Kathy, Yes. The birth records that helped me were from the 1850s. Copies of these birth records are here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wegener/wegener_records/cvb/ See for example wcvb0022, which was from 1850 and gives my great-great-grandfather’s birthplace as “the Kingdom of Wurtemberg” [Württemberg] and his wife’s birthplace as “Hessen Cassel” [Hessen-Kassel]. Having a starting place like Württemberg or Hessen-Kassel can be useful, but for me it hasn’t worked yet in their cases. I have found all of my ancestors in what is today Germany, except for these two. I have a feeling you’ll have better luck. Norm --- On Fri, 12/10/10, Kathy Cochran <[email protected]> wrote: . . . > but the > last one you mentioned, that of finding CIVIL records of the > birth children in NOLA might be fruitful.  You > mentioned that "especially the earlier ones" might give the > area of Germany from which the immigrant came.  My Born > children were born in NOLA from 1855-1879.  Is this per > chance the time period that you were talking about as > "earlier"?

Colleen suggested I give the list a try. Does anyone have access to Charity Hospital admittance records?I am interested in finding if the following were admitted to Charity Hospital before their deaths. Confirmed death dates: John L. Harder, 1858-09-02 (source: Daily Picayune, 1858-09-03, Pg. 2 col. 5) born in Alabama Daniel N. Harder, 1858-08-27 (source: Daily Picayune, 1858-08-28, Pg. 2 col. 6) born in Alabama Unconfirmed death date: Nicholas Harder, Sept. 24, 1857; born in NY Thanks, Spruill

So, where would the registrations of births be? I have already contacted the Louisiana State Archives, and they have birth records for this period, but I take it that is NOT the registration that you are talking about. The Archives told me that these records (the birth records only, not the registrations of the births) have been microfilmed by the LDS, and so should be available on FamilySearch.org. Or is it the same, and am I confused? Thanks for clearing up the mud................! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] My Great Grandfather was a Mason Kathy,I have also found that if the birth was registered often more detailed locations of the birthplace of the parents are listed. My g/g/grandmother registered in 1857 her son, my g/grandfather 8 years after his birth in 1849 in NOLA and another son when she registered her newborn daughter. It gave all the German political subdivisions, down to the town, where both she and her husband came from. Check the birth index and if you can find him it would be worthwhile sending for the record(s). And Norm's the man for explaining [almost anything German] especially the political subdivision stuff, which can be quite tangled since it frequently changed prior to German unification. Good luck, Cate ;-} -----Original Message----- From: Kathy CochranSent: Friday, December 10, 2010 1:37 PMTo: [email protected]: Re: [LAORLEAN] My Great Grandfather was a Mason Norm, This was some great stuff you sent. I have exhausted most of the sources / suggestions you made..............but the last one you mentioned, that of finding CIVIL records of the birth children in NOLA might be fruitful. You mentioned that "especially the earlier ones" might give the area of Germany from which the immigrant came. My Born children were born in NOLA from 1855-1879. Is this per chance the time period that you were talking about as "earlier"? Thanks again ......Kathy -----Original Message-----From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Norm HellmersSent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:49 AMTo: [email protected]: Re: [LAORLEAN] My Great Grandfather was a Mason Kathy,The soc.genealogy.german archives includes this FAQ:Subject: 10. How can I find out what village my ancestor came from? This is sometimes easy, sometimes quite difficult, and sometimes impossible. This is the general order of resources to be used in finding the German origin of German-American families: o Narratives from older relatives. o Previous family research, notes, etc., if available. o Family documents or mementos from the old country. o US census (1920 and earlier) - can learn immigration and/or naturalization year. o IGI, for uncommon names, if the birth or marriage date is known, or if two names in combination are known. o Passenger ship records, both arrival lists and embarkation lists, and indexes like _Germans to America_. o Naturalization records - usually held at the county level in the US. o Obituaries, especially in German-language newspapers. o American church records. o County histories/genealog! ies. o Local historical/genealogical societies. o Local fraternal and other ethnic or cultural organizations. o Tombstones or cemetery records. o German state emigration records and indexes, including citizenship release papers, passports, estate and debt settlement papers, property sales, departure taxes, expulsion papers, and records for transportation of minors. o US Social Security records, for individuals living after 1935. Note that the Social Security Death Index is only a start. o Probate records. o US Civil War pension or other military records, if appropriate. o Ahnenstammkartei (ASTAKA). o Individuals in Germany with the same name, but only if the name is very unusual or if you know approximately where your ancestor came from. o Neighbors in America, because sometimes unrelated families emigrated together. o Contemporary newspapers, which often printed passenger lists and emigrant correspondence.See also:http://w! ww.familysearch.org/eng/search/rg/guide/tracing_immigrant_orig! ins.aspD o you have the civil birth records for all of Jacob’s children born in Orleans Parish? Some of mine, especially the earlier ones, give the area of Germany from which the immigrant came. That would be a start.Norm--- On Thu, 12/9/10, Kathy Cochran <[email protected]> wrote:.. .. . > My great-grandfather Edward Augustus Born was born in> Orleans Parish, New> Orleans 7 Aug 1855. He lived his adult married life> in Corpus Christi,> Texas, but I am wondering if I could find out if his> father, my great-great> grandfather, Jacob Born, a partner in the Rice-Born> Hardware Store, Ltd.,> was also a Mason as well. And if so, maybe I could> eventually find out what> town in Germany he emigrated from. Does anyone have> any suggestions about> how to find this?.. . . -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Norm, This was some great stuff you sent. I have exhausted most of the sources / suggestions you made..............but the last one you mentioned, that of finding CIVIL records of the birth children in NOLA might be fruitful. You mentioned that "especially the earlier ones" might give the area of Germany from which the immigrant came. My Born children were born in NOLA from 1855-1879. Is this per chance the time period that you were talking about as "earlier"? Thanks again ......Kathy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Norm Hellmers Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] My Great Grandfather was a Mason Kathy, The soc.genealogy.german archives includes this FAQ: Subject: 10. How can I find out what village my ancestor came from? This is sometimes easy, sometimes quite difficult, and sometimes impossible. This is the general order of resources to be used in finding the German origin of German-American families: o Narratives from older relatives. o Previous family research, notes, etc., if available. o Family documents or mementos from the old country. o US census (1920 and earlier) - can learn immigration and/or naturalization year. o IGI, for uncommon names, if the birth or marriage date is known, or if two names in combination are known. o Passenger ship records, both arrival lists and embarkation lists, and indexes like _Germans to America_. o Naturalization records - usually held at the county level in the US. o Obituaries, especially in German-language newspapers. o American church records. o County histories/genealogies. o Local historical/genealogical societies. o Local fraternal and other ethnic or cultural organizations. o Tombstones or cemetery records. o German state emigration records and indexes, including citizenship release papers, passports, estate and debt settlement papers, property sales, depa! rture taxes, expulsion papers, and records for transportation of minors. o US Social Security records, for individuals living after 1935. Note that the Social Security Death Index is only a start. o Probate records. o US Civil War pension or other military records, if appropriate. o Ahnenstammkartei (ASTAKA). o Individuals in Germany with the same name, but only if the name is very unusual or if you know approximately where your ancestor came from. o Neighbors in America, because sometimes unrelated families emigrated together. o Contemporary newspapers, which often printed passenger lists and emigrant correspondence. See also:http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/rg/guide/tracing_immigrant_origins.asp Do you have the civil birth records for all of Jacob’s children born in Orleans Parish? Some of mine, especially the earlier ones, give the area of Germany from which the immigrant came. That would be a start. Norm --- On Thu, 12/9/10, Kathy Cochran <[email protected]> wrote:.. . . > My great-grandfather Edward Augustus Born was born in> Orleans Parish, New> Orleans 7 Aug 1855. He lived his adult married life> in Corpus Christi,> Texas, but I am wondering if I could find out if his> father, my great-great> grandfather, Jacob Born, a partner in the Rice-Born> Hardware Store, Ltd.,> was also a Mason as well. And if so, maybe I could> eventually find out what> town in Germany he emigrated from. Does anyone have> any suggestions about> how to find this?.. . . -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kathy, The soc.genealogy.german archives includes this FAQ: Subject: 10. How can I find out what village my ancestor came from? This is sometimes easy, sometimes quite difficult, and sometimes impossible. This is the general order of resources to be used in finding the German origin of German-American families: o Narratives from older relatives. o Previous family research, notes, etc., if available. o Family documents or mementos from the old country. o US census (1920 and earlier) - can learn immigration and/or naturalization year. o IGI, for uncommon names, if the birth or marriage date is known, or if two names in combination are known. o Passenger ship records, both arrival lists and embarkation lists, and indexes like _Germans to America_. o Naturalization records - usually held at the county level in the US. o Obituaries, especially in German-language newspapers. o American church records. o County histories/genealogies. o Local historical/genealogical societies. o Local fraternal and other ethnic or cultural organizations. o Tombstones or cemetery records. o German state emigration records and indexes, including citizenship release papers, passports, estate and debt settlement papers, property sales, departure taxes, expulsion papers, and records for transportation of minors. o US Social Security records, for individuals living after 1935. Note that the Social Security Death Index is only a start. o Probate records. o US Civil War pension or other military records, if appropriate. o Ahnenstammkartei (ASTAKA). o Individuals in Germany with the same name, but only if the name is very unusual or if you know approximately where your ancestor came from. o Neighbors in America, because sometimes unrelated families emigrated together. o Contemporary newspapers, which often printed passenger lists and emigrant correspondence. See also: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/rg/guide/tracing_immigrant_origins.asp Do you have the civil birth records for all of Jacob’s children born in Orleans Parish? Some of mine, especially the earlier ones, give the area of Germany from which the immigrant came. That would be a start. Norm --- On Thu, 12/9/10, Kathy Cochran <[email protected]> wrote: . . . > My great-grandfather Edward Augustus Born was born in > Orleans Parish, New > Orleans 7 Aug 1855.  He lived his adult married life > in Corpus Christi, > Texas, but I am wondering if I could find out if his > father, my great-great > grandfather, Jacob Born, a partner in the Rice-Born > Hardware Store, Ltd., > was also a Mason as well.  And if so, maybe I could > eventually find out what > town in Germany he emigrated from.  Does anyone have > any suggestions about > how to find this? . . .

To Kathy Cochran, Was he Lutheran? They have wonderful church records. Back in the old days, when they joined the church their names were lised in the front of the book, and it usually gave their place of birth and father's name. That's where I found some of mine at Zion Lutheran on St. Charles St. Other older Lutheran churches are St. Paul and St. John. Also, try the Masons for records. Lutherans frown on Masonry, and some forbid it, so your great-grandfather may not have been Lutheran. However, there were some Masons in our church in spite of it. After you get the town, you will likely still have to narrow it down. There are many towns or villages in Germany with the same names. Was the immigrant married before he came? Church records may give her place of birth also. Then compare the zip codes with the two places that are closest together. Worked for me. Cynthia ------------------------

Hello Cynthia, Edward's parents were Presbyterian with the Lafayette Presbyterian Church. I have already rented the LDS Microfilm that had the marriage records and was most disappointed to find that when he married, it only listed: "Jacob Born and Mena Rice, 3 August 1854." I was so disappointed. Maybe what you are saying is that I should look for when he joined the church. Thanks for your suggestions. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cynthia Dean Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 6:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] My Great Grandfather was a Mason To Kathy Cochran, Was he Lutheran? They have wonderful church records. Back in the old days, when they joined the church their names were lised in the front of the book, and it usually gave their place of birth and father's name. That's where I found some of mine at Zion Lutheran on St. Charles St. Other older Lutheran churches are St. Paul and St. John. Also, try the Masons for records. Lutherans frown on Masonry, and some forbid it, so your great-grandfather may not have been Lutheran. However, there were some Masons in our church in spite of it. After you get the town, you will likely still have to narrow it down. There are many towns or villages in Germany with the same names. Was the immigrant married before he came? Church records may give her place of birth also. Then compare the zip codes with the two places that are closest together. Worked for me. Cynthia ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, I just posted an update on one of the Forensic Genealogy cases I am working on - trying to identify the amnesiac who goes by the name of Benjaman Kyle. I plan to post a couple of more articles in the next few days, so make sure you check back. _http://identifinders.wordpress.com_ (http://identifinders.wordpress.com) Enjoy! Colleen

I have been reading all the messages on St Roch. The problem with Section E in 1904 verses Section E now are they are in two different spots of the cemetery. 1904 is no longer there, some years back [not sure when] with the decaying of some vaults they were moved out and the memorial wall vaults were built such as block 1 now in section D and block 2 in section C. Families had the option to repair the old or purchase a new vault, if not they remains were put in a common plot. Also if family was not around to claim the burial spots, these were also put in a common plot. Kinda like what they did when they moved Girod Street to Hope. Now with some families they did get new plots and remains were moved to the new, but may have not been listed in the interment books. Sometimes there is a note in red pen about transferred to a new location. I have most of the burial cards here from the cemetery, but they are for the new plots not the original. If you can locate a family member that is also buried in the cemetery, a lot of time the original is buried with them. Jackie was the last sexton to work there, but with the crime on the rise in the area he was moved and only goes when a burial is taking place or if he is requested to go. They are working out of St Louis # 3 office the last I talked to him. The only reason I do not have the first interment book, it was not at the cemetery when I copied everything. Then soon after Katrina we moved out of the city so I didn't have time to get to the library and copy the microfilm. Hope this helps Dee

Carolyn & All: I did not mean to infer burial or day books were not kept before 1904, but that burial locations were not noted in the books regularly before then and I stand by my statement. Deeds were the most reliable source of information prior to 1904 (unless of course you did know the deceased's tomb and the information was on the tomb stone and their remains had not be moved without telling you). I think if you examine the copy of the microfilm you sent me you will note the No. column is consecutively numbered. My experience tells me this is just that, a consecutive numbering of the burials in the cemetery up to that time to keep track of how many "residents" had been welcomed since the cemetery commenced in 1868 and not a plot, copping, wall vault or tomb location number. I think Barbara, like many of us when anxious to reach conclusions in research, misinterpreted her data and didn't catch the mistake before she published. The St. Roch neighborhood, in which I lived as a young child and where many of my relatives lived their whole lives and now still reside in the Campo Santo, was always an "integrated" neighborhood and cemetery. I can recall there was a "colored" section in the cemetery. I remember it have been toward the back of cemetery 1 adjacent to the back gate where the area has been renovated with new wall vaults. That path is now called St. Hubert's walk. My great grandparents and a lot of other relatives are interred in Sq. B, Sec. 3, wall vaults 21 & 22 in the original part of the wall on St. Hubert's walk. In my youth, we visited the cemetery a lot - for holidays, birthdays, anniversaries, because it was a nice day or we had flowers in the garden, etc. My experience and gut again tells me Messr. Jean Montanée/John Montagne was the 2225 burial in the cemetery, that he was in the "colored" section, and that his resting place was renovated and no longer exists as it did when he was buried. Can't prove it, just feel I'm correct based on my relationship with St. Roch for nearly 60 years. I wouldn't want you to represent someone else's data as fact when it is not nor can you determine it is even convincing evidence based on Aug. 1885 day book page. Just trying to cover your back because you are too good a genealogist for that to happen. Cate ;-} -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Long Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 2:18 PM To: Orleans Parish list Subject: [LAORLEAN] Fw: St. Roch Cemetery I wanted to share with the entire list the information that I sent to one list member who pointed out that it is impossible to locate a tomb in St. Roch Cemetery without a deed: "The two cemetery deeds in my possession from St. Roch list all occupants and dates of burial as well as location information. St. Roch kept day books but did not record the location of burials until 1904." This is useful, but St. Roch did, in fact, keep Interment Books prior to 1904. They are housed at the Archdiocesan Archives and are available on microfilm at New Orleans Public Library, Louisiana Division, 3rd floor. For her article in New Orleans Genesis, Barbara Trevigne found the information about John Montagne's burial place from the St. Roch Interment Book, vol. 1 Campo Santo, 1882-1907. I looked at the original interment book at the Archdiocesan Archives, but I copied it from the microfilm at NOPL because researchers aren't allowed to photocopy the records at the Archives. I have scanned my copy, but this list doesn't accept attachments. So I'll describe it. Along the top of the page is written "Campo Santo 1885." Below that are columns--the headings are in German because this was primarily a German cemetery at the time, and it is therefore unusual that this man, Jean Montanée/John Montagne, a native of Africa, was interred here. The first column is day of death, second is Monat (month) August, then Square, No. (number), R. (row), Jahr (years/age at death), Monat (months), Race W--C (white--colored), Residenz (residence at time of death). John Montagne is the sixth name down, and it shows that he died 23 August, that his tomb is Square E, no. 2225, row I, that he was 70 years old, colored, and died at 89 Villere. This is consistant with his death certificate (vol. 87, p. 914), which says that "John Montanée, a native of Africa, aged seventy years, departed this life 23 August, 1885, at no. 89 North Villere Street [between Conti and St. Louis], cause of death Bright's disease." The death was reported by his daughter Alicia Montanée. I have pretty much given up hope of finding the location of this interment, but thought it might be useful to the list to know that St. Roch does have records that are earlier than 1904. Carolyn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List! My great-grandfather Edward Augustus Born was born in Orleans Parish, New Orleans 7 Aug 1855. He lived his adult married life in Corpus Christi, Texas, but I am wondering if I could find out if his father, my great-great grandfather, Jacob Born, a partner in the Rice-Born Hardware Store, Ltd., was also a Mason as well. And if so, maybe I could eventually find out what town in Germany he emigrated from. Does anyone have any suggestions about how to find this? Thanks so much in advance for any thoughts that you could send my way. Kathy Cochran > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Renee - They are at 513 Octavia (bet Laurel & Constance). Their ph # is 504-899-7323 and they have a web site (octaviabooks.com) I don't live in NOLA, but at least I'll be there for Christmas! As they say, I'll have a Crescent City Christmas :-) Peggy Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Gene Data <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks.... > Peggy, whereabouts is Octavia Bookstore? > I haven't lived in NOLA for a Long time. > Is that uptown? > Renee >> --- On Sun, 12/5/10, Peggy<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: Peggy<[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] bookstores with strong genealogy sections >> To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]> >> Cc: "Rootsweb Mailing List: LAORLEAN"<[email protected]> >> Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 11:26 AM >> >> I order most of my genie books online but two of the local places I want to check out. They are good bookstores in general but since I haven't checked them out I can't say what their genealogy holdings are like. >> Maple Street Book Shop >> And >> Octavia Bookstore >> >> Peggy >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks.... Peggy, whereabouts is Octavia Bookstore? I haven't lived in NOLA for a Long time. Is that uptown? Renee > --- On Sun, 12/5/10, Peggy<[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Peggy<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] bookstores with strong genealogy sections > To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]> > Cc: "Rootsweb Mailing List: LAORLEAN"<[email protected]> > Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 11:26 AM > > I order most of my genie books online but two of the local places I want to check out. They are good bookstores in general but since I haven't checked them out I can't say what their genealogy holdings are like. > Maple Street Book Shop > And > Octavia Bookstore > > Peggy >

I wanted to share with the entire list the information that I sent to one list member who pointed out that it is impossible to locate a tomb in St. Roch Cemetery without a deed: "The two cemetery deeds in my possession from St. Roch list all occupants and dates of burial as well as location information. St. Roch kept day books but did not record the location of burials until 1904." This is useful, but St. Roch did, in fact, keep Interment Books prior to 1904. They are housed at the Archdiocesan Archives and are available on microfilm at New Orleans Public Library, Louisiana Division, 3rd floor. For her article in New Orleans Genesis, Barbara Trevigne found the information about John Montagne's burial place from the St. Roch Interment Book, vol. 1 Campo Santo, 1882-1907. I looked at the original interment book at the Archdiocesan Archives, but I copied it from the microfilm at NOPL because researchers aren't allowed to photocopy the records at the Archives. I have scanned my copy, but this list doesn't accept attachments. So I'll describe it. Along the top of the page is written "Campo Santo 1885." Below that are columns--the headings are in German because this was primarily a German cemetery at the time, and it is therefore unusual that this man, Jean Montanée/John Montagne, a native of Africa, was interred here. The first column is day of death, second is Monat (month) August, then Square, No. (number), R. (row), Jahr (years/age at death), Monat (months), Race W--C (white--colored), Residenz (residence at time of death). John Montagne is the sixth name down, and it shows that he died 23 August, that his tomb is Square E, no. 2225, row I, that he was 70 years old, colored, and died at 89 Villere. This is consistant with his death certificate (vol. 87, p. 914), which says that "John Montanée, a native of Africa, aged seventy years, departed this life 23 August, 1885, at no. 89 North Villere Street [between Conti and St. Louis], cause of death Bright's disease." The death was reported by his daughter Alicia Montanée. I have pretty much given up hope of finding the location of this interment, but thought it might be useful to the list to know that St. Roch does have records that are earlier than 1904. Carolyn

Thanks for directing me to this map. I see from this that the St. Joseph's Walk (aisle) is along the left side, but I still don't find any Square E or any vault numbered 2225. None of the tombs or vaults have 4-digit numbers. Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy" <[email protected]> To: "Carolyn Long" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] St. Roch Cemetery Carolyn - Dee has put a lot of info on the Orleans site, including a very good map. I don't know if you will get more than you already have, but I would check it out. Peggy Sent from my iPhone On Dec 8, 2010, at 5:49 PM, "Carolyn Long" <[email protected]> wrote: > Interments book, vol. 1

Carolyn, I don't know how Barbara knows of the tomb number and location for a burial (Barbara Trevigne published in the October 2010 New Orleans Genesis gives the location of the burial place of John Montagne, died August 23, 1885, as a wall vault in Square E, no. 2225, Row I, St. Joseph's aisle. ) unless she has the tomb deed. The two cemetery deeds in my possession from St. Roch list all occupants and dates of burial as well as location information. St. Roch kept day books but did not record the location of burials until 1904. I know this because I had a relative who was a sexton and the last really good one at St. Roch, Albert Hattier (now deceased) who could find people even without the records and a great great grandmother who died 22 March 1904 who was among the first ones with a recorded location in the day books. Dee's work helped me find her final resting place, but if you see the wall vault, you'd never know she is there. It has only the name TB Smith (still unknown to me) and her name was Mrs. Frederick Heier (Elisabeth Reber). The tomb belonged to someone in her granddaughter's inlaw family who must have been kind enough to bury a person who was probably too poor to have her own final resting place. And I'm still looking for Elizabeth's elusive husband who died about 1873 (that drilled down from city directory locations for his blacksmith business and then her being listed as his widow). I'd contact Barbara to fill in the details. Cate ;-} -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Long Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 9:39 PM To: Peggy ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] St. Roch Cemetery Thanks for directing me to this map. I see from this that the St. Joseph's Walk (aisle) is along the left side, but I still don't find any Square E or any vault numbered 2225. None of the tombs or vaults have 4-digit numbers. Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy" <[email protected]> To: "Carolyn Long" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] St. Roch Cemetery Carolyn - Dee has put a lot of info on the Orleans site, including a very good map. I don't know if you will get more than you already have, but I would check it out. Peggy Sent from my iPhone On Dec 8, 2010, at 5:49 PM, "Carolyn Long" <[email protected]> wrote: > Interments book, vol. 1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anybody know how to locate a tomb in St. Roch Cemetery? Is there a map? An article by Barbara Trevigne published in the October 2010 New Orleans Genesis gives the location of the burial place of John Montagne, died August 23, 1885, as a wall vault in Square E, no. 2225, Row I, St. Joseph's aisle. This is from the St. Roch Interments book, vol. 1 (1882-1907) Campo Santo, which I accessed on microfilm at NOPL. I'm sure this is the person I'm looking for (Jean Montanee) because the interment record gives his death date, age, race, and the place where he died. I assume that he is interred is in the older, front cemetery. I went there to look for his wall vault, but could find no Square E and no St. Joseph's aisle. There used to be a sexton there to help visitors, but no more. Carolyn Long

Carolyn - Dee has put a lot of info on the Orleans site, including a very good map. I don't know if you will get more than you already have, but I would check it out. Peggy Sent from my iPhone On Dec 8, 2010, at 5:49 PM, "Carolyn Long" <[email protected]> wrote: > Interments book, vol. 1

"wall vault in Square E, no. 2225, Row I, St. Joseph's aisle" The maps don't show anything like that.  Cem # 1 and Cem # 2 only show up to 3-digit numbers, not 4 digits.  Perhaps they've changed the numbering system in more recent years? You can find the cemetery maps at this link: http://www.usgwarchives.net/la/orleans/cemroch.htm Alexa Genealogy research since 1975 --- On Wed, 12/8/10, Carolyn Long <[email protected]> wrote: Does anybody know how to locate a tomb in St. Roch Cemetery? Is there a map? An article by Barbara Trevigne published in the October 2010 New Orleans Genesis gives the location of the burial place of John Montagne, died August 23, 1885, as a wall vault in Square E, no. 2225, Row I, St. Joseph's aisle. This is from the St. Roch Interments book, vol. 1 (1882-1907) Campo Santo, which I accessed on microfilm at NOPL. I'm sure this is the person I'm looking for (Jean Montanee) because the interment record gives his death date, age, race, and the place where he died. I assume that he is interred is in the older, front cemetery. I went there to look for his wall vault, but could find no Square E and no St. Joseph's aisle. There used to be a sexton there to help visitors, but no more. Carolyn Long

St. Joseph's Walk runs from St. Roch Ave to Music St along the North Rampart Street side of Cemetery # 1.  When entering the main gate, it's the last aisle to your left.  It runs the length of that side of the cemetery.  The only section E I can find is in St. Hubert's Walk along the back side of the cemetery, near the rear of the chapel. I don't see "St. Joseph" anywhere in Cemetery # 2. Alexa Genealogy research since 1975 --- On Wed, 12/8/10, Carolyn Long <[email protected]> wrote: From: Carolyn Long <[email protected]> Subject: [LAORLEAN] St. Roch Cemetery To: "Orleans Parish list" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 5:49 PM Does anybody know how to locate a tomb in St. Roch Cemetery? Is there a map? An article by Barbara Trevigne published in the October 2010 New Orleans Genesis gives the location of the burial place of John Montagne, died August 23, 1885, as a wall vault in Square E, no. 2225, Row I, St. Joseph's aisle. This is from the St. Roch Interments book, vol. 1 (1882-1907) Campo Santo, which I accessed on microfilm at NOPL. I'm sure this is the person I'm looking for (Jean Montanee) because the interment record gives his death date, age, race, and the place where he died. I assume that he is interred is in the older, front cemetery. I went there to look for his wall vault, but could find no Square E and no St. Joseph's aisle. There used to be a sexton there to help visitors, but no more. Carolyn Long