Pit of Pestilence, indeed! That would be funny if it weren't so pathetic and true. I wonder if it was the climate, or peoples lack of hygiene? Or medicine had little means of dealing with contagion? Anyway, it is very sad to me where I find a mother and infant that died within days of each other. I can't imagine giving birth every year, year after year, and then expiring because my body was just plain drained and worn out and my immune system so low that anything might carry me off. What a difference a century makes! > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 01:54:51 +0000 > From: k-wieland@comcast.net > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] DNA ethnicity test > > When I first started researching my family, I was shocked when I found so many "three-fers." I had known since I was a kid that my Great-Grandma Schwartz had outlived 3 husbands. But I was scandalized when I discovered that SHE had been the third wife of my Great-Grandfather and the second wife of my grandmother's first stepfather (who had been married to Great-Grandma's younger sister!). > > But after a few years of research, I realized that there were good reasons this happened so often. I didn't find much in the way of divorce or abandonment - just a lot of people who died prematurely from (usually) epidemics or wars or childbirth - with the occasional railroad or streetcar midadventure thrown in. Life in the old days was not for sissies. And New Orleans, in particular, seems to have been a Pit of Pestilence into the early 20th century. > > Kathleen, in Connecticut, > by way of New Orleans > > > >> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had a very interesting conversation once about dispensations with several seasoned genealogists. I really did find each of their opinions interesting but all of them agreed that the dispensations were almost always granted if the money paid to the church was enough. They all believed that the dispensation "fee" was definitely required for the dispensations and this was how many of them were granted. What is your opinion on this? I did not mention this to reflect any disrespect towards the church. Shelia Kraemer Salomone -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Dean Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 8:36 AM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] Consanguinity In one of my collateral branches, I have two first cousins marrying. I was surprised to find that this is possible in the Catholic Church. Here's what I found on the Net (http://catholicexchange.com/can-cousins-marry-in-the-church/). "But as for two first cousins... the Church's position is that they are forbidden to marry only by ecclesiastical law, not by divine law. For this reason it is canonically possible to receive a dispensation that permits two first-cousins to marry validly in the Catholic Church. (This assumes, of course, that it is legal under civil law in the area where the marriage is to take place---and in the U.S., some states permit it, while others don't.)" Does someone know where I can find the Catholic Church records where permission was given for this marriage? Jan in New Orleans ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just found this with a search for the info listed below, and should have know it was on the LAGenWeb Site. Hope this helps. ************************************************* Submitted to the LAGenWeb Archives ************************************************ Copyright. All rights reserved. http://www.usgwarchives.net/copyright.htm http:/www.usgwarchives.net/la/lafiles.htm ************************************************ Joe Wiegman, -- member of the Algiers (Louisiana) Historical Society and manager of the Vallettes of New Orleans site. ============================================================================= What is a "dispensation"? A dispensation is a release from, or exception to, a specific church law. In the case of marriage, it is an exception to the canon law that says any two persons related by blood, through the 6th degree (one's First Cousin, for example, is, per canon law, a 2nd-degree blood relative), can not marry. Another example pertains to a Catholic wanting to marry a Protestant; or marriage between certain affinal relatives (in-laws); not to mention other examples. In the records below, all of the dispensations appear to have been granted. Genealogically, dispensation records are very informative. They not only give the names of the two parties (and sometimes their blood relationship), but often include a short family tree of each party. The records below are from the Notre Dame archives and are for the most part redacted (i.e., not in their entirety); but the full record may nevertheless be available from the original microfilm; and where a family tree may exist. Thus if a tree is not given in any of the entries below, write/call the address below and give the full citation as show. (NOTE 1: I have done my own redaction, without otherwise altering pertinent genealogy info, of each record in order to reduce file length. I have also included alternate surname spellings where I felt confident of such spelling.) (NOTE 2: Other Louisiana dispensation may exist in the records of the Archdioceses of Quebec, Spain, and Cuba.) The data is arranged by date; thus requiring that you use your "find" function found under the "Edit" tab of your browser in order to search for a particular surname. [ ] are my interjections. University of Notre Dame Archives Attn: Calendar Archives 607 Hesburgh Library Notre Dame, IN 46556 email: Archives.1@nd.edu phone: (219) 631-6448 fax: (219) 631-7980 ******************************************************************************* -----Original Message----- From: Jan B Strickland Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:24 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Consanguinity Jan, I can not locate the link right now, but I found lots of church permissions in the Notre Dame records. Why there, I have no idea. Google - MARRIAGE DISPENSATIONS FOR THE CATHOLIC DIOCESE OF NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA I found lots doing that. Some appeared to be first cousins. Jan in Orlando, FL -----Original Message----- From: Jan Dean Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:35 AM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] Consanguinity In one of my collateral branches, I have two first cousins marrying. I was surprised to find that this is possible in the Catholic Church. Here's what I found on the Net (http://catholicexchange.com/can-cousins-marry-in-the-church/). "But as for two first cousins... the Church's position is that they are forbidden to marry only by ecclesiastical law, not by divine law. For this reason it is canonically possible to receive a dispensation that permits two first-cousins to marry validly in the Catholic Church. (This assumes, of course, that it is legal under civil law in the area where the marriage is to take place---and in the U.S., some states permit it, while others don't.)" Does someone know where I can find the Catholic Church records where permission was given for this marriage? Jan in New Orleans ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jan, I can not locate the link right now, but I found lots of church permissions in the Notre Dame records. Why there, I have no idea. Google - MARRIAGE DISPENSATIONS FOR THE CATHOLIC DIOCESE OF NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA I found lots doing that. Some appeared to be first cousins. Jan in Orlando, FL -----Original Message----- From: Jan Dean Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:35 AM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] Consanguinity In one of my collateral branches, I have two first cousins marrying. I was surprised to find that this is possible in the Catholic Church. Here's what I found on the Net (http://catholicexchange.com/can-cousins-marry-in-the-church/). "But as for two first cousins... the Church's position is that they are forbidden to marry only by ecclesiastical law, not by divine law. For this reason it is canonically possible to receive a dispensation that permits two first-cousins to marry validly in the Catholic Church. (This assumes, of course, that it is legal under civil law in the area where the marriage is to take place---and in the U.S., some states permit it, while others don't.)" Does someone know where I can find the Catholic Church records where permission was given for this marriage? Jan in New Orleans ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In one of my collateral branches, I have two first cousins marrying. I was surprised to find that this is possible in the Catholic Church. Here's what I found on the Net (http://catholicexchange.com/can-cousins-marry-in-the-church/). "But as for two first cousins... the Church's position is that they are forbidden to marry only by ecclesiastical law, not by divine law. For this reason it is canonically possible to receive a dispensation that permits two first-cousins to marry validly in the Catholic Church. (This assumes, of course, that it is legal under civil law in the area where the marriage is to take place---and in the U.S., some states permit it, while others don't.)" Does someone know where I can find the Catholic Church records where permission was given for this marriage? Jan in New Orleans

Ancestry had a special on running DNA samples about a year ago. $10 Kathy San Andreas, California -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of calyx corolla Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 4:45 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] DNA ethnicity test I might do the DNA thing someday just to see how it measures up to my own surmise and how it cross-checks with the family oral history. Last time I checked I thought it a bit pricey. I'm still smiling at your image of being bi-pedal and able to eat with cutlery! It's so long since I took a Bio or Anthro course that I can't remember the minimum number of individuals it takes to make a viable breeding population. What I find fascinating about NOLA is there are so many people who had 3 or more partners and produced 3 or more sets of half-siblings and from there it gets REALLY convoluted. As my marraine's husband said once: "Don't ask ME what those old people were doing!" > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:42:45 -0500 > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > From: chamoo@q.com > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] DNA ethnicity test > > > Try Avoyelles Parish. I once showed a section of that genealogy to a > friend who was a serious show-dog breeder. She said "we wouldn't > breed dogs that close!" :>) I often marvel that some of the > descendents, like ME, can stand erect or eat with a fork. :>) I have > one line that 9 generations back from my cousin, the same couple > repeats over and over. And if that isn't enough, the husband of that > couple's sister, is several times in the 8th generation. Whew. This > is no joke and I can prove it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5147 - Release Date: 07/22/12

When I first started researching my family, I was shocked when I found so many "three-fers." I had known since I was a kid that my Great-Grandma Schwartz had outlived 3 husbands. But I was scandalized when I discovered that SHE had been the third wife of my Great-Grandfather and the second wife of my grandmother's first stepfather (who had been married to Great-Grandma's younger sister!). But after a few years of research, I realized that there were good reasons this happened so often. I didn't find much in the way of divorce or abandonment - just a lot of people who died prematurely from (usually) epidemics or wars or childbirth - with the occasional railroad or streetcar midadventure thrown in. Life in the old days was not for sissies. And New Orleans, in particular, seems to have been a Pit of Pestilence into the early 20th century. Kathleen, in Connecticut, by way of New Orleans ----- Original Message ----- From: calyx corolla <calyxcorolla@hotmail.com> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 23:44:50 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] DNA ethnicity test What I find fascinating about NOLA is there are so many people who had 3 or more partners and produced 3 or more sets of half-siblings and from there it gets REALLY convoluted. As my marraine's husband said once: "Don't ask ME what those old people were doing!"

Here are the results of my dna ethnicity test from ancestry. Not much of a surprise, maybe?   Central European   43%   Seems to match my findings. My mother's side is mostly from France from present back until  mid 1700s, then stray to Spanish and 1 German family.   Scandinavian  25%     My dad's g-grandfather on his mother's side was born ca 1799 in London. This was the John Skinner family. John's son George, my gg-grandfather, died in New Orleans in 1896. I thought dna would show British Isles, so this must mean John's ancestry was from either Denmark, Sweden or Norway. Probably a Viking marauder ,who settled in England after he plundered it.    Southern European  23%   This is Spain, Portugal and Italy.  My dad's other g-grandfather on his mother's side was from  Minorca, Balearic Isles off the coast of Spain. Another from Valencia Spain.  Other Spanish is on my mother's maternal side in the 1700s. Ronquillo, Ponce de Leon and Solis, etc. from Cuba, Florida back to Spain.  I thought the percentage would have been higher here than in Central.   West Africa  7%   Not sure what this means other than the Canary Islands. The Solis on my mom's side married in Cuba mid 1780s, Antonia Perez, the daughter of a couple from the Canaries. No other explanation I can think of.   Uncertain   2%     My maiden name is Embry. I am thinking this may be French also from way back. Having a hard time tracing this name with documents.   Any thoughts? 

I might do the DNA thing someday just to see how it measures up to my own surmise and how it cross-checks with the family oral history. Last time I checked I thought it a bit pricey. I'm still smiling at your image of being bi-pedal and able to eat with cutlery! It's so long since I took a Bio or Anthro course that I can't remember the minimum number of individuals it takes to make a viable breeding population. What I find fascinating about NOLA is there are so many people who had 3 or more partners and produced 3 or more sets of half-siblings and from there it gets REALLY convoluted. As my marraine's husband said once: "Don't ask ME what those old people were doing!" > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:42:45 -0500 > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > From: chamoo@q.com > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] DNA ethnicity test > > > Try Avoyelles Parish. I once showed a section of that genealogy to a > friend who was a serious show-dog breeder. She said "we wouldn't > breed dogs that close!" :>) I often marvel that some of the > descendents, like ME, can stand erect or eat with a fork. :>) I have > one line that 9 generations back from my cousin, the same couple > repeats over and over. And if that isn't enough, the husband of that > couple's sister, is several times in the 8th generation. Whew. This > is no joke and I can prove it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: calyxcorolla@hotmail.com To: carolynlong@earthlink.net; laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [LAORLEAN] Catholic church on interracial relationshops and consanguinity Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:54:07 -0700 One thing about the good old Roman Catholic church, they always wanted a warm body regardless of color!! Also, the priests didn't want people "living in sin" and since they knew they had been and would continue to do so they figured they might as well bless it and catch the kids to keep on upping Church numbers of "saved souls". I wonder about dispensation for consanguinity as well. I've never found this issue addressed re LA. However, the other custom you describe where widowers and widows married their in-laws is quite common. Among the Hebrews it was called the Levirate and it passed into (Judeo)Christian practice. > From: carolynlong@earthlink.net > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:50:47 -0400 > Subject: [LAORLEAN] Catholic church on interracial relationshops and consanguinity > > During the French, Spanish, and most of the American periods in Louisiana, European/Caucasion and African/Negro persons could not marry each other--although I've heard of a few such marriages during the colonial period. I can't put my hands on any examples just now. Civil marriage licenses weren't required until later, but the priest/minister knew better then to try it. One exception I found was that in 1845 Eugene Macarty (white) and Eulalie Mandeville (fwc) were married at St. Augustin's Church when they were both in their 70s (they'd been together for over 50 years and had seven children together) and Eugene was on his deathbed (thanks to Sonja MacCarthy for finding this). The priest slipped the record into the "white" book years later. From 1870 to 1894 interracial marriages were actually legal, but, as we all know, from the late nineteenth century through most of the twentieth century, Jim Crow racism prevailed. > > I've found that in the 1700s and the early 1800s, the Catholic Church was sympathetic to interracial couples, baptized their children, allowed the white fathers to sign the baptismal record and/or claim paternity, and the parents, who were theoretically "living in sin," were not barred from receiving communion. > > I don't know much about dispensations for consanguinity, because it didn't come up in the New Orleans Catholic families I've been researching. I did find several cases here in the District of Columbia where I live, where a man's wife died and left him with young children and he married his late wife's sister or cousin. When I expressed shock at this, a more seasoned local researcher said it was common. These people were most often Anglican (Episcoplaian) not Catholic. > > Carolyn Long > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One thing about the good old Roman Catholic church, they always wanted a warm body regardless of color!! Also, the priests didn't want people "living in sin" and since they knew they had been and would continue to do so they figured they might as well bless it and catch the kids to keep on upping Church numbers of "saved souls". I wonder about dispensation for consanguinity as well. I've never found this issue addressed re LA. However, the other custom you describe where widowers and widows married their in-laws is quite common. Among the Hebrews it was called the Levirate and it passed into (Judeo)Christian practice. > From: carolynlong@earthlink.net > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:50:47 -0400 > Subject: [LAORLEAN] Catholic church on interracial relationshops and consanguinity > > During the French, Spanish, and most of the American periods in Louisiana, European/Caucasion and African/Negro persons could not marry each other--although I've heard of a few such marriages during the colonial period. I can't put my hands on any examples just now. Civil marriage licenses weren't required until later, but the priest/minister knew better then to try it. One exception I found was that in 1845 Eugene Macarty (white) and Eulalie Mandeville (fwc) were married at St. Augustin's Church when they were both in their 70s (they'd been together for over 50 years and had seven children together) and Eugene was on his deathbed (thanks to Sonja MacCarthy for finding this). The priest slipped the record into the "white" book years later. From 1870 to 1894 interracial marriages were actually legal, but, as we all know, from the late nineteenth century through most of the twentieth century, Jim Crow racism prevailed. > > I've found that in the 1700s and the early 1800s, the Catholic Church was sympathetic to interracial couples, baptized their children, allowed the white fathers to sign the baptismal record and/or claim paternity, and the parents, who were theoretically "living in sin," were not barred from receiving communion. > > I don't know much about dispensations for consanguinity, because it didn't come up in the New Orleans Catholic families I've been researching. I did find several cases here in the District of Columbia where I live, where a man's wife died and left him with young children and he married his late wife's sister or cousin. When I expressed shock at this, a more seasoned local researcher said it was common. These people were most often Anglican (Episcoplaian) not Catholic. > > Carolyn Long > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Try Avoyelles Parish. I once showed a section of that genealogy to a friend who was a serious show-dog breeder. She said "we wouldn't breed dogs that close!" :>) I often marvel that some of the descendents, like ME, can stand erect or eat with a fork. :>) I have one line that 9 generations back from my cousin, the same couple repeats over and over. And if that isn't enough, the husband of that couple's sister, is several times in the 8th generation. Whew. This is no joke and I can prove it. At 01:22 PM 7/22/2012, you wrote: >Catching up late on reading messages and chiming in late as well. I >went to Ireland a very long time ago, to attend the wedding of a >friend. The guy she married didn't look Irish (whatever that is) to >me.Anyway, I said something like that to another person at the >wedding and his response was "Dontcha know about the Voikings?" At >that time I hardly knew anything about "the Voikings". Well, he gave >me his version and much later the History Channel did a 2 hour show >about their raids -- anywhere they could sail--even dismantling >ships and putting them back together when they found a river. When >they decided to colonize Iceland they raided Ireland first for women >to take along. So I guess if people in Iceland check their DNA a >large portion would be Celtic... Although, it is such a small place >that I think the most interesting DNA study would be the level of >inbreeding. There are so many genealogy sites, and people >everywhere seem fascinated by it, but I rarely find that anyone! > touches on inbreeding. Louisiana had a few spots notorious for > close cousin marriage but not too many people speak of it. In my > research, when I would find a marriage or birth record where the > the man and woman had the same surname I thought it was a > transciption error. Eventually I realized that what I was seeing > was first cousin marriages when I checked the parents of the couple. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] > > On Behalf Of Kathy Cochran > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 4:23 PM > > To: 'Sally Viada' > > Cc: 'laorleans' > > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] DNA ethnicity test > > > > Hi Sally, > > > > > > > > I had my Uncle's DNA tested, because we were looking to break a brick wall > > on my Cochran great-grandfather, who undoubtedly came from a Scottish line, > > but no info further back than 1818 is available. AND, I have > traced about 4 > > lines of our family back into Germany. The results came back that Paco is > > about 75% Scandanavian! I expected the results to say something > like about > > 75% German! The real answer to this is that the Vikings invaded Scotland > > and created Cochrans, and the Vikings invaded Germany and created Borns and > > Rices (Reiss's)( my families that immigrated to New Orleans in the 1800's). > > But I was looking for something a little more recent - like back to the > > 1600's perhaps. > > > > > > > > Maybe I expected too much? > > > > > > > > Kathy Cochran > > > > > > > > From: Sally Viada [mailto:sgvjada@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:16 AM > > To: Kathy Cochran > > Cc: laorleans > > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] DNA ethnicity test > > > > > > > > Well, I did the maternal line a couple of years ago through Ancestry. I > > know I have Spanish on my mother's line back to Graciana Solis, > > > > born abt 1751 in Cuba. Her grandmother died in Cuba abt 1712. So I thought > > it was safe to assume they were from Spain. > > > > Graciana married Juan Ronquillo. I also come from Graciana's brother Joseph > > Solis. > > > > > > > > The results came back that I came out of Africa abt 150,000 years ago. > > Thought everyone knew this. Did I miss something in > > > > reading the results?? > > > > > > > > Sally > > > > > > > > From: Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> > > To: 'Sally Viada' <sgvjada@yahoo.com>; laorlean@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:32 AM > > Subject: RE: [LAORLEAN] DNA ethnicity test > > > > > > Hi Sally, I am curious about your perceived results of your first test. I > > have had a similar reaction. > > > > Kathy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] > > On Behalf Of Sally Viada > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:54 AM > > To: laorleans > > Subject: [LAORLEAN] DNA ethnicity test > > > > Just sent off my dna ethnicity test from Ancestry today. Hope it > gets better > > results than the first > > > > one. > > > > Sally > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ > > Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5078 - Release Date: 06/18/12 > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5079 - Release Date: 06/19/12 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Don't walk as if you are the king, but walk as if you are not bothered by who the king is."

        This is so true. I once did a circle tree. Much to my amazement on the outer edge of the tree (7th or 8th generation) was 1 woman with 2 different husbands SIX or SEVEN times!   Madelaine Rouger who married Guillaume Burat(Buras) in Mobile, then to Antoine Negrier, before she came to Plaquemines Parish.   She is like the matriarch of my family. She had so many grandchildren, who all married each other!! Then on the Solis side I come from a sister who married Ronquillo, and her brother who married a Perez. Maybe that explains everything lol By the way I just received my dna ethnicity results, will post later today From: Cheramie Breaux <chamoo@q.com> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] DNA ethnicity test Try Avoyelles Parish.  I once showed a section of that genealogy to a friend who was a serious show-dog breeder.  She said "we wouldn't breed dogs that close!"  :>) I often marvel that some of the descendents, like ME, can stand erect or eat with a fork. :>)  I have one line that 9 generations back from my cousin, the same couple repeats over and over.  And if that isn't enough, the husband of that couple's sister, is several times in the 8th generation.  Whew.  This is no joke and I can prove it. At 01:22 PM 7/22/2012, you wrote: >Catching up late on reading messages and chiming in late as well. I >went to Ireland a very long time ago, to attend the wedding of a >friend. The guy she married didn't look Irish (whatever that is) to >me.Anyway, I said something like that to another person at the >wedding and his response was "Dontcha know about the Voikings?" At >that time I hardly knew anything about "the Voikings". Well, he gave >me his version and much later the History Channel did a 2 hour show >about their raids -- anywhere they could sail--even dismantling >ships and putting them back together when they found a river. When >they decided to colonize Iceland they raided Ireland first for women >to take along. So I guess if people in Iceland check their DNA a >large portion would be Celtic... Although, it is such a small place >that I think the most interesting DNA study would be the level of >inbreeding.  There are so many genealogy sites, and people >everywhere seem fascinated by it, but I rarely find that anyone! >  touches on inbreeding. Louisiana had a few spots notorious for > close cousin marriage but not too many people speak of it. In my > research, when I would find a marriage or birth record where the > the man and woman had the same surname I thought it was a > transciption error. Eventually I realized that what I was seeing > was first cousin marriages when I checked the parents of the couple. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] > > On Behalf Of Kathy Cochran > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 4:23 PM > > To: 'Sally Viada' > > Cc: 'laorleans' > > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] DNA ethnicity test > > > > Hi Sally, > > > > > > > > I had my Uncle's DNA tested, because we were looking to break a brick wall > > on my Cochran great-grandfather, who undoubtedly came from a Scottish line, > > but no info further back than 1818 is available.  AND, I have > traced about 4 > > lines of our family back into Germany.  The results came back that Paco is > > about 75% Scandanavian!  I expected the results to say something > like about > > 75% German!  The real answer to this is that the Vikings invaded Scotland > > and created Cochrans, and the Vikings invaded Germany and created Borns and > > Rices (Reiss's)( my families that immigrated to New Orleans in the 1800's). > > But I was looking for something a little more recent - like back to the > > 1600's perhaps. > > > > > > > > Maybe I expected too much? > > > > > > > > Kathy Cochran > > > > > > > > From: Sally Viada [mailto:sgvjada@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:16 AM > > To: Kathy Cochran > > Cc: laorleans > > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] DNA ethnicity test > > > > > > > > Well, I did the maternal line a couple of years ago through Ancestry.  I > > know I have Spanish on my mother's line back to Graciana Solis, > > > > born abt 1751 in Cuba. Her grandmother died in Cuba abt 1712. So I thought > > it was safe to assume they were from Spain. > > > > Graciana married Juan Ronquillo. I also come from Graciana's brother Joseph > > Solis. > > > > > > > > The results came back that I came out of Africa abt 150,000 years ago. > > Thought everyone knew this.  Did I miss something in > > > > reading the results?? > > > > > > > > Sally > > > > > > > > From: Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> > > To: 'Sally Viada' <sgvjada@yahoo.com>; laorlean@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:32 AM > > Subject: RE: [LAORLEAN] DNA ethnicity test > > > > > > Hi Sally,  I am curious about your perceived results of your first test.  I > > have had a similar reaction. > > > > Kathy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] > > On Behalf Of Sally Viada > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:54 AM > > To: laorleans > > Subject: [LAORLEAN] DNA ethnicity test > > > > Just sent off my dna ethnicity test from Ancestry today. Hope it > gets better > > results than the first > > > > one. > > > > Sally > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ > > Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5078 - Release Date: 06/18/12 > > > > > > > > > >  _____ > > > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5079 - Release Date: 06/19/12 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Don't walk as if you are the king, but walk as if you  are not bothered by who the king is." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Catching up late on reading messages and chiming in late as well. I went to Ireland a very long time ago, to attend the wedding of a friend. The guy she married didn't look Irish (whatever that is) to me.Anyway, I said something like that to another person at the wedding and his response was "Dontcha know about the Voikings?" At that time I hardly knew anything about "the Voikings". Well, he gave me his version and much later the History Channel did a 2 hour show about their raids -- anywhere they could sail--even dismantling ships and putting them back together when they found a river. When they decided to colonize Iceland they raided Ireland first for women to take along. So I guess if people in Iceland check their DNA a large portion would be Celtic... Although, it is such a small place that I think the most interesting DNA study would be the level of inbreeding. There are so many genealogy sites, and people everywhere seem fascinated by it, but I rarely find that anyone touches on inbreeding. Louisiana had a few spots notorious for close cousin marriage but not too many people speak of it. In my research, when I would find a marriage or birth record where the the man and woman had the same surname I thought it was a transciption error. Eventually I realized that what I was seeing was first cousin marriages when I checked the parents of the couple. > > -----Original Message----- > From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Kathy Cochran > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 4:23 PM > To: 'Sally Viada' > Cc: 'laorleans' > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] DNA ethnicity test > > Hi Sally, > > > > I had my Uncle's DNA tested, because we were looking to break a brick wall > on my Cochran great-grandfather, who undoubtedly came from a Scottish line, > but no info further back than 1818 is available. AND, I have traced about 4 > lines of our family back into Germany. The results came back that Paco is > about 75% Scandanavian! I expected the results to say something like about > 75% German! The real answer to this is that the Vikings invaded Scotland > and created Cochrans, and the Vikings invaded Germany and created Borns and > Rices (Reiss's)( my families that immigrated to New Orleans in the 1800's). > But I was looking for something a little more recent - like back to the > 1600's perhaps. > > > > Maybe I expected too much? > > > > Kathy Cochran > > > > From: Sally Viada [mailto:sgvjada@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:16 AM > To: Kathy Cochran > Cc: laorleans > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] DNA ethnicity test > > > > Well, I did the maternal line a couple of years ago through Ancestry. I > know I have Spanish on my mother's line back to Graciana Solis, > > born abt 1751 in Cuba. Her grandmother died in Cuba abt 1712. So I thought > it was safe to assume they were from Spain. > > Graciana married Juan Ronquillo. I also come from Graciana's brother Joseph > Solis. > > > > The results came back that I came out of Africa abt 150,000 years ago. > Thought everyone knew this. Did I miss something in > > reading the results?? > > > > Sally > > > > From: Kathy Cochran <kathys_old_house@goldrush.com> > To: 'Sally Viada' <sgvjada@yahoo.com>; laorlean@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:32 AM > Subject: RE: [LAORLEAN] DNA ethnicity test > > > Hi Sally, I am curious about your perceived results of your first test. I > have had a similar reaction. > > Kathy > > -----Original Message----- > From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Sally Viada > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:54 AM > To: laorleans > Subject: [LAORLEAN] DNA ethnicity test > > Just sent off my dna ethnicity test from Ancestry today. Hope it gets better > results than the first > > one. > > Sally > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ > Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5078 - Release Date: 06/18/12 > > > > > _____ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5079 - Release Date: 06/19/12 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So far, < Genealogybank.com > has done the best job for me with Historical Newspapers in New Orleans. LaRita Reynes

ProQuest offers dozens of databases, and libraries subscribe to various bundles or individual products. How useful they can be depends on which subscriptions a given library has purchased. Some are designed for Business, or Medical, or Science/Technology, which would have limited use unless you are searching for someone who was prominent in one of those worlds. I have found the Newspaper databases to be extremely useful - especially the ones that deal with "historical" papers (generally going back into the 19th century). But even the regular newspaper databases usually go back several decades; I have found lots of obits & other info on my relatives from this type of db. I visited the U of C Library's site to see what they offered. I could only go so far without an account. But the Quick Links on the newspaper article research pages included NY Times from 1857, Chicago Tribune from 1849, Washington Post from 1877, Boston Globe from 1872, LA Times from 1887, and Times of London from 1785. Looks like a goldmine to me! Even if your ancestors lived in NONE of those cities, you can still find interesting info. Newspapers often copied stories, & even obits if the deceased had relatives or friends in another city. You can also find lots of social history background info to enrich your research. One of my favorite random searches when I get access to an historical db is ("New Orleans" AND "yellow fever"). Or NO & hurricane; or NO & murder, or bootleggers, or prostitution. Sometimes you have to think creatively, and find search terms to match the language of the day. For prostitution, for example, they may have used such terms as bordello, disorderly house, bawdy house, etc. Most newspaper databases are "read" by OCR software, and this leads to many errors. Often, I have searched for one of my surnames and come up with nothing wonderful. But then I can find exactly what I'm looking for by being specific about the date (day after date of death, for example). Sometimes it helps to search for a surname with lots of "wildcards" to allow for misspellings or OCR or indexing errors. (e.g., for one of my unusual surnames, Voegelin, I might search for "Vo*g*l*n" - which brings up different forms of the name, such as Voglin, Vogelin, Voegelen, etc.) Often, you are given an option to view all the pages of an issue. So if you search for some general term (dead or accident or fire, etc.) on a specific date, you can then peruse the whole paper for the day. That technique has helped me locate obits or news stories that I have a reliable date for. These newspaper databases are extremely expensive, with the subscription cost usually based on the service population that would have access to it. I suspect they also vary by region of the country, but I have no real data on that. Sometimes we can have access through being a registered student or alumnus of a university, being a member of an historical or genealogical society or archive, or through our local public library or state library. But if you are lucky enough to have access, you should treasure it - and use it often. ONE CAVEAT: Be very careful about your login information. Some years ago, an enthusiastic genealogist in (I think) Ohio generously posted her library card number on a genealogy discussion board, to share access with fellow researchers. At the time, the state library had had a blanket subscription for all the libraries in the state. But when the company involved discovered the shared access number, they cancelled the subscriptions for the entire state. So please, don't post your info anywhere! Happy hunting! Kathleen, in Connecticut, by way of New Orleans ----- Original Message ----- From: Joan Schaefer <joan_f_schaefer@sbcglobal.net> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:30:43 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [LAORLEAN] Proquest Hello, Because of graduating from the University of Chicago, I have an account with Proquest. I do not know much about what Proquest is. Do any of you know, and do you know whether it has any usefulness for genealogy research? Thanks for any insight. Joan Schaefer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Because of graduating from the University of Chicago, I have an account with Proquest. I do not know much about what Proquest is. Do any of you know, and do you know whether it has any usefulness for genealogy research? Thanks for any insight. Joan Schaefer

Does anyone have access to this newspaper? It is an old German newspaper in New Orleans. I am looking for an obituary for Augusta Grunberg who died in July 1861 and the obituary is posted on July 17, 1861, page 3. Thanks! Julie Hernandez

Julie,   The Tägliche Deutsche Zeitung is available at the Louisiana Division of the New Orleans Public Library. You can get a copy of this obituary from them for $2.00.   You can follow their instructions here: http://nutrias.org/info/louinfo/louinfo2.htm and here: http://nutrias.org/~nopl/obits/orderingobits.htm Include a SASE with your request.   When you receive it, if you have trouble reading it, you can ask the list for assistance.   Norm   ________________________________ From: Julie <juliech@cox.net> To: LAORLEAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 8:44 PM Subject: [LAORLEAN] Deutsche Zeitung newspaper Does anyone have access to this newspaper?  It is an old German newspaper in New Orleans.  I am looking for an obituary for Augusta Grunberg who died in July 1861 and the obituary is posted on July 17, 1861, page 3. Thanks! Julie Hernandez

If you meant L and D? L is LIST - you get everything as it's sent. D is DIGEST - you get them in one email. I've not done digest so it's hard to explain. Peggy New Orleans Proud On Jul 10, 2012, at 6:02 PM, "Shelia Salomone" <salomos@comcast.net> wrote: > What is the difference between -L- and -B-? > > Shelia KRAEMER > > -----Original Message----- > From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Barbara Munson > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 3:49 PM > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] New Member > > To join LAORLEAN-L, send mail to LAORLEAN-L-request@rootsweb.com with the > single word subscribe in the message subject and body. To join LAORLEAN-D, > do the same thing with LAORLEAN-D-request@rootsweb.com. > > Barbara Munson > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joan Schaefer <joan_f_schaefer@sbcglobal.net> > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2012 1:47 PM > Subject: [LAORLEAN] New Member > > Hi everyone > Remind me how a new person can join our group Joan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message