A piece of advice that many of you already know, and I don't mean to preach, but don't believe everything you read on the web or even in a serious history book. Once something, true or not, appears in print it is accepted as truth, and gets repeated over and over. If you can possibly find them, ALWAYS use primary documents: notarial acts, sacramental acts of baptisms, marriages, and funerals, civil records of births, marriages, and deaths, court cases, wills, successions, etc. A case in point is the web address http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=755&p=surnames.lopez cited below. This thing is riddled with mistakes. I've put the corrections in brackets: Jose [his name was Ramon] Lopez y Angulo first married another Spaniard whose last name was DE BORJA DE ENDERIS [Borja was her first name]. Upon her death, he remarried, in his 50s [he was 35], a free woman of colour from New Orleans (he was in New Orleans at the time representing the Spanish Royal Order) named Mademoiselle MACARTY [he married Delphine Macarty, who was not a woman of color]. She was the daughter of a military official herself, Louis Barthelemy Chevalier DE MACARTY, a white French-Creole born in New Orleans of noble blood and a free mulatresse named Marie-Jeanne L'ERABLE [Delphine's mother was not a mulatress]. The two [Delphine and Ramon] bore one daughter, born in Cuba around 1800 [early 1805], named Maria Francisca de Candelaria de BORJA LOPEZ Y ANGULO, a free Octoroon (not sure what the Spanish distinguished her colour as)[this child, like her parents, was white; her name was Maria Francisca Borja Lopez y Angulo de Candelaria, and she was called Borja--yes, same as her father's first wife]. The family returned to New Orleans shortly thereafter [Ramon did not return to New Orleans, he died in Cuba], where Francisca [Borja] married twice, first to Francois Placide FORSTAL, a white French-Creole aristocrat, and secondly to Jean BLANQUE, an emigre of France.[Borja indeed married Placide Forstall, but it was her mother, Delphine, who married Jean Blanque after her first husband, Lopez y Angulo, died] I tried all the links cited below, and I don't find anything about a slave revolt conspiracy on the Bellechasse, Castantato, Mccarty, Lanusse and Bienville plantations that was discovered before the revolt took place. I really need to track down the source of this in order to prove or disprove the persistant story that Delphine Macarty Lalaurie's mother was killed by slaves. I'm afraid I'm boring the rest of the list with this, so please contact me offline (carolynlong@earthlink.net). > [Original Message] > From: Nancy <nancybrister621@bellsouth.net> > To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Date: 04/06/2008 4:23:34 PM > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] McCarty Plantation: Carolyn > > Hi Carolyn, > I believe the links I included in my message for Julie have the answers to > your questions, but, about the slave revolt and Madam Lalaurie's slaves, I tried > to phrase it in a way so that readers would know the list I put forth was a list > of unrelated events and realize I intended no connection. Sometimes I tend to > over-explain...and it's worse than under-explaining. :-) > The "slave revolt conspiracy" I mentioned, was a conspiracy only, because > the plot was discovered before the revolt took place, so I gather that > it was probably neither of the revolts you named. I read that several > plantations had slaves who were a part of this particular conspiracy: > Bellechasse, Castantato, Mccarty, Laneusse and Bienville plantations. > But, I've just started researching this family for a page on the > Old New Orleans site, and I don't have as much knowledge about the family as > someone who's been doing indepth research on it for a family tree, so I didn't > know about the revolt and its rumored connection to Madame Lalaurie. I mentioned > Madame Lalaurie on this list of "notables" only because she was a member of the > Macarty family. > I'm sorry I didn't do a good job of explaining the two Augustin's, but the > answer to your questions about both can be found here on the NOPL site: > http://nutrias.org/info/louinfo/admins/macarty.htm > Here are all of the links I included, so Julie and others could read more of > what I've found, so far: > http://nutrias.org/info/louinfo/admins/macarty.htm > http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=755&p=surnames.lopez > http://www.metairie.com/history/racetrack.htm > http://www.nola.com/forums/townhall/index.ssf?artid=234341 > I hope this helps clear everything up! > Nancy > > Nancy > http://www.thepastwhispers.com/Old_New_Orleans.html > > > Original message from "Carolyn Long" <carolynlong@earthlink.net>: > > > As I mentioned, I'm working on the Macarty family, and I have questions about > a > > couple of statements posted by another member of this list: "one of [the > > Macarty] plantations was involved in the famous slave revolt conspiracy of > the > > early 1800s" and "Augustin de Macarty�s son, Lewis Barthelemy Macarty, served > as > > Secretary of State under Governor Claiborne in 1812." > > > > I'm especially interested in the idea that a slave revolt took place on one > of > > the Macarty plantations, because this story keeps cropping up, with the > > implication that Delphine Macarty Lalaurie's cruelty to her slaves was done > in > > revenge for her mother being killed by her own slaves during this uprising. > > Presumably the "famous slave revolt" referred to is the one that occurred on > > January 8, 1811, in St. Charles Parish above New Orleans. The revolt was > > organized by a mulatto from Saint-Domingue named Charles, slave of the Widow > > Deslondes, who was employed as a driver on the plantation of Manuel Andry. > The > > Macartys, as far as I know, were not affected by this incident. Delphine's > > mother, Marie Jeanne Lerable, had died of natural causes on February 26, > 1807. I > > think people may have confused the 1811 slave revolt and the 1807 death of > > Madame Macarty with the murder of Baptiste C�saire le Breton (husband of > > Delphine's father's sister Jeanne Fran�oise Macarty), who killed by his s! > > laves in 1771 on the uptown Macarty plantation that later became the site of > > the town of Carrollton. > > > > Regarding Augustin de Macarty--does the writer refer to Augustin Fran�ois > > Macarty, who was mayor of New Orleans from 1815-1820, or to his father, > Augustin > > Guillaume Macarty? Augustin Fran�ois had several "natural" children by free > > women of color, but no "legitimate" children. Louis Barthelemy Macarty was > the > > son of the Chevalier Louis Barthelemy Macarty, and was Delphine Macarty > > Lalaurie's brother. I believe it was Jean Baptiste Macarty who served as a > > government official under Claiborne. > > > > > > --- Carolyn Long --- carolynlong@earthlink.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 04/06/2008 11:12 AM