Hello List! My great-grandfather Edward Augustus Born was born in Orleans Parish, New Orleans 7 Aug 1855. He lived his adult married life in Corpus Christi, Texas, but I am wondering if I could find out if his father, my great-great grandfather, Jacob Born, a partner in the Rice-Born Hardware Store, Ltd., was also a Mason as well. And if so, maybe I could eventually find out what town in Germany he emigrated from. Does anyone have any suggestions about how to find this? Thanks so much in advance for any thoughts that you could send my way. Kathy Cochran > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To Kathy Cochran, Was he Lutheran? They have wonderful church records. Back in the old days, when they joined the church their names were lised in the front of the book, and it usually gave their place of birth and father's name. That's where I found some of mine at Zion Lutheran on St. Charles St. Other older Lutheran churches are St. Paul and St. John. Also, try the Masons for records. Lutherans frown on Masonry, and some forbid it, so your great-grandfather may not have been Lutheran. However, there were some Masons in our church in spite of it. After you get the town, you will likely still have to narrow it down. There are many towns or villages in Germany with the same names. Was the immigrant married before he came? Church records may give her place of birth also. Then compare the zip codes with the two places that are closest together. Worked for me. Cynthia ------------------------

Hello Cynthia, Edward's parents were Presbyterian with the Lafayette Presbyterian Church. I have already rented the LDS Microfilm that had the marriage records and was most disappointed to find that when he married, it only listed: "Jacob Born and Mena Rice, 3 August 1854." I was so disappointed. Maybe what you are saying is that I should look for when he joined the church. Thanks for your suggestions. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cynthia Dean Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 6:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] My Great Grandfather was a Mason To Kathy Cochran, Was he Lutheran? They have wonderful church records. Back in the old days, when they joined the church their names were lised in the front of the book, and it usually gave their place of birth and father's name. That's where I found some of mine at Zion Lutheran on St. Charles St. Other older Lutheran churches are St. Paul and St. John. Also, try the Masons for records. Lutherans frown on Masonry, and some forbid it, so your great-grandfather may not have been Lutheran. However, there were some Masons in our church in spite of it. After you get the town, you will likely still have to narrow it down. There are many towns or villages in Germany with the same names. Was the immigrant married before he came? Church records may give her place of birth also. Then compare the zip codes with the two places that are closest together. Worked for me. Cynthia ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kathy, The soc.genealogy.german archives includes this FAQ: Subject: 10. How can I find out what village my ancestor came from? This is sometimes easy, sometimes quite difficult, and sometimes impossible. This is the general order of resources to be used in finding the German origin of German-American families: o Narratives from older relatives. o Previous family research, notes, etc., if available. o Family documents or mementos from the old country. o US census (1920 and earlier) - can learn immigration and/or naturalization year. o IGI, for uncommon names, if the birth or marriage date is known, or if two names in combination are known. o Passenger ship records, both arrival lists and embarkation lists, and indexes like _Germans to America_. o Naturalization records - usually held at the county level in the US. o Obituaries, especially in German-language newspapers. o American church records. o County histories/genealogies. o Local historical/genealogical societies. o Local fraternal and other ethnic or cultural organizations. o Tombstones or cemetery records. o German state emigration records and indexes, including citizenship release papers, passports, estate and debt settlement papers, property sales, departure taxes, expulsion papers, and records for transportation of minors. o US Social Security records, for individuals living after 1935. Note that the Social Security Death Index is only a start. o Probate records. o US Civil War pension or other military records, if appropriate. o Ahnenstammkartei (ASTAKA). o Individuals in Germany with the same name, but only if the name is very unusual or if you know approximately where your ancestor came from. o Neighbors in America, because sometimes unrelated families emigrated together. o Contemporary newspapers, which often printed passenger lists and emigrant correspondence. See also: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/rg/guide/tracing_immigrant_origins.asp Do you have the civil birth records for all of Jacob’s children born in Orleans Parish? Some of mine, especially the earlier ones, give the area of Germany from which the immigrant came. That would be a start. Norm --- On Thu, 12/9/10, Kathy Cochran <[email protected]> wrote: . . . > My great-grandfather Edward Augustus Born was born in > Orleans Parish, New > Orleans 7 Aug 1855.  He lived his adult married life > in Corpus Christi, > Texas, but I am wondering if I could find out if his > father, my great-great > grandfather, Jacob Born, a partner in the Rice-Born > Hardware Store, Ltd., > was also a Mason as well.  And if so, maybe I could > eventually find out what > town in Germany he emigrated from.  Does anyone have > any suggestions about > how to find this? . . .

Norm, This was some great stuff you sent. I have exhausted most of the sources / suggestions you made..............but the last one you mentioned, that of finding CIVIL records of the birth children in NOLA might be fruitful. You mentioned that "especially the earlier ones" might give the area of Germany from which the immigrant came. My Born children were born in NOLA from 1855-1879. Is this per chance the time period that you were talking about as "earlier"? Thanks again ......Kathy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Norm Hellmers Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] My Great Grandfather was a Mason Kathy, The soc.genealogy.german archives includes this FAQ: Subject: 10. How can I find out what village my ancestor came from? This is sometimes easy, sometimes quite difficult, and sometimes impossible. This is the general order of resources to be used in finding the German origin of German-American families: o Narratives from older relatives. o Previous family research, notes, etc., if available. o Family documents or mementos from the old country. o US census (1920 and earlier) - can learn immigration and/or naturalization year. o IGI, for uncommon names, if the birth or marriage date is known, or if two names in combination are known. o Passenger ship records, both arrival lists and embarkation lists, and indexes like _Germans to America_. o Naturalization records - usually held at the county level in the US. o Obituaries, especially in German-language newspapers. o American church records. o County histories/genealogies. o Local historical/genealogical societies. o Local fraternal and other ethnic or cultural organizations. o Tombstones or cemetery records. o German state emigration records and indexes, including citizenship release papers, passports, estate and debt settlement papers, property sales, depa! rture taxes, expulsion papers, and records for transportation of minors. o US Social Security records, for individuals living after 1935. Note that the Social Security Death Index is only a start. o Probate records. o US Civil War pension or other military records, if appropriate. o Ahnenstammkartei (ASTAKA). o Individuals in Germany with the same name, but only if the name is very unusual or if you know approximately where your ancestor came from. o Neighbors in America, because sometimes unrelated families emigrated together. o Contemporary newspapers, which often printed passenger lists and emigrant correspondence. See also:http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/rg/guide/tracing_immigrant_origins.asp Do you have the civil birth records for all of Jacob’s children born in Orleans Parish? Some of mine, especially the earlier ones, give the area of Germany from which the immigrant came. That would be a start. Norm --- On Thu, 12/9/10, Kathy Cochran <[email protected]> wrote:.. . . > My great-grandfather Edward Augustus Born was born in> Orleans Parish, New> Orleans 7 Aug 1855. He lived his adult married life> in Corpus Christi,> Texas, but I am wondering if I could find out if his> father, my great-great> grandfather, Jacob Born, a partner in the Rice-Born> Hardware Store, Ltd.,> was also a Mason as well. And if so, maybe I could> eventually find out what> town in Germany he emigrated from. Does anyone have> any suggestions about> how to find this?.. . . -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kathy, I have been reading your emails/responses with much interest. I have a Born connection through Mary Rice who married George W. Butler in New Orleans 29 Mar 1849 at Lafayette Presbyterian(or Fulton Street Church). Mary was born in Ohio. Jacob Rice(Germany) was surety at the marriage. Jacob Rice's wife's name was Catherine. Catherine "Reis," widow, born in Baden, aged 57, was living in the household of George Butler and Mary Rice in the 1860 census. George W. Butler died in 1867 and by the 1880 Census, Catherine Rice, aged 78, was living in the household of Jacob Born, from Germany. Relation to Head of Household: MotherL. George Butler's estate was inventoried by Herman Rice and Jacob Born by order of the court. Henry Rice was appointed under tutor. >From the records of the Insane Asylum this: Mrs. Mary Rice: refer to her son or brother-in-law or Rice Born Co, Chestnut betw Aline and Delachaise Camp Street. City Archives, New Orleans Public Library. Record of Next of Kin, 1875-1877 1v. FM (1852-1882). Mrs George Butler, nee Mary Rice, died in 1910 in New Orleans. Funeral from residence of daughter Mrs. W. Doell, no. 940 Aline St. and is buried in Lafayette Cemetery #1(Quadrant #2, Tomb 472) from First Presbyterian Church. I haven't been able to piece this tree together, but I hope this helps you. Janet -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Cochran Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 1:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] My Great Grandfather was a Mason Norm, This was some great stuff you sent. I have exhausted most of the sources / suggestions you made..............but the last one you mentioned, that of finding CIVIL records of the birth children in NOLA might be fruitful. You mentioned that "especially the earlier ones" might give the area of Germany from which the immigrant came. My Born children were born in NOLA from 1855-1879. Is this per chance the time period that you were talking about as "earlier"? Thanks again ......Kathy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Norm Hellmers Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] My Great Grandfather was a Mason Kathy, The soc.genealogy.german archives includes this FAQ: Subject: 10. How can I find out what village my ancestor came from? This is sometimes easy, sometimes quite difficult, and sometimes impossible. This is the general order of resources to be used in finding the German origin of German-American families: o Narratives from older relatives. o Previous family research, notes, etc., if available. o Family documents or mementos from the old country. o US census (1920 and earlier) - can learn immigration and/or naturalization year. o IGI, for uncommon names, if the birth or marriage date is known, or if two names in combination are known. o Passenger ship records, both arrival lists and embarkation lists, and indexes like _Germans to America_. o Naturalization records - usually held at the county level in the US. o Obituaries, especially in German-language newspapers. o American church records. o County histories/genealogies. o Local historical/genealogical societies. o Local fraternal and other ethnic or cultural organizations. o Tombstones or cemetery records. o German state emigration records and indexes, including citizenship release papers, passports, estate and debt settlement papers, property sales, departure taxes, expulsion papers, and records for transportation of minors. o US Social Security records, for individuals living after 1935. Note that the Social Security Death Index is only a start. o Probate records. o US Civil War pension or other military records, if appropriate. o Ahnenstammkartei (ASTAKA). o Individuals in Germany with the same name, but only if the name is very unusual or if you know approximately where your ancestor came from. o Neighbors in America, because sometimes unrelated families emigrated together. o Contemporary newspapers, which often printed passenger lists and emigrant correspondence. See also:http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/rg/guide/tracing_immigrant_origins.asp Do you have the civil birth records for all of Jacob’s children born in Orleans Parish? Some of mine, especially the earlier ones, give the area of Germany from which the immigrant came. That would be a start. Norm --- On Thu, 12/9/10, Kathy Cochran <[email protected]> wrote:.. . . > My great-grandfather Edward Augustus Born was born in> Orleans Parish, New> Orleans 7 Aug 1855. He lived his adult married life> in Corpus Christi,> Texas, but I am wondering if I could find out if his> father, my great-great> grandfather, Jacob Born, a partner in the Rice-Born> Hardware Store, Ltd.,> was also a Mason as well. And if so, maybe I could> eventually find out what> town in Germany he emigrated from. Does anyone have> any suggestions about> how to find this?.. . . -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message