There is a Holiday Inn across the street and about a block or so away from the NOPL. -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 2:03 PM To: "LAORLEAN-L" <[email protected]> Subject: [LAORLEAN] Parking near NOPL > > > I know this has been discussed before but I failed to save any of the > e-mails. Planning a driving trip first week in Sept. to the library. I > also seem to remember someone saying a hotel was nearby. Any help > appreciated. > > > > Helen McCarthy > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've found two citations...death record same person, same source... but different record numbers [Any idea why????] But, what I'd really like to know is.... can I get the actual wording online or do I have to write away for it... and, if so, to whom do I write? Where can you find Film number: 2363181 Image Number: 01586 Certificate Number: 2031 Digital Folder Number: 4216118 Collection: Louisiana Deaths, 1850-1875; 1894-1954 and Film number: 2322973 Image Number: 01145 Certificate Number: 528 Digital Folder Number: 4216100 Collection: Louisiana Deaths, 1850-1875; 1894-1954

In case anyone needs to do research in St. Bernard Parish, here's the Clerk of Court info: http://records.stbclerk.com/LandRecords/protected/SrchQuickName.aspx Rita T.

Hi NOVA, Allison Bartsch has done extensive work on the Hyams family. She wants to pass on her information, but the list does not accept attachments. I've posted it on my Forensic Genealogy website. If you click the link below, you can click on the page to open the pdf. _http://www.forensicgenealogy.info/untitled.html_ (http://www.forensicgenealogy.info/untitled.html) While you are at it, please visit my two websites: _www.forensicgenealogy.info_ (http://www.forensicgenealogy.info/) _www.identifinders.com_ (http://www.identifinders.com/) Bye, Colleen

Sorry, should have included address St Bernard Parish Clerk of Court P.O. Box 1746 Chalmette, La 70044 phone- 504-271-3434 Sally ________________________________ From: Sally Viada <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 1:35:23 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] St. Bernard Parish successions... where to find? Hi, I don't believe these records were published in any quarterly..  You probably have to write directly to the St Bernard Parish Clerk of Court in Chalmette for a copy. I just hope they weren't damaged in Hurricane Katrina.  Sally ________________________________ From: Gene Data <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 8:47:26 AM Subject: [LAORLEAN] St. Bernard Parish successions... where to find? Mornin', Can anyone tell me how I can obtain these two successions? I found them in L'Heritage Volume 7, 25 January 1984, on page 73 a succession for No 269 Victor Cieutat Drawer C-3 File No. 4 Date [not sure of date.. maybe 13 May 1924] and another for No 597-883 Mr & Mrs Jean Marie Cieutat Carreau Drawer C-4 File #3 22 Nov 1912 This is Probate Docket 25th Judicial Court St. Bernard Parish submitted by Sally Embry Viada Thanks for any help, Renee in St. Louis ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I don't believe these records were published in any quarterly..  You probably have to write directly to the St Bernard Parish Clerk of Court in Chalmette for a copy. I just hope they weren't damaged in Hurricane Katrina.  Sally ________________________________ From: Gene Data <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 8:47:26 AM Subject: [LAORLEAN] St. Bernard Parish successions... where to find? Mornin', Can anyone tell me how I can obtain these two successions? I found them in L'Heritage Volume 7, 25 January 1984, on page 73 a succession for No 269 Victor Cieutat Drawer C-3 File No. 4 Date [not sure of date.. maybe 13 May 1924] and another for No 597-883 Mr & Mrs Jean Marie Cieutat Carreau Drawer C-4 File #3 22 Nov 1912 This is Probate Docket 25th Judicial Court St. Bernard Parish submitted by Sally Embry Viada Thanks for any help, Renee in St. Louis ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mornin', Can anyone tell me how I can obtain these two successions? I found them in L'Heritage Volume 7, 25 January 1984, on page 73 a succession for No 269 Victor Cieutat Drawer C-3 File No. 4 Date [not sure of date.. maybe 13 May 1924] and another for No 597-883 Mr & Mrs Jean Marie Cieutat Carreau Drawer C-4 File #3 22 Nov 1912 This is Probate Docket 25th Judicial Court St. Bernard Parish submitted by Sally Embry Viada Thanks for any help, Renee in St. Louis

Was doing some searching on "Find A Grave" and ran across a whole bunch of the family of Samuel M. Hyams and Emily E Prudhomme Lots of burial records listed. This is a great site, I have contributed some of my records to it. And it is also FREE............. yeah link: http://www.findagrave.com/index.html    Jan S - Orlando, FL

Colleen, I just had time to check out your identifiers website. It was interesting to me that you did some research for a Powell DNA....since one of my grandfathers was a Powell and we've traced the line back to the Isle of Wight, Va. Powells with DNA findings. However there are some holes in the paper trail that we have yet to fill in. Also, you mentioned a Van Zandt and that is my husband's name. With DNA we were able to trace his line back to Bucks Co. Pa in late 1600s and orginally from East Friesland, Germany and Amsterdam. DNA is a wonderful tool....... Helen Smith (researching Lehmanns/Develles/Lavergnes in New Orleans) Waco, Tx. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 1:24 AM Subject: [LAORLEAN] New Blog > Hi Nova, > > Just a FYI I just started a new blog for Identifinders. I've posted some > info about some of the work I have been doing in human identification. > Please drop by sometime soon and leave a note. > > _http://identifinders.wordpress.com_ (http://identifinders.wordpress.com) > > The Identifinders' website is > > _www.identifinders.com_ (http://www.identifinders.com) > > Colleen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Rose for the info.  Just found his parents this morning.  Evidently his father died when he and his brother were fairly young and she remarried.  Found the new family on the census.  Your findings appear to match this scenario. Helen  

It was written: "I'm a volunteer for the Friends of the Cabildo and am currently entering data for their upcoming book in the N.O. Architecture Series on The French Quarter." What good news!! I just hope I'm not pushing up daisies before they publish it! JM The Woodlands, Tx.

I found a similar situation in my research which may be of help. The person filing for emancipation was a male about the same age as your ancestor, whose father had died, but whose mother was still living. In a Petition to the Courts, he declares that he "desires to be relieved from the disabilities of a minor and to be fully emancipated that he may administer the estate, and that he is fully capable of managing his own affairs and property. If you haven't already found the Petition, go to the NOPL and search the Successions under their last name. The Petition will also provide additional information, i.e., the names of his parents and date of death. Hope this helps. Rose -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LAORLEAN] Emancipation I have just started researching a family branch in New Orleans.  I have identified the person but not his father or mother yet.  My question is, why would a 21 year old male file a suit for emancipation.  He was born in 1885 and the suit was filed in 1906.  Was this a common practice or was it done as a form of separation from parents for whatever reason? Helen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Norm, I checked with Robby and he said there is no plan to put the database online. It will be housed at the Mint when complete. Jan >Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:25:38 -0700 (PDT) >From: Norm Hellmers <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Help with street location > >Jan, > >Thanks for the excellent response. I?m pleased to have what I said agreed >to by an expert, but more importantly, I?m delighted to learn that there >will finally be a French Quarter volume in the N.O. Architecture Series. I >am also pleased to learn that there will be a database of address >conversions for the French Quarter. It seems to me that at least half of >the requests that we get are for addresses in the Quarter. I would hope >that we could somehow get that database online when it is ready, even >before the FQ edition is published. Could you ask about this? Finally, >thanks for volunteering on such a worthy project. > >Norm > >--- On Wed, 8/11/10, J Dean <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm a volunteer for the Friends of >> the Cabildo and am currently entering >> data for their upcoming book in the N.O. Architecture >> Series on The French >> Quarter. After I read this discussion, I contacted >> architect Robby >> Cangelosi who, along with Ann Masson, is researching and >> writing the FQ >> book. Here is Robby's response (with his permission) >> regarding FQ >> addresses: >> >> The NOPL online conversion which is by block is for the >> number changes from >> after the civil war to current numbers. We have a better >> conversion which I >> prepared from Sanborn maps. It is building specific. The >> person saying that >> the 1805 address do not work for the conversion charts is >> correct. That is >> what we are trying to create with the data base. By putting >> pre 1860 >> resident address and pre 1860 property owner addresses >> which we have from >> the chains of title with the current addresses, we hope to >> match pre1860 >> residents addresses from the directories with pre 1860 >> property owners >> current addresses for a pre 1860 conversion chart. This >> will only work for >> owner occupied structures but with that as a base we hope >> to fill in the >> other address with the numbers left over. >> Robby >> >> I know we all eagerly await this book so we can have more >> accurate knowledge of FQ buildings.???Jan

Hi Nova, Just a FYI I just started a new blog for Identifinders. I've posted some info about some of the work I have been doing in human identification. Please drop by sometime soon and leave a note. _http://identifinders.wordpress.com_ (http://identifinders.wordpress.com) The Identifinders' website is _www.identifinders.com_ (http://www.identifinders.com) Colleen

I have just started researching a family branch in New Orleans.  I have identified the person but not his father or mother yet.  My question is, why would a 21 year old male file a suit for emancipation.  He was born in 1885 and the suit was filed in 1906.  Was this a common practice or was it done as a form of separation from parents for whatever reason? Helen

I'm a volunteer for the Friends of the Cabildo and am currently entering data for their upcoming book in the N.O. Architecture Series on The French Quarter. After I read this discussion, I contacted architect Robby Cangelosi who, along with Ann Masson, is researching and writing the FQ book. Here is Robby's response (with his permission) regarding FQ addresses: The NOPL online conversion which is by block is for the number changes from after the civil war to current numbers. We have a better conversion which I prepared from Sanborn maps. It is building specific. The person saying that the 1805 address do not work for the conversion charts is correct. That is what we are trying to create with the data base. By putting pre 1860 resident address and pre 1860 property owner addresses which we have from the chains of title with the current addresses, we hope to match pre1860 residents addresses from the directories with pre 1860 property owners current addresses for a pre 1860 conversion chart. This will only work for owner occupied structures but with that as a base we hope to fill in the other address with the numbers left over. Robby I know we all eagerly await this book so we can have more accurate knowledge of FQ buildings. Jan >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:10:08 -0700 (PDT) >From: Norm Hellmers <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Help with street location > >Susan and List, > >Susan received a response from the Historic New Orleans Collection >regarding the current locations of addresses in the 1805 city directory. > >I wrote to the person at the HNOC who responded to Susan expressing my >reservations about the address conversions that he suggested. The person >wrote to me: > >?You are correct that New Orleans Street numbers changed periodically >throughout the 19th c. making it very difficult to ascertain exactly what >a specific address would be today. Moreover, many of the buildings from >the early 19th c. are no longer standing. All told this makes address >conversions very difficult, and for the most part they are approximations. >I had hoped to convey this in my email to Susan, and in no way expected >the email to be used as a general guideline. My purpose was to give Susan >a starting point to work with. I apologize if I have caused you, or anyone >else for that matter, any confusion.? > >I believe that it is impossible to make a conversion from an 1805 address >to a modern address with any degree of reliability. With all due respect >to the HNOC, I don?t believe any of the information in the HNOC?s original >message can be accepted. For Susan, I think the best that can be said is >that these addresses were most likely in the French Quarter. > >Address conversions can be made (pre-1894 to today), but converting >addresses prior to approximately 1852 with any degree of certainty is >probably not possible. > >Norm > >--- On Sat, 8/7/10, Susan & Tom Berghan <[email protected]> wrote: >> I previously posted a question about >> the location of 2 properties listed in >> the 1805 city directory. Norm suggested I contact the New >> Orleans Historic >> Collection. I received a very prompt response from HNOC >> regarding the >> current addresses of these locations: >> >> >> Using a block by block conversion chart (available >> online through the New >> Orleans Public Library's website) I have been able to >> determine the hundred >> block on which your ancestors properties were >> located.? That is, 58 St. >> Peter is now within the 700 block, and 39 Dauphine is in >> the 200 block.? >> >> The exact address is difficult to ascertain with great >> certainty - >> especially as the buildings may no longer be standing 205 >> years later. >> Using Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps from 1876 (before the >> change) and 1896 >> (after the change) I have been able to discover some >> additional pieces of >> information.? I believe the property at 58 St. Peter >> was located on the >> uptown/lakeside corner of St. Peter and Royal.? By >> 1876, there does not >> appear to be a property there facing St. Peter, but, by >> looking at the >> numbers, that is where one would logically have been.? >> >> >> By 1876 there was still a building standing at 39 Dauphine, >> however I cannot >> say for sure that this is the same building inhabited by >> your ancestor. >> Currently, this property is listed as 219 Dauphine between >> Iberville and Bienville.<< >> > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the LAORLEAN list administrator, send an email to >[email protected] > >To post a message to the LAORLEAN mailing list, send an email to >[email protected] > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body >of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of LAORLEAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 192 >**************************************** > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3063 - Release Date: 08/10/10 >13:34:00

Jan, Thanks for the excellent response. I’m pleased to have what I said agreed to by an expert, but more importantly, I’m delighted to learn that there will finally be a French Quarter volume in the N.O. Architecture Series. I am also pleased to learn that there will be a database of address conversions for the French Quarter. It seems to me that at least half of the requests that we get are for addresses in the Quarter. I would hope that we could somehow get that database online when it is ready, even before the FQ edition is published. Could you ask about this? Finally, thanks for volunteering on such a worthy project. Norm --- On Wed, 8/11/10, J Dean <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm a volunteer for the Friends of > the Cabildo and am currently entering > data for their upcoming book in the N.O. Architecture > Series on The French > Quarter. After I read this discussion, I contacted > architect Robby > Cangelosi who, along with Ann Masson, is researching and > writing the FQ > book. Here is Robby's response (with his permission) > regarding FQ > addresses: > > The NOPL online conversion which is by block is for the > number changes from > after the civil war to current numbers. We have a better > conversion which I > prepared from Sanborn maps. It is building specific. The > person saying that > the 1805 address do not work for the conversion charts is > correct. That is > what we are trying to create with the data base. By putting > pre 1860 > resident address and pre 1860 property owner addresses > which we have from > the chains of title with the current addresses, we hope to > match pre1860 > residents addresses from the directories with pre 1860 > property owners > current addresses for a pre 1860 conversion chart. This > will only work for > owner occupied structures but with that as a base we hope > to fill in the > other address with the numbers left over. > Robby > > I know we all eagerly await this book so we can have more > accurate knowledge of FQ buildings.   Jan . . .

Susan and List, Susan received a response from the Historic New Orleans Collection regarding the current locations of addresses in the 1805 city directory. I wrote to the person at the HNOC who responded to Susan expressing my reservations about the address conversions that he suggested. The person wrote to me: “You are correct that New Orleans Street numbers changed periodically throughout the 19th c. making it very difficult to ascertain exactly what a specific address would be today. Moreover, many of the buildings from the early 19th c. are no longer standing. All told this makes address conversions very difficult, and for the most part they are approximations. I had hoped to convey this in my email to Susan, and in no way expected the email to be used as a general guideline. My purpose was to give Susan a starting point to work with. I apologize if I have caused you, or anyone else for that matter, any confusion.” I believe that it is impossible to make a conversion from an 1805 address to a modern address with any degree of reliability. With all due respect to the HNOC, I don’t believe any of the information in the HNOC’s original message can be accepted. For Susan, I think the best that can be said is that these addresses were most likely in the French Quarter. Address conversions can be made (pre-1894 to today), but converting addresses prior to approximately 1852 with any degree of certainty is probably not possible. Norm --- On Sat, 8/7/10, Susan & Tom Berghan <[email protected]> wrote: > I previously posted a question about > the location of 2 properties listed in > the 1805 city directory. Norm suggested I contact the New > Orleans Historic > Collection. I received a very prompt response from HNOC > regarding the > current addresses of these locations: > > >> Using a block by block conversion chart (available > online through the New > Orleans Public Library's website) I have been able to > determine the hundred > block on which your ancestors properties were > located.  That is, 58 St. > Peter is now within the 700 block, and 39 Dauphine is in > the 200 block.  > > The exact address is difficult to ascertain with great > certainty - > especially as the buildings may no longer be standing 205 > years later. > Using Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps from 1876 (before the > change) and 1896 > (after the change) I have been able to discover some > additional pieces of > information.  I believe the property at 58 St. Peter > was located on the > uptown/lakeside corner of St. Peter and Royal.  By > 1876, there does not > appear to be a property there facing St. Peter, but, by > looking at the > numbers, that is where one would logically have been.  > > > By 1876 there was still a building standing at 39 Dauphine, > however I cannot > say for sure that this is the same building inhabited by > your ancestor. > Currently, this property is listed as 219 Dauphine between > Iberville and Bienville.<< >

Does anyone know anything about this? My brother wants to research the house he bought in Old Jefferson. Julie

_http://nutrias.org/~nopl/facts/streetnames/namesa.htm_ (http://nutrias.org/~nopl/facts/streetnames/namesa.htm) I use this but it's not as old as you want.