Hi Allison I have double that situation. My father is adopted and my husband is adopted. We know both my fathers birth parents and my husband knows his birth mother. My dad, who is 68, actually met his birth grandfather, and his uncle and his wife and son. They were very pleased to meet us and gave my father alot of information. My dads adopted family has been nothing but accepting of him and is even called son by most of his family, who all know he is adopted. The only issue is that I just don't tell the adopted family that I am researching the birth family. It would hurt their feeling because they just don't concidered him differant from the rest of the family. When I talk to extended family researchers from the adopted line I just don't say anything about him being adopted. If they don't already know I never bring it up. My dad has the same name as my grandfather, is the oldest, and has two sibling who where not adopted so it all "seems normal". All that said, I believe that it really depends on the researcher. Some are what I call "real bloodline snobs". Others are interested in the entire family, whatever the family was. To me it is a differance between Family History and Family Lineage. I say keep researching and connecting. If they choice to be rude than that is their lose. They are the ones who are missing out on stories of family, courage, and love. Martha Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allison Bartsch" <rb1000@hotmail.com> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 PM Subject: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy > Hi Nova, > > I have a question to ask the list. I was lucky enough to have the > genealogy of my father's family done for me by an uncle years before I was > born. I had always been interested in family history because it was there > for me to know. My father's family had been on the Mississippi Coast > (Biloxi) since D'Iberville landed. > > Nobody had done research on my mother's family, which is from New Orleans. > My mother is adopted and there in comes the issue. My mother did not want > me to pursue her biological family. My grandmother adopted three little > girls, from the Protestant Home for Babies, in New Orleans. I even have > mother's adoption papers with her birth mother's name listed. But none of > the sisters have expressed any interest in their biological roots. > However, they were eager for me to do research on their adopted family. > Which I have done, with some measure of success. > > Apparently adoption is a volatile subject in genealogy. Recently, I have > had two "cousins" stop corresponding with me as soon as they found out my > mother was adopted. This has occurred within the last 6 months. > > I don't really know how to feel about this, it is quite upsetting. I > dared not tell my mother or her sisters, because I would never say or do > anything that would shame them about their adoption. > > Closer family members have done nothing but encourage me in my research. > But I have had the snub happen before when I first started doing research, > about six years ago. > > Can someone educate me about the prevailing attitude toward adoptees in > genealogy? Are these snubs common for adoptees? Am I wrong in thinking > that my mother's adopted family is just as legitimate as blood? I have > and would never claim any type of heritage for joining associations like > the DAR or their like. My grandmother was a great lady, and she chose my > mother and her sisters to be her family, I don't see why we can't be her > family too. > > Thank you for your consideration of this matter. > > Allison Eleuterius Bartsch > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Judy, You and I have corresponded before regarding the Bosarge family. My Eleuterius family is littered with Bosarges from Bayou LaBatre. Anyhow, Marie Louise Croizet sounds very familiar. The daughter Julie might have married into the LaFontaine family on the coast. And, Mississippi City is a tiny little area between Gulfport and Biloxi. It takes up about 4 blocks on Hwy 90. I will check my research and look for her. I know I have seen that last name in the research on my father's family. Allison Eleuterius Bartsch

Hi Nova, I have a question to ask the list. I was lucky enough to have the genealogy of my father's family done for me by an uncle years before I was born. I had always been interested in family history because it was there for me to know. My father's family had been on the Mississippi Coast (Biloxi) since D'Iberville landed. Nobody had done research on my mother's family, which is from New Orleans. My mother is adopted and there in comes the issue. My mother did not want me to pursue her biological family. My grandmother adopted three little girls, from the Protestant Home for Babies, in New Orleans. I even have mother's adoption papers with her birth mother's name listed. But none of the sisters have expressed any interest in their biological roots. However, they were eager for me to do research on their adopted family. Which I have done, with some measure of success. Apparently adoption is a volatile subject in genealogy. Recently, I have had two "cousins" stop corresponding with me as soon as they found out my mother was adopted. This has occurred within the last 6 months. I don't really know how to feel about this, it is quite upsetting. I dared not tell my mother or her sisters, because I would never say or do anything that would shame them about their adoption. Closer family members have done nothing but encourage me in my research. But I have had the snub happen before when I first started doing research, about six years ago. Can someone educate me about the prevailing attitude toward adoptees in genealogy? Are these snubs common for adoptees? Am I wrong in thinking that my mother's adopted family is just as legitimate as blood? I have and would never claim any type of heritage for joining associations like the DAR or their like. My grandmother was a great lady, and she chose my mother and her sisters to be her family, I don't see why we can't be her family too. Thank you for your consideration of this matter. Allison Eleuterius Bartsch

Allison - I'm desperately searching for information about Joseph Antoine Raby, Jr. and his companion Marie Louise Croizet (a LOT of spellings for this name). Their daughter Julie was born in Mississippi City in 1815, which I understand has been sort of taken over by Biloxi and I can't remember the name of the adjoining town. From: Allison Bartsch Sent: Fri 4/4/2008 5:37 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] New Orleans Picayune Hi Laurie, What family are you researching in Biloxi? My family has been on the Gulf Coast for 11 generations. Allison Eleuterius Bartsch ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Laurie, What family are you researching in Biloxi? My family has been on the Gulf Coast for 11 generations. Allison Eleuterius Bartsch

Looking for information on: Berner, (Gottlieb. Germany to New Orleans by 1870) Boniface/Bonifar/Bonifer (Anne. Born St. Dominigue or Cuba between 1802 & 1810. Married Louis Gaignard, Sr. in New Orleans in 1831) Croizet/Croiset/Croezist/Croizait (Bernard(o). Godfather to Cecile Bang in Pascagoula, Mississippi in 1804. Father? Husband? Brother? of Marie Louise) de Flandres (Louis. France to Mobile in 1719. Settled in concession of Srs. De Semonville and Canet) Fellrath (Hubert. Alsace-Lorraine. Bottler by 1850 at corner of Hospital (Governor Nichols) and Bourbon) Gaignard (Louis Gaignard, Sr. born St. Domingue or West Indies around 1800. Married in New Orleans in 1831. Son of Rene Pierre Gaignard, Sr.?) Gaignard (Rene Pierre, Sr. Born in France. St. Domingue - Cuba - New Orleans by 1810. A teacher in 1810 at 38 St. Louis) Grandmaison (Luce Henriette. St. Dominigue-Cuba-New Orleans by 1812 w/ Jean Baptiste Pinta) Meyer (Hana/Johana Louise. Germany to New Orleans by 1870) Miche/Mitsch (on Dauphin Island by 1744) Nutter (Joseph, a carpenter. In New Orleans by 1880) Pinta (Jean Baptiste. Born France. St. Dominigue - Cuba- New Orleans by 1812) Raby (Pierre in New Orleans prior to 1770. Joseph Antoine Raby, Sr. in Mississippi in 1790 and Alabama by 1830) Thanks - Judy Vinson

Miss. River Branch Pilots  (Bar Pilots)   dmonroe12@cox.net GOOGLE.COM MISSISSIPPI RIVER BRANCH PILOTS ASSOCIATION http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index_pantheon.ssf?/newsstory/04basics. html Pilot primer For more than 150 years, river pilots have banded together to lead ships through Louisiana. 11/04/01 By Keith Darcé and Jeffrey Meitrodt Staff writers/The Times-Picayune Long before Mark Twain ever wrote a word about the Mississippi River, pilots were plying their trade on waterways throughout the world. Piloting was a recognized profession thousands of years ago among the Egyptians, Phoenicians and Greeks. The nature of the job hasn't changed much. Over the centuries, pilots have been hired because they understand the local waters better than captains who may have sailed ships halfway around the world but don't know the first thing about local river or port conditions. In Louisiana, piloting dates back to the 1700s. In those days, pilots brawled over the best assignments, and many lacked the skill and knowledge to handle the job, according to a recent article in the Loyola Law Review. The profession got a much-needed blast of respectability in 1837, when the state Legislature created a licensing system that established qualifications for pilots and set rates for their services. Except for a few minor changes, that system remains in place today. It has simply migrated up the river, along with the shipping business and port docks. There are now three separate pilot groups on the Mississippi, each with a monopoly over foreign ships on its portion of the river, and a smaller fourth group known as the Lake Charles Pilot Association that works the Calcasieu River in western Louisiana. The oldest local pilot group, known as the Associated Branch Pilots, was organized in 1870 and is responsible for taking ships about 22 miles from the mouth of the Mississippi to Pilottown, a tiny remote island community in Plaquemines Parish where pilots work two-week shifts. Over the years, Branch pilots, also known as bar pilots, have been forced to shift their base of operations several times as the river has changed course. The next 106-mile leg of the journey is handled by the Crescent River Port Pilots Association, which was founded in 1908 and takes ships from Pilottown to New Orleans. Crescent pilot Mark Grusich III, whose grandfather was one of the first presidents of the association, said most ships didn't use a local pilot above Pilottown until the Crescent group was created. Crescent pilots also have a dormitory on the island, but they typically spend no more than a night there before catching an upriver ship back to New Orleans. The newest group is the New Orleans-Baton Rouge Steamship Pilots Association, and its members have been piloting ships on the 146-mile stretch of river between New Orleans and Baton Rouge since 1920. NOBRA President Joe Clayton said the group's business didn't really pick up until Standard Oil, now Exxon, built its first refinery in Baton Rouge in the 1930s. The group wasn't officially recognized by the Legislature until 1942. NOBRA pilots are the envy of the other two groups because they get to sleep at home every night when they're on duty. Pilot preparation Before becoming a full-fledged pilot, a candidate must work as an apprentice, which typically means riding along with other pilots and learning the ropes. The main differences among the groups are the amount of experience required for applicants and the length of the apprenticeship program. Generally, the more experience an apprentice has, the shorter the apprenticeship. For Branch pilots, who need a minimal amount of maritime experience to qualify for election, an apprenticeship may last anywhere from three to eight years, with apprentices earning no more than about $650 per month, association President Mike Lorino said. The other two groups take a different approach. Applicants must have a Coast Guard license to apply, meaning they usually have five to seven years of maritime experience, and spend one year as an apprentice. After completing an apprenticeship, candidates take a written test administered and graded by a panel of pilots. Unlike some states, which use competitively graded exams to determine who becomes a pilot, there is no cutoff score in Louisiana. But pilot examiners said they don't let apprentices on the river unless they know the material. Once candidates finish the apprenticeship and pass the exam, the oversight board recommends their appointment to the governor, who officially commissions all river pilots. None of the three groups can remember a single candidate who failed to obtain that approval. At that point, pilots legally could go into business for themselves. But there are no independent state-commissioned pilots. "It's not a practical thing for him to do," said Mike Delesdernier, attorney for the Crescent oversight board. "He wouldn't have a station house in Pilottown or a dispatcher or someone to submit invoices and collect on those bills." Most pilots said they never considered working by themselves, despite the high price of joining an association. The one-time membership fee ranges from $200,000 for the Associated Branch Pilots to the equivalent of a year's salary at the other two groups, or about $320,000. New members usually borrow the money from a bank and pay it back in a few years. Like any other source of association income, the dues are split equally among the pilots. That can produce a healthy bonus. At NOBRA, which elected 44 new apprentices this spring, a pot worth about $14 million will be split among about 80 pilots, which works out to about $170,000 per member. Pilots say the benefits of joining the association far outweigh the cost. "Everything changes when you go from an apprentice to a pilot," said Dan Mott, who borrowed almost $200,000 to join the Branch pilots in 1999. "You become an equal partner. I made as much as a first-year pilot as my dad did, and he had been doing it for 34 years." © ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)

Does anyone have any information on the Sloo family, the Brent family and the Kenner family? Teresa --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.

Main lines (mainly Westbank/Algiers, but some marriage connections on Eastbank and Jefferson Parish) Spellman Nolan Peterson Roache Shaw (related by marriage to Archbishop John Shaw) Burkett McLean Aikman Clasen Stenger Dubret Will email "related lines" later (Not at home) thanks, Lisa

I think so much about Burnses. Here is the other half, the Gregsons: Brauner Carreras Daly Dubernet Glaudi Gregson Hill Holzwarth Imholte Jane Kane Merriman Reinecker Sylvis Viola Joan Schaefer ----- Original Message ----- From: "mrszipp" <mrszipp@cox.net> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:40 PM Subject: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call > Would everyone on the list be up for a Roll Call? > > > Thanks > Bridgette > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Colleen, Do you still need photos? I checked some of mine and have Simon photos from the following addresses: 21 Hospital 183 Canal 631 Canal (A. Simon) Let me know if you still need anything? Norm --- CFitzp@aol.com wrote: . . . > Does anyone have photos from Simon photographer in > NO in the last 1800s? . . . ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com

would appreciate any information on early Miss. River Branch Pilots (Bar Pilots) dmonroe12@cox.net

Monroe (Ireland) McQuirk (Ireland) WILLIAMS ( Mass.) Allen (La.- Penn.) Gleason (Ireland) Thanks, David Monroe dmonroe12@cox.net

My New Orleans surnames: Meyers (German origins) - to US early/mid 1800s????? Minning (German origins) - to US 1850s Cearns ( Kearns Kerns ? ? ? ) (Irish origins) - to US ? Child / Childe - in NOLA before 1840 Lynch - to US about 1840s; from County Westmeath, Ireland Swanson - Sweden to Illinois 1868 then NOLA about 1890s Ranbarger - original connection to Europe unknown/presume German speaking; in Kentucky late 1700s; to Illinois about 1830; to NOLA about 1890s Barrett Baumiller Delatte Fisher / Fischer Ford Hossey / Housey / Hussey Koenig Kron McNeely Ray Shaughnessy / O'Shaughnessy Many connections to the Salem Evangelical Church from the early decades Thank you! ~Mary in Northern California

names researching delhommer delhomme delery deglapion darensbourg delachaise arboneaux - darboneau hickmann pepe royer senac - cenac trouard thiet todd humphries nezat bellamare roman fuselier de la claire grevemberg bois dore dejean any information on the above families would be gratly apreciated "The happiest people don't have the best of everything. They just make the best of everything." Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God Eula -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.digiportal.com

*Kay, I have some Miguez/Migues. Which ones are you researching? Copper * On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 2:19 AM, Kay Lemke <jokay12@gmail.com> wrote: > Looking for > > Hankins, New Iberia, Franklin, Oklahoma, New Orleans > > Dorsey, Franklin New Iberia area > > Roddy, New Iberia > > Attenhofer, New Orleans > > Miguez, New Iberia, Franklin, New Orleans > > Guest, New Iberia, New Orleans > > Lemke, Franklin > > Kramer, Franklin > > Satterlee, New Orleans > > Thanks, > Kay > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Joan, Have you checked the Tithe Applotment books in Ireland for Maher? Have you checked the origin of the name with Edward MacLysaght's Irish Families, More Irish Families and Supplement to Irish Families series on surnames? Have you checked any surname maps of Ireland to located the county of origin? These resources help you locate the exact townland, civil parish, barony, etc. in Ireland. Maher and Meyer do sound a lot alike. There were Germans who moved to Ireland in the 1800s. You need to check the surname origins to see if it is the same name or if Maher has an Irish origin. I have many Irish and German ancestors and have been trying to track them down for almost 30 years. I will send you what I have off list, as the families are living. Sharon Centanne joan_f_schaefer@sbcglobal.net wrote: >I am sending this both for Sharon Centanne for "Maher" and >juniorrocks8@juno.com > >for "Meyer". > >I have Patrick Maher b. 1826, married to Honora b. 1831. That is as far back >as I go with them. > >They had two daughters, but no sons, and thus, no one carrying the name. >The family, when the girls were grown, identified themselves with the last >name "Meaher." > >The first daughter Catherine (1857 - 5 Dec 1896) married Thomas Burns (18 >Jul 1855 - ) on 20 Apr 1874. I have numerous descendents from them. > >The other daughter of Patrick and Honora Maher is Margaret (1861 - ) married >James B. Keenan (1857 - ) 17 Jan 1881. I have not found any children. > >The Meaher girls with many of the Burnses share a tomb in Metairie Cemetery >with the Keenans. > >Though I see that the Meyers are most probably German and the Meahers are >most probably Irish, it is interesting that the names sound alike. > >Joan > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <juniorrocks8@juno.com> >To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 2:32 PM >Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call > > > > >>Beroular (Goodyear, Adorno and Clesi also connected with this name) >> (alternatively spelled Berouler, Berola, Birola, Beraular, Berauler, >>and Berrully) >> Trieste, Italy to New Orleans, Louisiana 1820-present >>Meyer (Howell also connected with this name) >> Hanover, Germany to New Orleans, Louisiana 1815-1900 >>Schmidt >> Oldenburg, Germany to New Orleans, Louisiana 1835-1924 >>Pfeiffer (Wagner also connected with this name) >> Baden, Germany to New Orleans, Louisiana 1800-1900 >>Williams >> Alabama to New Orleans, Louisiana 1826-1900 >>Lentz/Fields >> Louisville, Kentucky to New Orleans, Louisiana 1858-1910 >> Aubrey >> juniorrocks8@juno.com >> >>_____________________________________________________________ >>Click for an accredited Life Experience Degree in 5 days, make up to >>$150k. >>http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/REAK6ZpPBA6Px74YfsnvR3hbsviOBIa8OxJs1g06ExDjBixQQkXEg5/ >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

It doesn't look like we're connected. I've got: Antonia, Apolina, Caroline, Catherine, Catherine Cora, two Daniels, Earl, Edward W., Ellen, Emile, Ethel, Florena, Florence, Frances W., George b. 1884, George Daniel b. 1874, George b. ca. 1911, Josephine, Katie, Lenora Louisa, Lillian, Mary, Michael, Michel A., Michael Jr., Michael Sr., Milton, Rose Marie, Rosy, and Victoria. Some are known to be related and some could be but I haven't found it yet. John G. -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Buckles Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 12:48 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call John, I don't currently have a lot of Wendling information for that generation. My Wendling ancestor who came from Lampertsloch, Alsace, France to New Orleans was George Wendling (b. 1845). He married (in France) Madelein Apprill. Their children were George, Madelein/Magdalena, Marie/Mary (my gr grandmother), Charles, Annie, and Martin Anthony. I haven't been able to locate any siblings for George, but he could easily have a sibling born in 1850. George died in 1878 in the yellow fever epidemic. I believe he was buried in the Valence St. Cemetery, but I might be getting him mixed up with someone else. Madelein never remarried and raised the family on her own. Does any of this sound familiar to you? Patti in Mississippi ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

George H. W. Skinner bn London 1826, died 1896 N.O. Occupation on 1870-1880 census of N.O. is that of artist. Portrait Came to New York early 1850s, married Annie Watson of New York, and was in N.O. by 1860 with 2 daughters. 1st daughter Getty Jean Skinner bn 1855 N.Y., died 1932 N.O., married George Meyer. Their children married into the Kaltenbach, Planchard, Eschart, Gunnuch, Weiskopf and Scheueman families. 2nd daughter Harriot bn 1857 N.Y., died 1945 N.O., married Onospe Joseph Triay, son of Jose Triay and Josephine Orosco. Their children married into Embry (my maiden name), Wille, Weinmann, Tregle, and Weaver families. Jose Triay was born 1806 in Mahon, Balearic Islands, Spain. Died in N.O. 1875. _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008

Here are my people: Adams Avril Barriere Barrois Bingaman Cadichon Casbergue Castanedo Cohen Corbet/Corbé Decoudreaux De Justis (Perdomo) Esnard Ferrara Francois/Frank Gardina/Giardina Garnier Jalliot/Jaillot Jeanne La Forest/La Foret/Forest Lamothe/Lamotte Langlois Lecesne Lopez Mahier Mathé Meunier Perrault Perry Placeres/Plazeres Soublet Trevigne Jennifer