Hi Carolyn, I'm sorry my replies to your questions are so slow, but one of my dogs had surgery last week and, before I was finished nursing her back to health, another had to have surgery today! So, I've had my hands full lately (and sleep deprivation is causing me to move even more slowly than I usually do :-). I read about the slave revolt conspiracy at the site below. I neglected to include it in my original reply to Julie. The Louisiana Purchase: A Heritage Explored - An Online Educational Resource from LSU Libraries Special Collections: Historical Perspectives, 1682-1815 http://www.lib.lsu.edu/special/purchase/history.html You're so right about believing everything you read. Besides my own family research, I've spent hundreds of hours researching subjects for the Old New Orleans site and I can't tell you the number of times I've found as many as 3 or 4 (or more) stories purporting to be the "true story" about a neighborhood, a family or a landmark. We must all do the hard work of sifting through and verifying for ourselves. (One of my favorite expressions is, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts!") I hope this link will be helpful to you. It includes some citations you might be interested in pursuing. Nancy Nancy http://www.thepastwhispers.com/Old_New_Orleans.html -------------- Original message from "Carolyn Long" <carolynlong@earthlink.net>: -------------- > A piece of advice that many of you already know, and I don't mean to > preach, but don't believe everything you read on the web or even in a > serious history book. Once something, true or not, appears in print it is > accepted as truth, and gets repeated over and over. If you can possibly > find them, ALWAYS use primary documents: notarial acts, sacramental acts of > baptisms, marriages, and funerals, civil records of births, marriages, and > deaths, court cases, wills, successions, etc. > > A case in point is the web address > http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=755&p=surnames.lopez cited > below. This thing is riddled with mistakes. I've put the corrections in > brackets: > > Jose [his name was Ramon] Lopez y Angulo first married another Spaniard > whose last name was DE BORJA DE ENDERIS [Borja was her first name]. Upon > her death, he remarried, in his 50s [he was 35], a free woman of colour > from New Orleans (he was in New Orleans at the time representing the > Spanish Royal Order) named Mademoiselle MACARTY [he married Delphine > Macarty, who was not a woman of color]. She was the daughter of a military > official herself, Louis Barthelemy Chevalier DE MACARTY, a white > French-Creole born in New Orleans of noble blood and a free mulatresse > named Marie-Jeanne L'ERABLE [Delphine's mother was not a mulatress]. > > The two [Delphine and Ramon] bore one daughter, born in Cuba around 1800 > [early 1805], named Maria Francisca de Candelaria de BORJA LOPEZ Y ANGULO, > a free Octoroon (not sure what the Spanish distinguished her colour > as)[this child, like her parents, was white; her name was Maria Francisca > Borja Lopez y Angulo de Candelaria, and she was called Borja--yes, same as > her father's first wife]. The family returned to New Orleans shortly > thereafter [Ramon did not return to New Orleans, he died in Cuba], where > Francisca [Borja] married twice, first to Francois Placide FORSTAL, a white > French-Creole aristocrat, and secondly to Jean BLANQUE, an emigre of > France.[Borja indeed married Placide Forstall, but it was her mother, > Delphine, who married Jean Blanque after her first husband, Lopez y Angulo, > died] > > I tried all the links cited below, and I don't find anything about a slave > revolt conspiracy on the Bellechasse, Castantato, Mccarty, Lanusse and > Bienville plantations that was discovered before the revolt took place. I > really need to track down the source of this in order to prove or disprove > the persistant story that Delphine Macarty Lalaurie's mother was killed by > slaves. > > I'm afraid I'm boring the rest of the list with this, so please contact me > offline (carolynlong@earthlink.net). > > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Nancy > > To: > > Date: 04/06/2008 4:23:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] McCarty Plantation: Carolyn > > > > Hi Carolyn, > > I believe the links I included in my message for Julie have the > answers to > > your questions, but, about the slave revolt and Madam Lalaurie's slaves, > I tried > > to phrase it in a way so that readers would know the list I put forth was > a list > > of unrelated events and realize I intended no connection. Sometimes I > tend to > > over-explain...and it's worse than under-explaining. :-) > > The "slave revolt conspiracy" I mentioned, was a conspiracy only, > because > > the plot was discovered before the revolt took place, so I gather that > > it was probably neither of the revolts you named. I read that several > > plantations had slaves who were a part of this particular conspiracy: > > Bellechasse, Castantato, Mccarty, Laneusse and Bienville plantations. > > But, I've just started researching this family for a page on the > > Old New Orleans site, and I don't have as much knowledge about the family > as > > someone who's been doing indepth research on it for a family tree, so I > didn't > > know about the revolt and its rumored connection to Madame Lalaurie. I > mentioned > > Madame Lalaurie on this list of "notables" only because she was a member > of the > > Macarty family. > > I'm sorry I didn't do a good job of explaining the two Augustin's, but > the > > answer to your questions about both can be found here on the NOPL site: > > http://nutrias.org/info/louinfo/admins/macarty.htm > > Here are all of the links I included, so Julie and others could read > more of > > what I've found, so far: > > http://nutrias.org/info/louinfo/admins/macarty.htm > > http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=755&p=surnames.lopez > > http://www.metairie.com/history/racetrack.htm > > http://www.nola.com/forums/townhall/index.ssf?artid=234341 > > I hope this helps clear everything up! > > Nancy > > > > Nancy > > http://www.thepastwhispers.com/Old_New_Orleans.html > > > > > > Original message from "Carolyn Long" : > > > > > As I mentioned, I'm working on the Macarty family, and I have > questions about > > a > > > couple of statements posted by another member of this list: "one of > [the > > > Macarty] plantations was involved in the famous slave revolt > conspiracy of > > the > > > early 1800s" and "Augustin de Macarty’s son, Lewis Barthelemy > Macarty, served > > as > > > Secretary of State under Governor Claiborne in 1812." > > > > > > I'm especially interested in the idea that a slave revolt took place > on one > > of > > > the Macarty plantations, because this story keeps cropping up, with > the > > > implication that Delphine Macarty Lalaurie's cruelty to her slaves > was done > > in > > > revenge for her mother being killed by her own slaves during this > uprising. > > > Presumably the "famous slave revolt" referred to is the one that > occurred on > > > January 8, 1811, in St. Charles Parish above New Orleans. The revolt > was > > > organized by a mulatto from Saint-Domingue named Charles, slave of > the Widow > > > Deslondes, who was employed as a driver on the plantation of Manuel > Andry. > > The > > > Macartys, as far as I know, were not affected by this incident. > Delphine's > > > mother, Marie Jeanne Lerable, had died of natural causes on February > 26, > > 1807. I > > > think people may have confused the 1811 slave revolt and the 1807 > death of > > > Madame Macarty with the murder of Baptiste Césaire le Breton (husband > of > > > Delphine's father's sister Jeanne Françoise Macarty), who killed by > his s! > > > laves in 1771 on the uptown Macarty plantation that later became the > site of > > > the town of Carrollton. > > > > > > Regarding Augustin de Macarty--does the writer refer to Augustin > François > > > Macarty, who was mayor of New Orleans from 1815-1820, or to his > father, > > Augustin > > > Guillaume Macarty? Augustin François had several "natural" children > by free > > > women of color, but no "legitimate" children. Louis Barthelemy > Macarty was > > the > > > son of the Chevalier Louis Barthelemy Macarty, and was Delphine > Macarty > > > Lalaurie's brother. I believe it was Jean Baptiste Macarty who served > as a > > > government official under Claiborne. > > > > > > > > > --- Carolyn Long --- carolynlong@earthlink.net