The obituary in the Bee was usually published the day after the person died. If a person died on April 14, the obituary would on April 15 & generally on first page about 6th column. When I research the Bee online I check how many pages are listed for the particular month & guesstimate where that day's issue will be. Then it's a matter of going backwards or forwards til you find what you need. Danna -----Original Message----- From: Cheramie Breaux <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, Sep 4, 2010 9:00 am Subject: [LAORLEAN] searching the Bee okay, I'm stumped. I found the New Orleans Bee online at the JP ibrary site. Do you really have to read every paper for every day to ind an obit that may not even be there? Okay, I'm stupid. I need help. :>) Thanks, heramie eople say "High Maintenance!" like it's a bad thing. ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

What is the URL to open up the Bee? -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 9:14 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] searching the Bee > > The obituary in the Bee was usually published the day after the person > died. If a person died on April 14, the obituary would on April 15 & > generally on first page about 6th column. When I research the Bee online I > check how many pages are listed for the particular month & guesstimate > where that day's issue will be. Then it's a matter of going backwards or > forwards til you find what you need. > > Danna > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cheramie Breaux <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, Sep 4, 2010 9:00 am > Subject: [LAORLEAN] searching the Bee > > > okay, I'm stumped. I found the New Orleans Bee online at the JP > ibrary site. Do you really have to read every paper for every day to > ind an obit that may not even be there? > Okay, I'm stupid. I need help. :>) > Thanks, > heramie > eople say "High Maintenance!" like it's a bad thing. > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

okay, I'm stumped. I found the New Orleans Bee online at the JP library site. Do you really have to read every paper for every day to find an obit that may not even be there? Okay, I'm stupid. I need help. :>) Thanks, Cheramie People say "High Maintenance!" like it's a bad thing.

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. It's been a while since I put them in L'Heritage, and I lost all of my books in Katrina. If I could see the page I would be sure. All I can say is if it is what I remember, I sat in the records room in St Bernard Parish clerk of courts many a days and copied the information from huge docket books.  The room was down a few steps from first floor. Since Katina put  7 feet or more of water over the entire parish for over two weeks, the books may have been damaged.  If that's the case, I wish they would just say so. St. Bernard and Plaquemines Parish intermingled so much in those early days. I think Plaquemines is now the 25th. But the books were in St Bernard !! Now I am curious as to what is going on. Sally  ________________________________ From: Gene Data <[email protected]> To: LAORLEAN <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 3:02:39 PM Subject: [LAORLEAN] any ideas Hi, I have 2 citations that I had wanted to get from St. Bernard or so I thought. I called them and they directed me to Plaquemines. Called Plaquemines and they said they don't have them. Each parish says that the court numbers  listed are not their court numbers. So.... where to go now? Do you think the lady at St. Bernard made and mistake and they really do have them? I can't send for the records until I speak with them first to figure out how much I will owe. Any help appreciated: #269 Victor Cieutat      Drawer C-3,    File #4      Date: [maybe 13 May 1924] #597-883  Mr. and Mrs Jean Marie Cieutat  Drawer C-4      File #3      Date 22 Nov 1912 both seem to come from Probate Docket 25th Judicial Court St. Bernard Parish Citations were found in L'Heritage, Volume 7, 25 Jan 1984, Page 73 reported by Sally Embry Viada. Renee in St Louis ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Renee, I see them in the newspapers on genealogybank.com. Have you looked there? Penny T     'A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have.' ........ Thomas Jefferson ________________________________ From: Gene Data <[email protected]> To: LAORLEAN <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 3:02:39 PM Subject: [LAORLEAN] any ideas Hi, I have 2 citations that I had wanted to get from St. Bernard or so I thought. I called them and they directed me to Plaquemines. Called Plaquemines and they said they don't have them. Each parish says that the court numbers  listed are not their court numbers. So.... where to go now? Do you think the lady at St. Bernard made and mistake and they really do have them? I can't send for the records until I speak with them first to figure out how much I will owe. Any help appreciated: #269 Victor Cieutat      Drawer C-3,    File #4      Date: [maybe 13 May 1924] #597-883  Mr. and Mrs Jean Marie Cieutat  Drawer C-4      File #3      Date 22 Nov 1912 both seem to come from Probate Docket 25th Judicial Court St. Bernard Parish Citations were found in L'Heritage, Volume 7, 25 Jan 1984, Page 73 reported by Sally Embry Viada. Renee in St Louis ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Cathy, I was just showing you the old one for informational purposes. The new one that includes you will be coming out in a few days. Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy Peacock" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call Documents > Still not on list > > > > Cathy Peacock ~ [email protected] > > > > Researching names Stanley, Schaffer, Wolf > > > > Thanks > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Still not on list Cathy Peacock ~ [email protected] Researching names Stanley, Schaffer, Wolf Thanks

Never Mind. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 1:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call Documents Hi list, I just sent Roll Call Documents to the list of email addresses at the bottom of this email. I had made a cover letter that went with them, but I had trouble sending them and lost the cover letter. It said that I made all of the changes that I could find in my papers and notes. If you sent something, and it is not reflected in the documents, or your name is not in the list of email addresses, you will need to contact me again. I did decide to take the lines that had two names on one line with a slash, and put the two names on separate lines, and removed the slash. If you do not think that is appropriate, let's have a discussion about it. Joan [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] linda @stokesbury.org [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Renee: The article title says it's St. Bernard Parish and from the names listed, they probably are. District court numbers change over time, so back then, St. Bernard may have been in the 25th JDC. The drawer numbers may also not be relevant any more, especially since Katrina. They may even be inaccessible. As I noted in the June issue of Le Raconteur, the St. Bernard clerk's office is temporarily being housed in a strip mall while the old courthouse is being renovated. Some of the older records are stored in a warehouse. They may not be accessible for some time. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Data" <[email protected]> To: "Rootsweb Mailing List: LAORLEAN" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:02 PM Subject: [LAORLEAN] any ideas > Hi, > I have 2 citations that I had wanted to get from St. Bernard or so I > thought. I called them and they directed me to Plaquemines. Called > Plaquemines and they said they don't have them. Each parish says that > the court numbers listed are not their court numbers. > > So.... where to go now? Do you think the lady at St. Bernard made and > mistake and they really do have them? > > I can't send for the records until I speak with them first to figure out > how much I will owe. > > Any help appreciated: > > > #269 Victor Cieutat Drawer C-3, File #4 Date: [maybe 13 > May 1924] > > #597-883 Mr. and Mrs Jean Marie Cieutat Drawer C-4 File #3 > Date 22 Nov 1912 > > both seem to come from Probate Docket 25th Judicial Court > St. Bernard Parish > > Citations were found in L'Heritage, Volume 7, 25 Jan 1984, Page 73 > reported by Sally Embry Viada. > > Renee > in St Louis > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I have 2 citations that I had wanted to get from St. Bernard or so I thought. I called them and they directed me to Plaquemines. Called Plaquemines and they said they don't have them. Each parish says that the court numbers listed are not their court numbers. So.... where to go now? Do you think the lady at St. Bernard made and mistake and they really do have them? I can't send for the records until I speak with them first to figure out how much I will owe. Any help appreciated: #269 Victor Cieutat Drawer C-3, File #4 Date: [maybe 13 May 1924] #597-883 Mr. and Mrs Jean Marie Cieutat Drawer C-4 File #3 Date 22 Nov 1912 both seem to come from Probate Docket 25th Judicial Court St. Bernard Parish Citations were found in L'Heritage, Volume 7, 25 Jan 1984, Page 73 reported by Sally Embry Viada. Renee in St Louis

Please add me to the list! Cathy Peacock ~ [email protected] Researching names Stanley, Schaffer, Wolf.

Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Help with some email addresses = Part 2 Hi Betty, Your four lines are in. You can expect the finalized version in a few days. I HOPE. Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "B.A. Davies" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Help with some email addresses = Part 2 > Please add me to your list. I am connected to the Delhommer's, > Darensbourg's, Lawton's, and Reid's. My e-mail is [email protected] > Hope I'm not too late. Thank you. Betty Ann Davies > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of mtraq14 > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 6:44 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Help with some email addresses = Part 2 > > Joan, Great job on your lists. Just a suggestion, perhaps if you deleted > the > > spaces between the name and @ and the address, it might go through. Notice > all that did not go through for you had spaces. Tommie eQ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:46 PM > Subject: [LAORLEAN] Help with some email addresses = Part 2 > > > Here are the email addresses from the other half of the alphabet that > could > not be found. Can someone help me with these? > Joan > > OlingerMSA @ cs.com > > <OlingerMSA @ cs.com> > > > > Marilyn Morris > > <marilynmorris @ charter.net> > > > > tuminco @ mail.iinet.au > > <tuminco @ mail.iinet.au> > > > > lvpritchett @ ureach.com > > <lvpritchett @ ureach.com> > > > > nuruc8 @ att.net > > <nuruc8 @ att.net> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Betty, Your four lines are in. You can expect the finalized version in a few days. I HOPE. Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "B.A. Davies" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Help with some email addresses = Part 2 > Please add me to your list. I am connected to the Delhommer's, > Darensbourg's, Lawton's, and Reid's. My e-mail is [email protected] > Hope I'm not too late. Thank you. Betty Ann Davies > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of mtraq14 > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 6:44 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Help with some email addresses = Part 2 > > Joan, Great job on your lists. Just a suggestion, perhaps if you deleted > the > > spaces between the name and @ and the address, it might go through. Notice > all that did not go through for you had spaces. Tommie eQ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:46 PM > Subject: [LAORLEAN] Help with some email addresses = Part 2 > > > Here are the email addresses from the other half of the alphabet that > could > not be found. Can someone help me with these? > Joan > > OlingerMSA @ cs.com > > <OlingerMSA @ cs.com> > > > > Marilyn Morris > > <marilynmorris @ charter.net> > > > > tuminco @ mail.iinet.au > > <tuminco @ mail.iinet.au> > > > > lvpritchett @ ureach.com > > <lvpritchett @ ureach.com> > > > > nuruc8 @ att.net > > <nuruc8 @ att.net> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please add me to your list. I am connected to the Delhommer's, Darensbourg's, Lawton's, and Reid's. My e-mail is [email protected] Hope I'm not too late. Thank you. Betty Ann Davies -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mtraq14 Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 6:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Help with some email addresses = Part 2 Joan, Great job on your lists. Just a suggestion, perhaps if you deleted the spaces between the name and @ and the address, it might go through. Notice all that did not go through for you had spaces. Tommie eQ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]al.net> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:46 PM Subject: [LAORLEAN] Help with some email addresses = Part 2 Here are the email addresses from the other half of the alphabet that could not be found. Can someone help me with these? Joan OlingerMSA @ cs.com <OlingerMSA @ cs.com> Marilyn Morris <marilynmorris @ charter.net> tuminco @ mail.iinet.au <tuminco @ mail.iinet.au> lvpritchett @ ureach.com <lvpritchett @ ureach.com> nuruc8 @ att.net <nuruc8 @ att.net> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please add my name: Lynn Bagley King / [email protected] Researching Fleming and Bagley Thanks.

Joan, Great job on your lists. Just a suggestion, perhaps if you deleted the spaces between the name and @ and the address, it might go through. Notice all that did not go through for you had spaces. Tommie eQ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:46 PM Subject: [LAORLEAN] Help with some email addresses = Part 2 Here are the email addresses from the other half of the alphabet that could not be found. Can someone help me with these? Joan OlingerMSA @ cs.com <OlingerMSA @ cs.com> Marilyn Morris <marilynmorris @ charter.net> tuminco @ mail.iinet.au <tuminco @ mail.iinet.au> lvpritchett @ ureach.com <lvpritchett @ ureach.com> nuruc8 @ att.net <nuruc8 @ att.net> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here are the email addresses from the other half of the alphabet that could not be found. Can someone help me with these? Joan OlingerMSA @ cs.com <OlingerMSA @ cs.com> Marilyn Morris <marilynmorris @ charter.net> tuminco @ mail.iinet.au <tuminco @ mail.iinet.au> lvpritchett @ ureach.com <lvpritchett @ ureach.com> nuruc8 @ att.net <nuruc8 @ att.net>

Hi, The following list of email addresses are being refused when I try to send Roll Call documents. This is for half of the alphabet. I will put together a list for the other half of the alphabet also. emwrocky @ aol.com <emwrocky @ aol.com> jschengrund @ earthlink.net <jschengrund @ earthlink.net> genealogy @ noesnada.com <genealogy @ noesnada.com> ebernard @ mobiletel.com <ebernard @ mobiletel.com> Cheramie Breaux <chamoo @ cox.net> Craig Borne <cjborne @ comcast.net> cat @ ambiancestudio.com <cat @ ambiancestudio.com> gatedesco45 @ yahoo.com <gatedesco45 @ yahoo.com> delahoussayes @ worldnet.att.net <delahoussayes @ worldnet.att.net> If you are one of these, or you know of one of these, please let me know. Joan Schaefer

Joan, Great job! Thank you so much for all the hard work! Julie ---- [email protected] wrote: > Hi list, > I just sent Roll Call Documents to the list of email addresses at the bottom of this email. I had made a cover letter that went with them, but I had trouble sending them and lost the cover letter. It said that I made all of the changes that I could find in my papers and notes. If you sent something, and it is not reflected in the documents, or your name is not in the list of email addresses, you will need to contact me again. > I did decide to take the lines that had two names on one line with a slash, and put the two names on separate lines, and removed the slash. If you do not think that is appropriate, let's have a discussion about it. > Joan > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > linda @stokesbury.org > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joan, I may not have been a member of this forum when you made that list. My name is Helen Lehmann Smith Address: helensm at hot.rr.com (no spaces and @ sign) The names I am researching in New Orleans are: Lehmann, Develle, Martin, Lavergne I can read PDF files. It would be great to find others researching the same surnames. Thanks, Helen Smith From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:57 PM Subject: [LAORLEAN] Roll Call Clarification > It seems that we need some clarification about what Roll Call is. The > members of the list have given me a set of names that they are > researching. One of the documents that I provided to you early Wednesday > morning was a list of the names that each person was researching and the > researcher's name and email address, in email address order. Each person > being researched by that researcher was on one line of the document. > > That document started off as an Excel Spreadsheet. I then took the > document, and sorted it on the first column. That means that everyone in > the group researching a certain name will have that name drawn together > with all of the other researchers, pulling the email addresses together. > > The point is to inform you of who else is interested in the surnames that > you are researching. > > Since not everyone is able to deal with Microsoft Excel, and almost > everyone is capable of dealing with PDF files, I converted my outcome to > PDF files. (Craig, are you my exception to that rule?) > > Since the LAORLEAN List cannot take on attachments, I took the list of > email addresses from the document, and split it in half, and sent the two > documents to each name on the list. > > Also, I sent an email to the LAORLEAN List with the list of email > addresses that I had sent to. Thus, if your address what not on that list, > you need to tell me what your old email address was, and I will change the > document. If you were not on the old document, I'll need to get your list > of names being researched. > > Is this being helpful yet? > > Get back to me with questions if you have them. > > Joan Schaefer > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >