.net> >> >To: laorlean@rootsweb.com >> >Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 12:40 pm >> >Subject: [LAORLEAN] roll call >> > >> > >> > >> >It would be nice if someone "out there" who is handy with formatting >> >spread sheets could make a list of everyone who has submitted these >> >names, arrange us and our names alphabetically and then post it >> >somewhere... do we have an LAORLEAN website somewhere [Ancestry? >> >Myfamily?].... that way it would be easy to read and readily >> available. >> >Or save as a pdf formatted document which could be mailed out upon >> request. >> > >> >Or maybe someone might have a better idea of how to record and store >> all >> >our names.... >> > >> >Renee >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 18:58:47 -0500 > From: "Emily Wise" <ewise49215@charter.net> > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Sound-alike names > To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000301c89842$27c451a0$39e1834b@00000525682cf4> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi Carolyn, > > My great grandmother?s name was Barbara Ziefle from Baiersbronn, > W?rttemberg, Germany. I have found this name spelled many different > ways, > including Ziffle. Her father spelled his name Ziflen. I believe the > German > spelling would be Ziiflen. > > My great grandmother married Christian Hamann in New Orleans and had > many > children. She also had at least one sister in New Orleans. Her name was > Justinia Catherina Ziefle Bundy. > > Most of that family lived in Mechanickham, across the river. There was > also > a half brother named Tobias Eberhardt. > > Would you please let me know something about your Ziffle? > > Thanks, > > Emily------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: > 4/6/2008 > 11:12 AM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of ctregre7@cox.net > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 4:14 PM > To: ZORLEANS MESSAGE BD > Subject: [LAORLEAN] Sound-alike names > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 20:22:06 -0400 > From: "Carolyn Long" <carolynlong@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] McCarty Plantation: Carolyn > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <410-220084170226460@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > A piece of advice that many of you already know, and I don't mean to > preach, but don't believe everything you read on the web or even in a > serious history book. Once something, true or not, appears in print it > is > accepted as truth, and gets repeated over and over. If you can possibly > find them, ALWAYS use primary documents: notarial acts, sacramental > acts of > baptisms, marriages, and funerals, civil records of births, marriages, > and > deaths, court cases, wills, successions, etc. > > A case in point is the web address > http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=755&p=surnames.lopez > cited > below. This thing is riddled with mistakes. I've put the corrections in > brackets: > > Jose [his name was Ramon] Lopez y Angulo first married another Spaniard > whose last name was DE BORJA DE ENDERIS [Borja was her first name]. > Upon > her death, he remarried, in his 50s [he was 35], a free woman of colour > from New Orleans (he was in New Orleans at the time representing the > Spanish Royal Order) named Mademoiselle MACARTY [he married Delphine > Macarty, who was not a woman of color]. She was the daughter of a > military > official herself, Louis Barthelemy Chevalier DE MACARTY, a white > French-Creole born in New Orleans of noble blood and a free mulatresse > named Marie-Jeanne L'ERABLE [Delphine's mother was not a mulatress]. > > The two [Delphine and Ramon] bore one daughter, born in Cuba around > 1800 > [early 1805], named Maria Francisca de Candelaria de BORJA LOPEZ Y > ANGULO, > a free Octoroon (not sure what the Spanish distinguished her colour > as)[this child, like her parents, was white; her name was Maria > Francisca > Borja Lopez y Angulo de Candelaria, and she was called Borja--yes, same > as > her father's first wife]. The family returned to New Orleans shortly > thereafter [Ramon did not return to New Orleans, he died in Cuba], > where > Francisca [Borja] married twice, first to Francois Placide FORSTAL, a > white > French-Creole aristocrat, and secondly to Jean BLANQUE, an emigre of > France.[Borja indeed married Placide Forstall, but it was her mother, > Delphine, who married Jean Blanque after her first husband, Lopez y > Angulo, > died] > > I tried all the links cited below, and I don't find anything about a > slave > revolt conspiracy on the Bellechasse, Castantato, Mccarty, Lanusse and > Bienville plantations that was discovered before the revolt took place. > I > really need to track down the source of this in order to prove or > disprove > the persistant story that Delphine Macarty Lalaurie's mother was killed > by > slaves. > > I'm afraid I'm boring the rest of the list with this, so please contact > me > offline (carolynlong@earthlink.net). > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Nancy <nancybrister621@bellsouth.net> >> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> >> Date: 04/06/2008 4:23:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] McCarty Plantation: Carolyn >> >> Hi Carolyn, >> I believe the links I included in my message for Julie have the > answers to >> your questions, but, about the slave revolt and Madam Lalaurie's >> slaves, > I tried >> to phrase it in a way so that readers would know the list I put forth >> was > a list >> of unrelated events and realize I intended no connection. Sometimes I > tend to >> over-explain...and it's worse than under-explaining. :-) >> The "slave revolt conspiracy" I mentioned, was a conspiracy only, > because >> the plot was discovered before the revolt took place, so I gather that >> it was probably neither of the revolts you named. I read that several >> plantations had slaves who were a part of this particular conspiracy: >> Bellechasse, Castantato, Mccarty, Laneusse and Bienville plantations. >> But, I've just started researching this family for a page on the >> Old New Orleans site, and I don't have as much knowledge about the >> family > as >> someone who's been doing indepth research on it for a family tree, so >> I > didn't >> know about the revolt and its rumored connection to Madame Lalaurie. >> I > mentioned >> Madame Lalaurie on this list of "notables" only because she was a >> member > of the >> Macarty family. >> I'm sorry I didn't do a good job of explaining the two Augustin's, >> but > the >> answer to your questions about both can be found here on the NOPL >> site: >> http://nutrias.org/info/louinfo/admins/macarty.htm >> Here are all of the links I included, so Julie and others could >> read > more of >> what I've found, so far: >> http://nutrias.org/info/louinfo/admins/macarty.htm >> http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=755&p=surnames.lopez >> http://www.metairie.com/history/racetrack.htm >> http://www.nola.com/forums/townhall/index.ssf?artid=234341 >> I hope this helps clear everything up! >> Nancy >> >> Nancy >> http://www.thepastwhispers.com/Old_New_Orleans.html >> >> >> Original message from "Carolyn Long" <carolynlong@earthlink.net>: >> >> > As I mentioned, I'm working on the Macarty family, and I have > questions about >> a >> > couple of statements posted by another member of this list: "one >> of > [the >> > Macarty] plantations was involved in the famous slave revolt > conspiracy of >> the >> > early 1800s" and "Augustin de Macarty’s son, Lewis Barthelemy > Macarty, served >> as >> > Secretary of State under Governor Claiborne in 1812." >> > >> > I'm especially interested in the idea that a slave revolt took >> place > on one >> of >> > the Macarty plantations, because this story keeps cropping up, >> with > the >> > implication that Delphine Macarty Lalaurie's cruelty to her slaves > was done >> in >> > revenge for her mother being killed by her own slaves during this > uprising. >> > Presumably the "famous slave revolt" referred to is the one that > occurred on >> > January 8, 1811, in St. Charles Parish above New Orleans. The >> revolt > was >> > organized by a mulatto from Saint-Domingue named Charles, slave of > the Widow >> > Deslondes, who was employed as a driver on the plantation of >> Manuel > Andry. >> The >> > Macartys, as far as I know, were not affected by this incident. > Delphine's >> > mother, Marie Jeanne Lerable, had died of natural causes on >> February > 26, >> 1807. I >> > think people may have confused the 1811 slave revolt and the 1807 > death of >> > Madame Macarty with the murder of Baptiste Césaire le Breton >> (husband > of >> > Delphine's father's sister Jeanne Françoise Macarty), who killed >> by > his s! >> > laves in 1771 on the uptown Macarty plantation that later became >> the > site of >> > the town of Carrollton. >> > >> > Regarding Augustin de Macarty--does the writer refer to Augustin > François >> > Macarty, who was mayor of New Orleans from 1815-1820, or to his > father, >> Augustin >> > Guillaume Macarty? Augustin François had several "natural" >> children > by free >> > women of color, but no "legitimate" children. Louis Barthelemy > Macarty was >> the >> > son of the Chevalier Louis Barthelemy Macarty, and was Delphine > Macarty >> > Lalaurie's brother. I believe it was Jean Baptiste Macarty who >> served > as a >> > government official under Claiborne. >> > >> > >> > --- Carolyn Long --- carolynlong@earthlink.net >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: > 04/06/2008 11:12 AM > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LAORLEAN list administrator, send an email to > LAORLEAN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the LAORLEAN mailing list, send an email to > LAORLEAN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LAORLEAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 136 > **************************************** Pat Wilson