Hi Sally, I am curious about your perceived results of your first test. I have had a similar reaction. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sally Viada Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:54 AM To: laorleans Subject: [LAORLEAN] DNA ethnicity test Just sent off my dna ethnicity test from Ancestry today. Hope it gets better results than the first   one.   Sally ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5078 - Release Date: 06/18/12

Just sent off my dna ethnicity test from Ancestry today. Hope it gets better results than the first   one.   Sally

WOW, Norm, how interesting for you and your family. Jan S - Orlando, FL -------Original Message------- From: Norm Hellmers Date: 6/13/2012 6:35:46 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS Cate et al, Thanks, Cate. Here’s the story. St. Paul Lutheran Church, founded in 1840, is the oldest German-Protestant congregation in downtown New Orleans, and the second oldest in the city. (The church that is now known as First Trinity Evangelical United Church of Christ is the oldest, having been formed in 1828.) For information on First Trinity and the other churches of New Orleans, both Protestant and Catholic, that served Germans, see my website: http://freepages.religions.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~neworleans/ My family has been connected with St. Paul Lutheran Church (it’s had many names over the years) since 1846. Six generations of my family have been married there. My maternal grandfather, the Rev. Gottfried J. Wegener served as a pastor from 1887 to his death in 1946. (A brief autobiography written by my grandfather sparked my interest in genealogy and I’ve been at it for over 50 years.) My mother was born in and grew up in the adjacent parsonage. I was baptized and confirmed there. Huge numbers of Protestant German immigrants in downtown New Orleans were associated with this church. I was baptized in 1944 and am baptism number 10,087, and there were many baptisms before the numbering system started in 1856. St. Paul Lutheran Church, located still after 150+ years at the corner of Port and Burgundy Streets, is fortunately on high ground near the river. Because of this, hurricane Katrina did not affect the original records. (The records had been microfilmed years earlier by the LDS church when my father served as church archivist.) In May 2006, the original records of the church were transported by my wife and me to St. Louis, Missouri, for safekeeping. The fragile old records (1844-1947) are now safe from hurricanes, floods, and indiscriminate use. The oldest records, from 1840 to 1844, are at Tulane University. In the past, someone would have to use the microfilms to find a record. A cousin and I had the microfilms digitized and in March 2008 I placed the records of the church online. Tulane graciously allowed me to put transcriptions of the earliest records online as well. My website is now the place to search these records. I believe that the most important records are the oldest marriage records, most of which include the place of origin of many of these German immigrants, right down to the smallest community. This is how I learned the “home towns” in Germany of several of my ancestors, which I otherwise would not have learned. The bulk of the records are in old German script and are difficult to decipher. (It gets better in 1887 when my grandfather started keeping the records.) If I live long enough, I hope to create an index, but in the meantime, you must find someone who can read it for you. With practice, most anyone can do it. (I regret that I do not have the time to search these records at the present time.) The URL is: http://freepages.religions.rootsweb.com/~neworleans/st_paul_records/ I know this is more than Cate asked for, but I thought it might be of interest to the List. Norm ________________________________ From: Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer <voiceofshe@hotmail.com> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS That site was created by our own wonderful Norm Hellmers. Please give the group an update, Norm, on how your site came to be. Cate ;-} -----Original Message----- From: Arnold & Betty Sheets/ECONOMY WATER WELLS Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:04 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS Do an internet search and you will find it easily the page come up with a picture of the church baptism, confirmations, marriages and death records Betty It has helped me so much ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would like to thank Norm for his work with the church records. It was of great help for my family. Also would like to thank him for the help with finding my great great grandmother last name before she married. Judy & Annamirl -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Norm Hellmers Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 5:32 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS Cate et al,   Thanks, Cate. Here’s the story.   St. Paul Lutheran Church, founded in 1840, is the oldest German-Protestant congregation in downtown New Orleans, and the second oldest in the city. (The church that is now known as First Trinity Evangelical United Church of Christ is the oldest, having been formed in 1828.) For information on First Trinity and the other churches of New Orleans, both Protestant and Catholic, that served Germans, see my website: http://freepages.religions.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~neworleans/   My family has been connected with St. Paul Lutheran Church (it’s had many names over the years) since 1846. Six generations of my family have been married there. My maternal grandfather, the Rev. Gottfried J. Wegener served as a pastor from 1887 to his death in 1946. (A brief autobiography written by my grandfather sparked my interest in genealogy and I’ve been at it for over 50 years.) My mother was born in and grew up in the adjacent parsonage. I was baptized and confirmed there. Huge numbers of Protestant German immigrants in downtown New Orleans were associated with this church. I was baptized in 1944 and am baptism number 10,087, and there were many baptisms before the numbering system started in 1856.   St. Paul Lutheran Church, located still after 150+ years at the corner of Port and Burgundy Streets, is fortunately on high ground near the river. Because of this, hurricane Katrina did not affect the original records. (The records had been microfilmed years earlier by the LDS church when my father served as church archivist.) In May 2006, the original records of the church were transported by my wife and me to St. Louis, Missouri, for safekeeping. The fragile old records (1844-1947) are now safe from hurricanes, floods, and indiscriminate use. The oldest records, from 1840 to 1844, are at Tulane University.   In the past, someone would have to use the microfilms to find a record. A cousin and I had the microfilms digitized and in March 2008, I placed the records of the church online. Tulane graciously allowed me to put transcriptions of the earliest records online as well. My website is now the place to search these records.   I believe that the most important records are the oldest marriage records, most of which include the place of origin of many of these German immigrants, right down to the smallest community. This is how I learned the “home towns” in Germany of several of my ancestors, which I otherwise would not have learned.   The bulk of the records are in old German script and are difficult to decipher. (It gets better in 1887 when my grandfather started keeping the records.) If I live long enough, I hope to create an index, but in the meantime, you must find someone who can read it for you. With practice, most anyone can do it. (I regret that I do not have the time to search these records at the present time.)   The URL is: http://freepages.religions.rootsweb.com/~neworleans/st_paul_records/   I know this is more than Cate asked for, but I thought it might be of interest to the List.   Norm ________________________________ From: Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer <voiceofshe@hotmail.com> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS That site was created by our own wonderful Norm Hellmers.  Please give the group an update, Norm, on how your site came to be.  Cate ;-} -----Original Message----- From: Arnold & Betty Sheets/ECONOMY WATER WELLS Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:04 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS Do an internet search and you will find it easily the page come up with a picture of the church baptism, confirmations, marriages and death records Betty It has helped me so much ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone http://freepages.religions.rootsweb.com/~neworleans/st_paul_records/ is the site for the St. Paul Lutheran Church I have been doing genealogy for nearly 13 years. Hit a brick wall. I look up stuff every night. I ran across this site, know that my fathers family were all Lutherans and they lived around that area. They are all there!!!!!!!!!!!!! Still having problems reading the records though. http://immigrants.byu.edu/ http://www.omniglot.com/writing/german.htm 2 others sites that have helped me Betty -----Original Message----- From: Norm Hellmers Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 5:32 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS Cate et al, Thanks, Cate. Here’s the story. St. Paul Lutheran Church, founded in 1840, is the oldest German-Protestant congregation in downtown New Orleans, and the second oldest in the city. (The church that is now known as First Trinity Evangelical United Church of Christ is the oldest, having been formed in 1828.) For information on First Trinity and the other churches of New Orleans, both Protestant and Catholic, that served Germans, see my website: http://freepages.religions.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~neworleans/ My family has been connected with St. Paul Lutheran Church (it’s had many names over the years) since 1846. Six generations of my family have been married there. My maternal grandfather, the Rev. Gottfried J. Wegener served as a pastor from 1887 to his death in 1946. (A brief autobiography written by my grandfather sparked my interest in genealogy and I’ve been at it for over 50 years.) My mother was born in and grew up in the adjacent parsonage. I was baptized and confirmed there. Huge numbers of Protestant German immigrants in downtown New Orleans were associated with this church. I was baptized in 1944 and am baptism number 10,087, and there were many baptisms before the numbering system started in 1856. St. Paul Lutheran Church, located still after 150+ years at the corner of Port and Burgundy Streets, is fortunately on high ground near the river. Because of this, hurricane Katrina did not affect the original records. (The records had been microfilmed years earlier by the LDS church when my father served as church archivist.) In May 2006, the original records of the church were transported by my wife and me to St. Louis, Missouri, for safekeeping. The fragile old records (1844-1947) are now safe from hurricanes, floods, and indiscriminate use. The oldest records, from 1840 to 1844, are at Tulane University. In the past, someone would have to use the microfilms to find a record. A cousin and I had the microfilms digitized and in March 2008, I placed the records of the church online. Tulane graciously allowed me to put transcriptions of the earliest records online as well. My website is now the place to search these records. I believe that the most important records are the oldest marriage records, most of which include the place of origin of many of these German immigrants, right down to the smallest community. This is how I learned the “home towns” in Germany of several of my ancestors, which I otherwise would not have learned. The bulk of the records are in old German script and are difficult to decipher. (It gets better in 1887 when my grandfather started keeping the records.) If I live long enough, I hope to create an index, but in the meantime, you must find someone who can read it for you. With practice, most anyone can do it. (I regret that I do not have the time to search these records at the present time.) The URL is: http://freepages.religions.rootsweb.com/~neworleans/st_paul_records/ I know this is more than Cate asked for, but I thought it might be of interest to the List. Norm ________________________________ From: Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer <voiceofshe@hotmail.com> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS That site was created by our own wonderful Norm Hellmers. Please give the group an update, Norm, on how your site came to be. Cate ;-} -----Original Message----- From: Arnold & Betty Sheets/ECONOMY WATER WELLS Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:04 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS Do an internet search and you will find it easily the page come up with a picture of the church baptism, confirmations, marriages and death records Betty It has helped me so much ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You are a gem for this group and many others as well. Your generosity over the years is stellar and has helped many of us find many, many treads that bind. I still haven't found my "sixth degree of separation" connection to you ... but you have helped me so much to find my German way over the years I think I'll just make up a connection anyway! Now when are you going to give us the scoop on Abraham Lincoln, the Vampire Hunter (movie comes out on Friday, June 22) ... not really genealogy, but family history in a kind of sort of odd way. You can write me personally on that one if you care to. And I hope you don't mind that I tell the newbies to the group, you are a Lincoln scholar ... not the creepy kind, but one of substance. And I think I wrote you a while back about a connection between a Hellmers and a Weinberg in some society. Can you check through your mail to see if you received it, if not I'll try to dig up the original message I sent. And thanks again on behalf of all of us. Cate ;-} -----Original Message----- From: Norm Hellmers Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 5:32 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS Cate et al, Thanks, Cate. Here’s the story. St. Paul Lutheran Church, founded in 1840, is the oldest German-Protestant congregation in downtown New Orleans, and the second oldest in the city. (The church that is now known as First Trinity Evangelical United Church of Christ is the oldest, having been formed in 1828.) For information on First Trinity and the other churches of New Orleans, both Protestant and Catholic, that served Germans, see my website: http://freepages.religions.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~neworleans/ My family has been connected with St. Paul Lutheran Church (it’s had many names over the years) since 1846. Six generations of my family have been married there. My maternal grandfather, the Rev. Gottfried J. Wegener served as a pastor from 1887 to his death in 1946. (A brief autobiography written by my grandfather sparked my interest in genealogy and I’ve been at it for over 50 years.) My mother was born in and grew up in the adjacent parsonage. I was baptized and confirmed there. Huge numbers of Protestant German immigrants in downtown New Orleans were associated with this church. I was baptized in 1944 and am baptism number 10,087, and there were many baptisms before the numbering system started in 1856. St. Paul Lutheran Church, located still after 150+ years at the corner of Port and Burgundy Streets, is fortunately on high ground near the river. Because of this, hurricane Katrina did not affect the original records. (The records had been microfilmed years earlier by the LDS church when my father served as church archivist.) In May 2006, the original records of the church were transported by my wife and me to St. Louis, Missouri, for safekeeping. The fragile old records (1844-1947) are now safe from hurricanes, floods, and indiscriminate use. The oldest records, from 1840 to 1844, are at Tulane University. In the past, someone would have to use the microfilms to find a record. A cousin and I had the microfilms digitized and in March 2008, I placed the records of the church online. Tulane graciously allowed me to put transcriptions of the earliest records online as well. My website is now the place to search these records. I believe that the most important records are the oldest marriage records, most of which include the place of origin of many of these German immigrants, right down to the smallest community. This is how I learned the “home towns” in Germany of several of my ancestors, which I otherwise would not have learned. The bulk of the records are in old German script and are difficult to decipher. (It gets better in 1887 when my grandfather started keeping the records.) If I live long enough, I hope to create an index, but in the meantime, you must find someone who can read it for you. With practice, most anyone can do it. (I regret that I do not have the time to search these records at the present time.) The URL is: http://freepages.religions.rootsweb.com/~neworleans/st_paul_records/ I know this is more than Cate asked for, but I thought it might be of interest to the List. Norm ________________________________ From: Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer <voiceofshe@hotmail.com> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS That site was created by our own wonderful Norm Hellmers. Please give the group an update, Norm, on how your site came to be. Cate ;-} -----Original Message----- From: Arnold & Betty Sheets/ECONOMY WATER WELLS Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:04 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS Do an internet search and you will find it easily the page come up with a picture of the church baptism, confirmations, marriages and death records Betty It has helped me so much ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Norm, what a wonderful story this is! Thank you so much for sharing it! I noticed you said the records from 1840-1844 are at Tulane University. I believe that this may be where the information I am seeking may be "buried." I am seeking a marriage record of Susanna Born (born 1824 in Alzey, Hesse-Darmstadt) to Sjaabe Tiden Lottman[n] (born about 1800 purportedly in Hannover) probably in 1841, which is an estimate based on the fact that their 1st child was born in New Orleans in May of 1842. I have sources who can translate the German Script. But how do I get to the data? Many thanks in advance, Kathy Cochran San Andreas, California -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Norm Hellmers Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:32 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS Cate et al, Thanks, Cate. Here’s the story. St. Paul Lutheran Church, founded in 1840, is the oldestGerman-Protestant congregation in downtown New Orleans, and the second oldestin the city. (The church that is now known as First Trinity Evangelical UnitedChurch of Christ is the oldest, having been formed in 1828.) For information onFirst Trinity and the other churches of New Orleans, both Protestant andCatholic, that served Germans, see my website:http://freepages.religions.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~neworleans/ My family has been connected with St. Paul Lutheran Church(it’s had many names over the years) since 1846. Six generations of my familyhave been married there. My maternal grandfather, the Rev. Gottfried J. Wegenerserved as a pastor from 1887 to his death in 1946. (A brief autobiographywritten by my grandfather sparked my interest in genealogy and I’ve been at itfor over 50 years.) My mother was born in and grew up in the adjacent parsonage.I was baptized and confi! rmed there. Huge numbers of Protestant Germanimmigrants in downtown New Orleans were associated with this church. I wasbaptized in 1944 and am baptism number 10,087, and there were many baptismsbefore the numbering system started in 1856. St. Paul Lutheran Church, located still after150+ years at the corner of Port and Burgundy Streets, is fortunately on high ground nearthe river. Because of this, hurricane Katrina did not affect the originalrecords. (The records had been microfilmed years earlier by the LDS church whenmy father served as church archivist.) In May 2006, the original records of thechurch were transported by my wife and me to St. Louis, Missouri, forsafekeeping. The fragile old records (1844-1947) are now safe from hurricanes, floods,and indiscriminate use. The oldest records, from 1840 to 1844, are at TulaneUniversity. In the past, someone would have to use the microfilms tofind a record. A cousin and I had the microfilms digitized and in March 2008, Iplaced! the records of the church online. Tulane graciously allowed m! e to put transcriptions of the earliest records online as well. My website is now theplace to search these records. I believe that the most important records are the oldestmarriage records, most of which include the place of origin of many of theseGerman immigrants, right down to the smallest community. This is how I learnedthe “home towns” in Germany of several of my ancestors, which I otherwise wouldnot have learned. The bulk of the records are in old German script and aredifficult to decipher. (It gets better in 1887 when my grandfather startedkeeping the records.) If I live long enough, I hope to create an index, but in themeantime, you must find someone who can read it for you. With practice, mostanyone can do it. (I regret that I do not have the time to search these recordsat the present time.) The URL is:http://freepages.religions.rootsweb.com/~neworleans/st_paul_records/ I know this is more than Cate asked for, but I thought itmight be of interest to the List. Norm ________________________________ From: Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer <voiceofshe@hotmail.com>To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:05 PMSubject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS That site was created by our own wonderful Norm Hellmers. Please give the group an update, Norm, on how your site came to be. Cate ;-} -----Original Message----- From: Arnold & Betty Sheets/ECONOMY WATER WELLSSent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:04 PMTo: laorlean@rootsweb.comSubject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS Do an internet search and you will find it easilythe page come up with a picture of the churchbaptism, confirmations, marriages and death recordsBettyIt has helped me so much -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2433/5067 - Release Date: 06/13/12

Thank you so much, Norm! I never knew about this site and I am anxiously looking forward to researching it! And I think I speak for all of us when I say we appreciate the history that you added along with this post. All of it was history that I was unaware of. Thank you and I appreciate your response! Shelia KRAEMER SALOMONE -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Norm Hellmers Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:32 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS Cate et al, Thanks, Cate. Here’s the story. St. Paul Lutheran Church, founded in 1840, is the oldest German-Protestant congregation in downtown New Orleans, and the second oldest in the city. (The church that is now known as First Trinity Evangelical United Church of Christ is the oldest, having been formed in 1828.) For information on First Trinity and the other churches of New Orleans, both Protestant and Catholic, that served Germans, see my website: http://freepages.religions.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~neworleans/ My family has been connected with St. Paul Lutheran Church (it’s had many names over the years) since 1846. Six generations of my family have been married there. My maternal grandfather, the Rev. Gottfried J. Wegener served as a pastor from 1887 to his death in 1946. (A brief autobiography written by my grandfather sparked my interest in genealogy and I’ve been at it for over 50 years.) My mother was born in and grew up in the adjacent parsonage. I was baptized and confirmed there. Huge numbers of Protestant German immigrants in downtown New Orleans were associated with this church. I was baptized in 1944 and am baptism number 10,087, and there were many baptisms before the numbering system started in 1856. St. Paul Lutheran Church, located still after 150+ years at the corner of Port and Burgundy Streets, is fortunately on 150+ high ground near the river. Because of this, hurricane Katrina did not affect the original records. (The records had been microfilmed years earlier by the LDS church when my father served as church archivist.) In May 2006, the original records of the church were transported by my wife and me to St. Louis, Missouri, for safekeeping. The fragile old records (1844-1947) are now safe from hurricanes, floods, and indiscriminate use. The oldest records, from 1840 to 1844, are at Tulane University. In the past, someone would have to use the microfilms to find a record. A cousin and I had the microfilms digitized and in March 2008, I placed the records of the church online. Tulane graciously allowed me to put transcriptions of the earliest records online as well. My website is now the place to search these records. I believe that the most important records are the oldest marriage records, most of which include the place of origin of many of these German immigrants, right down to the smallest community. This is how I learned the “home towns” in Germany of several of my ancestors, which I otherwise would not have learned. The bulk of the records are in old German script and are difficult to decipher. (It gets better in 1887 when my grandfather started keeping the records.) If I live long enough, I hope to create an index, but in the meantime, you must find someone who can read it for you. With practice, most anyone can do it. (I regret that I do not have the time to search these records at the present time.) The URL is: http://freepages.religions.rootsweb.com/~neworleans/st_paul_records/ I know this is more than Cate asked for, but I thought it might be of interest to the List. Norm ________________________________ From: Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer <voiceofshe@hotmail.com> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS That site was created by our own wonderful Norm Hellmers. Please give the group an update, Norm, on how your site came to be. Cate ;-} -----Original Message----- From: Arnold & Betty Sheets/ECONOMY WATER WELLS Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:04 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS Do an internet search and you will find it easily the page come up with a picture of the church baptism, confirmations, marriages and death records Betty It has helped me so much ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cate et al,   Thanks, Cate. Here’s the story.   St. Paul Lutheran Church, founded in 1840, is the oldest German-Protestant congregation in downtown New Orleans, and the second oldest in the city. (The church that is now known as First Trinity Evangelical United Church of Christ is the oldest, having been formed in 1828.) For information on First Trinity and the other churches of New Orleans, both Protestant and Catholic, that served Germans, see my website: http://freepages.religions.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~neworleans/   My family has been connected with St. Paul Lutheran Church (it’s had many names over the years) since 1846. Six generations of my family have been married there. My maternal grandfather, the Rev. Gottfried J. Wegener served as a pastor from 1887 to his death in 1946. (A brief autobiography written by my grandfather sparked my interest in genealogy and I’ve been at it for over 50 years.) My mother was born in and grew up in the adjacent parsonage. I was baptized and confirmed there. Huge numbers of Protestant German immigrants in downtown New Orleans were associated with this church. I was baptized in 1944 and am baptism number 10,087, and there were many baptisms before the numbering system started in 1856.   St. Paul Lutheran Church, located still after 150+ years at the corner of Port and Burgundy Streets, is fortunately on high ground near the river. Because of this, hurricane Katrina did not affect the original records. (The records had been microfilmed years earlier by the LDS church when my father served as church archivist.) In May 2006, the original records of the church were transported by my wife and me to St. Louis, Missouri, for safekeeping. The fragile old records (1844-1947) are now safe from hurricanes, floods, and indiscriminate use. The oldest records, from 1840 to 1844, are at Tulane University.   In the past, someone would have to use the microfilms to find a record. A cousin and I had the microfilms digitized and in March 2008, I placed the records of the church online. Tulane graciously allowed me to put transcriptions of the earliest records online as well. My website is now the place to search these records.   I believe that the most important records are the oldest marriage records, most of which include the place of origin of many of these German immigrants, right down to the smallest community. This is how I learned the “home towns” in Germany of several of my ancestors, which I otherwise would not have learned.   The bulk of the records are in old German script and are difficult to decipher. (It gets better in 1887 when my grandfather started keeping the records.) If I live long enough, I hope to create an index, but in the meantime, you must find someone who can read it for you. With practice, most anyone can do it. (I regret that I do not have the time to search these records at the present time.)   The URL is: http://freepages.religions.rootsweb.com/~neworleans/st_paul_records/   I know this is more than Cate asked for, but I thought it might be of interest to the List.   Norm ________________________________ From: Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer <voiceofshe@hotmail.com> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS That site was created by our own wonderful Norm Hellmers.  Please give the group an update, Norm, on how your site came to be.  Cate ;-} -----Original Message----- From: Arnold & Betty Sheets/ECONOMY WATER WELLS Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:04 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS Do an internet search and you will find it easily the page come up with a picture of the church baptism, confirmations, marriages and death records Betty It has helped me so much

That site was created by our own wonderful Norm Hellmers. Please give the group an update, Norm, on how your site came to be. Cate ;-} -----Original Message----- From: Arnold & Betty Sheets/ECONOMY WATER WELLS Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:04 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS Do an internet search and you will find it easily the page come up with a picture of the church baptism, confirmations, marriages and death records Betty It has helped me so much -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Cochran Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:15 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS Was there supposed to be a link? Nothing came thru! Thanks, Kathy -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Arnold & Betty Sheets/ECONOMY WATER WELLS Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:53 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS Records of St. Paul Lutheran Church, New Orleans, Louisiana ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2433/5064 - Release Date: 06/12/12 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do an internet search and you will find it easily the page come up with a picture of the church baptism, confirmations, marriages and death records Betty It has helped me so much -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Cochran Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:15 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS Was there supposed to be a link? Nothing came thru! Thanks, Kathy -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Arnold & Betty Sheets/ECONOMY WATER WELLS Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:53 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS Records of St. Paul Lutheran Church, New Orleans, Louisiana ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2433/5064 - Release Date: 06/12/12 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From what I read, you can still access your tree, but wont be able to connect anything/records to it.   Just for viewing only.. Might want to check with Ancestry to be sure. ________________________________ From: Phyllis Bel <phyllisbel@yahoo.com> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Ancestry renewal I too have belonged to Ancestry.com for a number of years and, to me, it is well worth it in the long run.  I keep my various family trees on it and have piece of mind that it will always be there when I need it, including documents, pictures, etc.   But I have a questions: What happens if you are no longer a member.  If you can no longer afford membership, or you are incapable of using a computer (sick, coma, insane, whatever), or worse yet, you die suddenly? Does anyone know what happens to your "family trees"?   Are they still available for public viewing?   Does Ancestry.com keep possession of them?  Or do they just completely erase them?   I know you can download your trees (in GEDCOM) and keep them on disc or flash-drive, but I'm interested in know what Ancestry.com does with the trees on-line.   Thanks for any opinions       --- On Mon, 6/11/12, Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> wrote: From: Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Ancestry renewal To: "'Sally Viada'" <sgvjada@yahoo.com>, laorlean@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, June 11, 2012, 4:30 PM Downgrading to the USA version is what I have done, also, for the same reasons.  I have still been able to go across the ocean to Germany thanks to Rootsweb connections.  I can't imagine not having Ancestry.  And it is also a great way to safely store your research  -  what would happen if you lost your hard drive.......or a fire where even all your auxiliary hard-drives burned up?  Ancestry would still have your data!  YEAH! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sally Viada Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 2:00 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Ancestry renewal Thanks for all the opinions on Ancestry renewal.  I've been a member since they started and love it.   I checked it out and the renewal amount is the same.  The e-mail notice for renewal I received lead me to think   it had gone up. My bad,  lol    Think I'll downgrade  though to just the USA, they haven't had any records for  the countries I   need.   Sally  ________________________________ From: Alice Hix <alicehix@gmail.com> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Ancestry renewal   When I take into account the time and money (for gas) that it would take to find the info somewhere else, I find their cost very easy to justify.  And it is so convenient to be able to check at any hour of the day or night. Works out to about 50 cents/day. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Alexa <kaseysworld2@yahoo.com> wrote: > I renewed in April and it was the same price I've paid for years. > > Prices for U.S. and World memberships were the same. > > Of course, this doesn't mean I think the prices aren't expensive.  The > good news is they have remained the same for years. > > > Alexa > Genealogy research since 1974 > > Ancestral hauntings - I ain't afraid-a no ghosts... > > > > --- On Mon, 6/11/12, Sally Viada <sgvjada@yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: Sally Viada <sgvjada@yahoo.com> > Subject: [LAORLEAN] Ancestry renewal > To: "laorleans" <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Date: Monday, June 11, 2012, 12:13 PM > > Is it me, or is Ancestry.com getting pricey even with their renewals? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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Records of St. Paul Lutheran Church, New Orleans, Louisiana

Got a question on database entries.  I use Paf if that makes any difference.  How do you enter a surname when the family changes their surname?  I have a family that used the surname of Grillier for years on census, births, etc. Then they changed the spelling to Grier in 1887 and used that name on all further documents.  Have never found a legal court document for changing the spelling.  Do you maintain the name Grillier in you data base or do you change to the more current spelling.  I am at a loss.   Helen McCarthy

BTW, I also list an AKA with different spellings.... Jan -------Original Message------- From: PatFreeman5@aol.com Date: 6/12/2012 5:43:01 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Surname name changes I have the same problem with Pierce/Peirce and also with Galloway and Gallaway. So I put it in as I find it. Pat In a message dated 6/12/2012 3:52:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jans884@bellsouth.net writes: I have a family that began as Joiner and somewhere along the line began calling themselves Joyner. I changed the name as I found it changed because for instance, in one family of 9 children, 7 of them stayed Joiner the other 2 changed to Joyner. Hope that helps... Jan S - Orlando, FL -------Original Message------- From: rohling1@comcast.net Date: 6/12/2012 2:51:20 PM To: laorlean Subject: [LAORLEAN] Surname name changes Got a question on database entries. I use Paf if that makes any difference. How do you enter a surname when the family changes their surname? I have a family that used the surname of Grillier for years on census, births, etc. Then they changed the spelling to Grier in 1887 and used that name on all further documents. Have never found a legal court document for changing the spelling. Do you maintain the name Grillier in you data base or do you change to the more current spelling. I am at a loss. Helen McCarthy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Was there supposed to be a link? Nothing came thru! Thanks, Kathy -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Arnold & Betty Sheets/ECONOMY WATER WELLS Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:53 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] GREAT SITE FOR LUTHERAN GERMANS IN NEW ORLEANS Records of St. Paul Lutheran Church, New Orleans, Louisiana ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2433/5064 - Release Date: 06/12/12

I too have belonged to Ancestry.com for a number of years and, to me, it is well worth it in the long run.  I keep my various family trees on it and have piece of mind that it will always be there when I need it, including documents, pictures, etc.   But I have a questions: What happens if you are no longer a member.  If you can no longer afford membership, or you are incapable of using a computer (sick, coma, insane, whatever), or worse yet, you die suddenly? Does anyone know what happens to your "family trees"?   Are they still available for public viewing?   Does Ancestry.com keep possession of them?  Or do they just completely erase them?   I know you can download your trees (in GEDCOM) and keep them on disc or flash-drive, but I'm interested in know what Ancestry.com does with the trees on-line.   Thanks for any opinions       --- On Mon, 6/11/12, Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> wrote: From: Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Ancestry renewal To: "'Sally Viada'" <sgvjada@yahoo.com>, laorlean@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, June 11, 2012, 4:30 PM Downgrading to the USA version is what I have done, also, for the same reasons.  I have still been able to go across the ocean to Germany thanks to Rootsweb connections.  I can't imagine not having Ancestry.  And it is also a great way to safely store your research  -  what would happen if you lost your hard drive.......or a fire where even all your auxiliary hard-drives burned up?  Ancestry would still have your data!  YEAH! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sally Viada Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 2:00 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Ancestry renewal Thanks for all the opinions on Ancestry renewal.  I've been a member since they started and love it.   I checked it out and the renewal amount is the same.  The e-mail notice for renewal I received lead me to think   it had gone up. My bad,  lol    Think I'll downgrade  though to just the USA, they haven't had any records for  the countries I   need.   Sally  ________________________________ From: Alice Hix <alicehix@gmail.com> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Ancestry renewal   When I take into account the time and money (for gas) that it would take to find the info somewhere else, I find their cost very easy to justify.  And it is so convenient to be able to check at any hour of the day or night. Works out to about 50 cents/day. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Alexa <kaseysworld2@yahoo.com> wrote: > I renewed in April and it was the same price I've paid for years. > > Prices for U.S. and World memberships were the same. > > Of course, this doesn't mean I think the prices aren't expensive.  The > good news is they have remained the same for years. > > > Alexa > Genealogy research since 1974 > > Ancestral hauntings - I ain't afraid-a no ghosts... > > > > --- On Mon, 6/11/12, Sally Viada <sgvjada@yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: Sally Viada <sgvjada@yahoo.com> > Subject: [LAORLEAN] Ancestry renewal > To: "laorleans" <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Date: Monday, June 11, 2012, 12:13 PM > > Is it me, or is Ancestry.com getting pricey even with their renewals? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2433/5062 - Release Date: 06/11/12 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have the same problem with Pierce/Peirce and also with Galloway and Gallaway. So I put it in as I find it. Pat In a message dated 6/12/2012 3:52:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jans884@bellsouth.net writes: I have a family that began as Joiner and somewhere along the line began calling themselves Joyner. I changed the name as I found it changed because for instance, in one family of 9 children, 7 of them stayed Joiner the other 2 changed to Joyner. Hope that helps... Jan S - Orlando, FL -------Original Message------- From: rohling1@comcast.net Date: 6/12/2012 2:51:20 PM To: laorlean Subject: [LAORLEAN] Surname name changes Got a question on database entries. I use Paf if that makes any difference. How do you enter a surname when the family changes their surname? I have a family that used the surname of Grillier for years on census, births, etc. Then they changed the spelling to Grier in 1887 and used that name on all further documents. Have never found a legal court document for changing the spelling. Do you maintain the name Grillier in you data base or do you change to the more current spelling. I am at a loss. Helen McCarthy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a family that began as Joiner and somewhere along the line began calling themselves Joyner. I changed the name as I found it changed because for instance, in one family of 9 children, 7 of them stayed Joiner the other 2 changed to Joyner. Hope that helps... Jan S - Orlando, FL -------Original Message------- From: rohling1@comcast.net Date: 6/12/2012 2:51:20 PM To: laorlean Subject: [LAORLEAN] Surname name changes Got a question on database entries. I use Paf if that makes any difference. How do you enter a surname when the family changes their surname? I have a family that used the surname of Grillier for years on census, births, etc. Then they changed the spelling to Grier in 1887 and used that name on all further documents. Have never found a legal court document for changing the spelling. Do you maintain the name Grillier in you data base or do you change to the more current spelling. I am at a loss. Helen McCarthy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Since I have no memory, I use both names e.g. Berner/Banner and make note of it elsewhere in the program. For a string of alternate or unclear names I enter Croizat(Croizet/Croiset/Croezist). Works for me but it may not be the best method. Judy Vinson ----- Original Message ----- From: Alexa To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Surname name changes I'm not familiar with PAF anymore. I used it too long ago to remember. However, rule of genealogical thumb is to include all the variations of a person's name, spellings, nicknames, surnames. The program I'm currently using has a special feature for alternate names. (Legacy). My old Family Tree Maker program allowed for addtitional names too but didn't really specify they were "alternate names". If ancestors carried the GRILLIER name until their deaths, I'd leave them like that. For the ones who changed their surname, you might want to use the version with the most amount of records (obits, death certificates, children's birth records, Social Security, military, etc.) as the main name. Keep older ancestors as GRILLIER, and the younger generations as GRIER. Depending on when the name changed to Grier, there may or many not be a legal name change record, because in the olden days (not so long ago, really), it wasn't such a big deal to change the spelling of one's name as it is today. No matter which way you choose, but sure to notate they changed their spelling at some point, even if it wasn't by court order. Alexa Genealogy research since 1974 Ancestral hauntings - I ain't afraid-a no ghosts... --- On Tue, 6/12/12, rohling1@comcast.net <rohling1@comcast.net> wrote: From: rohling1@comcast.net <rohling1@comcast.net> Subject: [LAORLEAN] Surname name changes To: "laorlean" <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, June 12, 2012, 1:50 PM Got a question on database entries. I use Paf if that makes any difference. How do you enter a surname when the family changes their surname? I have a family that used the surname of Grillier for years on census, births, etc. Then they changed the spelling to Grier in 1887 and used that name on all further documents. Have never found a legal court document for changing the spelling. Do you maintain the name Grillier in you data base or do you change to the more current spelling. I am at a loss. Helen McCarthy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message