Carolyn, Ages ago, I read a book of stories/folk tales about Louisiana which had something about this in it. Think the book was called "Gumbo Ya-Ya". It was a really old book but had tons of great short stories about New Orleans and Louisiana. I loved it. Think I got it at my library. Jan S - Orlando, FL -------Original Message------- From: Carolyn Long Date: 4/7/2008 6:49:50 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] the "Haunted House" Yes, Nicolas Cage owns the house now. I'm trying to figure out how to get an appointment with him so I can photograph the interior of the building. That idea about the newspaper report being written by a disgruntled neighbor has been around for a long time. It seems to have originated in the 1920s-1940s with Mrs. Miriam Duggan DeBuys, wife of Dr. Lawrence Richard DeBuys. Dr. DeBuys was a direct descendant of Delphine's first daughter, Borja Lopez y Angulo, who was married to Placide Forstall. Naturally the family wanted to rehabilitate the reputation of Madame Lalaurie, so they spread this alternative story, placing the blame for "spreading rumors" on Barthelemy Montreuil, a relative who also lived next door. According to this story, Montreuil had been cheated out of his inheritance by Delphine. I'm still hearing this from some present-day descendants of that line of the family. Montreuil was indeed Delphine's first cousin (his mother, Manette Macarty, was Delphine's father's sister), but he didn't live next door, or for that matter, anywhere near Delphine. And he does seem to have been the one who originally reported her cruel treatment of her slaves to the authorities a few years before the fire. When Barthelemy's father died, his mother (Delphine's aunt) became executor of the estate, which, according to Louisiana Civil Law, was equally divided between all the Montreuil children. Barthelemy got the same share as the others. I've looked at many pages of succession documents, and Delphine never had anything to do with the settlement of the estate. The story of the fire appeared in the Bee, the Courier, and the Louisiana Advertiser, and later got into the national press. Montreuil was not a reporter for any of these newspapers, although he might have contributed to the story since he was one of the men who went into the house to fight the fire and save the slaves. The articles were written by the editors of the papers; two of them were Creoles and one was an American. To me, the most compelling evidence is the deposition that Judge Canonge made before the Justice of the Peace and was reprinted in the Bee. Some people even now have argued that Canonge himself might have had a grudge against Delphine, and this could be true, but one hopes that he was of an incorruptible character. In addition, there are three other contemporary reports of the incident that I've found in the Historic New Orleans Collection and at the Tulane Library, which confirm that the thing really happened. Finally, there's a letter from Delphine's son, written from Paris in 1842. As all of you have probably figured out by now, I'm working on a book. I'd love to hear your version of the story. I want to know what's floating around out there. Carolyn Morrow Long (author of A New Orleans Voudou Priestess: The Legend and Reality of Marie Laveau) > [Original Message] > From: Cat <ambicat@charter.net> > To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Date: 04/07/2008 3:56:28 PM > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] the "Haunted House" > > Last I heard, Nicholas Cage now owns it. > > I had heard that the original article that appeared in the paper > about "the incident" was written by a reporter who was a neighbor of > the Lalauries...and apparently they had a feud going on with him so > it was "embellished". Who knows, but makes for wondering exactly how > accurate even things reported in the paper can be. > > > At 12:32 PM 4/7/2008, you wrote: > >It's 1140 Royal, uptown riverside corner of Governor Nicholls--three > >stories, gray, grim-looking. > > Cat Donnow > http://www.ambiancestudio.com > mailto:ambicat@charter.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1363 - Release Date: 04/07/2008 8:56 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Could we collect everyone's roll call of names along with their email address and just combine them? This would not even have to be spreadsheet; maybe just a word processing doc with the names listed [alphabetically & horizontally, to save space]. Then a pdf copy could be sent [offlist] to whoever requested it. This would allow us to scroll through the different members of LAORLEAN, looking at the names they are researching without having to sift through roll call messages mixed in with other list messages. For example, frequently people will reply to an entire digest without deleting all the irrelevant other messages. This means that readers have to sift through long, repeated messages over and over again. Speaking for just myself, I just don't have that much time. So getting all the roll call names in one place without other list messages interspersed would be a real help. To make this more manageable, we might ask that the names being search only come from Louisiana. The problem is that as new list members join LAORLEAN they won't know that such a list exists. I don't know how to solve this. Someone might have an idea... But, I'll give an example: see below: ---------------- Renee Hotard, bennettrh@earthlink net Direct Lines: Aufrere, Benich, Bopf, Borne, Bossie [Bossier], Bourgeois, Boutte, Calendre, Carmouche, Chenet, Chennion, Chevalier, Couturier, Cunningham, DeGruy, Diederlen, Doss, Dubuisson, Dupont dit le Kintrek, Durand [or Lapeyre], Engel [Inglar], Evans, Folse, Gendner, Guillemet dit La Lande, Herzog, Hotard, Hubert dit la Croix, Huval, Perret, Pujol, Rome [Rommel], Ruth, St. Amand, Tregre, Trosclair, Verges, Witzman, Zeringue Allied Families: Henning, Lapeyronnie, Middleton ---------------- Bridgett , mrszipp@cox.net Names: Baldwin, berril, Bourgeois, Davis, Estave, Estavez, Golden, Halligan, Landry, Musselman, Reich, Riehm, Tierney, Simoneaux, Ulmer ----------------- Audrey H, rhopper454@aol.com Names: Brannon, Condon, Eastin, Gondron/Gondran, Harang, Himmelreich, Lenz, McKenzie, Servat, Weinstein ------------------ Craig Borne, cjborne@comcast.net Names: Borne/LeBorne, Bettemont, Haydel, Perret, Daspit, Latour, D'arensbourg, (Emma Florinda) Lucas, Davis, McStea, Schuyler Thibodaux, Belanger, Himel, Porche, Bergeron, Duhe, Bourgeois, Capponi, Bulger, (Ann) Riley, Merrill, (Sophie) Tennermann/Teneman, Gilhust, Dossat, Lamothe ---------------------------------------
Allison, Don't take not getting the information entirely that it's because of adoption. This happens in biological lines, too. A few months ago, a grandaughter of my grandmother's sister contacted me. She had a lot of pictures of that side of the family whom she couldn't identify. Another cousin gave her my number to talk to me. I was delighted to hear from her as I don't have genie contact with many from that side of the family. She sent me about 2 dozen of the undentified pictures, most of which I couldn't help with. In return, I printed the information I had in my geneology program and made copies of pictures of her grandmother and other members of that family. I did this because I'm always willing to share with someone who is definitely related to me and also it puts the information in someone else's hands in case something happens to my information (heaven forbid another hurricane!) She said she would mail more pictures for me to try to identify. To date I have not gotten a confirmation that she received the information I sent, a thank-you, or any more pictures. Let me say, though, the good out weighs the bad. I have had several contacts over the years who have been more than willing to share family information with me and I, in turn, shared with them (two or three I've met through this list). And I can't count all the wonderful people over the years, especially on this list, who have helped me solve some problems, taken the time to do look-ups, and pointed me in the right direction to get some information I lacked. AudreyB But this has been so upsetting because I really wanted the information in the family letters. And now I am left with the impression that I don't deserve to have it because I am not really family. That sucks. -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-request@rootsweb.com To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 7:21 pm Subject: LAORLEAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 122 Today's Topics: 1. Roll Call - the other part (Tuminco) 2. Re: adoption & genealogy (Wilson) 3. Re: adoption & genealogy (Allison Bartsch) 4. Re: McCarty Plantation (Cat) 5. Re: Roll Call (Rikard Hill) 6. Re: adoption & genealogy (Judy Riffel) 7. Re: Roll Call (joan_f_schaefer@sbcglobal.net) 8. Re: adoption & genealogy (Carolyn Long) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 07:36:04 +0800 From: Tuminco <tuminco@iinet.net.au> Subject: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call - the other part To: <LAORLEAN@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <C41CDC64.12F0%tuminco@iinet.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" This is the other part of the family that I am researching/searching TUIT (Belgium, Netherlands) KRUIJT (Belgium, Netherlands) WALLRAFF (Germany) MULLER/MUELLER (Germany) DOUST (England and Australia) HERITAGE (England and Australia) GOUGH (England and Australia) MORRALL (England and Australia) ROSSELL (England and Australia) PAVELY (England and Australia) LUQUETTE (US and beyond) DIAZ (US and beyond) MENDEZ (Us and beyond) HARSELAAR (US and beyond) GILLAM (England and Australia) TURNER (England and Australia) BOGLE (England and Australia) HYMUS (England and Australia) BENNETT (England and Australia) PEARSE (England and Australia) PARADISE (England US and Australia) THOMPSON (England US and Australia) ... and of course anywhere else!! Again ? with thanks Leonie Tuit Perth, Western Australia ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:41:42 -0500 From: "Wilson" <redhangar@charter.net> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000301c896ad$6fcc0790$6501a8c0@bzf9d01> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I don't believe that it is fair to call someone a "bloodline snob". Many researchers are looking for their heritage - which is bloodline. Genealogy research, as its very nature is bloodline. Some want to join heritage organizations, others just want the information. I see no reason that an adopted person should not research their adopted family's heritage. Just be sure to not pass along or include any of the information on themselves as "family". Sounds harsh, but the truth is that Genealogy is truly about Bloodline. We had a situation in our family that involved an adopted person (who did not know they were adopted) supplying information that was erroneous and caused many problems in having people believing and researching the wrong lines. Love and respect your adopted family as I am sure they do you. But please be careful to only pass along bloodline information Wilson Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Carpenter" <mbarker@austin.rr.com> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy > Hi Allison > > I have double that situation. My father is adopted and my husband is > adopted. We know both my fathers birth parents and my husband knows his > birth mother. My dad, who is 68, actually met his birth grandfather, and > his uncle and his wife and son. They were very pleased to meet us and > gave > my father alot of information. My dads adopted family has been nothing > but > accepting of him and is even called son by most of his family, who all > know > he is adopted. The only issue is that I just don't tell the adopted > family > that I am researching the birth family. It would hurt their feeling > because > they just don't concidered him differant from the rest of the family. > When > I talk to extended family researchers from the adopted line I just don't > say > anything about him being adopted. If they don't already know I never > bring > it up. My dad has the same name as my grandfather, is the oldest, and has > two sibling who where not adopted so it all "seems normal". > All that said, I believe that it really depends on the researcher. > Some are what I call "real bloodline snobs". Others are interested in the > entire family, whatever the family was. To me it is a differance between > Family History and Family Lineage. I say keep researching and > connecting. > If they choice to be rude than that is their lose. They are the ones who > are missing out on stories of family, courage, and love. > > Martha Carpenter > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allison Bartsch" <rb1000@hotmail.com> > To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 PM > Subject: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy > > >> Hi Nova, >> >> I have a question to ask the list. I was lucky enough to have the >> genealogy of my father's family done for me by an uncle years before I >> was >> born. I had always been interested in family history because it was >> there >> for me to know. My father's family had been on the Mississippi Coast >> (Biloxi) since D'Iberville landed. >> >> Nobody had done research on my mother's family, which is from New >> Orleans. >> My mother is adopted and there in comes the issue. My mother did not >> want >> me to pursue her biological family. My grandmother adopted three little >> girls, from the Protestant Home for Babies, in New Orleans. I even have >> mother's adoption papers with her birth mother's name listed. But none >> of >> the sisters have expressed any interest in their biological roots. >> However, they were eager for me to do research on their adopted family. >> Which I have done, with some measure of success. >> >> Apparently adoption is a volatile subject in genealogy. Recently, I have >> had two "cousins" stop corresponding with me as soon as they found out my >> mother was adopted. This has occurred within the last 6 months. >> >> I don't really know how to feel about this, it is quite upsetting. I >> dared not tell my mother or her sisters, because I would never say or do >> anything that would shame them about their adoption. >> >> Closer family members have done nothing but encourage me in my research. >> But I have had the snub happen before when I first started doing >> research, >> about six years ago. >> >> Can someone educate me about the prevailing attitude toward adoptees in >> genealogy? Are these snubs common for adoptees? Am I wrong in thinking >> that my mother's adopted family is just as legitimate as blood? I have >> and would never claim any type of heritage for joining associations like >> the DAR or their like. My grandmother was a great lady, and she chose my >> mother and her sisters to be her family, I don't see why we can't be her >> family too. >> >> Thank you for your consideration of this matter. >> >> Allison Eleuterius Bartsch >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:45:49 -0500 From: "Allison Bartsch" <rb1000@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV12958FE01D4C4A1BB54C00DEF60@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Martha, Thanks for your comments. Maybe part of my problem is that I tell everyone that my mother and her sisters are adopted. I felt like I was supposed to disclose that information. I was very frustrated last week because I sent a lot of good stuff that took me years to compile, to a "cousin" in Georgia. She had family letters that mentioned my great grandfather and his exploits. I sent the cousin the obit, and a picture of his headstone, and a scanned copy of confederate notes which bear his signature. In return, I was hoping she would send me copies of the letters mentioning my great grandfather. I haven't heard a word from her since my email mentioned the adoptions. And now I am sure I can't get the information because I am not blood family. I feel like a cartoon character with steam streaming from my ears. If I hadn't been so stupid, I might have gotten the information. I just didn't know to keep my mouth shut. I can't research my mother's biological family now. She is all up in my business and she would find out. It would be like her childhood whenever stupid people told her that she was not really family to her mother and father. So, I can't do any research on her biological family. I made a promise that I am going to keep. But this has been so upsetting because I really wanted the information in the family letters. And now I am left with the impression that I don't deserve to have it because I am not really family. That sucks. Anyway, I felt like I had to speak for the adoptees out there. I hoped that we are far enough along with our society that we were past trying to shame adoptees, but apparently some knuckle-draggers out there haven't evolved enough to render the defense unnecessary. Allison Eleuterius Bartsch ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:48:23 -0500 From: Cat <ambicat@charter.net> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] McCarty Plantation To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20080404234825.GIWQ11293.aarprv06.charter.net@donnow.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Try this from Grace King's book....lots on the Macarty family: http://tinyurl.com/5ckr2u >There is a description of the house close to the bottom of section >on the Macartys Cat Donnow http://www.ambiancestudio.com mailto:ambicat@charter.net ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:51:06 -0500 From: "Rikard Hill" <rikrikardo1@centurytel.net> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000201c896ae$c18824a0$6401a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Joan, Who were your HILL ancestors in NO? Mine were a German HILLE family from the Kingdom of Hanover that was anglicized to HILL about 1850. Heads of household were Henry Hill and John C. Hill Rikard Hill Defiance, MO -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of joan_f_schaefer@sbcglobal.net Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:37 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call I think so much about Burnses. Here is the other half, the Gregsons: Brauner Carreras Daly Dubernet Glaudi Gregson Hill Holzwarth Imholte Jane Kane Merriman Reinecker Sylvis Viola Joan Schaefer ----- Original Message ----- From: "mrszipp" <mrszipp@cox.net> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:40 PM Subject: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call > Would everyone on the list be up for a Roll Call? > > > Thanks > Bridgette > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:59:34 -0500 From: "Judy Riffel" <riffelj@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <005b01c896af$eebff5a0$5f01a8c0@userc1z2hkl8s7> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original The problem of sending information to relatives and having them snub you afterwards is not confined to adoptees. After you've be at this a while, you learn to hold back on some of the "good stuff" until you get something you want in return. I've already sent relatives info that took me 20 years and tons of money to compile only to hear them say, "is that it?" Needless to say, they didn't get any more. Fortunately, the vast majority are not like this. Judy Riffel Baton Rouge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allison Bartsch" <rb1000@hotmail.com> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy > Hi Martha, > > Thanks for your comments. Maybe part of my problem is that I tell > everyone > that my mother and her sisters are adopted. I felt like I was supposed to > disclose that information. I was very frustrated last week because I sent > a > lot of good stuff that took me years to compile, to a "cousin" in Georgia. > > She had family letters that mentioned my great grandfather and his > exploits. > I sent the cousin the obit, and a picture of his headstone, and a scanned > copy of confederate notes which bear his signature. In return, I was > hoping > she would send me copies of the letters mentioning my great grandfather. > I > haven't heard a word from her since my email mentioned the adoptions. And > now I am sure I can't get the information because I am not blood family. > I > feel like a cartoon character with steam streaming from my ears. If I > hadn't been so stupid, I might have gotten the information. I just didn't > know to keep my mouth shut. > > I can't research my mother's biological family now. She is all up in my > business and she would find out. It would be like her childhood whenever > stupid people told her that she was not really family to her mother and > father. So, I can't do any research on her biological family. I made a > promise that I am going to keep. > > But this has been so upsetting because I really wanted the information in > the family letters. And now I am left with the impression that I don't > deserve to have it because I am not really family. That sucks. > > Anyway, I felt like I had to speak for the adoptees out there. I hoped > that > we are far enough along with our society that we were past trying to shame > adoptees, but apparently some knuckle-draggers out there haven't evolved > enough to render the defense unnecessary. > > Allison Eleuterius Bartsch > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:58:48 -0500 From: <joan_f_schaefer@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000d01c896af$d51eae20$4101a8c0@JOAN> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dear Glen, My Anita Carreras, was born about 1926, was living in New Orleans in 1930 with her father Fred, Mother Anna, and little sister Frances. She married Raymond Gregson born about 1923, and they had three sons and two daughters, one son of whom died in 2002. I have Fred as Frederich in the 1920 Census in Louisiana, born in Cuba, and his two of his siblings also born in Cuba, and a sister Rachel born in Spain and a mother Amelia born in Spain. There is no husband mentioned in that household. Might he be your Federico? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Carreras" <genealogy@noesnada.com> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call > Joan, > > Does your Carreras line run through Salvador Carreras and Josefa Boada? > I'd be very interested in knowing more about that line in order to see > if they are related to my Carreras line. I only know that they were of > Spain, but not exactly where in Spain they lived. I have a scan of the > death certificate for Federico Carreras that I can email to you if you > are interested. > > Glen Carreras > > joan_f_schaefer@sbcglobal.net wrote: >> I think so much about Burnses. Here is the other half, the Gregsons: >> >> Brauner >> >> Carreras >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 20:14:27 -0500 From: "Carolyn Long" <carolynlong@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] adoption & genealogy To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <410-2200846511427610@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Regarding attitudes toward adoption: I was adopted as an infant in 1940. I didn't learn that I was adopted until I was around nine years old, and the reason my adoptive mother told me then was to instill in me a sense of gratitude and duty, since I was perceived as a "difficult child." She told me never to tell anybody, since at that time there was a good deal of stigma attached to adoption. It took me years, until I was in my 30s, to even get my adoptive parents to let me see my adoption papers, and even then they wouldn't let me take them to be copied because "somebody might see them." It took me many more years to find my birth family, but I did get to meet my birth mother, three half-siblings, aunts, uncles, and cousins. All were very welcoming. Only last summer did I find my birth father, who unfortunately had been dead since 1979, around the time I started searching for my family. I would have hoped that by now attitudes toward adoption have gotten more enlightened. I'm certainly not ashamed of being an adoptee and I make no secret of it. I've researched both my adoptive and my birth families. Carolyn Long (originally Michael Anne Thompson, descended from Samuel Thompson, who, according to family lore, was a British soldier who deserted at the time of the Battle of New Orleans and settled in Mississippi) ------------------------------ To contact the LAORLEAN list administrator, send an email to LAORLEAN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the LAORLEAN mailing list, send an email to LAORLEAN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of LAORLEAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 122 ****************************************
Thanks, Carolyn! Whew! My ancestors were at 134 Royal! Can anyone tell me if the first number listed on the New Orleans city directories is the place of business and the second number is the home number. I think that's the way it goes but not sure. My ancestor list 134 RToyal and he was a barber, nothing listed for 2nd listing. Another ancestor lists 25 Exchange place and 2nd 78 Banks ST. Carol Message: 7 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:32:18 -0400 From: "Carolyn Long" <carolynlong@earthlink.net> Subject: [LAORLEAN] the "Haunted House" To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <410-22008417173218300@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII It's 1140 Royal, uptown riverside corner of Governor Nicholls--three stories, gray, grim-looking. But remember that it was rebuilt and enlarged after the fire, so it didn't look like that when Delphine Macarty Lalaurie lived there. > [Original Message] > From: Carol Hustus <maranath@embarqmail.com> > To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Date: 04/07/2008 12:43:18 PM > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] LAORLEAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 137 > > Would anyone know the house number on Royal Street of the "Haunted House." > One of my ancestors lived on Royal and just curious to know where it was in > relation to his house. > Thanks > > Carol > Florida >
Yes, Nicolas Cage owns the house now. I'm trying to figure out how to get an appointment with him so I can photograph the interior of the building. That idea about the newspaper report being written by a disgruntled neighbor has been around for a long time. It seems to have originated in the 1920s-1940s with Mrs. Miriam Duggan DeBuys, wife of Dr. Lawrence Richard DeBuys. Dr. DeBuys was a direct descendant of Delphine's first daughter, Borja Lopez y Angulo, who was married to Placide Forstall. Naturally the family wanted to rehabilitate the reputation of Madame Lalaurie, so they spread this alternative story, placing the blame for "spreading rumors" on Barthelemy Montreuil, a relative who also lived next door. According to this story, Montreuil had been cheated out of his inheritance by Delphine. I'm still hearing this from some present-day descendants of that line of the family. Montreuil was indeed Delphine's first cousin (his mother, Manette Macarty, was Delphine's father's sister), but he didn't live next door, or for that matter, anywhere near Delphine. And he does seem to have been the one who originally reported her cruel treatment of her slaves to the authorities a few years before the fire. When Barthelemy's father died, his mother (Delphine's aunt) became executor of the estate, which, according to Louisiana Civil Law, was equally divided between all the Montreuil children. Barthelemy got the same share as the others. I've looked at many pages of succession documents, and Delphine never had anything to do with the settlement of the estate. The story of the fire appeared in the Bee, the Courier, and the Louisiana Advertiser, and later got into the national press. Montreuil was not a reporter for any of these newspapers, although he might have contributed to the story since he was one of the men who went into the house to fight the fire and save the slaves. The articles were written by the editors of the papers; two of them were Creoles and one was an American. To me, the most compelling evidence is the deposition that Judge Canonge made before the Justice of the Peace and was reprinted in the Bee. Some people even now have argued that Canonge himself might have had a grudge against Delphine, and this could be true, but one hopes that he was of an incorruptible character. In addition, there are three other contemporary reports of the incident that I've found in the Historic New Orleans Collection and at the Tulane Library, which confirm that the thing really happened. Finally, there's a letter from Delphine's son, written from Paris in 1842. As all of you have probably figured out by now, I'm working on a book. I'd love to hear your version of the story. I want to know what's floating around out there. Carolyn Morrow Long (author of A New Orleans Voudou Priestess: The Legend and Reality of Marie Laveau) > [Original Message] > From: Cat <ambicat@charter.net> > To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Date: 04/07/2008 3:56:28 PM > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] the "Haunted House" > > Last I heard, Nicholas Cage now owns it. > > I had heard that the original article that appeared in the paper > about "the incident" was written by a reporter who was a neighbor of > the Lalauries...and apparently they had a feud going on with him so > it was "embellished". Who knows, but makes for wondering exactly how > accurate even things reported in the paper can be. > > > At 12:32 PM 4/7/2008, you wrote: > >It's 1140 Royal, uptown riverside corner of Governor Nicholls--three > >stories, gray, grim-looking. > > Cat Donnow > http://www.ambiancestudio.com > mailto:ambicat@charter.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1363 - Release Date: 04/07/2008 8:56 AM
Carolyn...thanks for the explanation. Can't wait for the new book to come out! I really admire your thorough research and loved your Madam Laveau book. It was so refreshing to read stuff about her based on fact. She lived across the street from my GGGGrandmother, Marie Louise Constant, so it also gave me a good "picture" of the neighborhood. I've read it at least 3 times and have leant it to friends and relavtives. After reading it while visiting this winter, my Mom got a copy for my sister. At 05:48 PM 4/7/2008, you wrote: >Yes, Nicolas Cage owns the house now. I'm trying to figure out how to get >an appointment with him so I can photograph the interior of the building. > >That idea about the newspaper report being written by a disgruntled >neighbor has been around for a long time.... Cat Donnow http://www.ambiancestudio.com mailto:ambicat@charter.net
I am researching the following families: Achee with variants of Ashey, Hache & Gallant Derbes of New Orleans Gilly of New Orleans Valie of New Orleans Ayraud of Ascension Parish Cazenave of West Baton Rouge Parish Lejeune of West Baton Rouge Parish Longuepee of West Baton Rouge Parish Lejeune of West Baton Rouge Parish Seguin of West Baton Rouge Parish Gibson of West Baton Rouge Parish Ben Achee Bossier City, LA No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1363 - Release Date: 4/7/2008 8:56 AM
My Clara Hussy married Wm. H. Ray before 1852. I don't know about Hall. -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of H. R. Blake Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 12:19 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Names Who are your Rays??? Mine are from the Hall Ray line. H. R. Blake On 4/3/08, John and Betty Halberg <halberg@olypen.com> wrote: > > German Husseys, Housey, Husi > > Erler > > Ray > > Deller > > Busi or Buse > > Billings > > Schully > > Zahn > > > > Thanks, Betty Halberg > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I have a Jacob Hussy who married Mary Henry (b. abt. 1856) on 10/9/1880. -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Helen Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:06 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call Hi, Nova - My list: Caffin Chenal Curtenaz Gouzy Gourgues Hauser Heneaux Henry Lovarate Laville Martinez Martz Neblung Paraire Pluche Watkins Werling Helen Pluche Fort Worth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I have an Edward Schaefer who married Theresa Hussy 12/6/1910. Betty Halberg -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Doris Reiner Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 5:12 PM To: LAORLEAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call Schaeffer (Shaffer) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Miller - Theresa Miller b. 1860 married Louis Hussey 4/23/1889; Louis died 6/17/1899. Theresa moved back to her parents (1900 census). -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Buckles Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 8:49 AM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call Ripp Deris Fis(c)her Puster Wendling Schaneville Wessing Canal Miller (Andrew; LeRoy) Picton Hines Rid(e)out Kaiser Richard (Larrett Nemours; Anna Nell - 2 families) Vicknair Colomes Barrios Boudra (not related to Boudreaux) Ap(p)rill Wursteisen Zinser Guenther Patti in Mississippi ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I am looking for the names: Alice Youngblood Charlie Youngblood Delia Youngblood Alice Joiner/ Joyner Dowden ----- Original Message ---- From: "laorlean-request@rootsweb.com" <laorlean-request@rootsweb.com> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 7, 2008 3:29:50 PM Subject: LAORLEAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 140 Today's Topics: 1. Re: List (Jan Strickland) 2. Re: Roll Call (Judy Fisher) 3. Sound-alike names (patcwpilgrim@juno.com) 4. Re: Roll Call (B Ware) 5. Re: Sound-alike names (B Ware) 6. Re: LAORLEAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 137 (Carol Hustus) 7. the "Haunted House" (Carolyn Long) 8. LAORLEAN Digest, Roll Call (Smileson@aol.com) 9. 1986 obit (PQ Buckles) 10. Re: the "Haunted House" (Cat) 11. Roll Call (bachee) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:58:38 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Jan Strickland" <jans884@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] List To: "mrszipp" <mrszipp@cox.net>, "LAORLEAN" <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <47F9FE5E.00001A.03840@JAN> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Bridgette, No misunderstanding at all, don't worry about it. I did the same as you, I somehow assumed it would be real easy and it was not. Excel is a problem because not everyone has Excel and if it is done it would need to work for everyone. Excel does make sorting it easy of course. OK NOVA, There should be an easy way to do this and I know several of you are very knowledgeable about computer programs and might know the best way to do this. Ideas anyone? or Maybe we would be better off to just continue with the roll calls as we do them now. Actually, I really enjoy them, looking thru them for names. Sort of like a treasure hunt. So anyone have an idea that might work for us or shall we just stick to the Roll Calls" every so often? Jan -------Original Message------- From: mrszipp Date: 4/6/2008 9:23:01 PM To: Jan Strickland Subject: Re: List Hi Jan, Sorry about the misunderstanding. I never knew that there was an original list, that was started in 2005. I wasn't a member then yet. I just started one on my own and thought perhaps others would like to have one too. I'm not expert with Excel by no means. I can get around a little doing the simple stuff. I've rec'd the list back and haven't forwarded to anyone else yet. It hasn't been as easy as I thought it would be. The only way I could figure out how to make everyone happy is if they couldn't open the file I'd input the information for them. As long as they didn't mind putting their names in order for me. If you don't mind I'd rather leave it up to you on how we should handle this After all, you know how hard it's going to be. Tell me where we should go from here. I'm standing by Thanks Bridgette ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 07:19:46 -0500 From: "Judy Fisher" <jzamboni@cox.net> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002301c898a9$aaf53230$6500a8c0@JudyFisher> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I have a Charles Eisler in my family tree. Judy Fisher,La. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine Elliott" <Lorraine.Elliott@anu.edu.au> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:46 AM Subject: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call > Trying this again - for some reason the e-mail that circulated back to me > had no content! > > I'm researching the following NO families: > > Direct line > Elliott (from NC/SC/Virginia ... possibly via Ireland?) > Keller (from Bavaria) > Kern (from Bavaria) > > Collateral lines > Morris > Sexton > Schlater > Eisler > Fotta (or Folta?) > Patterson > Sandericker > Dusang > > Thanks > Lorraine (in Australia) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:36:02 GMT From: "patcwpilgrim@juno.com" <patcwpilgrim@juno.com> Subject: [LAORLEAN] Sound-alike names To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20080407.083602.12628.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I experienced the same thing when researching the name Starr in New Orleans. I was about to give up when I found Henrietta Starr under Henrietta Stoher. Say that out loud and you can see how the little mix up occurred! Pat _____________________________________________________________ Click for top financial advice. Reduce debt & save for retirement. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifSDiRsRuCurJNzrr7b7jSLAn6VZdvW5ctMpubZWWo5NIS3H/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:16:48 -0700 (PDT) From: B Ware <grumpysmom@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <267523.56669.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Lorraine, I have an Elisabeth K. Kron, who married a (unknown) Kern, (bef. 1877). She was born in New Orleans - 1860 died in N.O. 1925. Both her parents came from Bavaria. I don't have any information on the Kern whom she was married to. But, she was my great aunt. Do you have a Kern who was married to a Kron ? Betty ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:20:31 -0700 (PDT) From: B Ware <grumpysmom@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Sound-alike names To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <330763.74777.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have a Starr in my family line...email me off list. Thanks, Betty ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:41:40 -0400 From: "Carol Hustus" <maranath@embarqmail.com> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] LAORLEAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 137 To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <003001c898ce$5642c340$0202a8c0@CarolsDell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Would anyone know the house number on Royal Street of the "Haunted House." One of my ancestors lived on Royal and just curious to know where it was in relation to his house. Thanks Carol Florida ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:32:18 -0400 From: "Carolyn Long" <carolynlong@earthlink.net> Subject: [LAORLEAN] the "Haunted House" To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <410-22008417173218300@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII It's 1140 Royal, uptown riverside corner of Governor Nicholls--three stories, gray, grim-looking. But remember that it was rebuilt and enlarged after the fire, so it didn't look like that when Delphine Macarty Lalaurie lived there. > [Original Message] > From: Carol Hustus <maranath@embarqmail.com> > To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Date: 04/07/2008 12:43:18 PM > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] LAORLEAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 137 > > Would anyone know the house number on Royal Street of the "Haunted House." > One of my ancestors lived on Royal and just curious to know where it was in > relation to his house. > Thanks > > Carol > Florida > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1363 - Release Date: 04/07/2008 8:56 AM ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:33:25 EDT From: Smileson@aol.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] LAORLEAN Digest, Roll Call To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d46.26e32d28.352bc2f5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi, My name is Judy Perrin Mahaffey born in New Orleans and now live in Florida. I have been researching my family for abt 30 + years and in 1989 was able to join DAR using Mathieu Hotard as my Rev. War Ancestor. Now I can add De Gruy to my list, there is now a Perrin/de Gruy connection in France. Still Researching: Perrin, Trahan, St Amant, deGruy,Borne, Pichoff, Provost, Valentine, Clemenceau, Belsom, Fabre, Carmouche, Lepine, Schaubhut, Comeau, Comier, Hotard, Martin, Willig, Gautrot, Charpentier... ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:51:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: PQ Buckles <pqbuckles@earthlink.net> Subject: [LAORLEAN] 1986 obit To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <17181297.1207594288317.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I am looking for an obit for my step-grandmother, Eva Mae (Barrios) Boudra. She was born Feb 1902 and died Oct 1986. I believe she was living in Westwego at the time of her death. I haven't been able to find her obit online and it will be quite some time before I get down to New Orleans again. If anyone can easily access this obit, I would be much obliged. Patti in Mississippi All incoming and outgoing mail scanned for viruses by PC-Cillin. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:55:27 -0500 From: Cat <ambicat@charter.net> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] the "Haunted House" To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20080407195528.TBFI11293.aarprv06.charter.net@donnow.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Last I heard, Nicholas Cage now owns it. I had heard that the original article that appeared in the paper about "the incident" was written by a reporter who was a neighbor of the Lalauries...and apparently they had a feud going on with him so it was "embellished". Who knows, but makes for wondering exactly how accurate even things reported in the paper can be. At 12:32 PM 4/7/2008, you wrote: >It's 1140 Royal, uptown riverside corner of Governor Nicholls--three >stories, gray, grim-looking. Cat Donnow http://www.ambiancestudio.com mailto:ambicat@charter.net ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 17:29:03 -0500 From: "bachee" <bachee@bellsouth.net> Subject: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call To: "'New Orleans Rootsweb'" <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <200804072229.m37MT6qa013065@mail.rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" I am researching the following families: Achee with variants of Ashey, Hache & Gallant Derbes of New Orleans Gilly of New Orleans Valie of New Orleans Ayraud of Ascension Parish Cazenave of West Baton Rouge Parish Lejeune of West Baton Rouge Parish Longuepee of West Baton Rouge Parish Lejeune of West Baton Rouge Parish Seguin of West Baton Rouge Parish Gibson of West Baton Rouge Parish Ben Achee Bossier City, LA No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1363 - Release Date: 4/7/2008 8:56 AM ------------------------------ To contact the LAORLEAN list administrator, send an email to LAORLEAN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the LAORLEAN mailing list, send an email to LAORLEAN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of LAORLEAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 140 ****************************************
Last I heard, Nicholas Cage now owns it. I had heard that the original article that appeared in the paper about "the incident" was written by a reporter who was a neighbor of the Lalauries...and apparently they had a feud going on with him so it was "embellished". Who knows, but makes for wondering exactly how accurate even things reported in the paper can be. At 12:32 PM 4/7/2008, you wrote: >It's 1140 Royal, uptown riverside corner of Governor Nicholls--three >stories, gray, grim-looking. Cat Donnow http://www.ambiancestudio.com mailto:ambicat@charter.net
Hi, My name is Judy Perrin Mahaffey born in New Orleans and now live in Florida. I have been researching my family for abt 30 + years and in 1989 was able to join DAR using Mathieu Hotard as my Rev. War Ancestor. Now I can add De Gruy to my list, there is now a Perrin/de Gruy connection in France. Still Researching: Perrin, Trahan, St Amant, deGruy,Borne, Pichoff, Provost, Valentine, Clemenceau, Belsom, Fabre, Carmouche, Lepine, Schaubhut, Comeau, Comier, Hotard, Martin, Willig, Gautrot, Charpentier... ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)
I am looking for an obit for my step-grandmother, Eva Mae (Barrios) Boudra. She was born Feb 1902 and died Oct 1986. I believe she was living in Westwego at the time of her death. I haven't been able to find her obit online and it will be quite some time before I get down to New Orleans again. If anyone can easily access this obit, I would be much obliged. Patti in Mississippi All incoming and outgoing mail scanned for viruses by PC-Cillin.
I experienced the same thing when researching the name Starr in New Orleans. I was about to give up when I found Henrietta Starr under Henrietta Stoher. Say that out loud and you can see how the little mix up occurred! Pat _____________________________________________________________ Click for top financial advice. Reduce debt & save for retirement. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifSDiRsRuCurJNzrr7b7jSLAn6VZdvW5ctMpubZWWo5NIS3H/
It's 1140 Royal, uptown riverside corner of Governor Nicholls--three stories, gray, grim-looking. But remember that it was rebuilt and enlarged after the fire, so it didn't look like that when Delphine Macarty Lalaurie lived there. > [Original Message] > From: Carol Hustus <maranath@embarqmail.com> > To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> > Date: 04/07/2008 12:43:18 PM > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] LAORLEAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 137 > > Would anyone know the house number on Royal Street of the "Haunted House." > One of my ancestors lived on Royal and just curious to know where it was in > relation to his house. > Thanks > > Carol > Florida > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1363 - Release Date: 04/07/2008 8:56 AM
Would anyone know the house number on Royal Street of the "Haunted House." One of my ancestors lived on Royal and just curious to know where it was in relation to his house. Thanks Carol Florida
I have a Starr in my family line...email me off list. Thanks, Betty
Lorraine, I have an Elisabeth K. Kron, who married a (unknown) Kern, (bef. 1877). She was born in New Orleans - 1860 died in N.O. 1925. Both her parents came from Bavaria. I don't have any information on the Kern whom she was married to. But, she was my great aunt. Do you have a Kern who was married to a Kron ? Betty