Barney The Hessians were known for being soldiers for hire. They were in the revolutionary war in the U.S.. Possibly the Hessians were for hire by Austria before he came to the U.S. or by one side or the other in the Civil War. At the time he was living there was no unified "Germany". There were separate states such as Hesse, Baden, Prussia, etc. Try looking online for old Hessian uniforms or the uniforms they were wearing in the revolutionary war to see if some of the symbols are close. Gene

Here is a link to the picture: http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll312/barneyme2/Uniform/JohnSeelySrUniform.jpg Barney ________________________________ From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Gene Hullinghorst Sent: Wed 4/30/2008 6:36 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] Johannes Seely Barney The Hessians were known for being soldiers for hire. They were in the revolutionary war in the U.S.. Possibly the Hessians were for hire by Austria before he came to the U.S. or by one side or the other in the Civil War. At the time he was living there was no unified "Germany". There were separate states such as Hesse, Baden, Prussia, etc. Try looking online for old Hessian uniforms or the uniforms they were wearing in the revolutionary war to see if some of the symbols are close. Gene ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

take a look at this - click on the 1st photo button http://www.bcx-iii.com/uniforms.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barney Seely" <BSeely@pointeightpower.com> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Johannes Seely Here is a link to the picture: http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll312/barneyme2/Uniform/JohnSeelySrUniform.jpg Barney ________________________________ From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Gene Hullinghorst Sent: Wed 4/30/2008 6:36 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] Johannes Seely Barney The Hessians were known for being soldiers for hire. They were in the revolutionary war in the U.S.. Possibly the Hessians were for hire by Austria before he came to the U.S. or by one side or the other in the Civil War. At the time he was living there was no unified "Germany". There were separate states such as Hesse, Baden, Prussia, etc. Try looking online for old Hessian uniforms or the uniforms they were wearing in the revolutionary war to see if some of the symbols are close. Gene ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1407 - Release Date: 4/30/2008 11:35 AM

To all The guesses, looks like and similar to responses are all nice, but I am really trying to specifically identify which group in New Orleans, LA during the time of and/or after the American Civil War would have worn the uniform and what the medals mean in the picture I have provided. The picture was taken somewhere between 1865 and 1873. I have already done a lot of research and have come up empty. The helmet, or pickelhaube as the Germans call it, is identical to one I found to have been manufactured in New York by a German immigrant named John C.F. Deecken, who was in the military manufacturing business at 160 Grand Street, New York City. The eagle crest, or wappen, on the helmet is American, known as the "peace eagle" and is the seal of the United States. Notice the stars and stripes shield on it's chest. The coat, bears a striking resemblance to a German Waffenrock and no doubt that is intentional. What I know is this. My ancestor came to New Orleans from Germany in 1853. His father, himself as well as two of his sons were Barbers by profession. I have some irrefutable, professionally verified "material" evidence that associates him with the Confederacy in very early 1862, but his name does not appear on any muster list that I have viewed, leaving me to believe he was not a volunteer. Further, in 1861 his wife was pregnant with child that was born January 3rd, 1862. In 1861 Louisiana was only conscripting (drafting) citizens. As he was a foreign national (German) he was not a citizen and therefore ineligible to be drafted. In January 1862 Louisiana revised it's Conscription policy to now include all residents. In February 1862, based on the new Conscription law, a Militia group was formed in New Orleans. LA that was known as the "European Brigade." They were formed to protect the city. I suspect he was part of the German contingent. It was written that they were a colorful group. In late April 1862 the Union Fleet was coming up the Mississippi River and by April 30th New Orleans was under Federal control. On May 2nd the "European Brigade" was disbanded. General "Beast" Butler gave the members the option of leaving town, going to prison, or signing allegiance to the Union and going back to life as it previously was. Again, being a foreign national, I suspect my ancestor chose option three; after all it was not his war. (note: In the short period of time that the "European Brigade" was in existence, it probably didn't have time to be properly outfitted with uniforms and weapons.) And finally, there is a record that had been listed in the newspaper "The Daily Picayune" of John Seeley (misspelled) being drafted somewhere between April 11 and May 6, 1865. As the city was under Union control at this time, this means he was drafted into the Union Army, but as Lee had surrendered on April 9th, 1865, the war was all but over. Again, his name does not appear on any muster lists. So, can anyone specifically identify which group in New Orleans, LA during the time of and/or after the American Civil War would have worn the uniform and what the medals mean in the picture I have provided? Here is a link to the picture again: http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll312/barneyme2/Uniform/JohnSeelySrUn iform.jpg Barney -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PB Delery Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:05 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Johannes Seely take a look at this - click on the 1st photo button http://www.bcx-iii.com/uniforms.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barney Seely" <BSeely@pointeightpower.com> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Johannes Seely Here is a link to the picture: http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll312/barneyme2/Uniform/JohnSeelySrUn iform.jpg Barney ________________________________ From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Gene Hullinghorst Sent: Wed 4/30/2008 6:36 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] Johannes Seely Barney The Hessians were known for being soldiers for hire. They were in the revolutionary war in the U.S.. Possibly the Hessians were for hire by Austria before he came to the U.S. or by one side or the other in the Civil War. At the time he was living there was no unified "Germany". There were separate states such as Hesse, Baden, Prussia, etc. Try looking online for old Hessian uniforms or the uniforms they were wearing in the revolutionary war to see if some of the symbols are close. Gene ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. 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Barney, how old would he have been when he first arrived here? Is it possible that he served in the military in Germany and then just had his picture made in his unifom later on when he was older? -- Cat Donnow http://www.ambiancestudio.com ---- Barney Seely <BSeely@pointeightpower.com> wrote: > To all > > The guesses, looks like and similar to responses are all nice, but I am > really trying to specifically identify which group in New Orleans, LA > during the time of and/or after the American Civil War would have worn > the uniform and what the medals mean in the picture I have provided. The > picture was taken somewhere between 1865 and 1873. > I have already done a lot of research and have come up empty. > The helmet, or pickelhaube as the Germans call it, is identical to one I > found to have been manufactured in New York by a German immigrant named > John C.F. Deecken, who was in the military manufacturing business at 160 > Grand Street, New York City. The eagle crest, or wappen, on the helmet > is American, known as the "peace eagle" and is the seal of the United > States. Notice the stars and stripes shield on it's chest. > The coat, bears a striking resemblance to a German Waffenrock and no > doubt that is intentional. > > What I know is this. > My ancestor came to New Orleans from Germany in 1853. His father, > himself as well as two of his sons were Barbers by profession. > I have some irrefutable, professionally verified "material" evidence > that associates him with the Confederacy in very early 1862, but his > name does not appear on any muster list that I have viewed, leaving me > to believe he was not a volunteer. > Further, in 1861 his wife was pregnant with child that was born January > 3rd, 1862. > In 1861 Louisiana was only conscripting (drafting) citizens. As he was a > foreign national (German) he was not a citizen and therefore ineligible > to be drafted. > In January 1862 Louisiana revised it's Conscription policy to now > include all residents. > In February 1862, based on the new Conscription law, a Militia group was > formed in New Orleans. LA that was known as the "European Brigade." They > were formed to protect the city. I suspect he was part of the German > contingent. It was written that they were a colorful group. > In late April 1862 the Union Fleet was coming up the Mississippi River > and by April 30th New Orleans was under Federal control. On May 2nd the > "European Brigade" was disbanded. General "Beast" Butler gave the > members the option of leaving town, going to prison, or signing > allegiance to the Union and going back to life as it previously was. > Again, being a foreign national, I suspect my ancestor chose option > three; after all it was not his war. (note: In the short period of time > that the "European Brigade" was in existence, it probably didn't have > time to be properly outfitted with uniforms and weapons.) > And finally, there is a record that had been listed in the newspaper > "The Daily Picayune" of John Seeley (misspelled) being drafted somewhere > between April 11 and May 6, 1865. As the city was under Union control at > this time, this means he was drafted into the Union Army, but as Lee had > surrendered on April 9th, 1865, the war was all but over. Again, his > name does not appear on any muster lists. > > So, can anyone specifically identify which group in New Orleans, LA > during the time of and/or after the American Civil War would have worn > the uniform and what the medals mean in the picture I have provided? > > Here is a link to the picture again: > > http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll312/barneyme2/Uniform/JohnSeelySrUn > iform.jpg > > Barney > > -----Original Message----- > From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PB Delery > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:05 PM > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Johannes Seely > > take a look at this - click on the 1st photo button > > http://www.bcx-iii.com/uniforms.htm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barney Seely" <BSeely@pointeightpower.com> > To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:49 PM > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Johannes Seely > > > > Here is a link to the picture: > > http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll312/barneyme2/Uniform/JohnSeelySrUn > iform.jpg > > Barney > > ________________________________ > > From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Gene Hullinghorst > Sent: Wed 4/30/2008 6:36 PM > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LAORLEAN] Johannes Seely > > > > Barney > > The Hessians were known for being soldiers for hire. They were in the > revolutionary war in the U.S.. Possibly the Hessians were for hire by > Austria before he came to the U.S. or by one side or the other in the > Civil > War. > > At the time he was living there was no unified "Germany". There were > separate states such as Hesse, Baden, Prussia, etc. Try looking online > for > old Hessian uniforms or the uniforms they were wearing in the > revolutionary > war to see if some of the symbols are close. > > Gene > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1407 - Release Date: > 4/30/2008 > 11:35 AM > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone identify the medals on his jacket? May be that would help. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barney Seely" <BSeely@pointeightpower.com> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Johannes Seely > To all > > The guesses, looks like and similar to responses are all nice, but I am > really trying to specifically identify which group in New Orleans, LA > during the time of and/or after the American Civil War would have worn > the uniform and what the medals mean in the picture I have provided. The > picture was taken somewhere between 1865 and 1873. > I have already done a lot of research and have come up empty. > The helmet, or pickelhaube as the Germans call it, is identical to one I > found to have been manufactured in New York by a German immigrant named > John C.F. Deecken, who was in the military manufacturing business at 160 > Grand Street, New York City. The eagle crest, or wappen, on the helmet > is American, known as the "peace eagle" and is the seal of the United > States. Notice the stars and stripes shield on it's chest. > The coat, bears a striking resemblance to a German Waffenrock and no > doubt that is intentional. > > What I know is this. > My ancestor came to New Orleans from Germany in 1853. His father, > himself as well as two of his sons were Barbers by profession. > I have some irrefutable, professionally verified "material" evidence > that associates him with the Confederacy in very early 1862, but his > name does not appear on any muster list that I have viewed, leaving me > to believe he was not a volunteer. > Further, in 1861 his wife was pregnant with child that was born January > 3rd, 1862. > In 1861 Louisiana was only conscripting (drafting) citizens. As he was a > foreign national (German) he was not a citizen and therefore ineligible > to be drafted. > In January 1862 Louisiana revised it's Conscription policy to now > include all residents. > In February 1862, based on the new Conscription law, a Militia group was > formed in New Orleans. LA that was known as the "European Brigade." They > were formed to protect the city. I suspect he was part of the German > contingent. It was written that they were a colorful group. > In late April 1862 the Union Fleet was coming up the Mississippi River > and by April 30th New Orleans was under Federal control. On May 2nd the > "European Brigade" was disbanded. General "Beast" Butler gave the > members the option of leaving town, going to prison, or signing > allegiance to the Union and going back to life as it previously was. > Again, being a foreign national, I suspect my ancestor chose option > three; after all it was not his war. (note: In the short period of time > that the "European Brigade" was in existence, it probably didn't have > time to be properly outfitted with uniforms and weapons.) > And finally, there is a record that had been listed in the newspaper > "The Daily Picayune" of John Seeley (misspelled) being drafted somewhere > between April 11 and May 6, 1865. As the city was under Union control at > this time, this means he was drafted into the Union Army, but as Lee had > surrendered on April 9th, 1865, the war was all but over. Again, his > name does not appear on any muster lists. > > So, can anyone specifically identify which group in New Orleans, LA > during the time of and/or after the American Civil War would have worn > the uniform and what the medals mean in the picture I have provided? > > Here is a link to the picture again: > > http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll312/barneyme2/Uniform/JohnSeelySrUn > iform.jpg > > Barney > > -----Original Message----- > From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PB Delery > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:05 PM > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Johannes Seely > > take a look at this - click on the 1st photo button > > http://www.bcx-iii.com/uniforms.htm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barney Seely" <BSeely@pointeightpower.com> > To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:49 PM > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Johannes Seely > > > > Here is a link to the picture: > > http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll312/barneyme2/Uniform/JohnSeelySrUn > iform.jpg > > Barney > > ________________________________ > > From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Gene Hullinghorst > Sent: Wed 4/30/2008 6:36 PM > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LAORLEAN] Johannes Seely > > > > Barney > > The Hessians were known for being soldiers for hire. They were in the > revolutionary war in the U.S.. Possibly the Hessians were for hire by > Austria before he came to the U.S. or by one side or the other in the > Civil > War. > > At the time he was living there was no unified "Germany". There were > separate states such as Hesse, Baden, Prussia, etc. Try looking online > for > old Hessian uniforms or the uniforms they were wearing in the > revolutionary > war to see if some of the symbols are close. > > Gene > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1407 - Release Date: > 4/30/2008 > 11:35 AM > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >