Hi Carolyn, I'm sorry my replies to your questions are so slow, but one of my dogs had surgery last week and, before I was finished nursing her back to health, another had to have surgery today! So, I've had my hands full lately (and sleep deprivation is causing me to move even more slowly than I usually do :-). I read about the slave revolt conspiracy at the site below. I neglected to include it in my original reply to Julie. The Louisiana Purchase: A Heritage Explored - An Online Educational Resource from LSU Libraries Special Collections: Historical Perspectives, 1682-1815 http://www.lib.lsu.edu/special/purchase/history.html You're so right about believing everything you read. Besides my own family research, I've spent hundreds of hours researching subjects for the Old New Orleans site and I can't tell you the number of times I've found as many as 3 or 4 (or more) stories purporting to be the "true story" about a neighborhood, a family or a landmark. We must all do the hard work of sifting through and verifying for ourselves. (One of my favorite expressions is, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts!") I hope this link will be helpful to you. It includes some citations you might be interested in pursuing. Nancy Nancy http://www.thepastwhispers.com/Old_New_Orleans.html -------------- Original message from "Carolyn Long" <carolynlong@earthlink.net>: -------------- > A piece of advice that many of you already know, and I don't mean to > preach, but don't believe everything you read on the web or even in a > serious history book. Once something, true or not, appears in print it is > accepted as truth, and gets repeated over and over. If you can possibly > find them, ALWAYS use primary documents: notarial acts, sacramental acts of > baptisms, marriages, and funerals, civil records of births, marriages, and > deaths, court cases, wills, successions, etc. > > A case in point is the web address > http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=755&p=surnames.lopez cited > below. This thing is riddled with mistakes. I've put the corrections in > brackets: > > Jose [his name was Ramon] Lopez y Angulo first married another Spaniard > whose last name was DE BORJA DE ENDERIS [Borja was her first name]. Upon > her death, he remarried, in his 50s [he was 35], a free woman of colour > from New Orleans (he was in New Orleans at the time representing the > Spanish Royal Order) named Mademoiselle MACARTY [he married Delphine > Macarty, who was not a woman of color]. She was the daughter of a military > official herself, Louis Barthelemy Chevalier DE MACARTY, a white > French-Creole born in New Orleans of noble blood and a free mulatresse > named Marie-Jeanne L'ERABLE [Delphine's mother was not a mulatress]. > > The two [Delphine and Ramon] bore one daughter, born in Cuba around 1800 > [early 1805], named Maria Francisca de Candelaria de BORJA LOPEZ Y ANGULO, > a free Octoroon (not sure what the Spanish distinguished her colour > as)[this child, like her parents, was white; her name was Maria Francisca > Borja Lopez y Angulo de Candelaria, and she was called Borja--yes, same as > her father's first wife]. The family returned to New Orleans shortly > thereafter [Ramon did not return to New Orleans, he died in Cuba], where > Francisca [Borja] married twice, first to Francois Placide FORSTAL, a white > French-Creole aristocrat, and secondly to Jean BLANQUE, an emigre of > France.[Borja indeed married Placide Forstall, but it was her mother, > Delphine, who married Jean Blanque after her first husband, Lopez y Angulo, > died] > > I tried all the links cited below, and I don't find anything about a slave > revolt conspiracy on the Bellechasse, Castantato, Mccarty, Lanusse and > Bienville plantations that was discovered before the revolt took place. I > really need to track down the source of this in order to prove or disprove > the persistant story that Delphine Macarty Lalaurie's mother was killed by > slaves. > > I'm afraid I'm boring the rest of the list with this, so please contact me > offline (carolynlong@earthlink.net). > > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Nancy > > To: > > Date: 04/06/2008 4:23:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] McCarty Plantation: Carolyn > > > > Hi Carolyn, > > I believe the links I included in my message for Julie have the > answers to > > your questions, but, about the slave revolt and Madam Lalaurie's slaves, > I tried > > to phrase it in a way so that readers would know the list I put forth was > a list > > of unrelated events and realize I intended no connection. Sometimes I > tend to > > over-explain...and it's worse than under-explaining. :-) > > The "slave revolt conspiracy" I mentioned, was a conspiracy only, > because > > the plot was discovered before the revolt took place, so I gather that > > it was probably neither of the revolts you named. I read that several > > plantations had slaves who were a part of this particular conspiracy: > > Bellechasse, Castantato, Mccarty, Laneusse and Bienville plantations. > > But, I've just started researching this family for a page on the > > Old New Orleans site, and I don't have as much knowledge about the family > as > > someone who's been doing indepth research on it for a family tree, so I > didn't > > know about the revolt and its rumored connection to Madame Lalaurie. I > mentioned > > Madame Lalaurie on this list of "notables" only because she was a member > of the > > Macarty family. > > I'm sorry I didn't do a good job of explaining the two Augustin's, but > the > > answer to your questions about both can be found here on the NOPL site: > > http://nutrias.org/info/louinfo/admins/macarty.htm > > Here are all of the links I included, so Julie and others could read > more of > > what I've found, so far: > > http://nutrias.org/info/louinfo/admins/macarty.htm > > http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=755&p=surnames.lopez > > http://www.metairie.com/history/racetrack.htm > > http://www.nola.com/forums/townhall/index.ssf?artid=234341 > > I hope this helps clear everything up! > > Nancy > > > > Nancy > > http://www.thepastwhispers.com/Old_New_Orleans.html > > > > > > Original message from "Carolyn Long" : > > > > > As I mentioned, I'm working on the Macarty family, and I have > questions about > > a > > > couple of statements posted by another member of this list: "one of > [the > > > Macarty] plantations was involved in the famous slave revolt > conspiracy of > > the > > > early 1800s" and "Augustin de Macarty’s son, Lewis Barthelemy > Macarty, served > > as > > > Secretary of State under Governor Claiborne in 1812." > > > > > > I'm especially interested in the idea that a slave revolt took place > on one > > of > > > the Macarty plantations, because this story keeps cropping up, with > the > > > implication that Delphine Macarty Lalaurie's cruelty to her slaves > was done > > in > > > revenge for her mother being killed by her own slaves during this > uprising. > > > Presumably the "famous slave revolt" referred to is the one that > occurred on > > > January 8, 1811, in St. Charles Parish above New Orleans. The revolt > was > > > organized by a mulatto from Saint-Domingue named Charles, slave of > the Widow > > > Deslondes, who was employed as a driver on the plantation of Manuel > Andry. > > The > > > Macartys, as far as I know, were not affected by this incident. > Delphine's > > > mother, Marie Jeanne Lerable, had died of natural causes on February > 26, > > 1807. I > > > think people may have confused the 1811 slave revolt and the 1807 > death of > > > Madame Macarty with the murder of Baptiste Césaire le Breton (husband > of > > > Delphine's father's sister Jeanne Françoise Macarty), who killed by > his s! > > > laves in 1771 on the uptown Macarty plantation that later became the > site of > > > the town of Carrollton. > > > > > > Regarding Augustin de Macarty--does the writer refer to Augustin > François > > > Macarty, who was mayor of New Orleans from 1815-1820, or to his > father, > > Augustin > > > Guillaume Macarty? Augustin François had several "natural" children > by free > > > women of color, but no "legitimate" children. Louis Barthelemy > Macarty was > > the > > > son of the Chevalier Louis Barthelemy Macarty, and was Delphine > Macarty > > > Lalaurie's brother. I believe it was Jean Baptiste Macarty who served > as a > > > government official under Claiborne. > > > > > > > > > --- Carolyn Long --- carolynlong@earthlink.net

Carol, There are numerous 19th-century photographs of New Orleans, but finding period photographs of specific addresses can be difficult. There are books with historic photographs of New Orleans. A book I purchased recently has some excellent photographs: NEW ORLEANS 1867: PHOTOGRAPHS OF THEODORE LILIENTHAL, by Gary Van Zante. You can read a review here: http://blog.nola.com/susanlarson/2008/02/the_way_we_were_new_orleans_in.html and see the Amazon info here: http://www.amazon.com/New-Orleans-1867-Gary-Zante/dp/1858942101/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1207692679&sr=8-1 Another recently published book is HISTORIC PHOTOS OF NEW ORLEANS, by Melissa Lee Smith. You can read a bit about it and see some sample photos here: http://www.amazon.com/Historic-Photos-Orleans-Melissa-Smith/dp/1596524057/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1207685186&sr=1-1 These books and others should be available through Interlibrary Loan. There are also numerous photographs online. I posted a list of links in 2004 here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/laorlean/2004-06/1087588914 I don't have time to check all the links, but here are a couple of changes. The Frank Gordon Collection of Vintage Photographs is now here: http://www.bergeronstudio.com/f_gordon/f_gordon.html and the LOUISiana Digital Library is now here: http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/ There are also pictures posted by contributors to this list: Nancy Brister's http://www.thepastwhispers.com/Old_New_Orleans Catherine Campanella's http://pontchartrain.net/templates/System/default.asp?id=40334 Regarding maps, there are a variety of maps of New Orleans, links to which can be found here: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~neworleans/ Detailed maps (showing individual structures) include the Robinson Atlas, published in 1883: http://www.notarialarchives.org/robinson/guide.htm and the Sanborn Insurance Maps. You can read about them here: http://nutrias.org/info/louinfo/sanbornindex/sanbornindex.htm and my 2006 message about accessing them online here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/LAORLEAN/2006-11/1162575775 You can read about converting pre-1894 addresses here: http://www.nutrias.org/info/louinfo/numberchanges/numberchanges.htm >From this website you can learn the current block number of an old address. You asked about 35 Galvez St. in 1864. Do you know if this was North or South Galvez? Do you know the District (1st or 2nd)? With that information you can use the above website to pin it down to a specific block. There has been some discussion about addresses on Royal Street. The lake side of Royal is included in the "Street rate slips, 1897." See: http://nutrias.org/info/louinfo/1897/1897.htm I hope some of this helps. Norm --- Carol Hustus <maranath@embarqmail.com> wrote: . . . > I'd like to know if there are more pictures and maps > available for the times > and places my family lived in New Orleans. Where > would I get them since I > live in Florida and limited funds don't allow me to > hop over to NOLA right now. ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com

Hello I am researching the ALL family In 1880 census it states Charles All 1840 Sweden Married to Dina Whipple 1873 Charles was a screwman by trade Died in 1909 Any information? Can not find immigration or naturalization No census on Charles or Dina before 1880 Charles is not listed in 1900 with family Betty

Please put me down for the spreadsheet too, thanks. Betty

I just found in my notes that an 1867 auction notice gave the address for the Lalaurie mansion, now 1140 Royal Street, as 282 Royal. That might help those of you who are trying to figure out where your ancestors lived. --- Carolyn Long --- carolynlong@earthlink.net

In California, they have started taking the copper out of the street lights, putting everyone in the dark.... I agree, the buyers should go to jail!!! No one to sell it to...they will stop taking it.

Makes a family proud, HUH!

I love Google maps. The only problem is that they can't show me the places my family lived because street names and numbers have changed since my folks were in New Orleans (1860 to 1940's) I haven't been able to find more recent connections other than one Wingerter cousin who has been very kind and helpful to me. I need to put "make a list of family addresses in New Orleans" on the top of my daily "to do" list! I would like to know how I can get more photo copies of all the addresses (as soon as I make that list!) I am sure the years they lived at each address will make a big difference in gaining knowledge of the homes or perhaps even streets. For instance, what would 35 Galvez St. in 1864 be now?? Carol Florida

I am researching the following families: Fayard Clade Gleber Graf Daverede Ehrich Bernard Vogel Kady/Cady Any help appreciated. George Turnipseed bgeot@bellsouth.net

I have Clade and Graf in my family here in New Orleans, La. Could we share? Judy Fisher ----- Original Message ----- From: <bgeot@bellsouth.net> To: "laorlean-l" <laorlean-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:51 AM Subject: [LAORLEAN] New Orleans families >I am researching the following families: > Fayard > Clade > Gleber > Graf > Daverede > Ehrich > Bernard > Vogel > Kady/Cady > Any help appreciated. > George Turnipseed > bgeot@bellsouth.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Please put me on the spread sheet.Thanks, Judy M. Fisher jzamboni@cox.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anita Curtis" <anitacurtis@surfree.com> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:51 AM Subject: [LAORLEAN] spreadsheet > > > Please put me on the spreadsheet. > > > > Thanks, Anita > > > > anitacurtis@surfree.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a Charles Eisler in my New Orleans, La.family. Have some information will share. Judy F. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Lorraine.Elliott@anu.edu.au> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call - Eisler > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: sgvjada@hotmail.comTo: rooneytoon29@earthlink.netSubject: RE: [LAORLEAN] To H*ll In A Handbasket (Vase)Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 10:29:56 -0500 I am horrified. Most because I am from St Bernard and Never knew of this. Thanks for the info, and I also blame the "buyers". Sally > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 08:19:08 -0500> From: rooneytoon29@earthlink.net> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LAORLEAN] To H*ll In A Handbasket (Vase)> > > > Two men booked in cemetery thefts> Tuesday, April 08, 2008> By Paul Rioux> St. Bernard bureau> > In a macabre twist on the rash of copper thefts that has plagued St. Bernard Parish since Hurricane Katrina, authorities arrested two men accused of stealing more than 200 brass flower vases from a Chalmette cemetery and selling them as scrap metal.> > "We've come a long way from the apocalyptic days after Katrina, but this is a sad reminder of just how low some people will go," Sheriff Jack Stephens said.> > The suspects allegedly sold most of the vases, which cost $600, to a scrap yard for $1.50 a pound, or about $25 each, sheriff's deputies said.> > Val Terry, 41, and Joseph Scorsone, 42, were arrested Saturday after sheriff's deputies found 98 vases in the back of Scorsone's pickup truck parked outside their Jupiter Drive home. The house is just a block from St. Bernard Memorial Gardens, where 223 vases were reported stolen in the past week, Stephens said.> > Cemetery groundskeeper Michael Kennedy called deputies Saturday about 6:45 a.m. after seeing a black pickup truck drive away from a spot in the back of the cemetery where several vases were lying on the ground.> > "I knew something was wrong because it's very unusual for someone to visit the cemetery that early," said Kennedy, who followed the pickup to a house at 3919 Jupiter Drive where deputies later arrested both suspects.> > Terry, who was found hiding under a bed, denied stealing the vases but said he had let a man use the pickup twice to steal copper, according to a police report. He was booked with 223 counts of desecrating a grave, which carries a penalty of up to six months in prison and a $500 fine for each count.> > Scorsone, who was booked with 98 counts of possession of stolen property, said he did not know how the vases got in the back of his pickup.> > A few days before the arrests, Kennedy had seen a man riding a bicycle through the cemetery wearing a bulging backpack.> > "We counted up the vases and found out we were missing quite a few," said Kennedy, who later identified the bicyclist as Terry in a police photo lineup.> > The recovered vases, which feature the names of the deceased on the bases, will be returned to their grave sites.> > Deputies said 125 vases remain missing and may have been sold to an illegal scrap yard in New Orleans.> > Since Katrina, St. Bernard has been hit hard by thieves stealing copper wire and piping from houses under renovation.> > "Thieves will target anything that is easy to steal and in an area that is for the most part vacant," Stephens said. "Who is policing a graveyard?"> > Vicki Labourdette noticed something was wrong when she visited the cemetery Monday afternoon to leave flowers for her father in an undisturbed concrete urn next to a crypt.> > "There's usually a whole row of brass vases right here, but now there's nothing," she said. "It's such a shame when thieves can't even leave dead people alone."> > . . . . . . .> > Paul Rioux can be reached at prioux@timespicayune.com or (504) 826-3321.> > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Pack up or back up–use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008

The police need to target the scrap metal dealers that are buying the vases.? Nothing is safe anymore.? In the Houston area they are striping homes, schools and churches of copper wiring and A/C tubing. Jan in S.E. TX -----Original Message----- From: peggy <rooneytoon29@earthlink.net> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 8:19 am Subject: [LAORLEAN] To H*ll In A Handbasket (Vase) Two men booked in cemetery thefts Tuesday, April 08, 2008 By Paul Rioux St. Bernard bureau In a macabre twist on the rash of copper thefts that has plagued St. Bernard Parish since Hurricane Katrina, authorities arrested two men accused of stealing more than 200 brass flower vases from a Chalmette cemetery and selling them as scrap metal. "We've come a long way from the apocalyptic days after Katrina, but this is a sad reminder of just how low some people will go," Sheriff Jack Stephens said. The suspects allegedly sold most of the vases, which cost $600, to a scrap yard for $1.50 a pound, or about $25 each, sheriff's deputies said. Val Terry, 41, and Joseph Scorsone, 42, were arrested Saturday after sheriff's deputies found 98 vases in the back of Scorsone's pickup truck parked outside their Jupiter Drive home. The house is just a block from St. Bernard Memorial Gardens, where 223 vases were reported stolen in the past week, Stephens said. Cemetery groundskeeper Michael Kennedy called deputies Saturday about 6:45 a.m. after seeing a black pickup truck drive away from a spot in the back of the cemetery where several vases were lying on the ground. "I knew something was wrong because it's very unusual for someone to visit the cemetery that early," said Kennedy, who followed the pickup to a house at 3919 Jupiter Drive where deputies later arrested both suspects. Terry, who was found hiding under a bed, denied stealing the vases but said he had let a man use the pickup twice to steal copper, according to a police report. He was booked with 223 counts of desecrating a grave, which carries a penalty of up to six months in prison and a $500 fine for each count. Scorsone, who was booked with 98 counts of possession of stolen property, said he did not know how the vases got in the back of his pickup. A few days before the arrests, Kennedy had seen a man riding a bicycle through the cemetery wearing a bulging backpack. "We counted up the vases and found out we were missing quite a few," said Kennedy, who later identified the bicyclist as Terry in a police photo lineup. The recovered vases, which feature the names of the deceased on the bases, will be returned to their grave sites. Deputies said 125 vases remain missing and may have been sold to an illegal scrap yard in New Orleans. Since Katrina, St. Bernard has been hit hard by thieves stealing copper wire and piping from houses under renovation. "Thieves will target anything that is easy to steal and in an area that is for the most part vacant," Stephens said. "Who is policing a graveyard?" Vicki Labourdette noticed something was wrong when she visited the cemetery Monday afternoon to leave flowers for her father in an undisturbed concrete urn next to a crypt. "There's usually a whole row of brass vases right here, but now there's nothing," she said. "It's such a shame when thieves can't even leave dead people alone." . . . . . . . Paul Rioux can be reached at prioux@timespicayune.com or (504) 826-3321. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please put me on the spreadsheet: Federico Leone edgehanger@insightbb.com Jennefer Woods ----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Pluche <hpluche@sbcglobal.net> Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 7:10 Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Spreadsheet To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > > Please put me on the Spreadsheet list. Thank you! > > Helen Pluche > hpluche@sbcglobal.net > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Wouldn't it be really interesting if there was a central someone we could all send our old New Orleans pictures to, and who would be interested in putting them in a book.... especially if we included stories with the pictures. What an incredible book that would be of old New Orleans! Sue **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)

I think that this tops the "LOW as a snake's belly" criteria. -------Original Message------- From: peggy Date: 4/8/2008 9:20:02 AM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] To H*ll In A Handbasket (Vase) Two men booked in cemetery thefts Tuesday, April 08, 2008 By Paul Rioux St. Bernard bureau In a macabre twist on the rash of copper thefts that has plagued St. Bernard Parish since Hurricane Katrina, authorities arrested two men accused of stealing more than 200 brass flower vases from a Chalmette cemetery and selling them as scrap metal. "We've come a long way from the apocalyptic days after Katrina, but this is a sad reminder of just how low some people will go," Sheriff Jack Stephens said. The suspects allegedly sold most of the vases, which cost $600, to a scrap yard for $1.50 a pound, or about $25 each, sheriff's deputies said. Val Terry, 41, and Joseph Scorsone, 42, were arrested Saturday after sheriff s deputies found 98 vases in the back of Scorsone's pickup truck parked outside their Jupiter Drive home. The house is just a block from St. Bernard Memorial Gardens, where 223 vases were reported stolen in the past week, Stephens said. Cemetery groundskeeper Michael Kennedy called deputies Saturday about 6:45 a m. after seeing a black pickup truck drive away from a spot in the back of the cemetery where several vases were lying on the ground. "I knew something was wrong because it's very unusual for someone to visit the cemetery that early," said Kennedy, who followed the pickup to a house at 3919 Jupiter Drive where deputies later arrested both suspects. Terry, who was found hiding under a bed, denied stealing the vases but said he had let a man use the pickup twice to steal copper, according to a police report. He was booked with 223 counts of desecrating a grave, which carries a penalty of up to six months in prison and a $500 fine for each count. Scorsone, who was booked with 98 counts of possession of stolen property, said he did not know how the vases got in the back of his pickup. A few days before the arrests, Kennedy had seen a man riding a bicycle through the cemetery wearing a bulging backpack. "We counted up the vases and found out we were missing quite a few," said Kennedy, who later identified the bicyclist as Terry in a police photo lineup. The recovered vases, which feature the names of the deceased on the bases, will be returned to their grave sites. Deputies said 125 vases remain missing and may have been sold to an illegal scrap yard in New Orleans. Since Katrina, St. Bernard has been hit hard by thieves stealing copper wire and piping from houses under renovation. "Thieves will target anything that is easy to steal and in an area that is for the most part vacant," Stephens said. "Who is policing a graveyard?" Vicki Labourdette noticed something was wrong when she visited the cemetery Monday afternoon to leave flowers for her father in an undisturbed concrete urn next to a crypt. "There's usually a whole row of brass vases right here, but now there's nothing," she said. "It's such a shame when thieves can't even leave dead people alone." . . . . . . . Paul Rioux can be reached at prioux@timespicayune.com or (504) 826-3321. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OK, I'll give it a try. John Austin TX -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Alfonso-Beddows Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:59 AM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] Google Maps - My maps It's a free feature. The 'My maps' tab is next to the 'search results' tab. Do your first find then save it to 'My maps'. ----- Original Message ---- From: John Graff <j.graff@sbcglobal.net> To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 9:30:53 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] alfonso.beddows@yahoo.com sent this to you using GoogleMaps: A Google Maps link This is neat. Is this a free feature of Google Maps? Is it a feature that you subscribe to in Google Maps? John Austin, TX -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of noreply@google.com Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 11:10 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] alfonso.beddows@yahoo.com sent this to you using GoogleMaps: A Google Maps link Carol Hustus asked 'Has anyone ever got around to listing their street addresses for more information?' Readers may be interested in the Google Maps 'My Maps' that I have been putting together as I find information about my ancestors. It is a work in progress, and there may be inaccuracies, but I share it with you for whatever it is worth. Chris Beddows Malaysia Link: <http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=1006364183949097919 35.000001132fa4e5dea4c72&ll=29.958281,-90.069276&spn=0.006191,0.010042&z=17> This email was sent to you by a user on Google Maps (maps.google.com) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I blame the "scrap metal company" employees and/or owner as well as the thieves for accepting/paying for the copper in the vases. They had to know by the quantity of vases they were stolen. I also believe more prison time should be given - get those people off the streets. Thank you for letting us know, Peggy. My family vases are of marble so I feel safe they will not be distrubed. peggy wrote: > Two men booked in cemetery thefts > Tuesday, April 08, 2008 > By Paul Rioux > St. Bernard bureau > > In a macabre twist on the rash of copper thefts that has plagued St. Bernard Parish since Hurricane Katrina, authorities arrested two men accused of stealing more than 200 brass flower vases from a Chalmette cemetery and selling them as scrap metal. > > "We've come a long way from the apocalyptic days after Katrina, but this is a sad reminder of just how low some people will go," Sheriff Jack Stephens said. > > The suspects allegedly sold most of the vases, which cost $600, to a scrap yard for $1.50 a pound, or about $25 each, sheriff's deputies said. > > Val Terry, 41, and Joseph Scorsone, 42, were arrested Saturday after sheriff's deputies found 98 vases in the back of Scorsone's pickup truck parked outside their Jupiter Drive home. The house is just a block from St. Bernard Memorial Gardens, where 223 vases were reported stolen in the past week, Stephens said. > > Cemetery groundskeeper Michael Kennedy called deputies Saturday about 6:45 a.m. after seeing a black pickup truck drive away from a spot in the back of the cemetery where several vases were lying on the ground. > > "I knew something was wrong because it's very unusual for someone to visit the cemetery that early," said Kennedy, who followed the pickup to a house at 3919 Jupiter Drive where deputies later arrested both suspects. > > Terry, who was found hiding under a bed, denied stealing the vases but said he had let a man use the pickup twice to steal copper, according to a police report. He was booked with 223 counts of desecrating a grave, which carries a penalty of up to six months in prison and a $500 fine for each count. > > Scorsone, who was booked with 98 counts of possession of stolen property, said he did not know how the vases got in the back of his pickup. > > A few days before the arrests, Kennedy had seen a man riding a bicycle through the cemetery wearing a bulging backpack. > > "We counted up the vases and found out we were missing quite a few," said Kennedy, who later identified the bicyclist as Terry in a police photo lineup. > > The recovered vases, which feature the names of the deceased on the bases, will be returned to their grave sites. > > Deputies said 125 vases remain missing and may have been sold to an illegal scrap yard in New Orleans. > > Since Katrina, St. Bernard has been hit hard by thieves stealing copper wire and piping from houses under renovation. > > "Thieves will target anything that is easy to steal and in an area that is for the most part vacant," Stephens said. "Who is policing a graveyard?" > > Vicki Labourdette noticed something was wrong when she visited the cemetery Monday afternoon to leave flowers for her father in an undisturbed concrete urn next to a crypt. > > "There's usually a whole row of brass vases right here, but now there's nothing," she said. "It's such a shame when thieves can't even leave dead people alone." > > . . . . . . . > > Paul Rioux can be reached at prioux@timespicayune.com or (504) 826-3321. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >