Nancy, I believe that if you have your own address in your contact list, and if you receive an email from yourself with no subject line or a message you did not send, it's likely your email account has been compromised or "hacked." Norm ________________________________ From: Nancy Wright <wright4766@bellsouth.net> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Mail hacker Question A question about hacking.  Would one know your address has been hacked unless someone notifies you? Nancy

Just as an FYI, if your email account is hacked, changing your password should solve the problem.  The best passwords include a combination of capital and small letters, at least one number, and at least one special character (!  # ?, etc.).

I forgot to ask another question regarding this query/help request. Does anyone know who the MAURICE and SEMOUR/SYMOURE progenitors were? I might try to work backwards. And another thing I thought about doing was to list all MAURICE names that can be found in LA. (Just do genealogy trees with this name.). And then try to group them into families. Has anyone ever done this kind of strategy and been successful with finding their long lost brick wall ancestor? -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Shelia Salomone Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:18 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] My brick wall from the newbie I haven't sent out my brick wall to this list yet. This is the couple that have stumped my family for decades now. We can't seem to find mention of them except from their son's few documents. Their son is my gr-gr grandfather and he would not have anything to do with his family nor would he talk about them. No one knows why. He only states who they are when he is married. And they are stated as his parents when he dies. So far this is the only mention of them and no one has been able to find the couple. Maybe I will get lucky one of these days? Still keeping my fingers crossed. Jean MAURICE & Frances SEMOUR/LEMOUR/SYMOURE Their son Jean MAURICE was also known as John MORRIS. The family started spelling the last name of MAURICE as MORRIS with my gr-gr grandfather. I assume because this is the English pronunciation of MAURICE. Here are the documents where the couple are mentioned: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- Their son's death certificate: Name: John Morris Death Date: 09 Mar 1939 Death Place: Thibodeaux, , Lafourche, Louisiana Gender: Male Race (original): W Race (standardized): White Age: 82 Estimated Birth Year: 1857 Birth Place: Lake Charles, Louisiana Marital Status: Widowed Spouse's Name: Marie N Noquin Father's Name: John Morris Mother's Name: Frances Symoure Film number: 2358376 Image Number: 00089 Certificate Number: 3738 Digital Folder Number: 4216102 Their son's marriage: "taken from Father HEBERT's South Loisiana Records: 1876-1880" MORRIS, John (Jean & Francoise SEMOUR) m. 2 Dec. 1878 Pauline NAQUIN (Thib. Ct. Hse. : Mar. v. 21, # 175) MAURICE, Jean (Jean & Francoise LEMOUR) m. 2 Dec 1878 Pauline NAQUIN ( Thib. Ch. : v. 9, p. 123) Family rumor said that Jean MAURICE was from Paris, France and Frances/Francoise SEMOUR/LEMOUR/SYMOURE was born in London, England. These are unproven though. I have a picture of their son (Jean II). He has blue eyes and dark hair but is graying. Fair skinned. I mention this because there were several MAURICE families of color and I don't think this is his line. So, if anyone has further information on Jean/John MAURICE/MORRIS & Francoise SEMOUR/LEMOUR/SYMOURE would you please send it my way? Thank you, Shelia KRAEMER SALOMONE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just wanted to send this alert! In the last week I have received numerous hacks from people I communicate with from different Louisiana genealogy subjects. One was even my cousin who lives in Louisiana. But, they have all been from people either living in LA or attached to genealogy mail lists pertaining to LA. I think the hackers are really attacking these group of people. Don't click on the links. Most of them appear to be advertisements trying to get you to buy something but they can hack you the same way and they can introduce viruses to your email. These people are despicable low life scum who needs to be caught but they are savvy with their programming knowledge and continue to attack us innocent people and make it look like we sent the email. All of the latest ones I have received can be recognized by two things. No Subject Line and the body contains just a link or a link telling you to check this out. DELETE it immediately and I always contact the person to tell them they have been hacked. Of course none of us blame the innocent one but it has happened to me and it is embarrassing. And I am a software/computer designer /programmer! They just need to let everyone know not to open them so it doesn't keep perpetuating. Sincerely, Shelia KRAEMER SALOMONE

I don't live very far from Gettysburg, my gggrandfather was in the battle there, I know exactly where he fought, he survived but I go there as much as I can and always get an eerie feeling there, like maybe he is around, it's an eerie feeling but a good feeling, I have heard people say if they go through the battlefield at night they can hear whispers????? Doris On 6/21/2012 6:09 PM, Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer wrote: > They could have been Alsatians and still been German ... just depended on > what duke, prince, king, whatever title, won the gang war/border squabble of > the week. And after all the Franks were Germans back in the day of Karl > Magnus (Charlemagne). Yes the infighting was that bad and that's why so > many came in the mid 1800s. And where their sympathies lay before arriving > in the US influenced the their declared country of allegiance. > > My half Cajun grandfather's ancestors were reported in family oral history > by my grandmother (his wife who was 100% German ancestry and whose father > did not want her to "marry that Frenchman from the country") to have come > from from Alsace-Lorraine (maybe a more palatable place to her Pa because > he could have had some German ancestry) and Grandpa Bob spoke Parisian > French not "that French from the country". Not true. Can trace his > mother's Cajun lineage all the way back to the 1500's from France (Provence > area) to Acadie to St. Malo in the Grand Derangement in 1755 to NO and on > Assumption parish then down the bayou in 1785. Not even a stop over in > Paris. > > But my real brick wall is with my bayou great g/father whose name was Joseph > Jones and whose civil/church records located to date (census, marriage, > death) declare him to have been born in KY (in about 1839) with a father > named William Jones and mother Elizabeth Duren (as spelled by the French > priest at St. Joseph's in Thibodaux on his marriage certificate - but I > think it was more likely Dunham or Durham) both born in KY. Have lots of > Wm. Joneses in KY ... some even married to Elizabeths (Elizas, Lizzies, > etc), but haven't found the right time slot for his birth. Europeans kept > much better records than in the US the the old days. I suspect he came down > the Mississippi on a keel, flat or raft boat and could only afford a ticket > as far as Donaldsonville then was "disembarked" and walked the rest of the > way following Bayou Lafourche until someone offered him a job and he met > Adelina! Aaaww... thanks Joe and Adelina. > > On to the other thread about "whispering ancestors" ... this has happened to > me so much over the years, I now say a little prayer before doing some > especially intent research to ask their and a saint's help. Carolyn Long > will love my spiritual practice. I pray to St. Anthony, the lost and found > saint for you non-Catholics, that goes like this: "Tony, Tony look around > something's (or someone's) lost that must be found" (a prayer taught to me > by a coworker from Marksville many, many years ago) Than I offer him a > monetary amount for the poor box (amount usually dependent on how important > the intention is or how quickly I'd like a resolution). He nearly always > comes through and I nearly always pay up. Now I don't mean this in a > sacrilegious way. Just one of my techniques meaningful coincidences rather > and blind pigs looking for acorns. Cate ;-} > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kathy Cochran > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:57 PM > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] If you need help... Late night findings > > I'm curious about what you found AFTER he died, that wasn't available BEFORE > he died. > > Also, some of my brick walls are living people. A 2nd cousin of mine > REFUSES to believe that our Borns came from Germany, and were German > throughout all the wars............because my grandmother and her mother had > always reported that they were from Alsace-Lorraine. I have sent her the > Declaration of Intent to Emmigrate, and birth docs, etc., but she thinks I > am being "disrespectful and dismissive of the family lore." Nonetheless, it > is apparent that since these stories were all passed down in the oral > tradition, someone (probably my grandmother) may have been told "Alzey > [Hesse-Darmstadt]" and then looked up in the Encyclopedia and found Alsace > Lorraine, and erroneously construed that this was the origin of our > ancestors. My cousin's Ancestry tree still shows "no father - no mother" > for our g-g grandfather Jacob Born. Oh well, her loss. SHE is the brick > wall! I seem to have busted through it! > > Cheers, Kathy > > -----Original Message----- > From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Alexa > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:35 AM > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] If you need help... Late night findings > > Pat and everyone, > > If you need help, just give us a holler. Some ancestors are more difficult > to find. Some lines I can Brees (wink) through in one long sitting while > others I've worked on for decades with little luck. > > As bizarre as it sounds, I've had MAJOR breakthroughs when a family member > dies. The night my uncle died, within about 2 hours of his death, I broke > through the brickwall of his line, which is also my mother's. I'd been > searching for the people for over 30 years, and that night I found several > connections to the line and its branches that gave me tons, TONS, of new > information. The next day I made a trip to the courthouse in Donaldsonville > and found much, much more needed information. > > It's happened this way for me for my own relatives several times, as well as > for other people's lines I've worked on. When a member of their families > died, I found goldmines worth of info almost immediately. > > Who says the dead don't want to be found? Some, yes, but most want their > families to know about them - the good, the bad, and the ugly. > > > Alexa - Who Dat fan all the way > Genealogy research since 1974 > > Ancestral hauntings - I ain't afraid-a no ghosts... > > > > --- On Thu, 6/21/12, PatFreeman5@aol.com<PatFreeman5@aol.com> wrote: > > From: PatFreeman5@aol.com<PatFreeman5@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Fold 3 - Military Records > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, June 21, 2012, 10:16 AM > > I am glad that your ancestors whisper to you, I just wish that some of > mine would whisper or even YELL. I hate it when I can't find that fact > that I need to put with an ancestor. > > > Pat > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5082 - Release Date: 06/20/12 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

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Oops! I thought I had sent this out on Tuesday, but I must have used the wrong email account, because it did not post. I have had a subscription to Fold3/Footnote for a couple of years - ever since Norm recommended the collection of New Orleans city directories. They have lots of material that pertains to my New Orleans people. (However, some locales, such as Connecticut where I work as a genealogy librarian, have much less coverage in the directories.) The military records (their primary focus since changing the name to Fold3) are fabulous. I have found 2 of my Confederate soldiers being released from prison camps, a certification of disability for my great-great-grandfather who served the Union from Missouri, and my great-great-great-grandfather enlisting with the Union (in New Orleans) - presumably because the Yankee-occupied city was under threat of Confederate assault? Interestingly, just a few months earlier, one of his sons enlisted in the CSA Army. (He was one of the prisoners whose release papers I found.) What they have are digitized images of actual documents, from the National Archives. A true treasure trove! I know that Ancestry costs an arm & leg already, but Fold3 is definitely worth the extra charge. Another relatively cheap premium service that has good New Orleans stuff is Genealogy Bank. They have a great collection of New Orleans newspapers. I have found some great stories - notably a murder/manslaughter trial involving some of my rumrunner peeps in the 1920s. Kathleen,in Connecticut, by way of New Orleans

Cheramie; I have had varying results on military records. One thing I always hear from those in the know is "request ALL the material that they have." I did that for one person that was actually never in the "regular" military and found that he and his widow had submitted for an Indian War pension not once but three times. Finally the government sent out an investigator and interviewed relatives neighbors and people who might have known him in the militia. I received a file an inch thick! It was full of family info - including the fact that his wife tried to poison him! In the end the pension was denied the third time - but the archives still had the file, and now so do I. :-) -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cheramie Breaux Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:33 AM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Fold 3 - Military Records Okay, I have a question for all you folks that are finding great military records. I wrote to the National Archives for my g-g-grandfather's records. He was career military, Capt R M Davis and then sent? to New Orleans (by 1815) as Major Davis. I got 2 narrow pieces of paper, with almost nothing on them. I have never found a death record or burial place, although his wife and children all died and were buried in New Orleans. It could be that he died in action somewhere and was buried there. Is that all I can expect of a military record from so far back? There wasn't even a mention of him gaining the rank of Major. At 08:15 AM 6/21/2012, you wrote: >I also do a lot of research at night and also "feel" (seriously) that >the ancestors can relate to me best during those hours when my world is >quiet. My most astounding breakthroughs have always been late >night/wee morning hours. My "Bingo!" and "Yippee!" shouts have >startled quiet a few out of a sound sleep, including the furry family members. > >Military records can be found at familysearch.org as mentioned, as well >as ancestry.com and Fold3, but don't forget Heritage Quest. I found >entire Revolutionary War pension files there. > >One late night I found my great-grandfather's military records at >familysearch.org plus the birth record of his daughter by his first >marriage, two things I'd been searching for years. I simply searched >his name, no dates, no locations, and up popped some wonderful >information. > >My point is: check every available resource. Even the free sites hold >great treasures. Go back and check often, new things are being added >all the time, plus, at ancestry.com. people can add corrections or >alternate names, making findings easier - sometimes. Can't tell you >have many records I've added to on that site. > > >Alexa >Genealogy research since 1974 > >Ancestral hauntings - I ain't afraid-a no ghosts... > > > >--- On Wed, 6/20/12, Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer <voiceofshe@hotmail.com> wrote: > >From: Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer <voiceofshe@hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Fold 3 >To: laorlean@rootsweb.com >Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2012, 5:55 PM > >Especially worth it if you do a lot of your research like I ... at 1 >o'clock in the morning in my nightgown when I can't sleep and there are >no good deals on the shopping channels and the ancestor spirits seem to be inspiring >me the most. Cate ;-} > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message "Just say no" prevents teenage pregnancy the way 'Have a nice day' cures chronic depression. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I like to search late at night also, but I usually fall asleep at the computer, one night my head was almost laying on the keyboard, sounds spooky for ancestors relating during those hours, but i believe it, I will try again tonight and also try and stay awake. Maybe one of them will be around, hopefully saying, "Doris, Doris here I am. Isn't genealogy great!! Doris On 6/21/2012 10:15 AM, Alexa wrote: > I also do a lot of research at night and also "feel" (seriously) that the ancestors can relate to me best during those hours when my world is quiet. My most astounding breakthroughs have always been late night/wee morning hours. My "Bingo!" and "Yippee!" shouts have startled quiet a few out of a sound sleep, including the furry family members. > > Military records can be found at familysearch.org as mentioned, as well as ancestry.com and Fold3, but don't forget Heritage Quest. I found entire Revolutionary War pension files there. > > One late night I found my great-grandfather's military records at familysearch.org plus the birth record of his daughter by his first marriage, two things I'd been searching for years. I simply searched his name, no dates, no locations, and up popped some wonderful information. > > My point is: check every available resource. Even the free sites hold great treasures. Go back and check often, new things are being added all the time, plus, at ancestry.com. people can add corrections or alternate names, making findings easier - sometimes. Can't tell you have many records I've added to on that site. > > > Alexa > Genealogy research since 1974 > > Ancestral hauntings - I ain't afraid-a no ghosts... > > > > --- On Wed, 6/20/12, Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer<voiceofshe@hotmail.com> wrote: > > From: Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer<voiceofshe@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Fold 3 > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2012, 5:55 PM > > Especially worth it if you do a lot of your research like I ... at 1 o'clock > in the morning in my nightgown when I can't sleep and there are no good > deals on the shopping channels and the ancestor spirits seem to be inspiring > me the most. Cate ;-} > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

They could have been Alsatians and still been German ... just depended on what duke, prince, king, whatever title, won the gang war/border squabble of the week. And after all the Franks were Germans back in the day of Karl Magnus (Charlemagne). Yes the infighting was that bad and that's why so many came in the mid 1800s. And where their sympathies lay before arriving in the US influenced the their declared country of allegiance. My half Cajun grandfather's ancestors were reported in family oral history by my grandmother (his wife who was 100% German ancestry and whose father did not want her to "marry that Frenchman from the country") to have come from from Alsace-Lorraine (maybe a more palatable place to her Pa because he could have had some German ancestry) and Grandpa Bob spoke Parisian French not "that French from the country". Not true. Can trace his mother's Cajun lineage all the way back to the 1500's from France (Provence area) to Acadie to St. Malo in the Grand Derangement in 1755 to NO and on Assumption parish then down the bayou in 1785. Not even a stop over in Paris. But my real brick wall is with my bayou great g/father whose name was Joseph Jones and whose civil/church records located to date (census, marriage, death) declare him to have been born in KY (in about 1839) with a father named William Jones and mother Elizabeth Duren (as spelled by the French priest at St. Joseph's in Thibodaux on his marriage certificate - but I think it was more likely Dunham or Durham) both born in KY. Have lots of Wm. Joneses in KY ... some even married to Elizabeths (Elizas, Lizzies, etc), but haven't found the right time slot for his birth. Europeans kept much better records than in the US the the old days. I suspect he came down the Mississippi on a keel, flat or raft boat and could only afford a ticket as far as Donaldsonville then was "disembarked" and walked the rest of the way following Bayou Lafourche until someone offered him a job and he met Adelina! Aaaww... thanks Joe and Adelina. On to the other thread about "whispering ancestors" ... this has happened to me so much over the years, I now say a little prayer before doing some especially intent research to ask their and a saint's help. Carolyn Long will love my spiritual practice. I pray to St. Anthony, the lost and found saint for you non-Catholics, that goes like this: "Tony, Tony look around something's (or someone's) lost that must be found" (a prayer taught to me by a coworker from Marksville many, many years ago) Than I offer him a monetary amount for the poor box (amount usually dependent on how important the intention is or how quickly I'd like a resolution). He nearly always comes through and I nearly always pay up. Now I don't mean this in a sacrilegious way. Just one of my techniques meaningful coincidences rather and blind pigs looking for acorns. Cate ;-} -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Cochran Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:57 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] If you need help... Late night findings I'm curious about what you found AFTER he died, that wasn't available BEFORE he died. Also, some of my brick walls are living people. A 2nd cousin of mine REFUSES to believe that our Borns came from Germany, and were German throughout all the wars............because my grandmother and her mother had always reported that they were from Alsace-Lorraine. I have sent her the Declaration of Intent to Emmigrate, and birth docs, etc., but she thinks I am being "disrespectful and dismissive of the family lore." Nonetheless, it is apparent that since these stories were all passed down in the oral tradition, someone (probably my grandmother) may have been told "Alzey [Hesse-Darmstadt]" and then looked up in the Encyclopedia and found Alsace Lorraine, and erroneously construed that this was the origin of our ancestors. My cousin's Ancestry tree still shows "no father - no mother" for our g-g grandfather Jacob Born. Oh well, her loss. SHE is the brick wall! I seem to have busted through it! Cheers, Kathy -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alexa Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:35 AM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] If you need help... Late night findings Pat and everyone, If you need help, just give us a holler. Some ancestors are more difficult to find. Some lines I can Brees (wink) through in one long sitting while others I've worked on for decades with little luck. As bizarre as it sounds, I've had MAJOR breakthroughs when a family member dies. The night my uncle died, within about 2 hours of his death, I broke through the brickwall of his line, which is also my mother's. I'd been searching for the people for over 30 years, and that night I found several connections to the line and its branches that gave me tons, TONS, of new information. The next day I made a trip to the courthouse in Donaldsonville and found much, much more needed information. It's happened this way for me for my own relatives several times, as well as for other people's lines I've worked on. When a member of their families died, I found goldmines worth of info almost immediately. Who says the dead don't want to be found? Some, yes, but most want their families to know about them - the good, the bad, and the ugly. Alexa - Who Dat fan all the way Genealogy research since 1974 Ancestral hauntings - I ain't afraid-a no ghosts... --- On Thu, 6/21/12, PatFreeman5@aol.com <PatFreeman5@aol.com> wrote: From: PatFreeman5@aol.com <PatFreeman5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Fold 3 - Military Records To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, June 21, 2012, 10:16 AM I am glad that your ancestors whisper to you, I just wish that some of mine would whisper or even YELL. I hate it when I can't find that fact that I need to put with an ancestor. Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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Great story, Cate. I'm not Catholic, but I may need to have a talk with St. Tony.  I have so many lost ancestors I'm beginning to think they were the founders of the witness protection program! ________________________________ From: Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer <voiceofshe@hotmail.com> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] If you need help... Late night findings They could have been Alsatians and still been German ... just depended on what duke, prince, king, whatever title, won the gang war/border squabble of the week. And after all the Franks were Germans back in the day of Karl Magnus (Charlemagne).  Yes the infighting was that bad and that's why so many came in the mid 1800s.  And where their sympathies lay before arriving in the US influenced the their declared country of allegiance. My half Cajun grandfather's ancestors were reported in family oral history by my grandmother (his wife who was 100% German ancestry and whose father did not want her to "marry that Frenchman from the country") to have come from  from Alsace-Lorraine (maybe a more palatable place to her Pa because he could have had some German ancestry)  and Grandpa Bob spoke Parisian French not "that French from the country".  Not true.  Can trace his mother's Cajun lineage all the way back to the 1500's from France (Provence area) to Acadie to St. Malo in the Grand Derangement in 1755 to NO and on Assumption parish then down the bayou in 1785.  Not even a stop over in Paris. But my real brick wall is with my bayou great g/father whose name was Joseph Jones and whose civil/church records located to date (census, marriage, death) declare him to have been born in KY (in about 1839) with a father named William Jones and mother Elizabeth Duren (as spelled by the French priest at St. Joseph's in Thibodaux on his marriage certificate - but I think it was more likely Dunham or Durham) both born in KY.  Have lots of Wm. Joneses in KY ... some even married to Elizabeths (Elizas, Lizzies, etc), but haven't found the right time slot for his birth.  Europeans kept much better records than in the US the the old days.  I suspect he came down the Mississippi on a keel, flat or raft boat and could only afford a ticket as far as Donaldsonville then was "disembarked" and walked the rest of the way following Bayou Lafourche until someone offered him a job and he met Adelina! Aaaww... thanks Joe and Adelina. On to the other thread about "whispering ancestors" ... this has happened to me so much over the years, I now say a little prayer before doing some especially intent research to ask their and a saint's help.  Carolyn Long will love my spiritual practice.  I pray to St. Anthony, the lost and found saint for you non-Catholics, that goes like this:  "Tony, Tony look around something's (or someone's) lost that must be found" (a prayer taught to me by a coworker from Marksville many, many years ago)  Than I offer him a monetary amount for the poor box (amount usually dependent on how important the intention is or how quickly I'd like a resolution).  He nearly always comes through and I nearly always pay up.  Now I don't mean this in a sacrilegious way.  Just one of my techniques meaningful coincidences rather and blind pigs looking for acorns.    Cate ;-} -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Cochran Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:57 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] If you need help... Late night findings I'm curious about what you found AFTER he died, that wasn't available BEFORE he died. Also, some of my brick walls are living people.  A 2nd cousin of mine REFUSES to believe that our Borns came from Germany, and were German throughout all the wars............because my grandmother and her mother had always reported that they were from Alsace-Lorraine.  I have sent her the Declaration of Intent to Emmigrate, and birth docs, etc., but she thinks I am being "disrespectful and dismissive of the family lore."  Nonetheless, it is apparent that since these stories were all passed down in the oral tradition, someone (probably my grandmother) may have been told "Alzey [Hesse-Darmstadt]" and then looked up in the Encyclopedia and found Alsace Lorraine, and erroneously construed that this was the origin of our ancestors.  My cousin's Ancestry tree still shows "no father - no mother" for our g-g grandfather Jacob Born.  Oh well, her loss.  SHE is the brick wall!  I seem to have busted through it! Cheers,  Kathy -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alexa Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:35 AM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] If you need help... Late night findings Pat and everyone, If you need help, just give us a holler.  Some ancestors are more difficult to find.  Some lines I can Brees (wink) through in one long sitting while others I've worked on for decades with little luck. As bizarre as it sounds, I've had MAJOR breakthroughs when a family member dies.  The night my uncle died, within about 2 hours of his death, I broke through the brickwall of his line, which is also my mother's.  I'd been searching for the people for over 30 years, and that night I found several connections to the line and its branches that gave me tons, TONS, of new information.  The next day I made a trip to the courthouse in Donaldsonville and found much, much more needed information. It's happened this way for me for my own relatives several times, as well as for other people's lines I've worked on.  When a member of their families died, I found goldmines worth of info almost immediately. Who says the dead don't want to be found?  Some, yes, but most want their families to know about them - the good, the bad, and the ugly. Alexa - Who Dat fan all the way Genealogy research since 1974 Ancestral hauntings - I ain't afraid-a no ghosts... --- On Thu, 6/21/12, PatFreeman5@aol.com <PatFreeman5@aol.com> wrote: From: PatFreeman5@aol.com <PatFreeman5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Fold 3 - Military Records To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, June 21, 2012, 10:16 AM I am glad that your ancestors whisper to you,  I just wish that some  of mine would whisper or even YELL.  I hate it when I can't find that fact that I need to put with an ancestor. 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Great story! Thanks for sharing! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:09 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] If you need help... Late night findings They could have been Alsatians and still been German ... just depended on what duke, prince, king, whatever title, won the gang war/border squabble of the week. And after all the Franks were Germans back in the day of Karl Magnus (Charlemagne). Yes the infighting was that bad and that's why so many came in the mid 1800s. And where their sympathies lay before arriving in the US influenced the their declared country of allegiance. My half Cajun grandfather's ancestors were reported in family oral history by my grandmother (his wife who was 100% German ancestry and whose father did not want her to "marry that Frenchman from the country") to have come from from Alsace-Lorraine (maybe a more palatable place to her Pa because he could have had some German ancestry) and Grandpa Bob spoke Parisian French not "that French from the country". Not true. Can trace his mother's Cajun lineage all the way back to the 1500's from France (Provence area) to Acadie to St. Malo in the Grand Derangement in 1755 to NO and on Assumption parish then down the bayou in 1785. Not even a stop over in Paris. But my real brick wall is with my bayou great g/father whose name was Joseph Jones and whose civil/church records located to date (census, marriage, death) declare him to have been born in KY (in about 1839) with a father named William Jones and mother Elizabeth Duren (as spelled by the French priest at St. Joseph's in Thibodaux on his marriage certificate - but I think it was more likely Dunham or Durham) both born in KY. Have lots of Wm. Joneses in KY ... some even married to Elizabeths (Elizas, Lizzies, etc), but haven't found the right time slot for his birth. Europeans kept much better records than in the US the the old days. I suspect he came down the Mississippi on a keel, flat or raft boat and could only afford a ticket as far as Donaldsonville then was "disembarked" and walked the rest of the way following Bayou Lafourche until someone offered him a job and he met Adelina! Aaaww... thanks Joe and Adelina. On to the other thread about "whispering ancestors" ... this has happened to me so much over the years, I now say a little prayer before doing some especially intent research to ask their and a saint's help. Carolyn Long will love my spiritual practice. I pray to St. Anthony, the lost and found saint for you non-Catholics, that goes like this: "Tony, Tony look around something's (or someone's) lost that must be found" (a prayer taught to me by a coworker from Marksville many, many years ago) Than I offer him a monetary amount for the poor box (amount usually dependent on how important the intention is or how quickly I'd like a resolution). He nearly always comes through and I nearly always pay up. Now I don't mean this in a sacrilegious way. Just one of my techniques meaningful coincidences rather and blind pigs looking for acorns. Cate ;-} -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Cochran Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:57 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] If you need help... Late night findings I'm curious about what you found AFTER he died, that wasn't available BEFORE he died. Also, some of my brick walls are living people. A 2nd cousin of mine REFUSES to believe that our Borns came from Germany, and were German throughout all the wars............because my grandmother and her mother had always reported that they were from Alsace-Lorraine. I have sent her the Declaration of Intent to Emmigrate, and birth docs, etc., but she thinks I am being "disrespectful and dismissive of the family lore." Nonetheless, it is apparent that since these stories were all passed down in the oral tradition, someone (probably my grandmother) may have been told "Alzey [Hesse-Darmstadt]" and then looked up in the Encyclopedia and found Alsace Lorraine, and erroneously construed that this was the origin of our ancestors. My cousin's Ancestry tree still shows "no father - no mother" for our g-g grandfather Jacob Born. Oh well, her loss. SHE is the brick wall! I seem to have busted through it! Cheers, Kathy -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alexa Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:35 AM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] If you need help... Late night findings Pat and everyone, If you need help, just give us a holler. Some ancestors are more difficult to find. Some lines I can Brees (wink) through in one long sitting while others I've worked on for decades with little luck. As bizarre as it sounds, I've had MAJOR breakthroughs when a family member dies. The night my uncle died, within about 2 hours of his death, I broke through the brickwall of his line, which is also my mother's. I'd been searching for the people for over 30 years, and that night I found several connections to the line and its branches that gave me tons, TONS, of new information. The next day I made a trip to the courthouse in Donaldsonville and found much, much more needed information. It's happened this way for me for my own relatives several times, as well as for other people's lines I've worked on. When a member of their families died, I found goldmines worth of info almost immediately. Who says the dead don't want to be found? Some, yes, but most want their families to know about them - the good, the bad, and the ugly. Alexa - Who Dat fan all the way Genealogy research since 1974 Ancestral hauntings - I ain't afraid-a no ghosts... --- On Thu, 6/21/12, PatFreeman5@aol.com <PatFreeman5@aol.com> wrote: From: PatFreeman5@aol.com <PatFreeman5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Fold 3 - Military Records To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, June 21, 2012, 10:16 AM I am glad that your ancestors whisper to you, I just wish that some of mine would whisper or even YELL. I hate it when I can't find that fact that I need to put with an ancestor. Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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I have often felt the presence of my dear Granny behind me as I make these discoveries. I know she is as amazed as I! We always said that when she would be gone, that we will still have a connection, and now I know that she was right! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gjreiner Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:26 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Fold 3 - Military Records I like to search late at night also, but I usually fall asleep at the computer, one night my head was almost laying on the keyboard, sounds spooky for ancestors relating during those hours, but i believe it, I will try again tonight and also try and stay awake. Maybe one of them will be around, hopefully saying, "Doris, Doris here I am. Isn't genealogy great!! Doris On 6/21/2012 10:15 AM, Alexa wrote: > I also do a lot of research at night and also "feel" (seriously) that the ancestors can relate to me best during those hours when my world is quiet. My most astounding breakthroughs have always been late night/wee morning hours. My "Bingo!" and "Yippee!" shouts have startled quiet a few out of a sound sleep, including the furry family members. > > Military records can be found at familysearch.org as mentioned, as well as ancestry.com and Fold3, but don't forget Heritage Quest. I found entire Revolutionary War pension files there. > > One late night I found my great-grandfather's military records at familysearch.org plus the birth record of his daughter by his first marriage, two things I'd been searching for years. I simply searched his name, no dates, no locations, and up popped some wonderful information. > > My point is: check every available resource. Even the free sites hold great treasures. Go back and check often, new things are being added all the time, plus, at ancestry.com. people can add corrections or alternate names, making findings easier - sometimes. Can't tell you have many records I've added to on that site. > > > Alexa > Genealogy research since 1974 > > Ancestral hauntings - I ain't afraid-a no ghosts... > > > > --- On Wed, 6/20/12, Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer<voiceofshe@hotmail.com> wrote: > > From: Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer<voiceofshe@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Fold 3 > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2012, 5:55 PM > > Especially worth it if you do a lot of your research like I ... at 1 > o'clock in the morning in my nightgown when I can't sleep and there > are no good deals on the shopping channels and the ancestor spirits seem to be inspiring > me the most. Cate ;-} > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5083 - Release Date: 06/21/12

Thanks Alexa. when I finish cleaning out the garage I will post my problem Wolfrums that were in New Orleans from Oct 1854 until ? Pat In a message dated 6/21/2012 10:35:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, kaseysworld2@yahoo.com writes: Pat and everyone, If you need help, just give us a holler. Some ancestors are more difficult to find. Some lines I can Brees (wink) through in one long sitting while others I've worked on for decades with little luck. As bizarre as it sounds, I've had MAJOR breakthroughs when a family member dies. The night my uncle died, within about 2 hours of his death, I broke through the brickwall of his line, which is also my mother's. I'd been searching for the people for over 30 years, and that night I found several connections to the line and its branches that gave me tons, TONS, of new information. The next day I made a trip to the courthouse in Donaldsonville and found much, much more needed information. It's happened this way for me for my own relatives several times, as well as for other people's lines I've worked on. When a member of their families died, I found goldmines worth of info almost immediately. Who says the dead don't want to be found? Some, yes, but most want their families to know about them - the good, the bad, and the ugly. Alexa - Who Dat fan all the way Genealogy research since 1974 Ancestral hauntings - I ain't afraid-a no ghosts... --- On Thu, 6/21/12, PatFreeman5@aol.com <PatFreeman5@aol.com> wrote: From: PatFreeman5@aol.com <PatFreeman5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Fold 3 - Military Records To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, June 21, 2012, 10:16 AM I am glad that your ancestors whisper to you, I just wish that some of mine would whisper or even YELL. I hate it when I can't find that fact that I need to put with an ancestor. Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm curious about what you found AFTER he died, that wasn't available BEFORE he died. Also, some of my brick walls are living people. A 2nd cousin of mine REFUSES to believe that our Borns came from Germany, and were German throughout all the wars............because my grandmother and her mother had always reported that they were from Alsace-Lorraine. I have sent her the Declaration of Intent to Emmigrate, and birth docs, etc., but she thinks I am being "disrespectful and dismissive of the family lore." Nonetheless, it is apparent that since these stories were all passed down in the oral tradition, someone (probably my grandmother) may have been told "Alzey [Hesse-Darmstadt]" and then looked up in the Encyclopedia and found Alsace Lorraine, and erroneously construed that this was the origin of our ancestors. My cousin's Ancestry tree still shows "no father - no mother" for our g-g grandfather Jacob Born. Oh well, her loss. SHE is the brick wall! I seem to have busted through it! Cheers, Kathy -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alexa Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:35 AM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] If you need help... Late night findings Pat and everyone, If you need help, just give us a holler.  Some ancestors are more difficult to find.  Some lines I can Brees (wink) through in one long sitting while others I've worked on for decades with little luck. As bizarre as it sounds, I've had MAJOR breakthroughs when a family member dies.  The night my uncle died, within about 2 hours of his death, I broke through the brickwall of his line, which is also my mother's.  I'd been searching for the people for over 30 years, and that night I found several connections to the line and its branches that gave me tons, TONS, of new information.  The next day I made a trip to the courthouse in Donaldsonville and found much, much more needed information. It's happened this way for me for my own relatives several times, as well as for other people's lines I've worked on.  When a member of their families died, I found goldmines worth of info almost immediately. Who says the dead don't want to be found?  Some, yes, but most want their families to know about them - the good, the bad, and the ugly. Alexa - Who Dat fan all the way Genealogy research since 1974 Ancestral hauntings - I ain't afraid-a no ghosts... --- On Thu, 6/21/12, PatFreeman5@aol.com <PatFreeman5@aol.com> wrote: From: PatFreeman5@aol.com <PatFreeman5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Fold 3 - Military Records To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, June 21, 2012, 10:16 AM I am glad that your ancestors whisper to you,  I just wish that some  of mine would whisper or even YELL.  I hate it when I can't find that fact  that I need to put with an ancestor. Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5082 - Release Date: 06/20/12

I am glad that your ancestors whisper to you, I just wish that some of mine would whisper or even YELL. I hate it when I can't find that fact that I need to put with an ancestor. Pat In a message dated 6/21/2012 9:29:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jans884@bellsouth.net writes: Thanks Alexa, I agree, most of my 'finds' have been in the late or early hours of the night. I like to think that is when my ascestors whisper to me LOL I did sign up for Fold3 through Ancestry, got a good deal so why not. Jan S - Orlando, FL -------Original Message------- From: Alexa Date: 6/21/2012 10:16:08 AM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Fold 3 - Military Records I also do a lot of research at night and also "feel" (seriously) that the ancestors can relate to me best during those hours when my world is quiet. My most astounding breakthroughs have always been late night/wee morning hours. My "Bingo!" and "Yippee!" shouts have startled quiet a few out of a sound sleep, including the furry family members. Military records can be found at familysearch.org as mentioned, as well as ancestry.com and Fold3, but don't forget Heritage Quest. I found entire Revolutionary War pension files there. One late night I found my great-grandfather's military records at familysearch.org plus the birth record of his daughter by his first marriage two things I'd been searching for years. I simply searched his name, no dates, no locations, and up popped some wonderful information. My point is: check every available resource. Even the free sites hold great treasures. Go back and check often, new things are being added all the time, plus, at ancestry.com. people can add corrections or alternate names, making findings easier - sometimes. Can't tell you have many records I've added to on that site. Alexa Genealogy research since 1974 Ancestral hauntings - I ain't afraid-a no ghosts... --- On Wed, 6/20/12, Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer <voiceofshe@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer <voiceofshe@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Fold 3 To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2012, 5:55 PM Especially worth it if you do a lot of your research like I ... at 1 o'clock in the morning in my nightgown when I can't sleep and there are no good deals on the shopping channels and the ancestor spirits seem to be inspiring me the most. Cate ;-} ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That was "ancestors", not what I mis-typed... -------Original Message------- From: jans884@bellsouth.net Date: 6/21/2012 10:29:11 AM To: LAOrleans Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Fold 3 - Military Records Thanks Alexa, I agree, most of my 'finds' have been in the late or early hours of the night. I like to think that is when my ascestors whisper to me LOL I did sign up for Fold3 through Ancestry, got a good deal so why not. Jan S - Orlando, FL -------Original Message------- From: Alexa Date: 6/21/2012 10:16:08 AM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Fold 3 - Military Records I also do a lot of research at night and also "feel" (seriously) that the ancestors can relate to me best during those hours when my world is quiet. My most astounding breakthroughs have always been late night/wee morning hours. My "Bingo!" and "Yippee!" shouts have startled quiet a few out of a sound sleep, including the furry family members. Military records can be found at familysearch.org as mentioned, as well as ancestry.com and Fold3, but don't forget Heritage Quest. I found entire Revolutionary War pension files there. One late night I found my great-grandfather's military records at familysearch.org plus the birth record of his daughter by his first marriage two things I'd been searching for years. I simply searched his name, no dates, no locations, and up popped some wonderful information. My point is: check every available resource. Even the free sites hold great treasures. Go back and check often, new things are being added all the time, plus, at ancestry.com. people can add corrections or alternate names, making findings easier - sometimes. Can't tell you have many records I've added to on that site. Alexa Genealogy research since 1974 Ancestral hauntings - I ain't afraid-a no ghosts... --- On Wed, 6/20/12, Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer <voiceofshe@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer <voiceofshe@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Fold 3 To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2012, 5:55 PM Especially worth it if you do a lot of your research like I ... at 1 o'clock in the morning in my nightgown when I can't sleep and there are no good deals on the shopping channels and the ancestor spirits seem to be inspiring me the most. Cate ;-} ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Alexa, I agree, most of my 'finds' have been in the late or early hours of the night. I like to think that is when my ascestors whisper to me LOL I did sign up for Fold3 through Ancestry, got a good deal so why not. Jan S - Orlando, FL -------Original Message------- From: Alexa Date: 6/21/2012 10:16:08 AM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Fold 3 - Military Records I also do a lot of research at night and also "feel" (seriously) that the ancestors can relate to me best during those hours when my world is quiet. My most astounding breakthroughs have always been late night/wee morning hours. My "Bingo!" and "Yippee!" shouts have startled quiet a few out of a sound sleep, including the furry family members. Military records can be found at familysearch.org as mentioned, as well as ancestry.com and Fold3, but don't forget Heritage Quest. I found entire Revolutionary War pension files there. One late night I found my great-grandfather's military records at familysearch.org plus the birth record of his daughter by his first marriage two things I'd been searching for years. I simply searched his name, no dates, no locations, and up popped some wonderful information. My point is: check every available resource. Even the free sites hold great treasures. Go back and check often, new things are being added all the time, plus, at ancestry.com. people can add corrections or alternate names, making findings easier - sometimes. Can't tell you have many records I've added to on that site. Alexa Genealogy research since 1974 Ancestral hauntings - I ain't afraid-a no ghosts... --- On Wed, 6/20/12, Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer <voiceofshe@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer <voiceofshe@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Fold 3 To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2012, 5:55 PM Especially worth it if you do a lot of your research like I ... at 1 o'clock in the morning in my nightgown when I can't sleep and there are no good deals on the shopping channels and the ancestor spirits seem to be inspiring me the most. Cate ;-} ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I didn't mention before that Vincent was a brother of one of my direct ancestors, too.  My guy was his brother Joachim PORCHE, who married Magdelaine ANDRE. There may be other connections but this is the one I recall offhand. Alexa --- On Wed, 6/20/12, carol stauder <seestauder@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi everyone, Just to chime in on this discussion.  A brother of one of my ancestors had a long term relationship with a free woman of color.  He was Vincent Alexis Porche II (1761-1830).  She was Adelaide Carmouche (c.1779-1859).  They lived in Pointe Coupee.  Before he died he had a document drawn up and notarized where he acknowledged every one of the 12 children Adelaide bore him and they were able to inherit what he left to them.  To my knowledge Adelaide never had another relationship after Vincent Alexis died..  I have been in touch with Greg Osborn and he has a copy of that document. Carol Stauder