I must have missed it Judy. Could you send it to me off list. Thank you for the URL. Penny Original Message ----- From: "Judy Riffel" <riffelj@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Bill Stafford It is here: http://www.sos.louisiana.gov/tabid/638/Default.aspx And for the record, the information I posted was entirely true. Judy Riffel Baton Rouge Original Message ----- > From: <PaulaRandazzo@aol.com> > Bill Stafford's message about their indexing, on what site will these be > located?

I don't know. I wrote to him to find out but have not heard anything yet. penny ----- Original Message ----- From: <PaulaRandazzo@aol.com> Subject: [LAORLEAN] Bill Stafford Bill Stafford's message about their indexing, on what site will these be located?

yep, sure do CUCCIA and CALAMUSA thanks, Rita Penny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita" <ersatzrat@yahoo.com> To: "LAORLEAN list" <LAORLEAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: [LAORLEAN] Diocese of Baton Rouge Hey Penny The last book for Diocese of Baton Rouge I have is 1899-1900 (vol 22). Need a lookup? Rita T. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WestBankGenealogySociety ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.10/1421 - Release Date: 5/7/2008 5:23 PM

It is here: http://www.sos.louisiana.gov/tabid/638/Default.aspx And for the record, the information I posted was entirely true. Judy Riffel Baton Rouge ----- Original Message ----- From: "PB Delery" <dmjjsmecm@carolina.rr.com> To: <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Bill Stafford >I don't know. I wrote to him to find out but have not heard anything yet. > > penny > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <PaulaRandazzo@aol.com> > Subject: [LAORLEAN] Bill Stafford > Bill Stafford's message about their indexing, on what site will these be > located? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

How do you use this website. I found where you put in what you are searching for, but don't understand where to go from there. Nothing else appears. I am trying to locate my Grandparents (Edward Johnston & Marguerite Arnoult) marriage certificate. I don't know what year they were married but do know it was sometime before 1944. Judy Riffel <riffelj@bellsouth.net> wrote: It is here: http://www.sos.louisiana.gov/tabid/638/Default.aspx And for the record, the information I posted was entirely true. Judy Riffel Baton Rouge ----- Original Message ----- From: "PB Delery" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Bill Stafford >I don't know. I wrote to him to find out but have not heard anything yet. > > penny > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Subject: [LAORLEAN] Bill Stafford > Bill Stafford's message about their indexing, on what site will these be > located? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Thanks in advance, Tami Johnston New Orleans, LA JOHNSTON/HOFFMAN/KEISSEL/HOERNER/ZWEIFEL/USNER/ELWELL/DOCLAR/WEISHEIMER/HUCKINS/ and many many more VISIT MY SITES AT: http://johnstonfamily.tribalpages.com http://arnoultfamily.tribalpages.com --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

Dear List, Just wanted you to know about this great new thing I found on EBAY. Aaron's Book from Salem, Ohio is offering reprints from individual parishes containing information obtained from the 1902 R.G. Dun Mercantile Agency Reference Book ( Precursor to Dun and Bradstreet). It lists all the merchants and tradesmen in a particular Parish ( except New Orleans, which is listed by itself as a city ), and includes what type of establishment it was, the net worth and its credit worthiness. I just received the one for Avoyelles Parish, and was astonished to see its completeness including people's whose business was worth less than $500. I have just ordered ones for St. Landry and Rapides Parishes, and New Orleans. The item reference number for New Orleans 1902 R.G. Dun is 5659782236 , or go to the Draft Harness and Directory Store on Ebay. There are booklets for many other parishes as well as counties in other states. The New Orleans Directory is $27.99 plus $2.50 S & H. I am in no way connected to these people financially, but just thought I'd share this wonderful genealogical resource. The R.G. Dun books are only in a very few libraries. Carol Mills

I hope these emails get back on genealogy track. As a devout Catholic I'm more than a little uncomfortable with the comments about my Pope and would like to see us move on to another topic. -----Original Message----- From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Strickland Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 11:47 AM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Vatican - Mormons Kathleen, I agree with you, there are some really tough things going on in the world, maybe the Pope should work them out first. Jan S - Orland, FL -------Original Message------- From: Kathleen Wieland Date: 5/6/2008 11:23:31 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Vatican - Mormons Some of my Swiss ancestors have been "rebaptized" by the LDS Church, but somehow it has never bothered me. The practice is so far from my and my ancestors' religious beliefs, it simply signifies nothing to me. It is meaningless. I feel it is unfortunate that the RC Church now plans to "hoard" its records (and keep them away from US) in response to something that should not be perceived as a threat. There are enough real problems in this world, that I would think the Pope would do better to focus on those. Kathleen in Connecticut, by way of New Orleans ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kathleen, I agree with you, there are some really tough things going on in the world, maybe the Pope should work them out first. Jan S - Orland, FL -------Original Message------- From: Kathleen Wieland Date: 5/6/2008 11:23:31 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Vatican - Mormons Some of my Swiss ancestors have been "rebaptized" by the LDS Church, but somehow it has never bothered me. The practice is so far from my and my ancestors' religious beliefs, it simply signifies nothing to me. It is meaningless. I feel it is unfortunate that the RC Church now plans to "hoard" its records (and keep them away from US) in response to something that should not be perceived as a threat. There are enough real problems in this world, that I would think the Pope would do better to focus on those. Kathleen in Connecticut, by way of New Orleans

What is the site that we used to find information in an obit? We could type in the surname and it would give us birth, death, marriage, and obits which contained this surname. Thanks for any help. Judy Fisher ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darnell Brunner" <darnellbrunner@hotmail.com> To: "LaOrleansMailingList" <laorlean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 10:39 AM Subject: [LAORLEAN] We Moved & follow ups to other emails > Hey All > > This is another update for those who missed it. > > US Gen Web Archives has moved. We Thank rootsweb all these years for the > space, but as a group we feel we are old enough now to get on our own two > feet and move to our own space. Hey who doesn't love rootsweb. I use them > all the time for the SS# index and their obit index pages. They might have > something We don't have or if it is out of town papers and I am not sure > where they are, I can always check them. > > The move includes all state and county (parish) archive pages. > Orleans Parish is at > http://www.usgwarchives.org/la/orleans.htm > Jefferson Parish > http://www.usgwarchives.org/la/jefferso.htm > All of Louisiana > http://www.usgwarchives.org/la/lafiles.htm > > Right now the search engine is NOT working. They had so many at once on it > that the new server could not handle it. So the smart people are building > a > new one. This takes awhile doing all the programming, then after it is > built > they have to feed the info into the search engines. which means basically > is > that the search engine has to read each file in the archives and memorize > it. > > This is why google still picks up rootsweb sites in their search engines. > They are programmed to read once a month or so, but their search engine > reads every website out there that is free to the public. So until the > engines catch up with themselves and us, there is NO search engine right > now. > > One more last thing. 1. Links are broke, 2. some things haven't been > linked > yet, 3. search engines don't work. I have gotten all those emails, I am > just > not answering them one by one. I am doing it here right now. > > 1. Plenty of links are broke, I am still going through them to make sure > they all go to the new ftp site and not rootsweb. Some one did do a find > and > replace, but like everything in life it isn't 100% perfect. > > 2. Things haven't been linked. That's all me, I have been in a depression > since having to move from my hometown after Katrina and not even a year > later my father died. That one hit me like a ton of bricks and I have been > trying to pull myself out of the dumps. Some days are better then others. > Plus my 20 year old child. Some people know and some don't but he is the > kid > you warn your kids to stay away from. I have tried everything but taking > him > out this world. But as Postal as I feel this days, I just might, I brought > him into the world and I can take him out of it. > > 3. Search engines, see above answer again > > > Darnell Marie Brunner Beck > {Dee} > "The Woman who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything." > Edward J Phelps > 1822 - 1900 > Orleans Parish Archives > http://www.usgwarchives.org/la/orleans.htm > My Home Page > http://members.cox.net/darnellmbrunner/home.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with you, Barbara. To each his own - enough said. Merle Short, Barbara B *HS wrote: > I hope these emails get back on genealogy track. As a devout Catholic I'm more than a little uncomfortable with the comments about my Pope and would like to see us move on to another topic. > > -----Original Message----- > From: laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:laorlean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Strickland > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 11:47 AM > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Vatican - Mormons > > Kathleen, > I agree with you, there are some really tough things going on in the world, maybe the Pope should work them out first. > > Jan S - Orland, FL > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Kathleen Wieland > Date: 5/6/2008 11:23:31 PM > To: laorlean@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Vatican - Mormons > > Some of my Swiss ancestors have been "rebaptized" by the LDS Church, but somehow it has never bothered me. The practice is so far from my and my ancestors' religious beliefs, it simply signifies nothing to me. It is meaningless. > > I feel it is unfortunate that the RC Church now plans to "hoard" its records (and keep them away from US) in response to something that should not be perceived as a threat. There are enough real problems in this world, that I would think the Pope would do better to focus on those. > > Kathleen > in Connecticut, by way of New Orleans > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hey Penny The last book for Diocese of Baton Rouge I have is 1899-1900 (vol 22). Need a lookup? Rita T. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WestBankGenealogySociety ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

    Dear List, Not wanting to get into a religious debate, nor to become a religious pariah to this list, that I enjoy so much, I feel the need to comment. First of all, I was born Catholic, went to Catholic school, the whole works....  When I was in my early teens, my Mother was diagnosed with M.S. As she was extrememly depressed ,my Grandmother {a Lutheran}, invited our Parrish priest to our home to reassure my Mother. I can't recall his name, but he was from Our Lady Of Lourdes in the mid 70's. Anyway, he told my mother that she had contracted M.S. because of a mortal sin that she had committed. I didn't believe that then, nor do I now. My point is we all believe and interpet whatever faith we belong to in our own way. If someone of another faith, {or our own for that matter} finds peace in a ceremony or an opinion that you or I do not believe in, it can not hurt us, nor can it hurt our ancestors. It is unimaginable that heaven is segregated in the same predjudices that we find here on earth. As for the Catholic "Royals" they have been re-interpeting and withholding information for their own selfish reasons since the beginning of their reign and this is just another excuse to wield their power over the world. Penny T ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Don't worry about your ancestors who have been "baptised" by Mormons. Mormon baptism is phony baloney. Your ancestors have already been saved by their faith in Jesus Christ. They do not become Mormon after death. They are safe in heaven in the arms of Jesus. The Catholic Church has been withholding records for a long time, and it is a major problem for genealogists. If they really believe Mormon baptisms are worthless, as I believe, they would not be afraid to release the baptismal records. The Mormons can not hurt dead people. But their willingness to believe that humans can save other humans misses the central message of the Gospel - Jesus Christ is our Savior, and we are saved by our faith in Jesus Christ, not by a posthumous baptism. Living persons who believe in these posthumous baptisms are missing out by encouraging self-righousness and self-salvation, instead of salvation in the rightousness of Jesus. Sharon Centanne PB Delery wrote: >Thanks Jan. This has happened to some of my ancestors. > >Penny > > > >In case some haven't seen this from Catholic News Service, I'm copying it >to the list. Jan D. > >VATICAN-MORMONS May-2-2008 (1,010 words) xxxn > >Vatican letter directs bishops to keep parish records from Mormons > >By Chaz Muth >Catholic News Service > >WASHINGTON (CNS) -- In an effort to block posthumous rebaptisms by the >Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Catholic dioceses throughout >the world have been directed by the Vatican not to give information in >parish registers to the Mormons' Genealogical Society of Utah. > >An April 5 letter from the Vatican Congregation for Clergy, obtained by >Catholic News Service in late April, asks episcopal conferences to direct >all bishops to keep the Latter-day Saints from microfilming and digitizing >information contained in those registers. > >The order came in light of "grave reservations" expressed in a Jan. 29 >letter from the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the >clergy congregation's letter said. > >Father James Massa, executive director of the U.S. bishops' Secretariat of >Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs, said the step was taken to prevent >the Latter-day Saints from using records -- such as baptismal documentation >-- to posthumously baptize by proxy the ancestors of church members. > >Posthumous baptisms by proxy have been a common practice for the Latter-day >Saints -- commonly known as Mormons -- for more than a century, allowing >the church's faithful to have their ancestors baptized into their faith so >they may be united in the afterlife, said Mike Otterson, a spokesman in the >church's Salt Lake City headquarters. > >In a telephone interview with CNS May 1, Otterson said he wanted a chance >to review the contents of the letter before commenting on how it will >affect the Mormons' relationship with the Catholic Church. > >"This dicastery is bringing this matter to the attention of the various >conferences of bishops," the letter reads. "The congregation requests that >the conference notifies each diocesan bishop in order to ensure that such a >detrimental practice is not permitted in his territory, due to the >confidentiality of the faithful and so as not to cooperate with the >erroneous practices of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." > >The letter is dated 10 days before Pope Benedict XVI's April 15-20 U.S. >visit, during which he presided over an ecumenical prayer service attended >by two Mormon leaders. It marked the first time Mormons had participated in >a papal prayer service. > >Father Massa said he could see how the policy stated in the letter could >strain relations between the Catholic Church and the Latter-day Saints. > >"It certainly has that potential," he said. "But I would also say that the >purpose of interreligious dialogue is not to only identify agreements, but >also to understand our differences. As Catholics, we have to make very >clear to them their practice of so-called rebaptism is unacceptable from >the standpoint of Catholic truth." > >The Catholic Church will eventually open a dialogue with the Mormons about >the rebaptism issue, Father Massa said, "but we are at the beginning of the >beginning of a new relationship with the LDS. The first step in any >dialogue is to establish trust and to seek friendship." > >The two faiths share intrinsic viewpoints on key issues the United States >is facing, particularly the pro-life position on abortion and an opposition >to same-sex marriage. > >However, theological differences have cropped up between Mormons and >Catholics in the past. > >In 2001 the Vatican's doctrinal congregation issued a ruling that baptism >conferred by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints cannot be >considered a valid Christian baptism, thus requiring converts from that >religion to Catholicism to receive a Catholic baptism. > >"We don't have an issue with the fact that the Catholic Church doesn't >recognize our baptisms, because we don't recognize theirs," Otterson said. >"It's a difference of belief." > >When issuing its 2001 ruling, the Vatican said that even though the Mormon >baptismal rite refers to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the church's >beliefs about the identity of the three persons are so different from >Catholic and mainline Christian belief that the rite cannot be regarded as >a Christian baptism. > >Latter-day Saints regard Jesus and the Holy Spirit as children of the >Father and the Heavenly Mother. They believe that baptism was instituted by >the Father, not Christ, and that it goes back to Adam and Eve. > >Msgr. J. Terrence Fitzgerald -- vicar general of the Diocese of Salt Lake >City -- said he didn't understand why the Latter-day Saints church was >singled out in this latest Vatican policy regarding parish records. > >"We have a policy not to give out baptismal records to anyone unless they >are entitled to have them," Msgr. Fitzgerald said of his diocese. "That >isn't just for the Church of the Latter-day Saints. That is for all >groups." > >Though he said the Salt Lake City Diocese has enjoyed a long-standing >dialogue with the Latter-day Saints, Msgr. Fitzgerald said the diocese does >not support giving the Mormons names for the sake of rebaptism. > >Mormons have been criticized by several other faiths -- perhaps most >passionately by the Jews -- for the church's practice of posthumous >baptism. > >Members of the Latter-day Saints believe baptizing their ancestors by proxy >gives the dead an opportunity to embrace the faith in the afterlife. The >actual baptism-by-proxy ceremony occurs in a Mormon temple, and is intended >to wash sins away for the commencement of church membership. > >Jewish leaders have called the practice arrogant and said it is >disrespectful to the dead, especially Holocaust victims. > >"Baptism by proxy is a fundamentally important doctrine of the Latter-day >Saints," Otterson said. "We have cooperative relationships with churches, >governments -- both state and national -- going back to the last century. >Our practice of negotiating for records and making them available for >genealogical research is very well known." > >Father Massa said he is not aware of aggressive attempts to obtain >baptismal records at Catholic parishes in any of the U.S. dioceses. > >He also said the Catholic Church will continue to reach out to the Mormons >and carry on the efforts of understanding that have already begun, >especially in Salt Lake City. > >"Profound theological differences are not an excuse for avoiding dialogue, >but a reason for pursuing dialogue," Father Massa said. > >END > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- >Copyright (c) 2008 Catholic News Service/USCCB. All rights reserved. >This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise >distributed. >CNS · 3211 Fourth St NE · Washington DC 20017 · 202.541.3250 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Some of my Swiss ancestors have been "rebaptized" by the LDS Church, but somehow it has never bothered me. The practice is so far from my and my ancestors' religious beliefs, it simply signifies nothing to me. It is meaningless. I feel it is unfortunate that the RC Church now plans to "hoard" its records (and keep them away from US) in response to something that should not be perceived as a threat. There are enough real problems in this world, that I would think the Pope would do better to focus on those. Kathleen in Connecticut, by way of New Orleans -------------- Original message -------------- From: "PB Delery" <dmjjsmecm@carolina.rr.com> > > Thanks Jan. This has happened to some of my ancestors. > > Penny > > > In case some haven't seen this from Catholic News Service, I'm copying it > to the list. Jan D. > > VATICAN-MORMONS May-2-2008 (1,010 words) xxxn > > Vatican letter directs bishops to keep parish records from Mormons >

How dare the Mormons "rebaptized" our ancestors? I am quite sure that none of my ancestors would want this done to them. If this is the practice of the LDS and their reason for collecting genealogy records, then all government's and religious organizations should deny access to any records. All genealogists should write letters to the LDS condemning this practice and let them know just how offensive this blasphemy is. Robert

What is the date range for the last book published by the Archdiocese of Baton Rouge? Penny

Thanks Jan. This has happened to some of my ancestors. Penny In case some haven't seen this from Catholic News Service, I'm copying it to the list. Jan D. VATICAN-MORMONS May-2-2008 (1,010 words) xxxn Vatican letter directs bishops to keep parish records from Mormons By Chaz Muth Catholic News Service WASHINGTON (CNS) -- In an effort to block posthumous rebaptisms by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Catholic dioceses throughout the world have been directed by the Vatican not to give information in parish registers to the Mormons' Genealogical Society of Utah. An April 5 letter from the Vatican Congregation for Clergy, obtained by Catholic News Service in late April, asks episcopal conferences to direct all bishops to keep the Latter-day Saints from microfilming and digitizing information contained in those registers. The order came in light of "grave reservations" expressed in a Jan. 29 letter from the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the clergy congregation's letter said. Father James Massa, executive director of the U.S. bishops' Secretariat of Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs, said the step was taken to prevent the Latter-day Saints from using records -- such as baptismal documentation -- to posthumously baptize by proxy the ancestors of church members. Posthumous baptisms by proxy have been a common practice for the Latter-day Saints -- commonly known as Mormons -- for more than a century, allowing the church's faithful to have their ancestors baptized into their faith so they may be united in the afterlife, said Mike Otterson, a spokesman in the church's Salt Lake City headquarters. In a telephone interview with CNS May 1, Otterson said he wanted a chance to review the contents of the letter before commenting on how it will affect the Mormons' relationship with the Catholic Church. "This dicastery is bringing this matter to the attention of the various conferences of bishops," the letter reads. "The congregation requests that the conference notifies each diocesan bishop in order to ensure that such a detrimental practice is not permitted in his territory, due to the confidentiality of the faithful and so as not to cooperate with the erroneous practices of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." The letter is dated 10 days before Pope Benedict XVI's April 15-20 U.S. visit, during which he presided over an ecumenical prayer service attended by two Mormon leaders. It marked the first time Mormons had participated in a papal prayer service. Father Massa said he could see how the policy stated in the letter could strain relations between the Catholic Church and the Latter-day Saints. "It certainly has that potential," he said. "But I would also say that the purpose of interreligious dialogue is not to only identify agreements, but also to understand our differences. As Catholics, we have to make very clear to them their practice of so-called rebaptism is unacceptable from the standpoint of Catholic truth." The Catholic Church will eventually open a dialogue with the Mormons about the rebaptism issue, Father Massa said, "but we are at the beginning of the beginning of a new relationship with the LDS. The first step in any dialogue is to establish trust and to seek friendship." The two faiths share intrinsic viewpoints on key issues the United States is facing, particularly the pro-life position on abortion and an opposition to same-sex marriage. However, theological differences have cropped up between Mormons and Catholics in the past. In 2001 the Vatican's doctrinal congregation issued a ruling that baptism conferred by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints cannot be considered a valid Christian baptism, thus requiring converts from that religion to Catholicism to receive a Catholic baptism. "We don't have an issue with the fact that the Catholic Church doesn't recognize our baptisms, because we don't recognize theirs," Otterson said. "It's a difference of belief." When issuing its 2001 ruling, the Vatican said that even though the Mormon baptismal rite refers to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the church's beliefs about the identity of the three persons are so different from Catholic and mainline Christian belief that the rite cannot be regarded as a Christian baptism. Latter-day Saints regard Jesus and the Holy Spirit as children of the Father and the Heavenly Mother. They believe that baptism was instituted by the Father, not Christ, and that it goes back to Adam and Eve. Msgr. J. Terrence Fitzgerald -- vicar general of the Diocese of Salt Lake City -- said he didn't understand why the Latter-day Saints church was singled out in this latest Vatican policy regarding parish records. "We have a policy not to give out baptismal records to anyone unless they are entitled to have them," Msgr. Fitzgerald said of his diocese. "That isn't just for the Church of the Latter-day Saints. That is for all groups." Though he said the Salt Lake City Diocese has enjoyed a long-standing dialogue with the Latter-day Saints, Msgr. Fitzgerald said the diocese does not support giving the Mormons names for the sake of rebaptism. Mormons have been criticized by several other faiths -- perhaps most passionately by the Jews -- for the church's practice of posthumous baptism. Members of the Latter-day Saints believe baptizing their ancestors by proxy gives the dead an opportunity to embrace the faith in the afterlife. The actual baptism-by-proxy ceremony occurs in a Mormon temple, and is intended to wash sins away for the commencement of church membership. Jewish leaders have called the practice arrogant and said it is disrespectful to the dead, especially Holocaust victims. "Baptism by proxy is a fundamentally important doctrine of the Latter-day Saints," Otterson said. "We have cooperative relationships with churches, governments -- both state and national -- going back to the last century. Our practice of negotiating for records and making them available for genealogical research is very well known." Father Massa said he is not aware of aggressive attempts to obtain baptismal records at Catholic parishes in any of the U.S. dioceses. He also said the Catholic Church will continue to reach out to the Mormons and carry on the efforts of understanding that have already begun, especially in Salt Lake City. "Profound theological differences are not an excuse for avoiding dialogue, but a reason for pursuing dialogue," Father Massa said. END ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Copyright (c) 2008 Catholic News Service/USCCB. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed. CNS · 3211 Fourth St NE · Washington DC 20017 · 202.541.3250

In case some haven't seen this from Catholic News Service, I'm copying it to the list. Jan D. VATICAN-MORMONS May-2-2008 (1,010 words) xxxn Vatican letter directs bishops to keep parish records from Mormons By Chaz Muth Catholic News Service WASHINGTON (CNS) -- In an effort to block posthumous rebaptisms by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Catholic dioceses throughout the world have been directed by the Vatican not to give information in parish registers to the Mormons' Genealogical Society of Utah. An April 5 letter from the Vatican Congregation for Clergy, obtained by Catholic News Service in late April, asks episcopal conferences to direct all bishops to keep the Latter-day Saints from microfilming and digitizing information contained in those registers. The order came in light of "grave reservations" expressed in a Jan. 29 letter from the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the clergy congregation's letter said. Father James Massa, executive director of the U.S. bishops' Secretariat of Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs, said the step was taken to prevent the Latter-day Saints from using records -- such as baptismal documentation -- to posthumously baptize by proxy the ancestors of church members. Posthumous baptisms by proxy have been a common practice for the Latter-day Saints -- commonly known as Mormons -- for more than a century, allowing the church's faithful to have their ancestors baptized into their faith so they may be united in the afterlife, said Mike Otterson, a spokesman in the church's Salt Lake City headquarters. In a telephone interview with CNS May 1, Otterson said he wanted a chance to review the contents of the letter before commenting on how it will affect the Mormons' relationship with the Catholic Church. "This dicastery is bringing this matter to the attention of the various conferences of bishops," the letter reads. "The congregation requests that the conference notifies each diocesan bishop in order to ensure that such a detrimental practice is not permitted in his territory, due to the confidentiality of the faithful and so as not to cooperate with the erroneous practices of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." The letter is dated 10 days before Pope Benedict XVI's April 15-20 U.S. visit, during which he presided over an ecumenical prayer service attended by two Mormon leaders. It marked the first time Mormons had participated in a papal prayer service. Father Massa said he could see how the policy stated in the letter could strain relations between the Catholic Church and the Latter-day Saints. "It certainly has that potential," he said. "But I would also say that the purpose of interreligious dialogue is not to only identify agreements, but also to understand our differences. As Catholics, we have to make very clear to them their practice of so-called rebaptism is unacceptable from the standpoint of Catholic truth." The Catholic Church will eventually open a dialogue with the Mormons about the rebaptism issue, Father Massa said, "but we are at the beginning of the beginning of a new relationship with the LDS. The first step in any dialogue is to establish trust and to seek friendship." The two faiths share intrinsic viewpoints on key issues the United States is facing, particularly the pro-life position on abortion and an opposition to same-sex marriage. However, theological differences have cropped up between Mormons and Catholics in the past. In 2001 the Vatican's doctrinal congregation issued a ruling that baptism conferred by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints cannot be considered a valid Christian baptism, thus requiring converts from that religion to Catholicism to receive a Catholic baptism. "We don't have an issue with the fact that the Catholic Church doesn't recognize our baptisms, because we don't recognize theirs," Otterson said. "It's a difference of belief." When issuing its 2001 ruling, the Vatican said that even though the Mormon baptismal rite refers to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the church's beliefs about the identity of the three persons are so different from Catholic and mainline Christian belief that the rite cannot be regarded as a Christian baptism. Latter-day Saints regard Jesus and the Holy Spirit as children of the Father and the Heavenly Mother. They believe that baptism was instituted by the Father, not Christ, and that it goes back to Adam and Eve. Msgr. J. Terrence Fitzgerald -- vicar general of the Diocese of Salt Lake City -- said he didn't understand why the Latter-day Saints church was singled out in this latest Vatican policy regarding parish records. "We have a policy not to give out baptismal records to anyone unless they are entitled to have them," Msgr. Fitzgerald said of his diocese. "That isn't just for the Church of the Latter-day Saints. That is for all groups." Though he said the Salt Lake City Diocese has enjoyed a long-standing dialogue with the Latter-day Saints, Msgr. Fitzgerald said the diocese does not support giving the Mormons names for the sake of rebaptism. Mormons have been criticized by several other faiths -- perhaps most passionately by the Jews -- for the church's practice of posthumous baptism. Members of the Latter-day Saints believe baptizing their ancestors by proxy gives the dead an opportunity to embrace the faith in the afterlife. The actual baptism-by-proxy ceremony occurs in a Mormon temple, and is intended to wash sins away for the commencement of church membership. Jewish leaders have called the practice arrogant and said it is disrespectful to the dead, especially Holocaust victims. "Baptism by proxy is a fundamentally important doctrine of the Latter-day Saints," Otterson said. "We have cooperative relationships with churches, governments -- both state and national -- going back to the last century. Our practice of negotiating for records and making them available for genealogical research is very well known." Father Massa said he is not aware of aggressive attempts to obtain baptismal records at Catholic parishes in any of the U.S. dioceses. He also said the Catholic Church will continue to reach out to the Mormons and carry on the efforts of understanding that have already begun, especially in Salt Lake City. "Profound theological differences are not an excuse for avoiding dialogue, but a reason for pursuing dialogue," Father Massa said. END ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Copyright (c) 2008 Catholic News Service/USCCB. All rights reserved. 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WOW, thanks Penny and Norm. This is great and will answer lots and lots of question Have added it to my favorites. Jan S - Orlando, FL Still tracking the HEPP family -------Original Message------- From: PB Delery Date: 5/5/2008 8:17:16 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] New Orleans Parish >From our resident map and street expert, Norm: Orleans Parish was an original parish when Louisiana became a state in 1812. In 1825, Jefferson Parish was created from part of Orleans Parish. A map showing the changes in Louisiana's parish boundaries can be found here: http://www.mylouisianagenealogy.com/la_maps.htm As New Orleans expanded upriver, communities along the river that originally were in Jefferson Parish were added to New Orleans (and Orleans Parish). The boundaries of the city and the parish are coterminous. The incorporated areas added to New Orleans were: 1852 City of Lafayette 1870 Jefferson City 1874 City of Carrollton Penny ----- Original Message ----- From: "calyx& corolla" <calyxcorolla@hotmail.com> I asked the same question several weeks ago but there were no responses ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LAORLEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Colleen, that may be what has happened, going back and check to see if it is just an error in the "finish the info" doohickey on Ancestry. Definition of doohickey:doohickey Anoun 1 dohickey, dojigger, doodad, doohickey, gimmick, hickey, gizmo, gismo, gubbins, thingamabob, thingumabob, thingmabob, thingamajig, thingumajig, thingmajig, thingummy something whose name is either forgotten or not known -------Original Message------- From: CFitzp@aol.com Date: 5/5/2008 8:16:44 PM To: laorlean@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAORLEAN] Jefferson and Orleans Hi, I don't know if this is what you saw, but there s a part of the city up near the Garden District that used to be called Jefferson. Maybe you are confusing the city and the parish. Where is Norm when you need him????? CFitz