That site pre Katrina was the location of the New Orleans Police Department special operations divisions which included the mounted police stables (which have since the storm been relocated to the City Park stables). This is a url about its demolition in 2009. Paste it into your browser which should get you to it on NOLA.com Cate;-} www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/04/demolition_of_police_buildings.html -----Original Message----- From: Gene Data Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 9:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LAORLEAN] Help needed with question about retirement home in NOLA Good Sunday Morning, It's snowing furiously here in St. Louis.....! I have a question about something a cousin was telling me regarding a Confederate home, a retirement home for Civil War veterans which was located just off of Canal Street by St. Louis No. 2 Cemetery, which has since been torn down and replaced with an apartment building. Can someone tell us something about that place... its name.... or anything else to identify it? Thanks for any help Renee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kathy, The original 19th-century Orleans Parish birth registration records, and microfilm copies, are held by the Louisiana State Archives. To my knowledge, microfilms of these records are available no where else. Indexes to these records are available in several places: -- in notebooks and on microfilm at the Louisiana State Archives. I believe these indexes were created in the 1930s by the WPA. These have been superseded by online indexes. -- at the website of the Louisiana State Archives. See: http://www.sos.louisiana.gov/tabid/641/Default.aspx but the index is incomplete, covering only the late 19th century and the early 20th century. -- on Ancestry.com (at your library or through a subscription). See: http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=6587 Perhaps the best index is the one Barbara used to find some Born births at the Louisiana Archives site at USGenWeb: http://www.usgwarchives.net/la/orleans.htm It was created by NOVA volunteers entering data from the paper indexes at the Louisiana State Archives. It can be searched alphabetically: http://www.usgwarchives.net/la/orleans/birth-alpha.htm or by year: http://www.usgwarchives.net/la/orleans/birth-index.htm Note that on the Born births Barbara found for you, the volume and page columns are mislabeled, as Barbara suggested. Once you have the name, birth date, volume and page, you can make a copy for yourself at the Louisiana State Archives for 50 cents, or you can order a copy by mail for $5.00 each. You can order copies using this form: http://www.sos.louisiana.gov/Portals/0/archives/forms/LFP3LH8PublicVitalRecordsApplicationForm.pdf Hope this helps. Let us know if you have any luck. Norm --- On Fri, 12/10/10, Kathy Cochran <[email protected]> wrote: > So, where would the registrations of > births be?  I have already contacted the Louisiana > State Archives, and they have birth records for this period, > but I take it that is NOT the registration that you are > talking about.  The Archives told me that these records > (the birth records only, not the registrations of the > births) have been microfilmed by the LDS, and so should be > available on FamilySearch.org.   Or is it the > same, and am I confused?  > > Thanks for clearing up the mud................! > > Kathy . . .

Good Sunday Morning, It's snowing furiously here in St. Louis.....! I have a question about something a cousin was telling me regarding a Confederate home, a retirement home for Civil War veterans which was located just off of Canal Street by St. Louis No. 2 Cemetery, which has since been torn down and replaced with an apartment building. Can someone tell us something about that place... its name.... or anything else to identify it? Thanks for any help Renee

Renee, Thanks to Sally you have the name, Camp Nicholls. The site is on Bayou St. John on Moss Street, not far from the entrance to City Park. It is actually near St. Louis Cemetery No. 3 (not No. 2) close to the end of Esplanade Avenue (not Canal Street). The site is just towards the lake from an apartment building named the Esplanade at City Park. You can read some bits about its history here: http://www.myneworleans.com/New-Orleans-Magazine/June-2010/Julia-Street-with-Poydras-the-Parrot/ and here: http://www.bestofneworleans.com/gambit/new-orleans-know-it-all/Content?oid=1239773 and here: http://goo.gl/AzwiM A great site is here: https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/US_Military_Old_Soldiers_Home_Records Scroll down to Louisiana. There you will find links to the records of the home available through any Family History Center. There is also a link to a photo: http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/AAW&CISOPTR=312&CISOBOX=1&REC=11 Hope this helps. Norm --- On Sun, 12/12/10, Gene Data <[email protected]> wrote: . . . > I have a question about something a cousin was telling me > regarding a > Confederate home, a retirement home for Civil War veterans > which was > located just off of Canal Street by St. Louis No. 2 > Cemetery, which has > since been torn down and replaced with an apartment > building. > Can someone tell us something about that place... its > name.... or > anything else to identify it? > Thanks for any help > Renee

Off my head, could it be Camp Nicholls. If you google it, there is an old photo ________________________________ From: Gene Data <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, December 12, 2010 9:53:36 AM Subject: [LAORLEAN] Help needed with question about retirement home in NOLA Good Sunday Morning, It's snowing furiously here in St. Louis.....! I have a question about something a cousin was telling me regarding a Confederate home, a retirement home for Civil War veterans which was located just off of Canal Street by St. Louis No. 2 Cemetery, which has since been torn down and replaced with an apartment building. Can someone tell us something about that place... its name.... or anything else to identify it? Thanks for any help Renee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Norm, Interesting that they moved him 20+ yrs after his interment. Jan S - Orlando, FL -------Original Message------- From: Norm Hellmers Date: 12/11/2010 11:36:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] some help please re Resurrection Mausoleum Jan, There is a Resurrection Mausoleum at St. Bernard Memorial Gardens. See: http://www.stbernardmemorial.com/location/about/facility.html Norm --- On Fri, 12/10/10, Jan Strickland <[email protected]> wrote: > Working on some stuff for Cheramie > and she has a burial certificate that > states the following: > > Transferred to Resurrection Mausoleum, > Crypt 139, Tier D, Christ the Savior Patio Rgt. > on April 17, 1976 > > Where is Resurrection Mausoleum located, which > cemetery? . . . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jan, There is a Resurrection Mausoleum at St. Bernard Memorial Gardens. See: http://www.stbernardmemorial.com/location/about/facility.html Norm --- On Fri, 12/10/10, Jan Strickland <[email protected]> wrote: > Working on some stuff for Cheramie > and she has a burial certificate that > states the following: > > Transferred to Resurrection Mausoleum, > Crypt 139, Tier D, Christ the Savior Patio Rgt. > on April 17, 1976 > > Where is Resurrection Mausoleum located, which > cemetery?  . . .

Cate, I’ll privately send you what I have on Jacob Brinkmann. Regarding the records of First English and Zion, they are not available through the FHL. The records of Zion have been microfilmed and are available at the Historic New Orleans Collection. They might also be available at the German-American Cultural Center in Gretna, but I don’t know what services are available there. To my knowledge, the records of First English have never been microfilmed or digitized. They are probably only available at the church’s office in Metairie. Hope this helps. Norm --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer <[email protected]> wrote: . . . > Also, are the First English and Zion church records > available from the FHL? . . .

Norm, I'd be glad to have his information as well. I know he died within a couple of year after she did and I don't recall his having remarried. Since moving to Houma after the storm, a couple of computer crashes and program changes - now I using Legacy 7 - and laying off genealogy for a couple of years (not to mention the onset of "oldtimers disease"), now when I go back to look for source citations I recall having had, I just can't find them. So there are a lot of do overs. But it's much easier now that so much info is on line. Also, are the First English and Zion church records available from the FHL? I am looking for info still about Georg [I] who I think joined First English with Lena and g/father Caspar and my father Casper [Miffie] who were members of Zion on St. Charles according to their obits. Yet as I recall it was the pastor of First English who ministered to my daddy during his terminal stays at East Jefferson hospital ... but that may have been because he was the Lutheran chaplain for the hospital. My mother and I really liked him; wish I could remember his name too. I'm so glad you found me on the genie group. I have learned so much from you thus far and I'm sure will in the future. I hope you don't mind my continuing to tap you as a future resource. Thanks, Cate ;-} -----Original Message----- From: Norm Hellmers Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 3:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Jacob Brinkmann and Louisa Georgiana Schweitzer Cate, Regarding your paragraph on Louisa Georgiana Schweitzer, I do have her in my records and her marriage to Jacob Brinkmann. They were married 25 Apr 1906 at First English Lutheran Church in New Orleans. My sources show: Civil marriage record (index); 1831-1994; Recorder of Births, Marriages and Deaths, New Orleans Health Department; 25 Apr 1906, v 27, p 879; Microfilm FF652, New Orleans Public Library, New Orleans LA. Note: Found at Ancestry.com, New Orleans, Louisiana Marriage Records Index, 1831-1925: Jacob Brinkmann, 37, to Georgiana Schweitzer, 22, married 25 Apr 1906, v27, p879. Church marriage record; 1888-1907; First English Lutheran Church, New Orleans, LA; Book I, p 285, [no number]; First English Lutheran Church, Metairie, LA. [H-COM-0011] Note: The witnesses were E. Penot F. Genoles, Katie Schroeder, E. Brinkman, and Philip Forschler. The bride and groom have notations "N.O., La," presumably their birthplaces. If you want any of my additional records on Jacob Brinkmann, I would happy to send them to you. Norm --- On Fri, 12/10/10, Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer <[email protected]> wrote: . . . > BTW, Lena and George Schweitzer did have a daughter name > Louisa Georgiana > [b. 23 Oct 1883] who married Jacob Brinkman between 1900 - > 1910 and died at > age 29 [10 Feb 1913]. I don't recall seeing her on > your tree site. If you > want or need another leaf on your family tree, here it is. . . . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cate, Regarding your paragraph on Louisa Georgiana Schweitzer, I do have her in my records and her marriage to Jacob Brinkmann. They were married 25 Apr 1906 at First English Lutheran Church in New Orleans. My sources show: Civil marriage record (index); 1831-1994; Recorder of Births, Marriages and Deaths, New Orleans Health Department; 25 Apr 1906, v 27, p 879; Microfilm FF652, New Orleans Public Library, New Orleans LA. Note: Found at Ancestry.com, New Orleans, Louisiana Marriage Records Index, 1831-1925: Jacob Brinkmann, 37, to Georgiana Schweitzer, 22, married 25 Apr 1906, v27, p879. Church marriage record; 1888-1907; First English Lutheran Church, New Orleans, LA; Book I, p 285, [no number]; First English Lutheran Church, Metairie, LA. [H-COM-0011] Note: The witnesses were E. Penot F. Genoles, Katie Schroeder, E. Brinkman, and Philip Forschler. The bride and groom have notations "N.O., La," presumably their birthplaces. If you want any of my additional records on Jacob Brinkmann, I would happy to send them to you. Norm --- On Fri, 12/10/10, Cate Schweitzer-Toepfer <[email protected]> wrote: . . . > BTW, Lena and George Schweitzer did have a daughter name > Louisa Georgiana > [b. 23 Oct 1883] who married Jacob Brinkman between 1900 - > 1910 and died at > age 29 [10 Feb 1913].  I don't recall seeing her on > your tree site. If you > want or need another leaf on your family tree, here it is. . . .

Hi Spruill, Yes that is how I got the microfilm of the Charity records at my FHC. It only costs something like $6 and you can keep them for a month. You can also renew them a couple of times. My FHC allows them to go on permanent loan after that. I've accumulated a small library of New Orleans reference materials that way. If I have a chance to go down there before you order your film, I will let you know. Colleen Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Spruill Harder <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 18:57:55 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Charity Hospital look up Thank you for the suggestions. There is an FHC near me. I hadn't realized that I could order mircrofilm through them. Spruill ________________________________ From: Norm Hellmers <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 4:56:06 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Charity Hospital look up Spruill, Some Charity Hospital admission and death records are available on microfilm at the Louisiana Division of the New Orleans Public Library. You can read about them here: http://nutrias.org/guides/genguide/hospitalinsanity.htm These are also available on microfilm through any Family History Center. See: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=388421&subject_disp=Louisiana%2C+Orleans%2C+New+Orleans+%2D+Medical+records&columns=*,0,0 or http://goo.gl/EXqCm If someone is going to the NOPL they might be able to look these up for you, otherwise you might try getting the microfilms through your nearest FHC. Norm --- On Fri, 12/10/10, Spruill Harder <[email protected]> wrote: > Colleen suggested I give the list a > try. Does anyone have access to Charity > Hospital admittance  records?I am    > interested in finding if the following were > admitted to Charity Hospital before their > deaths. > > Confirmed death dates: > John L. Harder, 1858-09-02 (source: Daily Picayune, > 1858-09-03, Pg. 2 col.    5) > born in Alabama > Daniel N. Harder, 1858-08-27 (source: Daily Picayune, > 1858-08-28, Pg. 2 col. 6) > born in Alabama > > Unconfirmed death    date: > Nicholas Harder, Sept. 24, 1857; born in NY > > Thanks, > Spruill >       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kathy, I have been reading your emails/responses with much interest. I have a Born connection through Mary Rice who married George W. Butler in New Orleans 29 Mar 1849 at Lafayette Presbyterian(or Fulton Street Church). Mary was born in Ohio. Jacob Rice(Germany) was surety at the marriage. Jacob Rice's wife's name was Catherine. Catherine "Reis," widow, born in Baden, aged 57, was living in the household of George Butler and Mary Rice in the 1860 census. George W. Butler died in 1867 and by the 1880 Census, Catherine Rice, aged 78, was living in the household of Jacob Born, from Germany. Relation to Head of Household: MotherL. George Butler's estate was inventoried by Herman Rice and Jacob Born by order of the court. Henry Rice was appointed under tutor. >From the records of the Insane Asylum this: Mrs. Mary Rice: refer to her son or brother-in-law or Rice Born Co, Chestnut betw Aline and Delachaise Camp Street. City Archives, New Orleans Public Library. Record of Next of Kin, 1875-1877 1v. FM (1852-1882). Mrs George Butler, nee Mary Rice, died in 1910 in New Orleans. Funeral from residence of daughter Mrs. W. Doell, no. 940 Aline St. and is buried in Lafayette Cemetery #1(Quadrant #2, Tomb 472) from First Presbyterian Church. I haven't been able to piece this tree together, but I hope this helps you. Janet -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Cochran Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 1:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] My Great Grandfather was a Mason Norm, This was some great stuff you sent. I have exhausted most of the sources / suggestions you made..............but the last one you mentioned, that of finding CIVIL records of the birth children in NOLA might be fruitful. You mentioned that "especially the earlier ones" might give the area of Germany from which the immigrant came. My Born children were born in NOLA from 1855-1879. Is this per chance the time period that you were talking about as "earlier"? Thanks again ......Kathy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Norm Hellmers Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] My Great Grandfather was a Mason Kathy, The soc.genealogy.german archives includes this FAQ: Subject: 10. How can I find out what village my ancestor came from? This is sometimes easy, sometimes quite difficult, and sometimes impossible. This is the general order of resources to be used in finding the German origin of German-American families: o Narratives from older relatives. o Previous family research, notes, etc., if available. o Family documents or mementos from the old country. o US census (1920 and earlier) - can learn immigration and/or naturalization year. o IGI, for uncommon names, if the birth or marriage date is known, or if two names in combination are known. o Passenger ship records, both arrival lists and embarkation lists, and indexes like _Germans to America_. o Naturalization records - usually held at the county level in the US. o Obituaries, especially in German-language newspapers. o American church records. o County histories/genealogies. o Local historical/genealogical societies. o Local fraternal and other ethnic or cultural organizations. o Tombstones or cemetery records. o German state emigration records and indexes, including citizenship release papers, passports, estate and debt settlement papers, property sales, departure taxes, expulsion papers, and records for transportation of minors. o US Social Security records, for individuals living after 1935. Note that the Social Security Death Index is only a start. o Probate records. o US Civil War pension or other military records, if appropriate. o Ahnenstammkartei (ASTAKA). o Individuals in Germany with the same name, but only if the name is very unusual or if you know approximately where your ancestor came from. o Neighbors in America, because sometimes unrelated families emigrated together. o Contemporary newspapers, which often printed passenger lists and emigrant correspondence. See also:http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/rg/guide/tracing_immigrant_origins.asp Do you have the civil birth records for all of Jacob’s children born in Orleans Parish? Some of mine, especially the earlier ones, give the area of Germany from which the immigrant came. That would be a start. Norm --- On Thu, 12/9/10, Kathy Cochran <[email protected]> wrote:.. . . > My great-grandfather Edward Augustus Born was born in> Orleans Parish, New> Orleans 7 Aug 1855. He lived his adult married life> in Corpus Christi,> Texas, but I am wondering if I could find out if his> father, my great-great> grandfather, Jacob Born, a partner in the Rice-Born> Hardware Store, Ltd.,> was also a Mason as well. And if so, maybe I could> eventually find out what> town in Germany he emigrated from. Does anyone have> any suggestions about> how to find this?.. . . -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for the suggestions. There is an FHC near me. I hadn't realized that I could order mircrofilm through them. Spruill ________________________________ From: Norm Hellmers <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 4:56:06 PM Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] Charity Hospital look up Spruill, Some Charity Hospital admission and death records are available on microfilm at the Louisiana Division of the New Orleans Public Library. You can read about them here: http://nutrias.org/guides/genguide/hospitalinsanity.htm These are also available on microfilm through any Family History Center. See: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=388421&subject_disp=Louisiana%2C+Orleans%2C+New+Orleans+%2D+Medical+records&columns=*,0,0 or http://goo.gl/EXqCm If someone is going to the NOPL they might be able to look these up for you, otherwise you might try getting the microfilms through your nearest FHC. Norm --- On Fri, 12/10/10, Spruill Harder <[email protected]> wrote: > Colleen suggested I give the list a > try. Does anyone have access to Charity > Hospital admittance  records?I am    > interested in finding if the following were > admitted to Charity Hospital before their > deaths. > > Confirmed death dates: > John L. Harder, 1858-09-02 (source: Daily Picayune, > 1858-09-03, Pg. 2 col.    5) > born in Alabama > Daniel N. Harder, 1858-08-27 (source: Daily Picayune, > 1858-08-28, Pg. 2 col. 6) > born in Alabama > > Unconfirmed death    date: > Nicholas Harder, Sept. 24, 1857; born in NY > > Thanks, > Spruill >       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Working on some stuff for Cheramie and she has a burial certificate that states the following: Transferred to Resurrection Mausoleum, Crypt 139, Tier D, Christ the Savior Patio Rgt. on April 17, 1976 Where is Resurrection Mausoleum located, which cemetery? This person was transferred from #3, is this just a different area of #3 and why would someone be transferred from a family vault.  Jan S - Orlando, FL

I'm glad you asked that last question. If anyone living would know that it would be David Bernard and he didn't. I'm curious who owns that mausoleum space??? At 04:29 PM 12/10/2010, you wrote: >Working on some stuff for Cheramie and she has a >burial certificate that states the following: > >Transferred to Resurrection Mausoleum, >Crypt 139, Tier D, Christ the Savior Patio Rgt. >on April 17, 1976 > >Where is Resurrection Mausoleum located, which cemetery? > >This person was transferred from #3, is this >just a different area of #3 and why would >someone be transferred from a family vault. > > > Jan S - Orlando, FL > ------------------------------- To > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message People say "High Maintenance!" like it's a bad thing.

Norm, One of the birth records in your group has given me a clue about a relative puzzle on my g/grandfather's sister. His name was John Heier (Heuer, Hyer, and various other ways). Her name was Christina Hyer (later spelled Heier). In some records I have found an Ernestine Christina Heier (spelled variously) who I now believe is your E.C. Haerer. I know if I keep digging, we'll eventually find that 6th degree of separation applies to us (too bad Lena Gettle can't count). BTW, Lena and George Schweitzer did have a daughter name Louisa Georgiana [b. 23 Oct 1883] who married Jacob Brinkman between 1900 - 1910 and died at age 29 [10 Feb 1913]. I don't recall seeing her on your tree site. If you want or need another leaf on your family tree, here it is. Kathy, The birth record for my g/grandfather [John Heuer] was originally done in parish/city of Orleans on 17 May 1858 by his mother Mrs. Elizabetha Heuer, born Reber, aged thirty-three years a native of Leiman, L.C. Pirmasenz, Bavaria, father listed at Fredrick Heuer a native of Otternhausen, P.A., Neuenburg, Wurtemberg. She signed the document with her hand mark X before H. Gayer and Ch. George on behalf of Pierre Lacoste, the recorder of births and deaths. All that being said because the birth is old, the state archives had a record and produced the certified true/sealed copy for me 9 Aug 2001 by Beth Davis, archives research. So if you can find him/them in the birth indexes, the archives should be able to make you a copy or you might try with vital statistics in New Orleans. Hope you get the info. you are looking for. Cate ;-} PS How does one get to the special alphabet font set in this new version of hotmal? -----Original Message----- From: Norm Hellmers Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 3:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] My Great Grandfather was a Mason Kathy, Yes. The birth records that helped me were from the 1850s. Copies of these birth records are here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wegener/wegener_records/cvb/ See for example wcvb0022, which was from 1850 and gives my great-great-grandfather’s birthplace as “the Kingdom of Wurtemberg” [Württemberg] and his wife’s birthplace as “Hessen Cassel” [Hessen-Kassel]. Having a starting place like Württemberg or Hessen-Kassel can be useful, but for me it hasn’t worked yet in their cases. I have found all of my ancestors in what is today Germany, except for these two. I have a feeling you’ll have better luck. Norm --- On Fri, 12/10/10, Kathy Cochran <[email protected]> wrote: . . . > but the > last one you mentioned, that of finding CIVIL records of the > birth children in NOLA might be fruitful. You > mentioned that "especially the earlier ones" might give the > area of Germany from which the immigrant came. My Born > children were born in NOLA from 1855-1879. Is this per > chance the time period that you were talking about as > "earlier"? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hey Guys, Let's show Spruill what NOVA is all about. I cannot get to my FHC anytime soon to do this lookup (although believe me I would LOVE to!). If anyone is going down to the library they have these records on microfilm. Anyone out there able to help???? Colleen In a message dated 12/10/2010 1:22:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Colleen suggested I give the list a try. Does anyone have access to Charity Hospital admittance records?I am interested in finding if the following were admitted to Charity Hospital before their deaths. Confirmed death dates: John L. Harder, 1858-09-02 (source: Daily Picayune, 1858-09-03, Pg. 2 col. 5) born in Alabama Daniel N. Harder, 1858-08-27 (source: Daily Picayune, 1858-08-28, Pg. 2 col. 6) born in Alabama Unconfirmed death date: Nicholas Harder, Sept. 24, 1857; born in NY Thanks, Spruill ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kathy, I have also found that if the birth was registered often more detailed locations of the birthplace of the parents are listed. My g/g/grandmother registered in 1857 her son, my g/grandfather 8 years after his birth in 1849 in NOLA and another son when she registered her newborn daughter. It gave all the German political subdivisions, down to the town, where both she and her husband came from. Check the birth index and if you can find him it would be worthwhile sending for the record(s). And Norm's the man for explaining [almost anything German] especially the political subdivision stuff, which can be quite tangled since it frequently changed prior to German unification. Good luck, Cate ;-} -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Cochran Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 1:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] My Great Grandfather was a Mason Norm, This was some great stuff you sent. I have exhausted most of the sources / suggestions you made..............but the last one you mentioned, that of finding CIVIL records of the birth children in NOLA might be fruitful. You mentioned that "especially the earlier ones" might give the area of Germany from which the immigrant came. My Born children were born in NOLA from 1855-1879. Is this per chance the time period that you were talking about as "earlier"? Thanks again ......Kathy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Norm Hellmers Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LAORLEAN] My Great Grandfather was a Mason Kathy, The soc.genealogy.german archives includes this FAQ: Subject: 10. How can I find out what village my ancestor came from? This is sometimes easy, sometimes quite difficult, and sometimes impossible. This is the general order of resources to be used in finding the German origin of German-American families: o Narratives from older relatives. o Previous family research, notes, etc., if available. o Family documents or mementos from the old country. o US census (1920 and earlier) - can learn immigration and/or naturalization year. o IGI, for uncommon names, if the birth or marriage date is known, or if two names in combination are known. o Passenger ship records, both arrival lists and embarkation lists, and indexes like _Germans to America_. o Naturalization records - usually held at the county level in the US. o Obituaries, especially in German-language newspapers. o American church records. o County histories/genealogies. o Local historical/genealogical societies. o Local fraternal and other ethnic or cultural organizations. o Tombstones or cemetery records. o German state emigration records and indexes, including citizenship release papers, passports, estate and debt settlement papers, property sales, departure taxes, expulsion papers, and records for transportation of minors. o US Social Security records, for individuals living after 1935. Note that the Social Security Death Index is only a start. o Probate records. o US Civil War pension or other military records, if appropriate. o Ahnenstammkartei (ASTAKA). o Individuals in Germany with the same name, but only if the name is very unusual or if you know approximately where your ancestor came from. o Neighbors in America, because sometimes unrelated families emigrated together. o Contemporary newspapers, which often printed passenger lists and emigrant correspondence. See also:http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/rg/guide/tracing_immigrant_origins.asp Do you have the civil birth records for all of Jacob’s children born in Orleans Parish? Some of mine, especially the earlier ones, give the area of Germany from which the immigrant came. That would be a start. Norm --- On Thu, 12/9/10, Kathy Cochran <[email protected]> wrote:.. . . > My great-grandfather Edward Augustus Born was born in> Orleans Parish, New> Orleans 7 Aug 1855. He lived his adult married life> in Corpus Christi,> Texas, but I am wondering if I could find out if his> father, my great-great> grandfather, Jacob Born, a partner in the Rice-Born> Hardware Store, Ltd.,> was also a Mason as well. And if so, maybe I could> eventually find out what> town in Germany he emigrated from. Does anyone have> any suggestions about> how to find this?.. . . -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kathy,   On the Louisiana Gen Web site, go to parish sites, then choose Orleans Parish.  Under births in alphabetical order I found these:   Children of Jacob Born & Maria Rice/Ryce (could be spelling errors):   Frank Beauregard Born, 10/24/1861, page 55, volume 431 Edward Augustus Born, 8/14/1855, page 17, volume 173; also listed page 55, volume 430   Child of Jacob Born & Mary Adeline Westerfield:   John Westerfield Born, 3/12/1899, page 115, volume 121   Children of Jacob Born & Mena/Mina Price/Rice:   Jacob Born, 7/18/1874, page 62, volume 659 Ella Rovina Born, 2/23/1866, page 55, volume 432 Laura Edna Born, 12/11/1863, page 55, volume 432 Minnie Lee Born, 4/1/1868, page 55, volume 433 Wallace Rice Born, 4/5/1879, page 73, volume 547 Henry Howard Born, 12/18/1857, page 55, volume 431     NOTE:  I would bet the volume and page number columns were reversed.    Barbara Volunteer Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness (www.raogk.org) and Find a Grave (www.findagrave.com)  

Spruill, Some Charity Hospital admission and death records are available on microfilm at the Louisiana Division of the New Orleans Public Library. You can read about them here: http://nutrias.org/guides/genguide/hospitalinsanity.htm These are also available on microfilm through any Family History Center. See: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=388421&subject_disp=Louisiana%2C+Orleans%2C+New+Orleans+%2D+Medical+records&columns=*,0,0 or http://goo.gl/EXqCm If someone is going to the NOPL they might be able to look these up for you, otherwise you might try getting the microfilms through your nearest FHC. Norm --- On Fri, 12/10/10, Spruill Harder <[email protected]> wrote: > Colleen suggested I give the list a > try. Does anyone have access to Charity > Hospital admittance  records?I am    > interested in finding if the following were > admitted to Charity Hospital before their > deaths. > > Confirmed death dates: > John L. Harder, 1858-09-02 (source: Daily Picayune, > 1858-09-03, Pg. 2 col.    5) > born in Alabama > Daniel N. Harder, 1858-08-27 (source: Daily Picayune, > 1858-08-28, Pg. 2 col. 6) > born in Alabama > > Unconfirmed death    date: > Nicholas Harder, Sept. 24, 1857; born in NY > > Thanks, > Spruill >