Blimey Dennis I used to love the Swing Boats, there were some also near to the Midland Hotel too. Do you remember Heysham Head, the Talent Show in the Rose Gardens and one thing which today seems horrible was the Bear pit. I can remember there were roses growing all over the place and the perfume from them was lovely. It became a holiday camp later and then Pontins. I guess nobody thought that it was cruel in those days for the poor bears. I used to go to Morecambe each year for 2 weeks holiday, with my Grandma and Grandad. Olive

We were fair swimmers Olive, but the damn place was solid with weed; had any of us gone in there it would've been curtains. We loved the sticklebacks and tadpoles though. Also remember being enchanted by my first Newt. Those stone jars I remember, Mum used to give us one for a hot water bottle when the weather was freezing - no central heating then! That Nettle Beer sounds OK, never tried it! Ian

Blimey Olive, In a previous reply I nearly commented about the Nettle Beer which I recall was purchased, rather furtively, from a cottage near the Funfair at Heysham Head. I went on the Swing / American Boat immediately after consuming said beer and was rather unwell. I never drank nettle beer again as I thought it was rather overrated. As young children, during the school holidays, we would stay away from home all day as most mothers were working mothers. At lunch time we were always sure to visit a school friend whose mother wasn't working, to blag some food. RecumbentDennis in Chester UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "olive" <olive.cookson@btinternet.com> To: <LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: [LANCSLIFE] More Ice Cream! > Pablo's, I can remember that this was in a back road somewhere near to > Albert Road.

Pablo's, I can remember that this was in a back road somewhere near to Albert Road. Don`t think it is there now. I used to play near the mill lodge in Radcliffe and collect tadpoles, Ian, crikey, when I think back neither I or any of the other kids that played with me could swim. Stone jars of Dandelion and Burdock etc. I think someone called round once a week and took the empty jars and left filled ones. Anybody remember going to Heysham Head and the glasses of Nettle Beer that were sold there. Olive

Forwarded on behalf of Dennis <recumbentd@btinternet.com> -------- Original Message -------- It seems that Sarsaparilla is available online as well at: http://www.sarsaparilla.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <bren.51-don_@tiscali.co.uk> To: <LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [LANCSLIFE] Cornets and Royton > Hi Ian > Have got news for you I worked on the bottom block or to give it 's proper > name the Mental health Unit I was a mature student nurse and when I passed > my RMN my sons delighted in telling everyone that their mum was mental and > had got a certificate to prove it. > You can still buy Sasparilla and Dandelion and Burdock the proper stuff not > the supermarkets versions at Mawsons herb shop at the bottom of George St > Oldham

You can get Sarsaparilla cordial on Blackburn market, by the glass or by the jar. Wonderful stuff. There's an old fashioned toffee shop in Skipton that sells all the old fashioned sweets including tiger nuts and the woody spanish. Bliss. We used the old stone jars as hot water bottles in winter (we were poor) with coats on the bed too. Pauline in Darwen

Coo, Bren, you posh person you. I just missed Chaddy Gram, a mate of mine, John Regan, went there though. I was a Bulge baby if you remember that (All the Dads demobbed at the end of the War caused a minor population explosion that followed our generation up thro' School) and Grammar School places were desperately short, so as a "Borderline" case I ended up at "Central", Shaw and Royton amalgamated while I was there. Must admit I hated it there, I was badly bullied and it is still with me now! Liked the School itself though, and still love Royton. We used to wear uniform, mostly just the cap and then only till someone nicked it and chucked it on the roof. Or the tie if someone didn't try to strangle you with it! I can only just remember Tandlehills, it must be a good fifty years back! My Mum took us there a few times, I remember really loving it; but living in Shaw as we did it was almost impossible to get to, I remember the monument though. And the sweetshop; Turf Lane is just next to Shaw Road End, Nan & Grandad used to buy us Dolly Mixtures and ice creams from there. I used to visit the Park too with Nan for the Leonard Cheshire fetes. My Mum and Dad were married in St Anne's Church just across the road. I've bobbed in and out of Boundary Park a time or two as well, only as a visitor thank Gawd! A mate of mine was once in the infamous "Bottom Block" for a time and we used to sneak off for a jar in the Mare and Foal over the road! (I've had some funny mates now and then!). I must keep an eye out for the Granelli's however, see if it still tasts the same. Tarra, Ian

Hi Ian Do you mean Temperance bars? There is one still open in Ramsbottom still got Sarsasparilla and Dandelion and Burdock !Amazing place. Pamela -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.16 - Release Date: 24/05/2005

Never unfortunately had Frederick's, another of life's delights I dipped out on. I remember going on holiday to Blackpool on the train and we always had a bet that the last to see the Tower through the window bought the ice creams. Funny, it was always my Dad! There are lots of the little ice cream parlours in Germany still, I used to love it when I was in the Army there, you can go out for a walk on a Sunday and on the way home everyone sits round a table, the kids have either "Ice Cream Spaghetti Bolognese" or "Poached Eggs" - believe it or not! Or something exotic involving Smarties. Mum and Dad have something fattening with an umbrella and a cherry on top (the icecreams in those places have to be seen to be believed!) and a coffee - or Dad can have a small beer if he likes. Excellent country, I considered emigrating at one time! That time I was the Dad! Ian

Hey up, Olive! I knew I had had a Pablo's ice cream at Blackpool! I can still taste that big stripey cornet. Yeah, you do take chances when you're small. I sometimes wonder how I made it this long. Used to climb the cliffs in the local Quarries, swim in the old Reservoir, walk on pipes across things, or loose stone walls - just to prove it could be done! Number of times I ended up in the local brook is incredible. Catching jacksharps in Mill lodges, climbing around in the ruins of an old mill, even had a "den" underground in the collapsing cellars of one old place. I must have had a charmed life! Yes, the Man and Scythe is still there too, and the plaque; the ice cream place isn't though, far as I know. All ruddy Kentuckies and MacDonalds now! Does anyone remember the sort of "Herbal Cafes" places, what the Americans call "Soda Fountains"? There was one in Oldham used to sell Sarsaparilla and Dandelion and Burdock by the pint, lovely when you'd been working on Saturday morning in Woolworth's. There was one called Everett's in Shaw too, I used to nip in there for a swift Vimto after visiting the Baths in the 50s. Amount of time I spent in Shaw baths it's a wonder I didn't get webbed feet! Cheers, Ian

Sorry, Dennis, we'll have it moved! Actually you're right, I think. Down near the river anyway. And I THINK it was Church street. There is still a sort of Mission Hut thing there, *pace* Ena Sharples. The Exchange building is still there, but there's nobody home I think, unless it is a few Engineers. Blimey, you go even further back than I do, the Granelli vans I remember were in the Fifties and Sixties. I think I have seen the odd Sivori's one too, but the others no. Except Pablo's, I'm sure I remember him - used to do a gorgeous stripey one that amazingly tasted different in different colours! Mostly ice cream just tasted sweet! Was there ever a Pablo's in Blackpool? Why do the tastes stick in your head? Puddin' and chips doesn't taste the same nowadays either! Don't quite remember WW2, just missed it, I was a Bulge baby in 1947. An Italian Ex-Pat runs a restaurant in Westhoughton, oddly enough; I seem to remember his family were originally interned and didn't go home. I even knew a German bloke on the buses in the 60s, who'd driven a tank in the Afrika Corps. Lovely fella. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Turner" <me@recumbentdennis.org.uk> To: <LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [LANCSLIFE] More Ice Cream! > Another "clever clogs" Lancastrian exiled in Cheshire writes: The River > Irwell in Bolton ? Perhaps it's the River Croal. > > RecumbentDennis in Chester UK > > PS We had a Granelli's in Bury and most of the senior members of the > Italian > ice-cream families, who didn't have British citizenship were internees in > Warth Camp Bury opposite my home at the start of WW2. > In addition to Granelli ice-cream family, there was Ianussi & Longenotti > in > other parts of Lancashire, not forgetting Pablo's in Southport.

Helen This is great, all this information re the past. Rossie was the ice cream shop in Southport that we used to visit. Olive

Hello Ian, Tuesday, May 24, 2005, 3:27:56 PM, you wrote: > Cor, Bren; is Highbarn School what used to be Royton Central? I went there > in the Sixties! As for Byron St, my Mum went there as a little girl! Once > sat in the Spitfire on the old golf links on Highbarn Road too, in the > Fifties. I went to the recent Memorial service at the Air Cadets' place, my > Uncle Harry Exley was one of the dead members they were remembering. My > Nanna & Grandad Exley lived on Turf Lane for years, then on Heyside at the > top of Blackshaw Lane, and my other Grandad, the Winterbottom one, was born > on Oldham Road in 1900! My son lives in Werneth somewhere, has just moved > in. Tandlehill Park is an old playground of both mine and my Mum's, back in > the Thirties. Used to be on Rochdale Buses in the 60s, spent hours zooming > up and down Oldham Road on the number 9 buses to Ashton. Talk about a small > world! Ian Hi..........I used to catch the number 9 bus to Oldham every friday night to go to the Astoria for the dancing. Ilived in Ashton for many year's, God's little acre. -- Best regards, daftjack mailto:daftjack@riseup.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.16 - Release Date: 5/24/2005

Hi Ian Yes Highbarn was the Royton Central school I didn't go there although some of my cousins and friends did I went to Chaddy Grammar School .Wore a school uniform , as do all my grandchildren at the schools they go to. Byron St wear Red tops and Grey trousers summer they wear white shirts. Grey Skirts for the girls and redcheck dress and red cardigans in Summer Highbarn have Royal Blue tops Like you I used to play in Tandlehills we used to wak up the Daisy steps(Near the Cricket field) through Thorp past Smiths farm and Porters farm and went in at the bottom gate, we played there all afternoon and when we thought it was time to go home we went upto the monument because you could see the Townhall clock from there to check the time .Do you remember the Sweet shop at Shaw Road End across from the park? We used to buy penny Lyons Ice creams from there they were small and round and with just a white paper band around them . The Granellis you can buy in shops is the one from Manchester and not the one from Oldham I was a nurse at Boundary Park Hospita(Royal Oldham) they were just starting to modernise as I left Like you say it's a small world Regards Bren >-- Original Message -- >From: "Ian Winterbottom" <i.winterbottom@ntlworld.com> >Subject: Re: [LANCSLIFE] Cornets and Royton >Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:27:56 +0100 >To: LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com > > >Cor, Bren; is Highbarn School what used to be Royton Central? I went there > >in the Sixties! As for Byron St, my Mum went there as a little girl! Once > >sat in the Spitfire on the old golf links on Highbarn Road too, in the >Fifties. I went to the recent Memorial service at the Air Cadets' place, >my >Uncle Harry Exley was one of the dead members they were remembering. My >Nanna & Grandad Exley lived on Turf Lane for years, then on Heyside at the > >top of Blackshaw Lane, and my other Grandad, the Winterbottom one, was born > >on Oldham Road in 1900! My son lives in Werneth somewhere, has just moved > >in. Tandlehill Park is an old playground of both mine and my Mum's, back >in >the Thirties. Used to be on Rochdale Buses in the 60s, spent hours zooming > >up and down Oldham Road on the number 9 buses to Ashton. Talk about a small > >world! Ian > > > >==== LANCSLIFE Mailing List ==== >Manchester Online: http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ >The Friends of Real Lancashire: http://www.forl.co.uk/001/intro.html >Lancashire History and Folklore: http://www.geocities.com/kera2000_uk/ > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > ___________________________________________________________ Book yourself something to look forward to in 2005. Cheap flights - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/flights/ Bargain holidays - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/holidays/

Thanks for the latest, Dennis. How about Brucianni on the Promenade at Morecambe, too. So whatever kind of ice cream you buy frozen, it never just quite tastes the same as when it is just out of the tub and into the cornet, wafer, etc. Olive

Warth Army Camp http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=379661&y=409260&z=1&sv=warth&st=6&tl=Warth+Road,+Bury,+Lancashire,+BL9&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srfwas on land which was part of Warth Mill, later to become McPherson's Paint Company. There was Zion Methodist Church and a branch of the Bury and District Co-operative Society. The Italian internees were only there at the commencement of hostilities and were housed in a barely completed camp prior to their internment in other places. They were replaced later with German POWs and for a time, later in the war a contingent from the US Army were the POW camp guards. About thirty five years ago, I believe the Bolton ice-cream parlour became a sandwich bar/ice-cream parlour apparently under the same management as before. While we are reminiscing I took my driving test in Silverwell Street Bolton and I also recall seeing George Formby at a Bolton theatre. RecumbentDennis in Chester UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "olive" <olive.cookson@btinternet.com> To: <LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:37 PM Subject: [LANCSLIFE] More Ice Cream! > To Ian and Dennis, > All this from one cornet! > The River Croal was a little way away. My friend and I used to jump over > this, during our dinner time from School. We also to walk across the pipes > that went over. Crikey, we could have broken our necks, thinking about it. > Where was Warth camp in Bury, I knew that there were Italians interned, but >

Miles Been there too. Olive

When I was young we always used to swear that Frederick's Ice Cream was the best there was. I think they had a small shop in Adlington, or somewhere round there. We would usually stop there after we had been for a walk at Anglezarke or Rivington. Sometimes my dad would drive us over there from Wigan just to get some ice cream on a Sunday. Of course the wafer sandwiches that we brought back for those who didn't come were a bit soft by the time we got home - but I'd always eaten my cornet in the car by then so I didn't care! Miles

To Ian and Dennis, All this from one cornet! The River Croal was a little way away. My friend and I used to jump over this, during our dinner time from School. We also to walk across the pipes that went over. Crikey, we could have broken our necks, thinking about it. Where was Warth camp in Bury, I knew that there were Italians interned, but did not know they were held at Bury, a lot of them were in the Isle of Man. Is Pablos at Southport anything to do with Pablos at Blackpool? Here we go again, used to go and get ice cream in a road that went off the Promenade at Southport. There are not many ice cream parlours that I have not visited. Prince Rupert story, yes, that is the one. I am fascinated by History of any kind. So where the sign was the ice cream place was almost across the road. Olive

Another "clever clogs" Lancastrian exiled in Cheshire writes: The River Irwell in Bolton ? Perhaps it's the River Croal. RecumbentDennis in Chester UK PS We had a Granelli's in Bury and most of the senior members of the Italian ice-cream families, who didn't have British citizenship were internees in Warth Camp Bury opposite my home at the start of WW2. In addition to Granelli ice-cream family, there was Ianussi & Longenotti in other parts of Lancashire, not forgetting Pablo's in Southport. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Winterbottom" <i.winterbottom@ntlworld.com> To: <LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [LANCSLIFE] More Ice Cream! > Yes. Olive, I know where you mean, the Old Man and Scythe Inn in > Churchgate. It's been a pub "sin' Adam were a lad", and there is a sign > saying that the Earl of Derby, then Lord Lieutenant of Lancaster, spent his > last night there before getting "topped" in the square for attacking Bolton > during the War. It was apparently Prince Rupert really, but they wouldn't > beleive him. Apparently the citizens were proper sorry for him and bewailed > his loss summat awful. No, I missed the Civil War too. Sorry to be a > smarty-clogs, but I'm fascinated by Military History! There was a bit of a > battle at Westhoughton too, it seems, some Cavaliers thumped us Howfeners up > Church Road. The theatre or cinema is fairly near there, it is or was Bolton > Market Square. Love Local History too! Cheers, Ian > > > ==== LANCSLIFE Mailing List ==== > Lancashire OnLine: http://www.lancashire-online.co.uk/ > Virtual Encyclopedia of Manchester: http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/index2.html > Dialect: http://www.nyt.co.uk/lancashire.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >