I have a Charles Eisler in my family tree. Judy Fisher,La. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine Elliott" <Lorraine.Elliott@anu.edu.au> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:46 AM Subject: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call > Trying this again - for some reason the e-mail that circulated back to me > had no content! > > I'm researching the following NO families: > > Direct line > Elliott (from NC/SC/Virginia ... possibly via Ireland?) > Keller (from Bavaria) > Kern (from Bavaria) > > Collateral lines > Morris > Sexton > Schlater > Eisler > Fotta (or Folta?) > Patterson > Sandericker > Dusang > > Thanks > Lorraine (in Australia) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Bridgette, No misunderstanding at all, don't worry about it. I did the same as you, I somehow assumed it would be real easy and it was not. Excel is a problem because not everyone has Excel and if it is done it would need to work for everyone. Excel does make sorting it easy of course. OK NOVA, There should be an easy way to do this and I know several of you are very knowledgeable about computer programs and might know the best way to do this. Ideas anyone? or Maybe we would be better off to just continue with the roll calls as we do them now. Actually, I really enjoy them, looking thru them for names. Sort of like a treasure hunt. So anyone have an idea that might work for us or shall we just stick to the Roll Calls" every so often? Jan -------Original Message------- From: mrszipp Date: 4/6/2008 9:23:01 PM To: Jan Strickland Subject: Re: List Hi Jan, Sorry about the misunderstanding. I never knew that there was an original list, that was started in 2005. I wasn't a member then yet. I just started one on my own and thought perhaps others would like to have one too. I'm not expert with Excel by no means. I can get around a little doing the simple stuff. I've rec'd the list back and haven't forwarded to anyone else yet. It hasn't been as easy as I thought it would be. The only way I could figure out how to make everyone happy is if they couldn't open the file I'd input the information for them. As long as they didn't mind putting their names in order for me. If you don't mind I'd rather leave it up to you on how we should handle this After all, you know how hard it's going to be. Tell me where we should go from here. I'm standing by Thanks Bridgette

Bev, I have one Kern in my line. His name was Victor Kern and married Wilhelmina Heikamp. This marriage was circa 1860 in New Orleans. They had no known children of their own, but raised Wilhelmina's niece and nephew who were orphaned in 1867 when their parents died of Yellow Fever in New Orleans. They moved to Columbus, MS and Wilhelmina and the niece and nephew came back to New Orleans in the 1880's. I know nothing about Victor's parents or siblings or where he was from other than Prussia. Victor Kern age 22 and a Matilda Kern age 23 living with him (possibly a sister) as this is just prior to his marriage to Wilhelmina is in the N.O. 1860 census. Any connections to your Kern? BRANNON CARTER CREWS FAGAN FRENCH FRIEDRICH GAUDET HOOVER JOHNSON KERN MEDLOCK MERMILLION McCARROLL MONOMAT TROTTER Thank you, ~Blessings, Bev in Calif. -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-request@rootsweb.com To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 9:51 pm Subject: LAORLEAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 116 Today's Topics: 1. Translating in General (CFitzp@aol.com) 2. from Pat Pilgrim (Cheramie Breaux) 3. Re: Roll Call (Rikard Hill) 4. Roll Call (Doris Reiner) 5. Re: Roll Call (Anita Curtis) 6. Roll Call (Glodk3man@aol.com) 7. Roll Call (romayor2@aol.com) 8. Roll Call (Ann Maranto) 9. Roll Call - White - Walker (Hayzzee@aol.com) 10. Roll Call (EberbachMA@aol.com) 11. Roll Call (Beverty Morris) 12. Re: Roll Call (B Ware) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:34:04 EDT From: CFitzp@aol.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] Translating in General To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <ca9.216cc2ae.3526a74c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Chamoo and NOVA, If you ever need a rough translation of something try using Alta Vista's Babelfish translator at _http://world.altavista.com/_ (http://world.altavista.com/) It gives you funky grammar sometimes, but you can usually get the gist of the translation. Colleen **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000300000000 16) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:26:42 -0500 From: Cheramie Breaux <chamoo@cox.net> Subject: [LAORLEAN] from Pat Pilgrim To: LAORLEAN@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20080403172623.01bc9bd0@pop.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This list is FABULOUS! And I wish I could tell everyone that. Pat ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:58:13 -0500 From: "Rikard Hill" <rikrikardo1@centurytel.net> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001801c895e6$956833b0$6401a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Marxen, especially Carl R. Marxen Hille Hill Rupp All in New Orleans Rikard Hill In a message dated 4/2/2008 10:46:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mrszipp@cox.net writes: Would everyone on the list be up for a Roll Call? 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(http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000 016) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 20:12:28 -0400 From: "Doris Reiner" <gjreiner@earthlink.net> Subject: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call To: <LAORLEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <00ba01c895e8$91c9c550$0302a8c0@youru10ixi0anw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Schaeffer (Shaffer) ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:18:35 -0500 From: "Anita Curtis" <anitacurtis@surfree.com> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002901c895e9$6cd11720$0f00a8c0@Gateway> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Josef Ordognes 1724 + Manuela Peralta 1728 Emanual Ordonez 1753 + Marie Cecile Daublin 1764 Joseph Nicholas Ordonez 1794 + Felicite Marie Duet 1807 Joseph Nicholas Ordoyne 1824 + Marie Azelie Boudreaux 1824 Joachim Severin Ordoyne 1849 + Eugenie Adelina Panvel 1854 Joseph Terrance Ordoyne 1872 + Emelina or Emilienne Hebert abt 1876* Frozin Joachim Ordoyne 1896 + (Nellie) Bernice Bergeron 1899 Elwin Ordoyne 1923+ Anita Artigues 1928 Francois Andras b. abt 1740 + Ann Marie Portier d. 1827 Henry Andras 1790 + Eurasie Louise Marie Rome 1791 Francois Andras 1826 + Rosalie Susanne Hebert 1831 Emile Hebert abt 1848 + (Louise) Ovilia Andras 1858 *Emilienne Hebert abt 1876 Please contact me off list if you want additional info. If you have anything to add, I'd be most grateful. Anita -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Earleen Bernard Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:09 AM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call Am interested in Ordoyne and Andras falilies. Earleen Bernard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anita Curtis" <anitacurtis@surfree.com> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 7:25 AM Subject: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call > > > Artigues > > Marteau > > Ouilie or Ouillee > > Roi > > Bendish > > Divizich > > Spindler > > Hagmiey or Hannigan or Hennigan > > > > > > Ordoyne > > Panvel > > Hebert > > Andras > > Bergeron > > Saulnier > > Foret or Forest > > Cancienne > > > > Thanks, Anita > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 20:42:12 EDT From: Glodk3man@aol.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c8c.1c269690.3526d364@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi NOVA; This is some of my names Azcona Duffy Gwartney Lotz Zerr Is there any one with the Duffy surname? I have the following. Thomas Henry DUFFY married Ella AZCONA Nov. 26, 1884. I do not know the occupation of Thomas Henry DUFFY or when he died. In the 1900 census Ella was a widow. There were two children Charlotte Gertrude DUFFY my grandmother Matteo Charles DUFFY he married Laura Leibe June 28, 1911. They had three children. Ruth Lee DUFFY Died young Arthur DUFFY married Margaret Van Manon they had the following children. Arthur died Oct. 29, 1848 Wauita DUFFY Matteo DUFFY Patrick DUFFY Penelope DUFFY Gloria T. in Pensacola, FL **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000300000000 16) ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:50:53 -0400 From: romayor2@aol.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CA640511F68E47-13C-3114@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Haas Wahl Rinehart Peterson Gerber Brooks Jan in S.E. TX ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:58:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Maranto <annmaranto@yahoo.com> Subject: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <378348.43798.qm@web51608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Here are a few of my roll call names. McKigney Eilers Rasch Nungesser Bayard Fossier Montamat Maranto LaGleize Hiriart Brick Walls: George McKigney - possibly from NY Emma ? McKigney- bn LA abt 1851 Francis Reissland Lizzie Propp Rosa Reissland For Dale Boudreaux - I have in my line a Margaretha Fischer married to Jacob Nungesser both born abt 1803/04 in Germany For Emily Wise - I have in my line a Mary Anna Frey married to Jacob Nungesser fFor Carol Hustus: My husband has in his line Anaise Cavalier married to Emile Fossier his great grand parents. --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 21:08:52 EDT From: Hayzzee@aol.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call - White - Walker To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c6d.25539068.3526d9a4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Ferdinand White born about 1865 Natchez, MS parents unknown lived and worked for J.F.H. Claiborne and Martha Dunbar Claiborne from about 1870-1890 with brother Fred and sister Alice. Married Anna Walker 1891 - moved to New Orleans, LA about 1904, died 1937 accident Illinois Central Railroad, New Orleans, LA Anna (Hannah-Bona) Walker born about 1875 Natchez, MS parents George and Caroline Lee Walker born about 1849 on Dunbarton Plantation in Natchez, MS. Married Ferdinand White 1891 - moved to New Orleans, LA about 1904, died 1957, New Orleans, LA Children- Ernestine b1892 - Ferdinand Jr. b1894 - George b1896 - Desiree b1901 Natchez, MS William Earl b1904 - Frederick b1905 - New Orleans, LA Debra White Hayes ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000300000000 16) ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 22:01:43 EDT From: EberbachMA@aol.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call To: LAORLEAN@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c68.27364fea.3526e607@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" My one and only known NO area name is HANAFIN. They came from Ireland, probably Kerry, about 1835 and had a son James, born 1839 or 1841. Supposedly he was orphaned and went out on his own and showed up in IL in 1860 working as a farm hand. Legend has it that he lived with his mother's sister's family, name unknown. Any help appreciated. MaryAnn EberbachMA@aol.com **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000300000000 16) ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:35:30 -0700 From: "Beverty Morris" <bevart@frontiernet.net> Subject: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <00f401c895fc$8ceb57b0$01fea8c0@BEVERLY> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" BRANNON CARTER CREWS FAGAN FRENCH FRIEDRICH GAUDET HOOVER JOHNSON KERN MEDLOCK MERMILLION McCARROLL MONOMAT TROTTER Thank you, ~Blessings, Bev in Calif. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:50:30 -0700 (PDT) From: B Ware <grumpysmom@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <193135.50922.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Still seeking info. on : Fleming Ware Martel Rupp Landry Hassinger Dorr Buxton Pansano Thanks for starting this list...I am also looking for others but away from my computer at the time...will get back with others later...thanks. ------------------------------ To contact the LAORLEAN list administrator, send an email to LAORLEAN-admin@rootsweb.com. 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I am researching the following names Penny BETHANCOURT and CALCINES Canary Islands to Louisiana, particularly St John the Baptist and Orleans Parishes spouses-- Marie Celina Mury, Rosalie Duhé, Remondet family, Aimée Coralie Tassin, Antoine Rivas, Pedro Ruiz, Marie Eulalie Hymel, Anne Barbe Alexander, Antoinette and Emily Durgin, Catherine Victoire Pellebon BERNARD France to Canada to Louisiana (Southwest parishes) connected families -- Dugas, Nezat, Gauthier Gillard, Lacour, Robin, Neraut, Broussard, Sudrique, Hebert, Picou, Angelle, Quebedeaux CONROY, SARAH M. born Manchester, England of Irish parents from Queens County --raised Dublin,Ireland--USA at 12 in 1853--in New Orleans until about 1890 and then in Houston, Texas until she died in 1922 DUGGAN, WILLIAM Belfast, Ireland to USA age of 12--died New Orleans 1875 (and I would like to know how he got here too) DELERY (Chauvin Delery) France to Canada to Louisiana (particularly Jefferson Parish) connected families -- Boutté, St Pé, Lange, Amy, Esneault, Duhé ROBICHAUX France to Canada to Louisiana (particularly Lafourche to Jefferson Parish) connected families -- C. M. Blanchard, Babin, Toups, Usé (Uzee), Grabert, Gaudet, Rivet, Maillet, Hebert

Irwin George KERN World War I Draft Registration Card, New Orleans, LA, dated Sep 12, 1918: Irwin George Kern; Address 1340 Camp, New Orleans, LA; Age 19; Birth Aug 19, 1899; Occupation clerk, New Orleans National Bank, Camp and Common, New Orleans, LA; Nearest Relative father Chas B. Kern, 1340 Camp, New Orleans, LA; /s/ Irwin George Kern; height medium; build stout; eyes and hair brown Social Security Death Index: Irwin Kerr; Birth 19 Aug 1899; Death 19 Sep 1996; Last Residence 20910 Silver Springs, Montgomery Co., MD; SS No. 433-24-5632 issued Louisiana Nothing found to further identify him in the census records. Married: (after 1930) Louise C. CREWS, born Louisiana (brother born 1902, New Iberia, Iberia Parish) Social Security Death Index: Louise C. Kern; Birth 22 May 1911; Death 22 Feb 1993; Last Residence 20901 Silver Springs, Montgomery Co., MD; SS No. 434-01-2776 issued Louisiana Irwin George KERN's siblings: Charles F., b. 16 Dec 1888, New Orleans Lawrence Jefferson, b. 23 Apr 1890, N.O. Albert John, b. 29 Apr 1894, N.O. Clinton Henry, b. 21 Aug 1895, N.O. Anna Adele, b. 30 Jun 1898, N.O. Beryl, b. abt. 1904, LA Eloise, b. abt. 1909, LA (might be others; haven't looked on later census records) As you can see, there's no connection that I know of. If you find one, let me know. Thanks.... Bev From: <akborde@aol.com> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] LAORLEAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 116 > Bev, > I have one Kern in my line. His name was Victor Kern and married > Wilhelmina Heikamp. This marriage was circa 1860 in New Orleans. They > had no known children of their own, but raised Wilhelmina's niece and > nephew who were orphaned in 1867 when their parents died of Yellow > Fever in New Orleans. They moved to Columbus, MS and Wilhelmina and > the niece and nephew came back to New Orleans in the 1880's. I know > nothing about Victor's parents or siblings or where he was from other > than Prussia. Victor Kern age 22 and a Matilda Kern age 23 living with > him (possibly a sister) as this is just prior to his marriage to > Wilhelmina is in the N.O. 1860 census. Any connections to your Kern? > > BRANNON > CARTER > CREWS > FAGAN > FRENCH > FRIEDRICH > GAUDET > HOOVER > JOHNSON > KERN > MEDLOCK > MERMILLION > McCARROLL > MONAMAT > TROTTER > Thank you,> ~Blessings, Bev in Calif.

The same story, almost verbatim, is found in "Strange True Stories of Louisiana" by George W. Cable (pub. in 1890), in the chapter "The Haunted House on Royal Street." Sue **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)

Herbert Asbury, like Robert Tallant (author of Voodoo in New Orleans), and several other "popular historians" of the 20th century, is one of the writers you REALLY have to watch out for. These people would collect a lot of newspaper articles and second-hand stories, cobble them together, and present them in highly readable style as the truth. In the case of Delphine Macarty Lalaurie, a fair amount of this actually IS turning out to be true. But one needs to always question, and always go into the archives for proof. --- Carolyn Long --- carolynlong@earthlink.net

The names I am researching are: Bienvenu Cuvillier Delaforest Laforest Cazeau Andras Mazange Loubi Gueno Nicollet Vogelsang from Merzen, Hanover, Germany Vonderhaar, Haargrafen, Haarjohan from Merzen, Hanover, Germany Hemmelgarn from Vinte, Neuenkirchen im Hulsen, Germany Brinkmann from Vinte, Neuenkirchen im Hulsen, Germany Overbeck from Vinte, Neuenkirchen im Hulsen, Germany Flettrich from Heppenheim, Hesse Darmstadt, Germany Zaehlke from Germany Larkins/Laskins from Ireland Ragondet from Paris, France Lefebure from Alsace Pauly/Pales/Pauli from France Newman Lorentz Caldwell Walker Bennett from Sweden Devuyst from Belgium Please contact me at peg3712@bellsouth.net

Yes, I know about his writing. He has one instance of a so-called mutiny in which he claims bot of the men executed were mutineers. One was only a freed prisoner who was forced to serve as guide for the actual mutineers, but he was executed, anyway. Let's just say that I have a particular interest in that particular execution. I don't have the book, but I copied the pertinent stuff out of it. Rita http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WestBankGenealogySociety Click "join this group" to set up your ID and password, then sign in each time you visit. --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.

Jan please put me on the spreadsheet list. Patrice Wilson Patrice.wilson@comcast.net On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 7:23 pm, laorlean-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Sound-alike names (ctregre7@cox.net) > 2. Re: Spreadsheet (Steven Floyd) > 3. Re: Sound-alike names (Cheramie Breaux) > 4. Re: Spreadsheet (Jan Strickland) > 5. Re: roll call (romayor2@aol.com) > 6. Re: roll call (Jan Strickland) > 7. Re: Sound-alike names (Emily Wise) > 8. Re: McCarty Plantation: Carolyn (Carolyn Long) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:13:30 -0400 > From: <ctregre7@cox.net> > Subject: [LAORLEAN] Sound-alike names > To: ZORLEANS MESSAGE BD <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <20080406171330.EITKO.31021.imail@eastrmwml06> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > We have often spoken on this list about the mistakes in spelling we > find in Census records, birth certificates, death certificates, etc. > > I have an ancestor whose surname I find spelled Ziffle. I have > suspected for a long time that this is a phonetic spelling. > Unfortunately, as I say the name over and over, I think of all kinds of > ways to spell that name. > > Recently Craig Borne said that he found his ancestor Bridgett's name > recorded as Richard. You know how Orleanians speak; a true Yat would > pronounce that Rich-it (which sounds exactly like Bridgett). > > I know that lots of the names we see in research are the same sort of > thing--where what I said is not what your ear heard. > > I ahved giggling to myself ever since Craig posted that information. > > Everyone here has a story similar to this one--where an ancestor's name > is garbled. > > Carolyn Tregre > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 16:09:49 -0500 > From: "Steven Floyd" <gandalf@interconnect.net> > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Spreadsheet > To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <FDF60D1F8C82482BBFF0A86BEA4B586B@StevenFloydPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Please include me as well. > > Steven Floyd > Gandalf@interconnect.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Rita > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 2:42 PM > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LAORLEAN] Spreadsheet > > Hey Jan > > Please put me on the spreadsheet list! Thanks! > > > > Rita > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WestBankGenealogySociety > Click "join this group" to set up your ID and password, then sign in > each > time you visit. > > --------------------------------- > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of > Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:25:32 -0500 > From: Cheramie Breaux <chamoo@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Sound-alike names > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20080406162431.030690b0@pop.east.cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > After searching for YEARS and YEARS for a marriage between Joseph > Martin > and Ellen Fitzsimmons, I found Ellen Fesimens...say it. :>) > > > > At 05:13 PM 4/6/2008 -0400, you wrote: >> We have often spoken on this list about the mistakes in spelling we >> find >> in Census records, birth certificates, death certificates, etc. >> >> I have an ancestor whose surname I find spelled Ziffle. I have >> suspected >> for a long time that this is a phonetic spelling. Unfortunately, as I >> say >> the name over and over, I think of all kinds of ways to spell that >> name. >> >> Recently Craig Borne said that he found his ancestor Bridgett's name >> recorded as Richard. You know how Orleanians speak; a true Yat would >> pronounce that Rich-it (which sounds exactly like Bridgett). >> >> I know that lots of the names we see in research are the same sort of >> thing--where what I said is not what your ear heard. >> >> I ahved giggling to myself ever since Craig posted that information. >> >> Everyone here has a story similar to this one--where an ancestor's >> name is >> garbled. >> >> Carolyn Tregre >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: >> 4/6/2008 >> 11:12 AM > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:57:17 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) > From: "Jan Strickland" <jans884@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Spreadsheet > To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <47F9473D.000044.01996@JAN> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > just updated my info on the old list from Jul2005 and sent it to > Bridgette. > Also it is saved as Excel97. > > Jan S - Orlando, FL > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Steven Floyd > Date: 4/6/2008 5:16:16 PM > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Spreadsheet > > Please include me as well. > > Steven Floyd > Gandalf@interconnect.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Rita > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 2:42 PM > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LAORLEAN] Spreadsheet > > Hey Jan > > Please put me on the spreadsheet list! Thanks! > > > > Rita > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WestBankGenealogySociety > Click "join this group" to set up your ID and password, then sign in > each > time you visit. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 18:41:23 -0400 > From: romayor2@aol.com > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CA664E79B2056E-1328-5900@mblk-d28.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Jan,? I feel so much better,? I thought I had OTD. > > Jan in S.E. TX > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Strickland <jans884@bellsouth.net> > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 2:33 pm > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call > > > > Linda, > > Sure has been a while since anyone called me "wonderful person", but > that > excel sheet was done by me. In fact I probably still have it and would > be glad to share it. It was quite an undertaking. Would sure be glad > to send it to anyone interested in updating it. It would be a great > idea > to pass it to everyone and let each person update their own info. > That's > about the only way to get it done easily. Sending it out to everyone > will > make it hard to work up and we would be right back to one person trying > to add everyones info. > > Jan S - Orlando, FL > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Linda Dean > Date: 4/6/2008 12:44:45 PM > To: peggy; laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call > > Yes, July of 2005 some wonderful person on our list, put this into an > excel > doc. I don't remember who did it, but I am sure it was a lot of work. > It > included the surname, submitter and their email address. Would be a > huge > job to keep updated, with new additions and changes in email addresses. > To > give you an idea of the extendt, the list was 2293 surnames! > > Linda Dean > > On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 8:49 AM, peggy <rooneytoon29@earthlink.net> > wrote: > >> >> I have an Excel spreadsheet that was done in July 2005. I'm not sure, >> but >> I think Cat posted it on her web site. It lists the surnames being >> researched, the person/persons researching them and their e-mail > address(s). >> >> peggy >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: romayor2@aol.com >> >Sent: Apr 6, 2008 8:13 AM >> >To: laorlean@rootsweb.com >> >Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call >> > >> >I thought this was talked about several years ago.? Does anyone >> remember?? >> > >> >Jan in SE TX >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: RHB <bennettrh@earthlink.net> >> >To: laorlean@rootsweb.com >> >Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 12:40 pm >> >Subject: [LAORLEAN] roll call >> > >> > >> > >> >It would be nice if someone "out there" who is handy with formatting >> >spread sheets could make a list of everyone who has submitted these >> >names, arrange us and our names alphabetically and then post it >> >somewhere... do we have an LAORLEAN website somewhere [Ancestry? >> >Myfamily?].... that way it would be easy to read and readily >> available. >> >Or save as a pdf formatted document which could be mailed out upon >> request. >> > >> >Or maybe someone might have a better idea of how to record and store >> all >> >our names.... >> > >> >Renee >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 18:47:37 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) > From: "Jan Strickland" <jans884@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call > To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <47F95309.00000D.02628@JAN> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Jan, I always heard it called CRS. You're fine. > > You are not loosing your mind, just getting a bit older. LOL > > Jan S - Orlando, FL > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: romayor2@aol.com > Date: 4/6/2008 6:42:21 PM > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call > > Jan,? I feel so much better,? I thought I had OTD. > > Jan in S.E. TX > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Strickland <jans884@bellsouth.net> > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 2:33 pm > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call > > > > Linda, > > Sure has been a while since anyone called me "wonderful person", but > that > excel sheet was done by me. In fact I probably still have it and would > be glad to share it. It was quite an undertaking. Would sure be glad > to send it to anyone interested in updating it. It would be a great > idea > to pass it to everyone and let each person update their own info. > That's > about the only way to get it done easily. Sending it out to everyone > will > make it hard to work up and we would be right back to one person trying > to add everyones info. > > Jan S - Orlando, FL > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Linda Dean > Date: 4/6/2008 12:44:45 PM > To: peggy; laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call > > Yes, July of 2005 some wonderful person on our list, put this into an > excel > doc. I don't remember who did it, but I am sure it was a lot of work. > It > included the surname, submitter and their email address. Would be a > huge > job to keep updated, with new additions and changes in email addresses. > To > give you an idea of the extendt, the list was 2293 surnames! > > Linda Dean > > On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 8:49 AM, peggy <rooneytoon29@earthlink.net> > wrote: > >> >> I have an Excel spreadsheet that was done in July 2005. I'm not sure, >> but >> I think Cat posted it on her web site. It lists the surnames being >> researched, the person/persons researching them and their e-mail > address(s). >> >> peggy >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: romayor2@aol.com >> >Sent: Apr 6, 2008 8:13 AM >> >To: laorlean@rootsweb.com >> >Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call >> > >> >I thought this was talked about several years ago.? Does anyone >> remember?? >> > >> >Jan in SE TX >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: RHB <bennettrh@earthlink.net> >> >To: laorlean@rootsweb.com >> >Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 12:40 pm >> >Subject: [LAORLEAN] roll call >> > >> > >> > >> >It would be nice if someone "out there" who is handy with formatting >> >spread sheets could make a list of everyone who has submitted these >> >names, arrange us and our names alphabetically and then post it >> >somewhere... do we have an LAORLEAN website somewhere [Ancestry? >> >Myfamily?].... that way it would be easy to read and readily >> available. >> >Or save as a pdf formatted document which could be mailed out upon >> request. >> > >> >Or maybe someone might have a better idea of how to record and store >> all >> >our names.... >> > >> >Renee >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 18:58:47 -0500 > From: "Emily Wise" <ewise49215@charter.net> > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Sound-alike names > To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000301c89842$27c451a0$39e1834b@00000525682cf4> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi Carolyn, > > My great grandmother?s name was Barbara Ziefle from Baiersbronn, > W?rttemberg, Germany. I have found this name spelled many different > ways, > including Ziffle. Her father spelled his name Ziflen. I believe the > German > spelling would be Ziiflen. > > My great grandmother married Christian Hamann in New Orleans and had > many > children. She also had at least one sister in New Orleans. Her name was > Justinia Catherina Ziefle Bundy. > > Most of that family lived in Mechanickham, across the river. There was > also > a half brother named Tobias Eberhardt. > > Would you please let me know something about your Ziffle? > > Thanks, > > Emily------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: > 4/6/2008 > 11:12 AM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of ctregre7@cox.net > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 4:14 PM > To: ZORLEANS MESSAGE BD > Subject: [LAORLEAN] Sound-alike names > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 20:22:06 -0400 > From: "Carolyn Long" <carolynlong@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] McCarty Plantation: Carolyn > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <410-220084170226460@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > A piece of advice that many of you already know, and I don't mean to > preach, but don't believe everything you read on the web or even in a > serious history book. Once something, true or not, appears in print it > is > accepted as truth, and gets repeated over and over. If you can possibly > find them, ALWAYS use primary documents: notarial acts, sacramental > acts of > baptisms, marriages, and funerals, civil records of births, marriages, > and > deaths, court cases, wills, successions, etc. > > A case in point is the web address > http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=755&p=surnames.lopez > cited > below. This thing is riddled with mistakes. I've put the corrections in > brackets: > > Jose [his name was Ramon] Lopez y Angulo first married another Spaniard > whose last name was DE BORJA DE ENDERIS [Borja was her first name]. > Upon > her death, he remarried, in his 50s [he was 35], a free woman of colour > from New Orleans (he was in New Orleans at the time representing the > Spanish Royal Order) named Mademoiselle MACARTY [he married Delphine > Macarty, who was not a woman of color]. She was the daughter of a > military > official herself, Louis Barthelemy Chevalier DE MACARTY, a white > French-Creole born in New Orleans of noble blood and a free mulatresse > named Marie-Jeanne L'ERABLE [Delphine's mother was not a mulatress]. > > The two [Delphine and Ramon] bore one daughter, born in Cuba around > 1800 > [early 1805], named Maria Francisca de Candelaria de BORJA LOPEZ Y > ANGULO, > a free Octoroon (not sure what the Spanish distinguished her colour > as)[this child, like her parents, was white; her name was Maria > Francisca > Borja Lopez y Angulo de Candelaria, and she was called Borja--yes, same > as > her father's first wife]. The family returned to New Orleans shortly > thereafter [Ramon did not return to New Orleans, he died in Cuba], > where > Francisca [Borja] married twice, first to Francois Placide FORSTAL, a > white > French-Creole aristocrat, and secondly to Jean BLANQUE, an emigre of > France.[Borja indeed married Placide Forstall, but it was her mother, > Delphine, who married Jean Blanque after her first husband, Lopez y > Angulo, > died] > > I tried all the links cited below, and I don't find anything about a > slave > revolt conspiracy on the Bellechasse, Castantato, Mccarty, Lanusse and > Bienville plantations that was discovered before the revolt took place. > I > really need to track down the source of this in order to prove or > disprove > the persistant story that Delphine Macarty Lalaurie's mother was killed > by > slaves. > > I'm afraid I'm boring the rest of the list with this, so please contact > me > offline (carolynlong@earthlink.net). > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Nancy <nancybrister621@bellsouth.net> >> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> >> Date: 04/06/2008 4:23:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] McCarty Plantation: Carolyn >> >> Hi Carolyn, >> I believe the links I included in my message for Julie have the > answers to >> your questions, but, about the slave revolt and Madam Lalaurie's >> slaves, > I tried >> to phrase it in a way so that readers would know the list I put forth >> was > a list >> of unrelated events and realize I intended no connection. Sometimes I > tend to >> over-explain...and it's worse than under-explaining. :-) >> The "slave revolt conspiracy" I mentioned, was a conspiracy only, > because >> the plot was discovered before the revolt took place, so I gather that >> it was probably neither of the revolts you named. I read that several >> plantations had slaves who were a part of this particular conspiracy: >> Bellechasse, Castantato, Mccarty, Laneusse and Bienville plantations. >> But, I've just started researching this family for a page on the >> Old New Orleans site, and I don't have as much knowledge about the >> family > as >> someone who's been doing indepth research on it for a family tree, so >> I > didn't >> know about the revolt and its rumored connection to Madame Lalaurie. >> I > mentioned >> Madame Lalaurie on this list of "notables" only because she was a >> member > of the >> Macarty family. >> I'm sorry I didn't do a good job of explaining the two Augustin's, >> but > the >> answer to your questions about both can be found here on the NOPL >> site: >> http://nutrias.org/info/louinfo/admins/macarty.htm >> Here are all of the links I included, so Julie and others could >> read > more of >> what I've found, so far: >> http://nutrias.org/info/louinfo/admins/macarty.htm >> http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=755&p=surnames.lopez >> http://www.metairie.com/history/racetrack.htm >> http://www.nola.com/forums/townhall/index.ssf?artid=234341 >> I hope this helps clear everything up! >> Nancy >> >> Nancy >> http://www.thepastwhispers.com/Old_New_Orleans.html >> >> >> Original message from "Carolyn Long" <carolynlong@earthlink.net>: >> >> > As I mentioned, I'm working on the Macarty family, and I have > questions about >> a >> > couple of statements posted by another member of this list: "one >> of > [the >> > Macarty] plantations was involved in the famous slave revolt > conspiracy of >> the >> > early 1800s" and "Augustin de Macarty’s son, Lewis Barthelemy > Macarty, served >> as >> > Secretary of State under Governor Claiborne in 1812." >> > >> > I'm especially interested in the idea that a slave revolt took >> place > on one >> of >> > the Macarty plantations, because this story keeps cropping up, >> with > the >> > implication that Delphine Macarty Lalaurie's cruelty to her slaves > was done >> in >> > revenge for her mother being killed by her own slaves during this > uprising. >> > Presumably the "famous slave revolt" referred to is the one that > occurred on >> > January 8, 1811, in St. Charles Parish above New Orleans. The >> revolt > was >> > organized by a mulatto from Saint-Domingue named Charles, slave of > the Widow >> > Deslondes, who was employed as a driver on the plantation of >> Manuel > Andry. >> The >> > Macartys, as far as I know, were not affected by this incident. > Delphine's >> > mother, Marie Jeanne Lerable, had died of natural causes on >> February > 26, >> 1807. I >> > think people may have confused the 1811 slave revolt and the 1807 > death of >> > Madame Macarty with the murder of Baptiste Césaire le Breton >> (husband > of >> > Delphine's father's sister Jeanne Françoise Macarty), who killed >> by > his s! >> > laves in 1771 on the uptown Macarty plantation that later became >> the > site of >> > the town of Carrollton. >> > >> > Regarding Augustin de Macarty--does the writer refer to Augustin > François >> > Macarty, who was mayor of New Orleans from 1815-1820, or to his > father, >> Augustin >> > Guillaume Macarty? Augustin François had several "natural" >> children > by free >> > women of color, but no "legitimate" children. Louis Barthelemy > Macarty was >> the >> > son of the Chevalier Louis Barthelemy Macarty, and was Delphine > Macarty >> > Lalaurie's brother. I believe it was Jean Baptiste Macarty who >> served > as a >> > government official under Claiborne. >> > >> > >> > --- Carolyn Long --- carolynlong@earthlink.net >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: > 04/06/2008 11:12 AM > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LAORLEAN list administrator, send an email to > LAORLEAN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the LAORLEAN mailing list, send an email to > LAORLEAN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LAORLEAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 136 > **************************************** Pat Wilson

A piece of advice that many of you already know, and I don't mean to preach, but don't believe everything you read on the web or even in a serious history book. Once something, true or not, appears in print it is accepted as truth, and gets repeated over and over. If you can possibly find them, ALWAYS use primary documents: notarial acts, sacramental acts of baptisms, marriages, and funerals, civil records of births, marriages, and deaths, court cases, wills, successions, etc. A case in point is the web address http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=755&p=surnames.lopez cited below. This thing is riddled with mistakes. I've put the corrections in brackets: Jose [his name was Ramon] Lopez y Angulo first married another Spaniard whose last name was DE BORJA DE ENDERIS [Borja was her first name]. Upon her death, he remarried, in his 50s [he was 35], a free woman of colour from New Orleans (he was in New Orleans at the time representing the Spanish Royal Order) named Mademoiselle MACARTY [he married Delphine Macarty, who was not a woman of color]. She was the daughter of a military official herself, Louis Barthelemy Chevalier DE MACARTY, a white French-Creole born in New Orleans of noble blood and a free mulatresse named Marie-Jeanne L'ERABLE [Delphine's mother was not a mulatress]. The two [Delphine and Ramon] bore one daughter, born in Cuba around 1800 [early 1805], named Maria Francisca de Candelaria de BORJA LOPEZ Y ANGULO, a free Octoroon (not sure what the Spanish distinguished her colour as)[this child, like her parents, was white; her name was Maria Francisca Borja Lopez y Angulo de Candelaria, and she was called Borja--yes, same as her father's first wife]. The family returned to New Orleans shortly thereafter [Ramon did not return to New Orleans, he died in Cuba], where Francisca [Borja] married twice, first to Francois Placide FORSTAL, a white French-Creole aristocrat, and secondly to Jean BLANQUE, an emigre of France.[Borja indeed married Placide Forstall, but it was her mother, Delphine, who married Jean Blanque after her first husband, Lopez y Angulo, died] I tried all the links cited below, and I don't find anything about a slave revolt conspiracy on the Bellechasse, Castantato, Mccarty, Lanusse and Bienville plantations that was discovered before the revolt took place. I really need to track down the source of this in order to prove or disprove the persistant story that Delphine Macarty Lalaurie's mother was killed by slaves. I'm afraid I'm boring the rest of the list with this, so please contact me offline (carolynlong@earthlink.net). > [Original Message] > From: Nancy <nancybrister621@bellsouth.net> > To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Date: 04/06/2008 4:23:34 PM > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] McCarty Plantation: Carolyn > > Hi Carolyn, > I believe the links I included in my message for Julie have the answers to > your questions, but, about the slave revolt and Madam Lalaurie's slaves, I tried > to phrase it in a way so that readers would know the list I put forth was a list > of unrelated events and realize I intended no connection. Sometimes I tend to > over-explain...and it's worse than under-explaining. :-) > The "slave revolt conspiracy" I mentioned, was a conspiracy only, because > the plot was discovered before the revolt took place, so I gather that > it was probably neither of the revolts you named. I read that several > plantations had slaves who were a part of this particular conspiracy: > Bellechasse, Castantato, Mccarty, Laneusse and Bienville plantations. > But, I've just started researching this family for a page on the > Old New Orleans site, and I don't have as much knowledge about the family as > someone who's been doing indepth research on it for a family tree, so I didn't > know about the revolt and its rumored connection to Madame Lalaurie. I mentioned > Madame Lalaurie on this list of "notables" only because she was a member of the > Macarty family. > I'm sorry I didn't do a good job of explaining the two Augustin's, but the > answer to your questions about both can be found here on the NOPL site: > http://nutrias.org/info/louinfo/admins/macarty.htm > Here are all of the links I included, so Julie and others could read more of > what I've found, so far: > http://nutrias.org/info/louinfo/admins/macarty.htm > http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=755&p=surnames.lopez > http://www.metairie.com/history/racetrack.htm > http://www.nola.com/forums/townhall/index.ssf?artid=234341 > I hope this helps clear everything up! > Nancy > > Nancy > http://www.thepastwhispers.com/Old_New_Orleans.html > > > Original message from "Carolyn Long" <carolynlong@earthlink.net>: > > > As I mentioned, I'm working on the Macarty family, and I have questions about > a > > couple of statements posted by another member of this list: "one of [the > > Macarty] plantations was involved in the famous slave revolt conspiracy of > the > > early 1800s" and "Augustin de Macarty�s son, Lewis Barthelemy Macarty, served > as > > Secretary of State under Governor Claiborne in 1812." > > > > I'm especially interested in the idea that a slave revolt took place on one > of > > the Macarty plantations, because this story keeps cropping up, with the > > implication that Delphine Macarty Lalaurie's cruelty to her slaves was done > in > > revenge for her mother being killed by her own slaves during this uprising. > > Presumably the "famous slave revolt" referred to is the one that occurred on > > January 8, 1811, in St. Charles Parish above New Orleans. The revolt was > > organized by a mulatto from Saint-Domingue named Charles, slave of the Widow > > Deslondes, who was employed as a driver on the plantation of Manuel Andry. > The > > Macartys, as far as I know, were not affected by this incident. Delphine's > > mother, Marie Jeanne Lerable, had died of natural causes on February 26, > 1807. I > > think people may have confused the 1811 slave revolt and the 1807 death of > > Madame Macarty with the murder of Baptiste C�saire le Breton (husband of > > Delphine's father's sister Jeanne Fran�oise Macarty), who killed by his s! > > laves in 1771 on the uptown Macarty plantation that later became the site of > > the town of Carrollton. > > > > Regarding Augustin de Macarty--does the writer refer to Augustin Fran�ois > > Macarty, who was mayor of New Orleans from 1815-1820, or to his father, > Augustin > > Guillaume Macarty? Augustin Fran�ois had several "natural" children by free > > women of color, but no "legitimate" children. Louis Barthelemy Macarty was > the > > son of the Chevalier Louis Barthelemy Macarty, and was Delphine Macarty > > Lalaurie's brother. I believe it was Jean Baptiste Macarty who served as a > > government official under Claiborne. > > > > > > --- Carolyn Long --- carolynlong@earthlink.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 04/06/2008 11:12 AM

After all the conversations concerning the McCarty's I realized that I had heard of them before. This is copied from "The French Quarter" by Herbert Asbury. It is quite a story, but not for the squeamish! Penny T "There were a few slave-owners in early New Orleans who consistently refused to permit their black people to attend the gatherings in Congo Square, and one of them was Madame Delphine Lalaurie, the wife of Dr. Louis Lalaurie, whose mansion at Royal and Hospital Streets was one of the most magnificent in the city. Madame Lalaurie's slaves,in fact, with the exception of a sleek, handsome mulatto who was her butler and coachman, were seldom seen in public at all, and when they did appear, even her friends remarked that they looked cowed and beaten and were thin to the point of emancipation. The mulatto butler, however, was always plump and well fed; he was clearly Madame Lalaurie's favorite. Later it was hinted that his position in the household was even higher than that of a trusted servant. It seems that it should have been obvious even to the obtuse white officials that there was something queer about the Lalauries, but the dancers of Congo Square, among whom ran swift undercurrents of gossip and information, knew of the extraordinary happenings in the Royal Street mansion long before they came to the knowledge of the authorities, or at any rate before the authorities dared take any action. For Madame Lalaurie was a McCarty, a member of a very powerful New Orleans family, and herself so prominent in society that when Lafayette visited the city in 1825 she entertained him at dinner. she was famous throughout Louisiana as a charming and gracious hostess, and is said to have been one of the most beautiful women of the New Orleans of her time. Her husband -- he was her third -- was a meek, mousy little man, wholly under her domination. and so were her two daughters, one of whom was a cripple. This bewitching and engaging creature, who entertained the great of New Orleans at her sumptuous table and fascinated her guests by the brilliance of her wit, in reality had the heart of a sadistic demon and was unquestionably mad. A little of the truth about Madame Lalaurie became known about the beginning of 1833, when a neighbor, a woman, described to the police what she had seen on a moonlight night a few days before. She was looking out of her window, she said, when a little negro girl ran screaming out of the Lalaurie mansion into the courtyard, followed by Madame Lalaurie lashing her savagely with a heavy whip. The child made the circuit of the courtyard and then fled back into the house, pursued by Madame Lalaurie, and the neighbor heard them as they ran through the house, the sounds of shrieks and pattering footsteps punctuated by the crack of the whip-lash as it found its mark. Presently they appeared on the roof, and the child, beaten to the eaves by a rain of blows, leaped wildly into space and shattered her body upon the flagstones of the courtyard. The police found the broken corpse at the bottom of an old well on the Lalaurie premises, and Madame Lalaurie was summoned to court, where she was fined and all her slaves taken from her. But the confiscated Negroes, when sold by the Sheriff at public auction, were bought by Madame Lalauries relatives and immediately returned to her. she resumed her sadistic cruelties and practiced them without restraint or interference until April 10, 1834. On the morning of that day fire broke out in the Lalaurie mansion. It spread rapidly, and within a few minutes the main part of the house was filled with smoke, and streamers of flame were darting from the windows. The alarm bell was rung, and a large crowd began to gather, while the firemen hurried to the scene with their buckets and primitive fire-engines. Neighbors and friends of the Lalauries rushed into the house and began to carry out the furniture, while Madame Lalaurie calmly pointed out the pieces she wished saved. Several men, headed by Judge J. F. Canonge of the Criminal Court, went into the kitchen where they found Madame Lalaurie's cook, a seventy-year-old Negress, kneeling in the center of the room, manacled to the end of a twenty foot chain. The links where broken and the slave carried to the street, and Judge Canonge asked De Lalaurie if there were any more slaves in the house who might be in danger from the fire. Dr. Lalaurie suggested "in insulting tones" that Judge Canonge mind his own business. Meanwhile the cook, who later confessed that she had fired the house, preferring death to Madame Lalaurie's cruelty, had told police that other slaves were confined in the garret. Judge Canoge and Felix Lefebvre, with several men, started upstairs, smashing several locked doors which barred the way. When they reached the attic, they found seven slaves, four men and three women. All were naked and laden with heavy chains riveted to iron bands fastened about their necks, waists, and ankles. In addition, two wore iron collars with sharp edges and studded with spikes which had caused horrible wounds. Several were manacled in positions which had crippled them for life. The floor of the attic was littered with instruments of torture, sufficiently numerous to cover a long table when they were displayed later in the courtyard of the calaboose. One by one the slaves were led or carried into the street. The crowd pressed food upon them when they said they had not eaten for a week, and two ate and died; the others were taken to the calaboose, where they were attended by physicians. when they were well enough, they talked. some of them had been chained in the attic for five months; others for shorter periods. Daily, and sometimes oftener, Madame Lalaurie came into the attic and beat them with iron bars and heavy whips, or gouged their flesh with sharp instruments. Frequently she was accompanied by the mulatto butler, who wielded the whip and otherwise assisted in the torture while she watched in ecstasy. By the time the last of the manacled slaves had been rescued, the fire was extinguished and the furniture carried back into the house. More than two thousand persons were now gathered before the mansion, and they waited patiently, expecting the police or soldiers to appear and take the Lalauries away to prison. But nothing happened. Hours passed, and still there was no indication that the city intended to d anything about the situation that had been exposed. Dr. Lalaurie had vanished, but through the windows the crowd could see Madame Lalaurie as she moved about, chatting with friends and directing the replacing of furniture. Late in the afternoon, just before dusk, angry murmurs began to arise from the crowd, whereupon the mulatto butler promptly closed and barred the heavy door of the house and the iron gates of the courtyard. angered, the crowd now became a vengeful mob, milled uncertainly for a few moments, and then swayed forward, battering vainly upon the stone walls of the building. But the men in the front ranks fell back as the gates were suddenly flung open, and a carriage emerged from the courtyard, drawn by a team of black horses at a plunging gallop. On the box was the mulatto, lashing with his whip the frantic horses and the faces of the men who clutched vainly at the rocking carriage, while crouched in the back seat was the veiled figure of Madame Lalaurie. The carriage moved swiftly up Hospital Street and turned into Bayou Road -- Madame Lalaurie was gone. Several hundred men streamed down the road, yelling and cursing, but the remainder of the mob turned its attention to the house. the doors and windows were quickly smashed, and the rioters thronged into the mansion and began their work of destruction. Furniture was thrown into the street, where it was destroyed or carried away; pictures and hangings were pulled from the walls; carpets were ripped up and slashed; the mahogany balustrades were torn away; the wainscoting was hacked and gouged; and every pane of glass in the building was broken. Part of the mob, as one of the newspapers said next day, was "in the very act of pulling down the walls," while other rioters had begun to loot neighboring houses,when Sheriff John Holland appeared with a posse of deputies and a detachment of United States troops. Soon afterwards the mob dispersed. Meanwhile, according to the most plausible account of Madame Lalauries movements, the mulatto coachman had driven her to St John Bayou, where her husband was waiting with a small schooner, in which they sailed at once for Mandeville, on Lake Pontchartrain. Once his mistress was aboard the vessel, the mulatto drove back toward New Orleans, but on Bayou Road met a mob which killed him and destroyed the carriage. From Mandeville the Lalauries went to New York, but left there for Paris when they were recognized and hissed at a theater. Madame Lalaurie is said to have been killed a few years later while boar-hunting at Pau. The mansion on Royal Street was rebuilt, but it was a haunted house from the moment Madame Lalaurie's carriage dashed through the courtyard gates. Tenants usually left after a few months, and many of them complained that at night they heard the footsteps of the Negro child who had jumped from the roof, and the clanking of chains in the garret. In later years, the building was successively a school for whites, a school for Negro girls, a gambling-house, and a cheap tenement. For several years, the lower floor was occupied by the Haunted Saloon. The structure still stands, and is today the Warrington House, a refuge for friendless and penniless ex-convicts. {Pgs. 247-252} ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com

Hi Carolyn, My great grandmother’s name was Barbara Ziefle from Baiersbronn, Württemberg, Germany. I have found this name spelled many different ways, including Ziffle. Her father spelled his name Ziflen. I believe the German spelling would be Ziiflen. My great grandmother married Christian Hamann in New Orleans and had many children. She also had at least one sister in New Orleans. Her name was Justinia Catherina Ziefle Bundy. Most of that family lived in Mechanickham, across the river. There was also a half brother named Tobias Eberhardt. Would you please let me know something about your Ziffle? Thanks, Emily------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 4/6/2008 11:12 AM -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ctregre7@cox.net Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 4:14 PM To: ZORLEANS MESSAGE BD Subject: [LAORLEAN] Sound-alike names

Jan, I always heard it called CRS. You're fine. You are not loosing your mind, just getting a bit older. LOL Jan S - Orlando, FL -------Original Message------- From: romayor2@aol.com Date: 4/6/2008 6:42:21 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call Jan,? I feel so much better,? I thought I had OTD. Jan in S.E. TX -----Original Message----- From: Jan Strickland <jans884@bellsouth.net> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 2:33 pm Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call Linda, Sure has been a while since anyone called me "wonderful person", but that excel sheet was done by me. In fact I probably still have it and would be glad to share it. It was quite an undertaking. Would sure be glad to send it to anyone interested in updating it. It would be a great idea to pass it to everyone and let each person update their own info. That's about the only way to get it done easily. Sending it out to everyone will make it hard to work up and we would be right back to one person trying to add everyones info. Jan S - Orlando, FL -------Original Message------- From: Linda Dean Date: 4/6/2008 12:44:45 PM To: peggy; laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call Yes, July of 2005 some wonderful person on our list, put this into an excel doc. I don't remember who did it, but I am sure it was a lot of work. It included the surname, submitter and their email address. Would be a huge job to keep updated, with new additions and changes in email addresses. To give you an idea of the extendt, the list was 2293 surnames! Linda Dean On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 8:49 AM, peggy <rooneytoon29@earthlink.net> wrote: > > I have an Excel spreadsheet that was done in July 2005. I'm not sure, but > I think Cat posted it on her web site. It lists the surnames being > researched, the person/persons researching them and their e-mail address(s). > > peggy > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: romayor2@aol.com > >Sent: Apr 6, 2008 8:13 AM > >To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call > > > >I thought this was talked about several years ago.? Does anyone > remember?? > > > >Jan in SE TX > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: RHB <bennettrh@earthlink.net> > >To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 12:40 pm > >Subject: [LAORLEAN] roll call > > > > > > > >It would be nice if someone "out there" who is handy with formatting > >spread sheets could make a list of everyone who has submitted these > >names, arrange us and our names alphabetically and then post it > >somewhere... do we have an LAORLEAN website somewhere [Ancestry? > >Myfamily?].... that way it would be easy to read and readily available. > >Or save as a pdf formatted document which could be mailed out upon > request. > > > >Or maybe someone might have a better idea of how to record and store all > >our names.... > > > >Renee > > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jan,? I feel so much better,? I thought I had OTD. Jan in S.E. TX -----Original Message----- From: Jan Strickland <jans884@bellsouth.net> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 2:33 pm Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call Linda, Sure has been a while since anyone called me "wonderful person", but that excel sheet was done by me. In fact I probably still have it and would be glad to share it. It was quite an undertaking. Would sure be glad to send it to anyone interested in updating it. It would be a great idea to pass it to everyone and let each person update their own info. That's about the only way to get it done easily. Sending it out to everyone will make it hard to work up and we would be right back to one person trying to add everyones info. Jan S - Orlando, FL -------Original Message------- From: Linda Dean Date: 4/6/2008 12:44:45 PM To: peggy; laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call Yes, July of 2005 some wonderful person on our list, put this into an excel doc. I don't remember who did it, but I am sure it was a lot of work. It included the surname, submitter and their email address. Would be a huge job to keep updated, with new additions and changes in email addresses. To give you an idea of the extendt, the list was 2293 surnames! Linda Dean On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 8:49 AM, peggy <rooneytoon29@earthlink.net> wrote: > > I have an Excel spreadsheet that was done in July 2005. I'm not sure, but > I think Cat posted it on her web site. It lists the surnames being > researched, the person/persons researching them and their e-mail address(s). > > peggy > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: romayor2@aol.com > >Sent: Apr 6, 2008 8:13 AM > >To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call > > > >I thought this was talked about several years ago.? Does anyone > remember?? > > > >Jan in SE TX > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: RHB <bennettrh@earthlink.net> > >To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 12:40 pm > >Subject: [LAORLEAN] roll call > > > > > > > >It would be nice if someone "out there" who is handy with formatting > >spread sheets could make a list of everyone who has submitted these > >names, arrange us and our names alphabetically and then post it > >somewhere... do we have an LAORLEAN website somewhere [Ancestry? > >Myfamily?].... that way it would be easy to read and readily available. > >Or save as a pdf formatted document which could be mailed out upon > request. > > > >Or maybe someone might have a better idea of how to record and store all > >our names.... > > > >Renee > > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

just updated my info on the old list from Jul2005 and sent it to Bridgette. Also it is saved as Excel97. Jan S - Orlando, FL -------Original Message------- From: Steven Floyd Date: 4/6/2008 5:16:16 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Spreadsheet Please include me as well. Steven Floyd Gandalf@interconnect.net -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rita Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 2:42 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] Spreadsheet Hey Jan Please put me on the spreadsheet list! Thanks! Rita http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WestBankGenealogySociety Click "join this group" to set up your ID and password, then sign in each time you visit.

We have often spoken on this list about the mistakes in spelling we find in Census records, birth certificates, death certificates, etc. I have an ancestor whose surname I find spelled Ziffle. I have suspected for a long time that this is a phonetic spelling. Unfortunately, as I say the name over and over, I think of all kinds of ways to spell that name. Recently Craig Borne said that he found his ancestor Bridgett's name recorded as Richard. You know how Orleanians speak; a true Yat would pronounce that Rich-it (which sounds exactly like Bridgett). I know that lots of the names we see in research are the same sort of thing--where what I said is not what your ear heard. I ahved giggling to myself ever since Craig posted that information. Everyone here has a story similar to this one--where an ancestor's name is garbled. Carolyn Tregre

Hi Bridgette, I would also like to put my names on the spreadsheet. Thanks for your work on this. Rose rmhatten@gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "mrszipp" <mrszipp@cox.net> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call > Dear List - > > I have started a new Excel Spreedsheet. I have been pasting it around to > the memebers who would like to add their names (insert them in order), area > and email address of the name of the person who submit it. After they have > completed it they pass it back to me > and I save it and pass it to the next person who requested it. > > When it looks like I have everyones I'll contact either Cat or Colleen to > find out where would be the best place be to have it post for everyone. > > I found it to be easy if everyone listed their own names. > If you would like to have your names add please send me your email address > and I'll send it to you as soon as possible. > > Just trying to help > Bridgette > mrszipp@cox.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Dean" <lindadean7@gmail.com> > To: "peggy" <rooneytoon29@earthlink.net>; <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:43 AM > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call > > > > Yes, July of 2005 some wonderful person on our list, put this into an > > excel > > doc. I don't remember who did it, but I am sure it was a lot of work. It > > included the surname, submitter and their email address. Would be a huge > > job to keep updated, with new additions and changes in email addresses. > > To > > give you an idea of the extendt, the list was 2293 surnames! > > > > Linda Dean > > > > On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 8:49 AM, peggy <rooneytoon29@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > >> > >> I have an Excel spreadsheet that was done in July 2005. I'm not sure, but > >> I think Cat posted it on her web site. It lists the surnames being > >> researched, the person/persons researching them and their e-mail > >> address(s). > >> > >> peggy > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> >From: romayor2@aol.com > >> >Sent: Apr 6, 2008 8:13 AM > >> >To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > >> >Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] roll call > >> > > >> >I thought this was talked about several years ago.? Does anyone > >> remember?? > >> > > >> >Jan in SE TX > >> > > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: RHB <bennettrh@earthlink.net> > >> >To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > >> >Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 12:40 pm > >> >Subject: [LAORLEAN] roll call > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >It would be nice if someone "out there" who is handy with formatting > >> >spread sheets could make a list of everyone who has submitted these > >> >names, arrange us and our names alphabetically and then post it > >> >somewhere... do we have an LAORLEAN website somewhere [Ancestry? > >> >Myfamily?].... that way it would be easy to read and readily available. > >> >Or save as a pdf formatted document which could be mailed out upon > >> request. > >> > > >> >Or maybe someone might have a better idea of how to record and store all > >> >our names.... > >> > > >> >Renee > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >------------------------------- > >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com > >> >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > >> body of > >> >the message > >> > > >> > > >> >------------------------------- > >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

After searching for YEARS and YEARS for a marriage between Joseph Martin and Ellen Fitzsimmons, I found Ellen Fesimens...say it. :>) At 05:13 PM 4/6/2008 -0400, you wrote: >We have often spoken on this list about the mistakes in spelling we find >in Census records, birth certificates, death certificates, etc. > >I have an ancestor whose surname I find spelled Ziffle. I have suspected >for a long time that this is a phonetic spelling. Unfortunately, as I say >the name over and over, I think of all kinds of ways to spell that name. > >Recently Craig Borne said that he found his ancestor Bridgett's name >recorded as Richard. You know how Orleanians speak; a true Yat would >pronounce that Rich-it (which sounds exactly like Bridgett). > >I know that lots of the names we see in research are the same sort of >thing--where what I said is not what your ear heard. > >I ahved giggling to myself ever since Craig posted that information. > >Everyone here has a story similar to this one--where an ancestor's name is >garbled. > >Carolyn Tregre > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 4/6/2008 >11:12 AM

Please include me as well. Steven Floyd Gandalf@interconnect.net -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rita Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 2:42 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] Spreadsheet Hey Jan Please put me on the spreadsheet list! Thanks! Rita http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WestBankGenealogySociety Click "join this group" to set up your ID and password, then sign in each time you visit. --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message