Susan, Thank you for posting the response that you received from the HNOC. The method they used is how I would normally determine a modern address from an older (pre-1894) address. I explained this process in April in a message to the List: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/laorlean/2010-04/1270576954 I hesitate to quibble with the HNOC, for whom I have the greatest respect. However, I am not sure that this methodology can be used for addresses from the 1805 city directory. I have my doubts. If you could privately send me the name of the person who responded to you from the HNOC, I would like to ask them about this. I’ll let you know what I learn. Norm n_d_hellmers @ yahoo.com --- On Sat, 8/7/10, Susan & Tom Berghan <[email protected]> wrote: > I previously posted a question about > the location of 2 properties listed in > the 1805 city directory. Norm suggested I contact the New > Orleans Historic > Collection. I received a very prompt response from HNOC > regarding the > current addresses of these locations: > > >>Using a block by block conversion chart (available > online through the New > Orleans Public Library's website) I have been able to > determine the hundred > block on which your ancestors properties were > located.  That is, 58 St. > Peter is now within the 700 block, and 39 Dauphine is in > the 200 block.  > > The exact address is difficult to ascertain with great > certainty - > especially as the buildings may no longer be standing 205 > years later. > Using Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps from 1876 (before the > change) and 1896 > (after the change) I have been able to discover some > additional pieces of > information.  I believe the property at 58 St. Peter > was located on the > uptown/lakeside corner of St. Peter and Royal.  By > 1876, there does not > appear to be a property there facing St. Peter, but, by > looking at the > numbers, that is where one would logically have been.  > > By 1876 there was still a building standing at 39 Dauphine, > however I cannot > say for sure that this is the same building inhabited by > your ancestor. > Currently, this property is listed as 219 Dauphine between > Iberville and Bienville.<< >

I previously posted a question about the location of 2 properties listed in the 1805 city directory. Norm suggested I contact the New Orleans Historic Collection. I received a very prompt response from HNOC regarding the current addresses of these locations: >>Using a block by block conversion chart (available online through the New Orleans Public Library's website) I have been able to determine the hundred block on which your ancestors properties were located. That is, 58 St. Peter is now within the 700 block, and 39 Dauphine is in the 200 block. The exact address is difficult to ascertain with great certainty - especially as the buildings may no longer be standing 205 years later. Using Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps from 1876 (before the change) and 1896 (after the change) I have been able to discover some additional pieces of information. I believe the property at 58 St. Peter was located on the uptown/lakeside corner of St. Peter and Royal. By 1876, there does not appear to be a property there facing St. Peter, but, by looking at the numbers, that is where one would logically have been. By 1876 there was still a building standing at 39 Dauphine, however I cannot say for sure that this is the same building inhabited by your ancestor. Currently, this property is listed as 219 Dauphine between Iberville and Bienville.<<

Judy, thank you so much! I have to make a trip to Baton Rouge now! Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "JUDY A RIFFEL" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] "The Penitentiary" > Yes, the Louisiana State Archives in Baton Rouge has the old State > Penitentiary prisoner records. They date back to 1866. The records are > arranged in chronological order based on the date the prisoner arrived. > Not > all are indexed. So, it helps to know the date of arrival. > > Judy Riffel > Baton Rouge > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:44 PM > Subject: [LAORLEAN] "The Penitentiary" > > >>I just found an article in Times Picayune for 1892 that said that the man >>died in "the penitentiary". Does anyone know if there is a list of people >>who were sent to and who died in the penitentiary? What penitentiary >>we're >>talking about in 1892? I assume they are talking about the State >>Penitentiary at Angola. Any ideas, anyone??? >> >> Tks, >> Julie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just found an article in Times Picayune for 1892 that said that the man died in "the penitentiary". Does anyone know if there is a list of people who were sent to and who died in the penitentiary? What penitentiary we're talking about in 1892? I assume they are talking about the State Penitentiary at Angola. Any ideas, anyone??? Tks, Julie

Yes, the Louisiana State Archives in Baton Rouge has the old State Penitentiary prisoner records. They date back to 1866. The records are arranged in chronological order based on the date the prisoner arrived. Not all are indexed. So, it helps to know the date of arrival. Judy Riffel Baton Rouge ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:44 PM Subject: [LAORLEAN] "The Penitentiary" >I just found an article in Times Picayune for 1892 that said that the man >died in "the penitentiary". Does anyone know if there is a list of people >who were sent to and who died in the penitentiary? What penitentiary we're >talking about in 1892? I assume they are talking about the State >Penitentiary at Angola. Any ideas, anyone??? > > Tks, > Julie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

List, Judy Mahaffey provided me with the information I needed. Many thanks to Judy -- and everyone -- on this great list. Norm --- On Thu, 8/5/10, Norm Hellmers <[email protected]> wrote: . . . > I’d like to ask if anyone on the List has a subscription > to Archives.com. > > If so, there is a record I would like to get a copy of. It > is the death of Emile DeMonte in Nevada, which may have > occurred in 2009. The Archives.com index seems to indicate > that they have the record. . . .

Thank you Norm, I will contact them. >>> Susan, Rue St. Pierre is now St. Peter Street and Rue Dauphine is Dauphine Street. The resources that one might normally use to convert old addresses to modern ones, as far as I know, don't apply to addresses as early as 1805. You might contact the Historic New Orleans Collection. They have property records for the French Quarter that might be of some assistance. Contact email: [email protected] Let us know if you have any luck with them. Norm<<<

Hello List, I’d like to ask if anyone on the List has a subscription to Archives.com. If so, there is a record I would like to get a copy of. It is the death of Emile DeMonte in Nevada, which may have occurred in 2009. The Archives.com index seems to indicate that they have the record. Thanks. Norm [email protected]

Susan, Rue St. Pierre is now St. Peter Street and Rue Dauphine is Dauphine Street. The resources that one might normally use to convert old addresses to modern ones, as far as I know, don’t apply to addresses as early as 1805. You might contact the Historic New Orleans Collection. They have property records for the French Quarter that might be of some assistance. Contact email: [email protected] Let us know if you have any luck with them. Norm --- On Tue, 8/3/10, Susan & Tom Berghan <[email protected]> wrote: > I found two families in the 1805 New > Orleans City Directory. I know the > streets have changed names and numbering since then. Can > someone tell me what they would today? > > 58 Rue St. Pierre and 39 Rue Dauphine S. > > Thank you, > > Susan

I found two families in the 1805 New Orleans City Directory. I know the streets have changed names and numbering since then. Can someone tell me what they would today? 58 Rue St. Pierre and 39 Rue Dauphine S. Thank you, Susan

I received the obits I needed from Julie and they were indeed the persons mentioned in the letter. Judy Riffel Baton Rouge

I am footnoting an article for publication in Le Raconteur and need help identifying some individuals mentioned. Here's what I have from a letter dated 10 June 1854 at New Orleans ". . . Poor Leee Dennis who married Smith had a Baby and Died nine days after leaving a son of of 10 days old. Her Pore Parents are are in Deap Sorrow as she is there only." In the New Orleans Obituary Index, I found an entry for Grace Louisa Smith, aged 19, who died 5 June 1854. She was the wife of Alexander Smith, Jr. Don't know if this is the right person, but the dates seem to fit. I haven't had a chance to check the obituaries themselves yet. There were two - one published in the Picayune 7 June 1854 and one in the Commercial Bulletin 7 June 1854. If anyone can help identify these people, please contact me at [email protected] Many thanks. Judy Riffel Baton Rouge

Helen Mc Carthy again demonstrated that this is the best gene forum of any. Her quick help with the Genebank request opened up a whole new area of research for me!! Thanks Helen!!! JM The Woodlands, Tx.

Hello fellow Texan, What articles are you looking for? Rosemary in Alvin, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim McLoughlin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 3:44 PM Subject: [LAORLEAN] Genebank > Can some kind soul who is currently subscribing to GenealogyBank please do > a look-up for me? Had been a long-time subscriber but don't do much > research anymore. I've already tried their one-month trial subscription so > can't go that route anymore. I'm looking for three articles that I found > on their search engine. Please contact me at: > [email protected] > > Thank you, > > JM > The Woodlands, Tx. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can some kind soul who is currently subscribing to GenealogyBank please do a look-up for me? Had been a long-time subscriber but don't do much research anymore. I've already tried their one-month trial subscription so can't go that route anymore. I'm looking for three articles that I found on their search engine. Please contact me at: [email protected] Thank you, JM The Woodlands, Tx.

Thanks, Carolyn. I've responded to you privately > If you email me a list of names, I can try to find the info you are seeking. > > Carolyn Tregre >

Rene: My local library has this book. They do not lend it out on Inter-Library Loan but If you email me a list of names, I can try to find the info you are seeking. Carolyn Tregre

Just for information and research. Just found the following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_plantations It seems to have ALL plantation, not just Louisiana, very interesting. I am making a list of Louisiana Plantation that I will gladly share or I can send to Dee and she can post it online.  Jan S - Orlando, FL

Here is the reply from Wisconsin Historical Society. I wonder why there is the trouble with getting it through Interlibrary Loan. Dear Joan, A check of our catalog indicates we do indeed hold a copy of "Bourgeois Lines" by Kenneth Toups, part of our extensive collection of family histories. They, unfortunately, do not circulate, and thus are not available for interlibrary loan. However, a check of Worldcat indicates that several Louisiana libraries hold copies as well: US,LA ASSUMPTION PARISH LIBR US,LA EAST BATON ROUGE PARISH LIBR US,LA LAFAYETTE PUB LIBR US,LA LOUISIANA STATE LIBR US,LA NEW ORLEANS PUB LIBR US,LA NICHOLLS STATE UNIV, ELLENDER MEM LIBR US,LA STATE LIBR OF LOUISIANA US,LA TULANE UNIV The book was published in 1985 when the author was apparently residing in Thibodeaux, Louisiana. I would be surprised if it was still available. Sincerely, Jim Hansen Reference Librarian Wisconsin Historical Society ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Data" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 4:50 AM Subject: [LAORLEAN] Bourgeois lines. > Thanks to all trying to help me find Toup's "Bourgeois Lines" > I will spend today tracking down all your suggestions. > I'm surprised that the LC has it. My library sent a message saying they > couldn't get it. > So maybe LC doesn't loan it out. > Thanks again > Renee > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm pretty sure I just saw the Bourgeois book at the Franklin (LA) public library on their genealogy reference shelf. Which means A. it's a reference book and doesn't circulate and B. most of the small public libraries in the Bayou Teche and River Road area where Bourgeois first lived would have it, probably as a gift from the author. You might expand your search to larger libraries such as NOPL and/or state archives, but again the book probably doesn't circulate. Next alternative would be small book stores specializing in Louisiana history such as the Acadian Book Shop in New Orleans. Give them a call. Sorry I don't have the info handy. It's on Orleans Ave just off Royal; proprietor is Russell Desmond. And finally, someone on the list might have a copy to lend or copy from. Good luck, Mary Lynn Hyde San Diego CA At 12:00 AM 7/26/2010, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:30:33 -0500 >From: Gene Data <[email protected]> >Subject: [LAORLEAN] "Bourgeois Lines" >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >Hi, >Anyone have any idea where I can find.... to buy or borrow.... this book: > >Author/Composer: Toups, Kenneth [ and westerman] >Title: Bourgeois Lines > >I've tried my Interlibrary Loan and they say they cannot get it. >Have no idea of what to do now. >Renee