Not flesh of my flesh Nor bone of my bone, But still miraculously My own. Never forget For a single minute: You didn't grow under my heart But in it.

keep trying to research both families. In time they might really see the senselessness in thinking this way. They are all family, just a bit different family. Boodline is something different altogether. Not everyone feels this way. I have received much information from spouces who are not really bloodline, but are helpful anyway. Anne **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)

I have to agree with that. I believe that just because you follow the bloodline, doesn't not mean that you do not love your adoptive family. Anne **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)

and gov Claiborne had their heads chopped off and put on stakes on the road to New Orleans as a warning against further resistance to slavery. -------------- Original message from "Carolyn Long" <carolynlong@earthlink.net>: -------------- > As I mentioned, I'm working on the Macarty family, and I have questions about a > couple of statements posted by another member of this list: "one of [the > Macarty] plantations was involved in the famous slave revolt conspiracy of the > early 1800s" and "Augustin de Macarty’s son, Lewis Barthelemy Macarty, served as > Secretary of State under Governor Claiborne in 1812." > > I'm especially interested in the idea that a slave revolt took place on one of > the Macarty plantations, because this story keeps cropping up, with the > implication that Delphine Macarty Lalaurie's cruelty to her slaves was done in > revenge for her mother being killed by her own slaves during this uprising. > Presumably the "famous slave revolt" referred to is the one that occurred on > January 8, 1811, in St. Charles Parish above New Orleans. The revolt was > organized by a mulatto from Saint-Domingue named Charles, slave of the Widow > Deslondes, who was employed as a driver on the plantation of Manuel Andry. The > Macartys, as far as I know, were not affected by this incident. Delphine's > mother, Marie Jeanne Lerable, had died of natural causes on February 26, 1807. I > think people may have confused the 1811 slave revolt and the 1807 death of > Madame Macarty with the murder of Baptiste Césaire le Breton (husband of > Delphine's father's sister Jeanne Françoise Macarty), who killed by his s! > laves in 1771 on the uptown Macarty plantation that later became the site of > the town of Carrollton. > > Regarding Augustin de Macarty--does the writer refer to Augustin François > Macarty, who was mayor of New Orleans from 1815-1820, or to his father, Augustin > Guillaume Macarty? Augustin François had several "natural" children by free > women of color, but no "legitimate" children. Louis Barthelemy Macarty was the > son of the Chevalier Louis Barthelemy Macarty, and was Delphine Macarty > Lalaurie's brother. I believe it was Jean Baptiste Macarty who served as a > government official under Claiborne. > > > --- Carolyn Long--- carolynlong@earthlink.net

My aunt married once had six children and only three are her hubbys. I am one of only 4 people who know which children are not the hubby's and who the baby daddy really is. My Aunt, My Grandmother, My Grandfather and Me. I am the only one living. I am the youngest of all my grandmother's grandchildren born to her youngest child. and was raised by grandma. In the 70's children were seen and not heard from. I heard everything they had to say and remember it all. My hubby hates my memory. So how do we do the bloodline there? They all have the same father and mother on birth certificates, but blood they do not. One knows who his bio-dad was but the other 2 do not. Do I put it in my tree and hurt my cousin's feelings or do I take it to the grave as the others. But then again the health reasons they should know. this is why the one does know, because of his health and they needed answers. Mama's baby, daddy's maybe Darnell Marie Brunner Beck {Dee} "The Woman who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything." Edward J Phelps 1822 - 1900 Orleans Parish Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/la/orleans.htm My Home Page http://members.cox.net/darnellmbrunner/home.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Morris" <marilynmorris@charter.net> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy > Wilson, > > It might be interesting to really know as we do our genealogy > studies, eliminating those who are adopted from this research, how > many of us are true legitimate descendants of ancestors. There may > be less true bloodlines than we believe. Surely promiscuous behavior > is not new in the 19 th- 21 st centuries. > > MM born in New Orleans, but living in TN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 2008, at 6:41 PM, Wilson wrote: > >> I don't believe that it is fair to call someone a "bloodline >> snob". Many >> researchers are looking for their heritage - which is bloodline. >> Genealogy >> research, as its very nature is bloodline. Some want to join heritage >> organizations, others just want the information. I see no reason >> that an >> adopted person should not research their adopted family's >> heritage. Just be >> sure to not pass along or include any of the information on >> themselves as >> "family". Sounds harsh, but the truth is that Genealogy is truly >> about >> Bloodline. >> >> We had a situation in our family that involved an adopted person >> (who did >> not know they were adopted) supplying information that was >> erroneous and >> caused many problems in having people believing and researching the >> wrong >> lines. Love and respect your adopted family as I am sure they do >> you. But >> please be careful to only pass along bloodline information >> >> Wilson >> Texas >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Martha Carpenter" <mbarker@austin.rr.com> >> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy >> >> >>> Hi Allison >>> >>> I have double that situation. My father is adopted and my >>> husband is >>> adopted. We know both my fathers birth parents and my husband >>> knows his >>> birth mother. My dad, who is 68, actually met his birth >>> grandfather, and >>> his uncle and his wife and son. They were very pleased to meet us >>> and >>> gave >>> my father alot of information. My dads adopted family has been >>> nothing >>> but >>> accepting of him and is even called son by most of his family, who >>> all >>> know >>> he is adopted. The only issue is that I just don't tell the adopted >>> family >>> that I am researching the birth family. It would hurt their feeling >>> because >>> they just don't concidered him differant from the rest of the family. >>> When >>> I talk to extended family researchers from the adopted line I just >>> don't >>> say >>> anything about him being adopted. If they don't already know I never >>> bring >>> it up. My dad has the same name as my grandfather, is the oldest, >>> and has >>> two sibling who where not adopted so it all "seems normal". >>> All that said, I believe that it really depends on the >>> researcher. >>> Some are what I call "real bloodline snobs". Others are >>> interested in the >>> entire family, whatever the family was. To me it is a differance >>> between >>> Family History and Family Lineage. I say keep researching and >>> connecting. >>> If they choice to be rude than that is their lose. They are the >>> ones who >>> are missing out on stories of family, courage, and love. >>> >>> Martha Carpenter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Allison Bartsch" <rb1000@hotmail.com> >>> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 PM >>> Subject: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy >>> >>> >>>> Hi Nova, >>>> >>>> I have a question to ask the list. I was lucky enough to have the >>>> genealogy of my father's family done for me by an uncle years >>>> before I >>>> was >>>> born. I had always been interested in family history because it was >>>> there >>>> for me to know. My father's family had been on the Mississippi >>>> Coast >>>> (Biloxi) since D'Iberville landed. >>>> >>>> Nobody had done research on my mother's family, which is from New >>>> Orleans. >>>> My mother is adopted and there in comes the issue. My mother did >>>> not >>>> want >>>> me to pursue her biological family. My grandmother adopted three >>>> little >>>> girls, from the Protestant Home for Babies, in New Orleans. I >>>> even have >>>> mother's adoption papers with her birth mother's name listed. >>>> But none >>>> of >>>> the sisters have expressed any interest in their biological roots. >>>> However, they were eager for me to do research on their adopted >>>> family. >>>> Which I have done, with some measure of success. >>>> >>>> Apparently adoption is a volatile subject in genealogy. >>>> Recently, I have >>>> had two "cousins" stop corresponding with me as soon as they >>>> found out my >>>> mother was adopted. This has occurred within the last 6 months. >>>> >>>> I don't really know how to feel about this, it is quite >>>> upsetting. I >>>> dared not tell my mother or her sisters, because I would never >>>> say or do >>>> anything that would shame them about their adoption. >>>> >>>> Closer family members have done nothing but encourage me in my >>>> research. >>>> But I have had the snub happen before when I first started doing >>>> research, >>>> about six years ago. >>>> >>>> Can someone educate me about the prevailing attitude toward >>>> adoptees in >>>> genealogy? Are these snubs common for adoptees? Am I wrong in >>>> thinking >>>> that my mother's adopted family is just as legitimate as blood? >>>> I have >>>> and would never claim any type of heritage for joining >>>> associations like >>>> the DAR or their like. My grandmother was a great lady, and she >>>> chose my >>>> mother and her sisters to be her family, I don't see why we can't >>>> be her >>>> family too. >>>> >>>> Thank you for your consideration of this matter. >>>> >>>> Allison Eleuterius Bartsch >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

my families of interest are: Suarez (St. Bernard) Macle (Orleans, Plaquemines) Pinero (Orleans, Plaquemines) Solis (Orleans, Plaquemines) Bougon (Orleans) Ronquillo (Orleans, Plaquemines, St. Bernard) Ronquille rleans, Plaquemines, St. Bernard) Horne (Georgia, Arkansas) Pritchett (Ouachita) I too was adopted by stepfather, and list myself under my father's line with my mother. Father was in the process of annulling the adoption when he died when I was 8 yrs. old. Evil stepmother denied my existence. Robert G. Pritchett Miller

I think it's a shame that some people have such a problem with this. My great-great grandmother was adopted. My grandfather and great aunt have both told me this. However, they refuse to tell me whether they know anything about her birth family, and it is next to impossible to find anything without a single clue! I don't see any issue with researching both lines. They're all family. I've even "adopted" the (totally unrelated) family that built the house I now live in. Good luck in your search! Aubrey _____________________________________________________________ Click to shop and compare great deals on trucks. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iieRUWcpHBJOgxhXfDX0B8XIkSmVTOeehTNb9cYcVmR0zcJs1/

How about "Chosen" instead of adopted? Penny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverty Morris" <bevart@frontiernet.net> Hello, . . . By the way, I wish some one would come up with a better name than "adopted". When my children were adopted their birth parents were called "biological parents". Birth parents sounds so nice, but "adoptive" doesn't sound good to me; after all you can adopt a pet. Bev in Calif. PA native

Allison, we may have "spoken" before about this. Julie Raby, daughter of Marie Louise Croizet and Joseph Antoine Raby, Jr. married Joseph Pinta. Thank you so very much for offering to look through your material for the Croizets. We absolutely haven't been able to find out anything about Marie Louise other than she was the "lawful heiress" of Bernard(o) Croizet. Judy Vinson From: Allison Bartsch Sent: Fri 4/4/2008 6:07 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] New Orleans Picayune Hi Judy, You and I have corresponded before regarding the Bosarge family. My Eleuterius family is littered with Bosarges from Bayou LaBatre. Anyhow, Marie Louise Croizet sounds very familiar. The daughter Julie might have married into the LaFontaine family on the coast. And, Mississippi City is a tiny little area between Gulfport and Biloxi. It takes up about 4 blocks on Hwy 90. I will check my research and look for her. I know I have seen that last name in the research on my father's family. Allison Eleuterius Bartsch ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Renee Hotard Names I'm researching in Louisiana: Direct Lines: Aufrere, Benich, Bopf, Borne, Bossie [Bossier], Bourgeois, Boutte, Calendre, Carmouche, Chenet, Chennion, Chevalier, Couturier, Cunningham, DeGruy, Diederlen, Doss, Dubuisson, Dupont dit le Kintrek, Durand [or Lapeyre], Engel [Inglar], Evans, Folse, Gendner, Guillemet dit La Lande, Herzog, Hotard, Hubert dit la Croix, Huval, Perret, Pujol, Rome [Rommel], Ruth, St. Amand, Tregre, Trosclair, Verges, Witzman, Zeringue Allied Families: Henning, Lapeyronnie, Middleton,

Your message sounds joyous. MM in TN On Apr 4, 2008, at 9:50 PM, Beverty Morris wrote: > Hello, > > My husband was adopted as an infant and we adopted our two children > (boy & > girl) also as infants in 1964 and 1966. Each one of their > situations are > different. The kids never remember me sitting down and telling them > because > we always talked about it in story form. > > On my family website (tribalpages.com), I add the birthparents > names. if I > know them. For others, I just type "birth parents unknown". So far, > no one > seems offended. We have learned who my husband's birth mother was > and have > traced some of her ancestry. We found out about my daughter's birth > parents > and met the mother, maternal grandfather, and paternal > grandparents. (Birth > father died when my daughter was 2.) Unfortunately, we have never > found out > anything for my son, although I've posted queries. > > I have separate websites for my husband's and daughter's birth > side. For my > daughter, I wrote under her notes that we are her adoptive parents; > also did > this for my husband and wrote "birth father" unknown. This way, my > precious > little granddaughter (age 8) will have all her family's names. > > By the way, I wish some one would come up with a better name than > "adopted". > When my children were adopted their birth parents were called > "biological > parents". Birth parents sounds so nice, but "adoptive" doesn't > sound good to > me; after all you can adopt a pet. > > As for lineage societies... I belong to DAR (did it for the > challenge) and > if I didn't tell anybody, my daughter could join with the paperwork > I have, > but know it would be bogus. She is a descendant of early > Californians and > should be able to join "The Native Daughters of the Golden West", > but can't > prove it because her birth certificate shows us as her parents. The > good > thing is she's not a joiner, so it's OK with her. (Life does suck > sometimes.) > > When I met my daughter's birth mother in 1990, we had a big family > reunion. > It was fun! > > I believe that it's not only about the genealogy, it's about family > history. > I do not like to call myself a genealogist, but rather the family > historian. > > Good luck in searching! > > Bev in Calif. > PA native > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allison Bartsch" <rb1000@hotmail.com> > To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 3:57 PM > Subject: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy > > >> Hi Nova, >> >> I have a question to ask the list. I was lucky enough to have the >> genealogy of my father's family done for me by an uncle years >> before I was >> born. I had always been interested in family history because it >> was there >> for me to know. My father's family had been on the Mississippi Coast >> (Biloxi) since D'Iberville landed. >> >> Nobody had done research on my mother's family, which is from New >> Orleans. >> My mother is adopted and there in comes the issue. My mother did >> not want >> me to pursue her biological family. My grandmother adopted three >> little >> girls, from the Protestant Home for Babies, in New Orleans. I >> even have >> mother's adoption papers with her birth mother's name listed. But >> none of >> the sisters have expressed any interest in their biological roots. >> However, they were eager for me to do research on their adopted >> family. >> Which I have done, with some measure of success. >> >> Apparently adoption is a volatile subject in genealogy. Recently, >> I have >> had two "cousins" stop corresponding with me as soon as they found >> out my >> mother was adopted. This has occurred within the last 6 months. >> >> I don't really know how to feel about this, it is quite upsetting. I >> dared not tell my mother or her sisters, because I would never say >> or do >> anything that would shame them about their adoption. >> >> Closer family members have done nothing but encourage me in my >> research. >> But I have had the snub happen before when I first started doing >> research, >> about six years ago. >> >> Can someone educate me about the prevailing attitude toward >> adoptees in >> genealogy? Are these snubs common for adoptees? Am I wrong in >> thinking >> that my mother's adopted family is just as legitimate as blood? I >> have >> and would never claim any type of heritage for joining >> associations like >> the DAR or their like. My grandmother was a great lady, and she >> chose my >> mother and her sisters to be her family, I don't see why we can't >> be her >> family too. >> >> Thank you for your consideration of this matter. >> >> Allison Eleuterius Bartsch >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

interesting information for all of us. Thank you for sharing. MM born in NO and living in TN On Apr 4, 2008, at 8:55 PM, Carolyn Long wrote: > As I mentioned, I'm working on the Macarty family, and I have > questions about a couple of statements posted by another member of > this list: "one of [the Macarty] plantations was involved in the > famous slave revolt conspiracy of the early 1800s" and "Augustin de > Macarty’s son, Lewis Barthelemy Macarty, served as Secretary of > State under Governor Claiborne in 1812." > > I'm especially interested in the idea that a slave revolt took > place on one of the Macarty plantations, because this story keeps > cropping up, with the implication that Delphine Macarty Lalaurie's > cruelty to her slaves was done in revenge for her mother being > killed by her own slaves during this uprising. Presumably the > "famous slave revolt" referred to is the one that occurred on > January 8, 1811, in St. Charles Parish above New Orleans. The > revolt was organized by a mulatto from Saint-Domingue named > Charles, slave of the Widow Deslondes, who was employed as a driver > on the plantation of Manuel Andry. The Macartys, as far as I know, > were not affected by this incident. Delphine's mother, Marie Jeanne > Lerable, had died of natural causes on February 26, 1807. I think > people may have confused the 1811 slave revolt and the 1807 death > of Madame Macarty with the murder of Baptiste Césaire le Breton > (husband of Delphine's father's sister Jeanne Françoise Macarty), > who killed by his s! > laves in 1771 on the uptown Macarty plantation that later became > the site of the town of Carrollton. > > Regarding Augustin de Macarty--does the writer refer to Augustin > François Macarty, who was mayor of New Orleans from 1815-1820, or > to his father, Augustin Guillaume Macarty? Augustin François had > several "natural" children by free women of color, but no > "legitimate" children. Louis Barthelemy Macarty was the son of the > Chevalier Louis Barthelemy Macarty, and was Delphine Macarty > Lalaurie's brother. I believe it was Jean Baptiste Macarty who > served as a government official under Claiborne. > > > --- Carolyn Long > --- carolynlong@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Wilson, It might be interesting to really know as we do our genealogy studies, eliminating those who are adopted from this research, how many of us are true legitimate descendants of ancestors. There may be less true bloodlines than we believe. Surely promiscuous behavior is not new in the 19 th- 21 st centuries. MM born in New Orleans, but living in TN On Apr 4, 2008, at 6:41 PM, Wilson wrote: > I don't believe that it is fair to call someone a "bloodline > snob". Many > researchers are looking for their heritage - which is bloodline. > Genealogy > research, as its very nature is bloodline. Some want to join heritage > organizations, others just want the information. I see no reason > that an > adopted person should not research their adopted family's > heritage. Just be > sure to not pass along or include any of the information on > themselves as > "family". Sounds harsh, but the truth is that Genealogy is truly > about > Bloodline. > > We had a situation in our family that involved an adopted person > (who did > not know they were adopted) supplying information that was > erroneous and > caused many problems in having people believing and researching the > wrong > lines. Love and respect your adopted family as I am sure they do > you. But > please be careful to only pass along bloodline information > > Wilson > Texas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martha Carpenter" <mbarker@austin.rr.com> > To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy > > >> Hi Allison >> >> I have double that situation. My father is adopted and my >> husband is >> adopted. We know both my fathers birth parents and my husband >> knows his >> birth mother. My dad, who is 68, actually met his birth >> grandfather, and >> his uncle and his wife and son. They were very pleased to meet us >> and >> gave >> my father alot of information. My dads adopted family has been >> nothing >> but >> accepting of him and is even called son by most of his family, who >> all >> know >> he is adopted. The only issue is that I just don't tell the adopted >> family >> that I am researching the birth family. It would hurt their feeling >> because >> they just don't concidered him differant from the rest of the family. >> When >> I talk to extended family researchers from the adopted line I just >> don't >> say >> anything about him being adopted. If they don't already know I never >> bring >> it up. My dad has the same name as my grandfather, is the oldest, >> and has >> two sibling who where not adopted so it all "seems normal". >> All that said, I believe that it really depends on the >> researcher. >> Some are what I call "real bloodline snobs". Others are >> interested in the >> entire family, whatever the family was. To me it is a differance >> between >> Family History and Family Lineage. I say keep researching and >> connecting. >> If they choice to be rude than that is their lose. They are the >> ones who >> are missing out on stories of family, courage, and love. >> >> Martha Carpenter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Allison Bartsch" <rb1000@hotmail.com> >> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 PM >> Subject: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy >> >> >>> Hi Nova, >>> >>> I have a question to ask the list. I was lucky enough to have the >>> genealogy of my father's family done for me by an uncle years >>> before I >>> was >>> born. I had always been interested in family history because it was >>> there >>> for me to know. My father's family had been on the Mississippi >>> Coast >>> (Biloxi) since D'Iberville landed. >>> >>> Nobody had done research on my mother's family, which is from New >>> Orleans. >>> My mother is adopted and there in comes the issue. My mother did >>> not >>> want >>> me to pursue her biological family. My grandmother adopted three >>> little >>> girls, from the Protestant Home for Babies, in New Orleans. I >>> even have >>> mother's adoption papers with her birth mother's name listed. >>> But none >>> of >>> the sisters have expressed any interest in their biological roots. >>> However, they were eager for me to do research on their adopted >>> family. >>> Which I have done, with some measure of success. >>> >>> Apparently adoption is a volatile subject in genealogy. >>> Recently, I have >>> had two "cousins" stop corresponding with me as soon as they >>> found out my >>> mother was adopted. This has occurred within the last 6 months. >>> >>> I don't really know how to feel about this, it is quite >>> upsetting. I >>> dared not tell my mother or her sisters, because I would never >>> say or do >>> anything that would shame them about their adoption. >>> >>> Closer family members have done nothing but encourage me in my >>> research. >>> But I have had the snub happen before when I first started doing >>> research, >>> about six years ago. >>> >>> Can someone educate me about the prevailing attitude toward >>> adoptees in >>> genealogy? Are these snubs common for adoptees? Am I wrong in >>> thinking >>> that my mother's adopted family is just as legitimate as blood? >>> I have >>> and would never claim any type of heritage for joining >>> associations like >>> the DAR or their like. My grandmother was a great lady, and she >>> chose my >>> mother and her sisters to be her family, I don't see why we can't >>> be her >>> family too. >>> >>> Thank you for your consideration of this matter. >>> >>> Allison Eleuterius Bartsch >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jan, You know, I have made that argument to her. I think it is because my mom and her sisters are not related by blood either. They were all adopted in different years and there is 9 years age difference between them collectively. They have told me before that it would be a lot to ask me to find three sets of parents and those family histories. And I think they see it as an all for one situation.... Allison Eleuterius Bartsch

Cat, Thanks for sending this info on the McCarty Plantation. I just hope this is my McCartys. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cat" <ambicat@charter.net> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] McCarty Plantation > Try this from Grace King's book....lots on the Macarty family: > http://tinyurl.com/5ckr2u >>There is a description of the house close to the bottom of section on the >>Macartys > > Cat Donnow > http://www.ambiancestudio.com > mailto:ambicat@charter.net > >

Subject: Adoption I don't know if this will help anyone. My brother and his wife adopted 4 children. Everyone knows they are adopted but they are family just like my sister's bio children are and my bio children. In my genealogy, I call them "family - not blood". I wouldn't ever consider trying to find out how they happened to come into the world. That is none of my business. If they should want to know who their bio parents are, they will do the research. My 2 cents worth of wisdom for the day.... Susan **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)

Allison, why are there more adoptees in N.O. because of Catholicism? I think I'm missing something here. Also, perhaps your mother would be more willing for you to research her biological parents so you could learn necessary medical information about them (i.e. how they died, diseases, chronic conditions, etc.). Jan >Message: 9 >Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 20:50:02 -0500 >From: "Allison Bartsch" <rb1000@hotmail.com> >Subject: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy Snip >I stared this discussion because I know there are many New Orleans >families who have adoptees in their family, much more so than other >American cities, because of the Catholic population. I wanted to know how >you all felt about this because I know that you all are incredibly decent >people and I value your opinion. > >This has been a very upsetting situation for me, and the kind words >offered by list members is truly appreciated. > >Allison Eleuterius Bartsch

Carolyn, Thank you so much for sending this info to me. I will definitely contact you off-line. And yes, my McCartys are of color. Julie Hernandez ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Long" <carolynlong@earthlink.net> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] McCarty Plantation > Hello Julie > One reason you can't find anything is that the family name is usually > spelled MACARTY or DE MACARTY. There were several branches of this > family--one owned land upriver in what is now Carrollton, one owned land > downriver in what is now the Bywater, and one owned land in St. Bernard > Parish near the Chalmette Battlefield. I've working on a research project > on this family, and will send you some sources if you contact me off-line > (carolynlong@earthlink.net). Also, if you're in New Orleans and spend time > at the NOPL, you will probably meet a lovely lady named Sonja McCarthy > (yes, I know, that's not the way it was traditionally spelled), who has > compiled an incredible genealogy on the Macartys of color. > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Julie Campbell Hernandez <juliech@cox.net> >> To: <LAORLEAN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: 03/30/2008 9:45:09 PM >> Subject: [LAORLEAN] McCarty Plantation >> >> Hi, Nova! >> >> Does anyone know anything about the McCarty Plantation? The only thing I > can find is that it was located in what we now know as Carrollton and the > house on the plantation eventually became the Court House for the > Carrollton. The plantation was annexed to the City of New Orleans in > 1833. > >> >> What I really need to know is who built/owned/lived in the McCarty > Plantation. I can find nothing on the McCarty family with regard to the > plantation. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Julie Hernandez >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1359 - Release Date: > 04/04/2008 8:23 AM > > > >

Joan, That is the family alright, and yes, Federico was indeed Amelia's husband. I will send you the death certificate for him which identifies his parents as Salvador Carreras and Josefa Boada. I was hoping to find that the family had ties to Menorca but one tidbit of info I have hints that they are probably from mainland Spain. I'll send that info too. Thanks for the reply. joan_f_schaefer@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Dear Glen, > My Anita Carreras, was born about 1926, was living in New Orleans in 1930 > with her father Fred, Mother Anna, and little sister Frances. > She married Raymond Gregson born about 1923, and they had three sons and two > daughters, one son of whom died in 2002. > I have Fred as Frederich in the 1920 Census in Louisiana, born in Cuba, and > his two of his siblings also born in Cuba, and a sister Rachel born in Spain > and a mother Amelia born in Spain. There is no husband mentioned in that > household. Might he be your Federico? > > -- www.noesnada.com

As I mentioned, I'm working on the Macarty family, and I have questions about a couple of statements posted by another member of this list: "one of [the Macarty] plantations was involved in the famous slave revolt conspiracy of the early 1800s" and "Augustin de Macarty�s son, Lewis Barthelemy Macarty, served as Secretary of State under Governor Claiborne in 1812." I'm especially interested in the idea that a slave revolt took place on one of the Macarty plantations, because this story keeps cropping up, with the implication that Delphine Macarty Lalaurie's cruelty to her slaves was done in revenge for her mother being killed by her own slaves during this uprising. Presumably the "famous slave revolt" referred to is the one that occurred on January 8, 1811, in St. Charles Parish above New Orleans. The revolt was organized by a mulatto from Saint-Domingue named Charles, slave of the Widow Deslondes, who was employed as a driver on the plantation of Manuel Andry. The Macartys, as far as I know, were not affected by this incident. Delphine's mother, Marie Jeanne Lerable, had died of natural causes on February 26, 1807. I think people may have confused the 1811 slave revolt and the 1807 death of Madame Macarty with the murder of Baptiste C�saire le Breton (husband of Delphine's father's sister Jeanne Fran�oise Macarty), who killed by his s! laves in 1771 on the uptown Macarty plantation that later became the site of the town of Carrollton. Regarding Augustin de Macarty--does the writer refer to Augustin Fran�ois Macarty, who was mayor of New Orleans from 1815-1820, or to his father, Augustin Guillaume Macarty? Augustin Fran�ois had several "natural" children by free women of color, but no "legitimate" children. Louis Barthelemy Macarty was the son of the Chevalier Louis Barthelemy Macarty, and was Delphine Macarty Lalaurie's brother. I believe it was Jean Baptiste Macarty who served as a government official under Claiborne. --- Carolyn Long --- carolynlong@earthlink.net