Rita: If you still have your Program disk all you need to do is install the program with the program disk no your new computer  then copy your PAF data file  (the name of you PAF data file that ends in .paf) to your PAF file on your new computer.  Should you not have the PAF program disk you can download a free version of PAF from the Mormon Church website. See Achee genealogy at achee.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Rita <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, August 21, 2010 5:29:46 PM Subject: [LAORLEAN] PAF I have a question. If you use PAF and get a new computer, how do you transfer the whole shebang to the new computer?  Do the files update?  You can tell I'm not the greatest computer pro.  Thanks, Rita T.       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a question. If you use PAF and get a new computer, how do you transfer the whole shebang to the new computer? Do the files update? You can tell I'm not the greatest computer pro. Thanks, Rita T.

The good thing that comes from having trees on ancestry is the contacts to relatives and the chance to indicate correct information. I, like Dee, am always willing, at no charge to share some of my source info. Also like Dee, I am working on a New Orleans Tree with some others, mailing because I truly believe that we are all cousins. Jan S - Orlando, FL -------Original Message------- From: Ellen Cleary Date: 8/21/2010 11:45:03 AM To: Orleans list Subject: [LAORLEAN] Ancestry Place Name Error You have brought up one of my pet peeves. What really upsets me in addition to that about Ancestry is that you put your info up there and then THEY make money from making it available to people. It is my work. No one has the right to profit from it other than me! And I give it away free to those who connect to my tree. I don't know what other resources are out there these days to allow you to post trees. When I did this many many years ago, it was obvious that some of these places would copy your data to CD's and sell them. AND that once that was done, you also had no options for updating and correcting your tree For those reasons and because I am Jewish, I chose to post my data to Jewishgen.org. You have to register on Jewishgen to see it, but there is no charge to register. I can update my data whenever I like. And because you have to register, people are far less likely to stumble across my information and copy it into their database from the site. There is easy access to contact the person who posted the tree and that can be a blind contact, i.e., the person contacting you doesn't know who you are. So your privacy is protected and you can choose to share with whomever you like. I don't know if other current sites offer these options. I HOPE there ARE others. Ellen Barnett Cleary San Francisco CA

You have brought up one of my pet peeves. What really upsets me in addition to that about Ancestry is that you put your info up there and then THEY make money from making it available to people. It is my work. No one has the right to profit from it other than me! And I give it away free to those who connect to my tree. I don't know what other resources are out there these days to allow you to post trees. When I did this many many years ago, it was obvious that some of these places would copy your data to CD's and sell them. AND that once that was done, you also had no options for updating and correcting your tree. For those reasons and because I am Jewish, I chose to post my data to Jewishgen.org. You have to register on Jewishgen to see it, but there is no charge to register. I can update my data whenever I like. And because you have to register, people are far less likely to stumble across my information and copy it into their database from the site. There is easy access to contact the person who posted the tree and that can be a blind contact, i.e., the person contacting you doesn't know who you are. So your privacy is protected and you can choose to share with whomever you like. I don't know if other current sites offer these options. I HOPE there ARE others. Ellen Barnett Cleary San Francisco CA Norm Hellmers wrote: Hello List, I have recently been putting some of my data on Ancestry.com. In doing so, I realized that Ancestry.com has a serious error in its place name database. When a person starts to enter New Orleans, the ?auto-complete? function completes it as "New Orleans, Jefferson, Louisiana, USA." Because of this, many people have incorrectly entered New Orleans, Jefferson, Louisiana, USA as a place name in their Ancestry Public Member Trees. When I discovered this, I remembered a query to the List about this issue over two years ago. You can see that message here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/laorlean/2008-03/1206055120 This mistake has obviously been going on for some time. I have notified Ancestry.com of the error, but to date it has not been corrected. In the meantime, people who enter data on Ancestry should be cautious about this auto-complete error, and should be cautious with the auto-complete function entirely, as I have seen many other mistakes made because of it. Everyone should also be aware that Ancestry family trees will frequently contain the erroneous place name of New Orleans, Jefferson, Louisiana, USA. It should of course be New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana, USA.

I am not tree collector but I have over 100,000 people in my tree. I say about 80% are sourced now and I am still working on the rest. When I started this in 97 I didn't always put a source in the file since I had paper files, Now I am going back putting the paper into pics and attaching to the person or putting the source in from books and papers. But my tree is also NOT on anything ancestry owns. Enless you are Bruce Voelker, who had got a copy of my old tree from someone else around 2000 or so and has it up there, without sources and then leaves comments about dates saying it is unlikely this person married this person the dates put their ages to far apart. Well I have told Mr Bruce, I have the documents to prove that Johanna did marry Louis and yes Johanna was 20 years older then Louis. I know this is right I have the pics of them, I got first hand knowledge from her three granddaughters and her daughter-in-law who was the half sister of Johanna's husband Louis. So what it breaks down to is Johanna's third husband was her son's wife's half brother. My Great great great grandmother was the first cougar on the block(northshore). But anyways this is why my stuff is not on there. If people want to know who I am related to check out my site. I have reports up and if need be I can send proof for most right now and get back to you when I scan the rest. So not everyone with big trees or name/tree collectors. I am working on piecing a lot of my families together as they all come from the same area and we have so many cousins marrying cousins. Dee -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jan Strickland" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:48 PM To: "LAOrleans" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Ancestry Place Name Error > Great thoughts, there are also a whole lot of "tree collectors". At least > that's what I call them. A tree with 50,000 to 150,000 people in it > should > be a bit suspect. I have written asking for a persons connections to an > ancestor of mine only to be told, "oh, uh, not sure, I'll get back to > you". > > Just my opinion, Jan S - Orlando, FL > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Sally Viada > Date: 8/20/2010 4:26:48 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Ancestry Place Name Error > > I found the same thing concerning One World Tree and Ancestry.. > > I do not rely on the pop up place names, etc and put my own information > on > Ancestry. Lots of the family trees that come up are incorrect. > > Especially if there are no sources, census etc. > > I think the problem with One World Tree is when it first started, > researchers > did not have the information/documents available to them now, > > and relied on oral histories a lot. One "family name" book that I know of > that's > been published for years, has me as my mother! When I questioned it, > > I was told that an aunt of someone told the writer that is what she > thought. > > In this Internet age so many documents are available, I just hope people > use > this source to correct things. > > Just my opinion. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Kathleen Deao <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 3:05:34 PM > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Ancestry Place Name Error > > Norm, I sincerely wish you good luck with getting the place name fixed. > > And I apologize in advance for using this issue as a place to jump in and > vent . . . but the worst thing Ancestry.com ever did, in my opinion, was > One > World Tree. Their computer stitched together "probables" [their word], and > matched my mother-in-law to the brother of her actual husband. I wrote to > them, and spoke with tech support and supervisors . . . and they > can't/won't fix it, remove it, or give me a place to add a comment. The > data > was originally submitted correctly by a distant relative. And now the > mistake will be perpetuated. . . > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I' m glad someone else mentioned this. While the Ancestry website may be valuable for records, it's a hash of poorly researched and virtually undocumented trees when it comes to LA. Personally, I've questioned 4 people about their huge trees with 2 no answers and 2 snippy replies. Their goal seems to be attaching as many people as possible. Frankly, when a tree gets upwards in the thousands, I think it loses its usefulness/credibility. Not to mention those who truncate their trees where it suits their agendas--deleting relatives they don't want to acknowledge. I don't understand why they bother. If you have a tree with 50,000 people on it, without ONE attached record, what exactly is your point? What exactly are you trying to accomplish? And if you don't want to include ALL of your direct antecedents and descendents, then keep your tree on your own software. Some of the attempts to "disguise" data are laughable, when they can be cross-checked with other sources and shown to be deliberatley fraudulent. While Ancestry provides records, they take no responsibility for the erroneous info posted by their subscribers. They only care about the subscription fees $$$ they collect. Anyone willing to pay the fee can post family trees that begin on Neptune, Jupiter, Mars, or Pluto. I am grateful for the work done by NOVA, without which I would have been lost in a morass of error. And I started with NOVA's site in the mid 90's. Remember when most genealogy sites were FREE? Ancestry.com bought most of them out and then started charging subscriber fees! Thank God Ancestry.com doesn't control library research. > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:48:12 -0400 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Ancestry Place Name Error > > Great thoughts, there are also a whole lot of "tree collectors". At least > that's what I call them. A tree with 50,000 to 150,000 people in it should > be a bit suspect. I have written asking for a persons connections to an > ancestor of mine only to be told, "oh, uh, not sure, I'll get back to you". > > Just my opinion, Jan S - Orlando, FL > >

Great thoughts, there are also a whole lot of "tree collectors". At least that's what I call them. A tree with 50,000 to 150,000 people in it should be a bit suspect. I have written asking for a persons connections to an ancestor of mine only to be told, "oh, uh, not sure, I'll get back to you". Just my opinion, Jan S - Orlando, FL -------Original Message------- From: Sally Viada Date: 8/20/2010 4:26:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Ancestry Place Name Error I found the same thing concerning One World Tree and Ancestry.. I do not rely on the pop up place names, etc and put my own information on Ancestry. Lots of the family trees that come up are incorrect. Especially if there are no sources, census etc. I think the problem with One World Tree is when it first started, researchers did not have the information/documents available to them now, and relied on oral histories a lot. One "family name" book that I know of that's been published for years, has me as my mother! When I questioned it, I was told that an aunt of someone told the writer that is what she thought. In this Internet age so many documents are available, I just hope people use this source to correct things. Just my opinion. ________________________________ From: Kathleen Deao <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 3:05:34 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Ancestry Place Name Error Norm, I sincerely wish you good luck with getting the place name fixed. And I apologize in advance for using this issue as a place to jump in and vent . . . but the worst thing Ancestry.com ever did, in my opinion, was One World Tree. Their computer stitched together "probables" [their word], and matched my mother-in-law to the brother of her actual husband. I wrote to them, and spoke with tech support and supervisors . . . and they can't/won't fix it, remove it, or give me a place to add a comment. The data was originally submitted correctly by a distant relative. And now the mistake will be perpetuated. . . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I also noticed this on ancestry and FTM, all versions. You have to watch very carefully. Has to do with Jefferson Parish coming up before Orleans Parish. I also notified Ancestry.com of this problem, but no response. Lots of towns have same name, but different County, guess that is the problem. I change them when I find them in my files, or on line. Jan S - Orlando, FL -------Original Message------- From: Peggy Date: 8/20/2010 3:47:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Ancestry Place Name Error This same thing has happened to me in FTM. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Norm Hellmers <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello List, > > I have recently been putting some of my data on Ancestry.com. In doing so, I realized that Ancestry.com has a serious error in its place name database. When a person starts to enter New Orleans, the “auto-complete” function completes it as "New Orleans, Jefferson, Louisiana, USA." > > Because of this, many people have incorrectly entered New Orleans, Jefferson, Louisiana, USA as a place name in their Ancestry Public Member Trees. > > When I discovered this, I remembered a query to the List about this issue over two years ago. You can see that message here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/laorlean/2008-03/1206055120 > This mistake has obviously been going on for some time. > > I have notified Ancestry.com of the error, but to date it has not been corrected. In the meantime, people who enter data on Ancestry should be cautious about this auto-complete error, and should be cautious with the auto-complete function entirely, as I have seen many other mistakes made because of it. Everyone should also be aware that Ancestry family trees will frequently contain the erroneous place name of New Orleans, Jefferson, Louisiana, USA. It should of course be New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana, USA. > > Norm > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Norm, I sincerely wish you good luck with getting the place name fixed. And I apologize in advance for using this issue as a place to jump in and vent . . . but the worst thing Ancestry.com ever did, in my opinion, was One World Tree. Their computer stitched together "probables" [their word], and matched my mother-in-law to the brother of her actual husband. I wrote to them, and spoke with tech support and supervisors . . . and they can't/won't fix it, remove it, or give me a place to add a comment. The data was originally submitted correctly by a distant relative. And now the mistake will be perpetuated. . .

This same thing has happened to me in FTM. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Norm Hellmers <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello List, > > I have recently been putting some of my data on Ancestry.com. In doing so, I realized that Ancestry.com has a serious error in its place name database. When a person starts to enter New Orleans, the “auto-complete” function completes it as "New Orleans, Jefferson, Louisiana, USA." > > Because of this, many people have incorrectly entered New Orleans, Jefferson, Louisiana, USA as a place name in their Ancestry Public Member Trees. > > When I discovered this, I remembered a query to the List about this issue over two years ago. You can see that message here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/laorlean/2008-03/1206055120 > This mistake has obviously been going on for some time. > > I have notified Ancestry.com of the error, but to date it has not been corrected. In the meantime, people who enter data on Ancestry should be cautious about this auto-complete error, and should be cautious with the auto-complete function entirely, as I have seen many other mistakes made because of it. Everyone should also be aware that Ancestry family trees will frequently contain the erroneous place name of New Orleans, Jefferson, Louisiana, USA. It should of course be New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana, USA. > > Norm > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found the same thing concerning One World Tree and Ancestry..  I do not rely on the pop up place names, etc and put  my own information on Ancestry. Lots of the family trees that come up are incorrect. Especially if there are no sources, census etc. I think the problem with One World Tree is when it first started, researchers did not have the information/documents available to them now, and relied on oral histories a lot. One "family name" book that I know of that's been published for years, has me as my mother!  When I questioned it, I was told that an aunt of someone told the writer that is what she thought.  In this Internet age so many documents are available, I just hope people use this source to correct things.  Just my opinion.   ________________________________ From: Kathleen Deao <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 3:05:34 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Ancestry Place Name Error Norm, I sincerely wish you good luck with getting the place name fixed. And I apologize in advance for using this issue as a place to jump in and vent . . . but the worst thing Ancestry.com ever did, in my opinion, was One World Tree. Their computer stitched together "probables" [their word], and matched my mother-in-law to the brother of her actual husband. I wrote to them, and spoke with tech support and supervisors .  . .  and they can't/won't fix it, remove it, or give me a place to add a comment. The data was originally submitted correctly by a distant relative.  And now the mistake will be perpetuated. . . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List, I have recently been putting some of my data on Ancestry.com. In doing so, I realized that Ancestry.com has a serious error in its place name database. When a person starts to enter New Orleans, the “auto-complete” function completes it as "New Orleans, Jefferson, Louisiana, USA." Because of this, many people have incorrectly entered New Orleans, Jefferson, Louisiana, USA as a place name in their Ancestry Public Member Trees. When I discovered this, I remembered a query to the List about this issue over two years ago. You can see that message here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/laorlean/2008-03/1206055120 This mistake has obviously been going on for some time. I have notified Ancestry.com of the error, but to date it has not been corrected. In the meantime, people who enter data on Ancestry should be cautious about this auto-complete error, and should be cautious with the auto-complete function entirely, as I have seen many other mistakes made because of it. Everyone should also be aware that Ancestry family trees will frequently contain the erroneous place name of New Orleans, Jefferson, Louisiana, USA. It should of course be New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana, USA. Norm

Hi I was working on the St. Bernard Parish website and researching various pages searching for Cieutat... when it shifted me to a page for Archives, which said: 7 records available; click here to view records. When I did that I got this message: Enter your payment information below to begin your free trial account. After the 7-day trial, you will be billed $39.95 for a full year of access. You will NOT be billed if you cancel before the end of your trial. So my questions are..... have any of you had experience with Archives? Since it's on the St. Bernard site, does that mean it's reputable? Would it have more than Ancestry? Is it worth it? Any help will be appreciated. Renee

Thanks everyone for the information.  Have to be at a birthday celebration on the 4th in Slidell for my uncle and thought I would visit the library. Helen

Also down the side of the library and behind the federal building is a couple of parking garages. But I have always used the holiday inn Dee -------------------------------------------------- From: "Julie Campbell Hernandez" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 8:19 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Parking near NOPL > I always part across the street either at the Holiday Inn parking garage > or > at the open lot. > > Julie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: "LAORLEAN-L" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 2:03 PM > Subject: [LAORLEAN] Parking near NOPL > > >> >> >> I know this has been discussed before but I failed to save any of the >> e-mails. Planning a driving trip first week in Sept. to the library. I >> also seem to remember someone saying a hotel was nearby. Any help >> appreciated. >> >> >> >> Helen McCarthy >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I always part across the street either at the Holiday Inn parking garage or at the open lot. Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "LAORLEAN-L" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 2:03 PM Subject: [LAORLEAN] Parking near NOPL > > > I know this has been discussed before but I failed to save any of the > e-mails. Planning a driving trip first week in Sept. to the library. I > also seem to remember someone saying a hotel was nearby. Any help > appreciated. > > > > Helen McCarthy > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know this has been discussed before but I failed to save any of the e-mails.  Planning a driving trip first week in Sept.  to the library.  I also seem to remember someone saying a hotel was nearby.  Any help appreciated. Helen McCarthy

If anyone needs a copy of the death notice for Sr. St. Helen (nee Clara Branstretter or Brandstretter - written both ways), daughter of Carl Brandstretter and Caroline Baumgarden, sister of Nellie Brandstretter, I have it.  She died Friday, 23 August 1940, in New Orleans. Let me know privately and I can e-mail you a pdf copy. Alexa Genealogy research since 1975

When I go to New Orleans for research I'm usually there for a month, so my husband and I rent a little furnished house in the Faubourg Marigny. We never have a car. I take the St. Claude Avenue bus as far as Canal Street and walk the rest of the way to NOPL or the Notarial Archives a few blocks further on Poydras Street. This isn't the nicest part of town, not because it's dangerous, but because it's ugly. There must be parking garages, but I've never paid any attention to them; remember that you're just a few blocks from the Superdome, and there's got to be parking for that. You could also call United Cab at 504-522-9771. Put this number in your cell phone. They're great. They come right away and the drivers know where they're going. You didn't mention where you're staying--at a hotel, or with friends/relatives? If you stay at one of the big hotels on Canal Street, you can walk to NOPL and the Archives. There's also a Holiday Inn very near NOPL. Carolyn Long ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "LAORLEAN-L" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 3:03 PM Subject: [LAORLEAN] Parking near NOPL > > > I know this has been discussed before but I failed to save any of the > e-mails. Planning a driving trip first week in Sept. to the library. I > also seem to remember someone saying a hotel was nearby. Any help > appreciated. > > > > Helen McCarthy > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a parking garage directly across the street from the library, with the Holiday Inn in the next block going towards the Superdome -- it is a little run down; however, after using it a few times these last couple of years, I can say that I have never had any problems. Harold -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carolyn Long Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 2:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Parking near NOPL When I go to New Orleans for research I'm usually there for a month, so my husband and I rent a little furnished house in the Faubourg Marigny. We never have a car. I take the St. Claude Avenue bus as far as Canal Street and walk the rest of the way to NOPL or the Notarial Archives a few blocks further on Poydras Street. This isn't the nicest part of town, not because it's dangerous, but because it's ugly. There must be parking garages, but I've never paid any attention to them; remember that you're just a few blocks from the Superdome, and there's got to be parking for that. You could also call United Cab at 504-522-9771. Put this number in your cell phone. They're great. They come right away and the drivers know where they're going. You didn't mention where you're staying--at a hotel, or with friends/relatives? If you stay at one of the big hotels on Canal Street, you can walk to NOPL and the Archives. There's also a Holiday Inn very near NOPL. Carolyn Long ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "LAORLEAN-L" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 3:03 PM Subject: [LAORLEAN] Parking near NOPL > > > I know this has been discussed before but I failed to save any of the > e-mails. Planning a driving trip first week in Sept. to the library. I > also seem to remember someone saying a hotel was nearby. Any help > appreciated. > > > > Helen McCarthy > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message