Hi Jess Sounds interesting! If you're a subscriber to the LancsGen list, would you mind posting your message there, too? If you're not a subscriber and you wouldn't object, I'd appreciate it if you'd allow me to forward your post to the list. :-) Thanks! Best wishes, Lynne List Admin. Richard Wild wrote: > Hi Listers > > Not long ago some ex-Roytonians were discussing the merits (?) of > Royton, near Oldham. This may be of some interest to them........... > > For the last three weeks members of the Royton Historical Society and > other volunteers, in conjunction with the Archaeological Dept. at > Manchester University, have been excavating what remains of Royton > Hall. The Hall was demolished in 1939 but they have uncovered the > foundations of the old walls, which date back to the 16th century, and > many other interesting features such as the stairwell of a 17th > century spiral staircase, and some original mullioned cellar windows > complete with glass!! This Saturday and Sunday (30th and 31st July) > are open days when you can have a tour of the site and look at the > 'finds' which have been dug up. Entry is free. This will be your > only chance to see these remains as the site will be filled in again > next week. > > If anyone is interested the site is situated on Hall Street. From the > traffic lights in the centre of Royton turn into Middleton Road and > Hall Street is the second turning on the left. > > See you there. > > Jess. > >

If your research leads you to Manchester, you may have visited Manchester On Line. If you haven't done so in a while, take another look. There's some very interesting information. For example: LOCAL PLACE NAMES EXPLAINED: http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ewm/links/place_names/index.html Flixton, Newton, Crumpsall, Pendlebury, Wigan, and many others. SACRED SITES: http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ewm/001ewm/04X_sacredsites1/index.html Great photos and descriptions of old churches. Manchester Picture Quiz: http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ewm/001ewm/044_quiz/index.html EXPLORING LEVENSHULME: http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ewm/001ewm/023_levenshulme/index.html There's a LOT more! See http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ewm/?newsletter=eyewitness20050715 and explore. Have fun! Best wishes, Lynne

Hi, There was also the Lancaster Canal - about 6 miles away from Longridge to the nearest bit of it. Regards, Maureen

Maureen, Thanks for your piece of information. Do you know if there are any records in existence of early 19th century canal building in Lancashire? Two of Mary's uncles worked on the Caledonian Canal at the same time and I have made quite a bit of progress in that direction, but it is Mary's father, William, I am really interested in. Thanks again, Nick -----Original Message----- From: Maureen [mailto:maureen@redroserepro.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 8:24 AM To: LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LANCSLIFE] 1811 birth in Langridge Hi, There was also the Lancaster Canal - about 6 miles away from Longridge to the nearest bit of it. Regards, Maureen ==== LANCSLIFE Mailing List ==== Contact the list admin with any problems, questions or concerns: lancslife-admin@rootsweb.com ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hello, I am trying to trace an ancestor, Mary Rhodes, who I believe was born in Longridge in 1811. Her parents were William Rhodes of Calverley, Yorks, and Isabella Smith, who were married in Goosenargh in 1803. William was a canal builder. Was there any work within easy riding distance of Longridge that could have provided him employment in 1811? The Ribble section of the Leeds-Liverpool Canal, maybe? Can anyone help me? Thanks, Nick Wilson

Forwarded with permission. To book, please call Lorraine Hardman, Events Co-ordinator, 020 7553 3290 or email events@sog.org.uk -------- Original Message ------- Places still available for the following dates: Please call 020 7553 3290 or email events@sog.org.uk to book. 1. Thursday 14 July 2005. Visit: Guildhall Library, London, with Kathy Elam. [sorry about short notice] 2. Saturday 16 July 2005. 10:30 The Census: Online and on CD-ROM. A tutorial with John Hanson. 3. Saturday 16 July 2005. 14:00 What you need to know about MH12 (poor law commissioners' correspondence) A tutorial with Marjorie Moore. 4. Monday 18 July 2005. Routes to Roots: The SoG's 2 week summer school introducing major sources and repositories for family historians. With various lecturers, tutorials, and visits. More information about these events: 1. Thursday 14 July 2005. Visit: Guildhall Library, London, with Kathy Elam. Corporation of London, Guildhall Library, Aldermanbury London EC2: Meet at the entrance at the venue in time to start at 2.30pm. Nearest tubes are St Paul's and Moorgate and Bank and Liverpool Street are not far. There are a number of buses that go along Cheapside. The Guildhall Library is next to the Guildhall and is well signposted. The Guildhall Library is the Record Office for the City of London (apart from the Corporation of London Records which are elsewhere) and they have documents going back to the 11th Century including: · Ecclesiastical and probate records · Archives of City wards and parishes · Records of around 80 of the City livery companies · City business and commercial records We will be given an introductory talk, taken on a tour of the printed books collection, shown the manuscript Section and shown some particular examples, taken to the Prints and Maps Section and shown how their image database works. The whole tour should take about 1½ hours. NB there is a maximum of 15 people on this tour but we can arrange for a further trip if demand is high Saturday 16 July 2005. 10:30 The Census: Online and on CD-ROM. A tutorial with John Hanson. Biography: John Hanson John Hanson has recently retired after over 30 years with one of the country's leading banks. He has had an interest in family history for over 20 years and in computers relating to family history for the last 15 years. He is a Committee member, and Chairman of the Family History Show Working Group. John regularly lectures and writes on computer-based family history. He has just been elected a Fellow of the Society of Genealogists. Census Online Outline: Think you've mastered the censuses online or on CD? This lecture reveals some of the techniques you may not have tried for finding your elusive ancestors. It looks at the 1861 to 1901 census inclusive, now available online for much if not all of England & Wales. Saturday 16 July 2005. 14:00 What you need to know about MH12 (poor law commissioners' correspondence) A tutorial with Marjorie Moore. Biography: Marjorie R Moore Fellow of the Society of Genealogists, Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Society of Genealogists for four years 1996-2000, was founding General Secretary of Wiltshire Family History Society, now Vice President. Visiting speaker to Conferences and Societies including Australia, Canada, Germany, New Zealand and the USA. Consultant to Reader's Digest for their book "Explore Your Family's Past". Compiler of Sources for Scottish Genealogy in the Library of the Society of Genealogists. MH12 Tutorial Outline: He poor relief system came to a crisis at the beginning of the 19th century and resulted in the Poor Law Amendment Act of 1834. The Act gave national direction in English Poor Law and transformed the system of local government that had lasted for centuries and at this time the large union Workhouses came into being. Offices of the Poor Law Commissioners were set up in London and it is their records and correspondence with local Poor Law Unions that will be discussed. The first session will illustrate what the records are, how to find them and examples of what they contain. The second session will show more examples and involve audience participation. Monday 18 July 2005, 10:30, Routes to Roots: The SoG's 2 week summer school introducing major sources and repositories for family historians. With various lecturers, tutorials and visits. The Society's Summer School offers a practical introduction to the major repositories in the "golden triangle" of family history. There will be lectures at the Society of Genealogists premises looking at the various sources. Later the group will re-assemble at an appropriate record office for a short tour. There will then be a chance to have an orientation from the lecturers or a member of staff from the record office and to use the indexes and finding aids. However in addition to any searches that students might wish to undertake for themselves there will be set exercises devised to find particular information. These are intended to exemplify specific aspects of the sources that may not have been found in an individual's own research. Generally each repository prefers a maximum of about 15 persons for any such group and this will be the maximum number of spaces available on the course. Society of Genealogists 14 Charterhouse Buildings Goswell Road LONDON EC1M 7BA 5 minutes walk from Barbican Station, a few minutes longer from Farringdon, various buses. To book, please call Lorraine Hardman, Events Co-ordinator, 020 7553 3290 or email events@sog.org.uk Courses, regional fairs and details of library holdings per county are listed at http://www.sog.org.uk You may also find it useful to occasionally visit GENEVA - http://geneva.weald.org.uk GENEVA is a joint GENUKI/FFHS list of GENealogical EVents and Activities which often has dates and venues stretching twelve months (or more) ahead - SoG events included!

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> "The terraces in Toxteth were built by Welsh workers in the 19th > Century. A campaign to save them has been backed by Ringo Starr. > "But 109 out of 477 houses will be demolished as part of redevelopment. > "Councillors meeting on Friday to vote on regenerations plans by the > government body, New Heartlands, were told the local authority had > received 120 letters of support and 30 in opposition. > "A number of the properties, built as early as 1881, did not have an > indoor toilet and were failing to meet housing standards." Those with ancestors like some of my BUSKEYs who lived in Toxteth may be interested in the news story at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4663069.stm Best wishes, Lynne

We too in Australia were horrified by the carnage in London. We offer all our hopes & prayers to all who were involved. Best wishes Gill(ian) Cope ----- Original Message ----- From: <lklein@mindspring.com> To: <LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 10:25 PM Subject: [LANCSLIFE] ADMIN - London Dear Listers, My heart goes out to those who are enduring the consequences of the horrible events in London. Please know that the thoughts and prayers of your fellow family historians are with those of you with loved ones in the area. This tragic experience touches all our lives, no matter where we are in this world. Best wishes, Lynne List Admin. ==== LANCSLIFE Mailing List ==== Think you missed something? Take a look at the Lancs Life archives. They can be browsed at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/LANCSLIFE/ or searched at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=LANCSLIFE ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Our son and daughter in law were living and working in London for two years before returning to South Africa last year. For all who have family in London the events of yesterday must have been terrifying. We send our prayers to you all. Marian Mannion Johannesburg _________________________________________________________________ Messenger just got even better - download 7.0 today! http://messenger.msn.co.za?DI=1054&XAPID=2532

god ,if one exists was watching over your son i am very happy for you, alas it was a sorry event but we must not bow to this kind of cowadice. my family are with all others involved and send our condolences to those who have lost loved ones. GRAHAM pamela <pamelas@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:Thank you all for you thoughts and prayers I have just heard from my son who is OK, He was at Kings Cross 30 minutes prior to the blast but fortunately missed it. We were frantic until he managed to call us with the news Thank you again Pamela -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 06/07/2005 ==== LANCSLIFE Mailing List ==== Lancashire OnLine: http://www.lancashire-online.co.uk/ Virtual Encyclopedia of Manchester: http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/index2.html Dialect: http://www.nyt.co.uk/lancashire.htm ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos

your thoughts and prayers are greatly welcome thank you Joyce Stevens <YankeeDD@twmi.rr.com> wrote:Amen and God bless all of you. Joyce Livonia, Michigan -----Original Message----- From: lklein@mindspring.com [mailto:lklein@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 10:26 AM To: LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LANCSLIFE] ADMIN - London Dear Listers, My heart goes out to those who are enduring the consequences of the horrible events in London. Please know that the thoughts and prayers of your fellow family historians are with those of you with loved ones in the area. This tragic experience touches all our lives, no matter where we are in this world. Best wishes, Lynne List Admin. ==== LANCSLIFE Mailing List ==== Think you missed something? Take a look at the Lancs Life archives. They can be browsed at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/LANCSLIFE/ or searched at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=LANCSLIFE ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ==== LANCSLIFE Mailing List ==== The Lancaster Canal Trust: http://www.thelanky.co.uk/ Welcome to Bolton!: http://www.bolton.org.uk/ Liverpool City Council: http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/graphics_version/root/Home/index.asp ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos

Prayers to all our cousins across the pond. Your in our prayers and thoughts. We too here, live under this black cloud of "when and where next". Joan Lyons Rhode Island, USA

My thoughts and prayers go out to all who have been affected by today's horrible events in London. Cindy New Hampshire USA

Thank you all for you thoughts and prayers I have just heard from my son who is OK, He was at Kings Cross 30 minutes prior to the blast but fortunately missed it. We were frantic until he managed to call us with the news Thank you again Pamela -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 06/07/2005

Amen and God bless all of you. Joyce Livonia, Michigan -----Original Message----- From: lklein@mindspring.com [mailto:lklein@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 10:26 AM To: LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LANCSLIFE] ADMIN - London Dear Listers, My heart goes out to those who are enduring the consequences of the horrible events in London. Please know that the thoughts and prayers of your fellow family historians are with those of you with loved ones in the area. This tragic experience touches all our lives, no matter where we are in this world. Best wishes, Lynne List Admin. ==== LANCSLIFE Mailing List ==== Think you missed something? Take a look at the Lancs Life archives. They can be browsed at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/LANCSLIFE/ or searched at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=LANCSLIFE ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Notice from SOG: >Due to the events in London this morning the Society has decided to close >until 10am Tuesday 12th July. > >All staff are safe and accounted for. > >Our website has also been updated. >

Dear Listers, My heart goes out to those who are enduring the consequences of the horrible events in London. Please know that the thoughts and prayers of your fellow family historians are with those of you with loved ones in the area. This tragic experience touches all our lives, no matter where we are in this world. Best wishes, Lynne List Admin.

Hi List Doe's anyone have information or pictures of Garstang Rd South Wesham, in particular a fish & chip shop that was across the road from the Royal Oak pub. Regards Frank -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.9/39 - Release Date: 04/07/2005

Yes David, the phrase "on tenterhooks" for a person anxious for a result does come from the old days of bleaching & dyeing. The fabric was hung to dry, like a tent, on metal hooks called "Tenterhooks", the idea being to let the air get to both sides at once. Many years ago fabric - in small handloom days- would have been slung over a handy bush or tree too. There were lots of handloom, cottage weavers in the Westhoughton area it seems, a bunch of them burned the first Mill built in Westhoughton and got hanged/transported for it. Didn't help as from then on nobody would chance building another so the Cotton boom passed WH by, leaving it dependent on the Pits for local industry. When they played out us wor' snookered! Though much of Lancashire is now in the same boat, even in the Sixties when I worked in the mill the Industry was on its way down the Swanee. When I was young you couldn't look out of a window in our house (in Shaw, near Oldham) without seeing a mill chimney, in fact three or four! All the mills near us however are now housing estates! Only one I know of is still open and working, in Steam too, the Ellenroad of Milnrow, and it is in fact (Though it belongs to Coates Lorilleux) a curiosity kept steaming by hobby enthusiasts. Yes, it is amazing how skills disappear; at one time for instance a Mill Engineer, who would probably be in charge of the "Engine Tenters", was a "reet proper nob", hoo 'ad letters after't name". Wore immaculate blue overalls and a fob watch, when I worked in one. Spinners, Carders, Winders etc. were actually machine minders, more of a technical trade than you might think as the yarn was extremely fragile and snapped at a harsh look. As I think I said my Mother could manage 40 "ends" in her heyday! Some were named after the particular machine or "frame" they used, Mum was a Ring Spinner, my maternal Great-Grandma was a "Throstle Spinner", the device was named a "throstle", the old dialect word for a thrush, from its squeaking as it ran. There were also Beamers, which wound onto what was in effect a massive cottonreel, thick as a telegraph pole, six or seven feet long and with cast iron ends. "Packers", of which I was one, were another trade, getting the tubes or bobbins of yarn into cases or "skips" for transport. You might find "bobbin lad" somewhere too, that was the lad who kept the frames on three floors supplied with new empty bobbins, cones or tubes, and took away the full ones. My mate Jackie Eccleston used to go through some shoe leather on that job! I think "engine tenter" as in "looker-after" or "minder", might have been a distortion of "engine Tender", a Lancashire accent is hard to manage phonetically?! As you may have gathered from my attempts! Yon educated fowk in owden days often didn't understand proper, and thi put down what thi thowt thi 'eard. "Overlooker" was another term for what we'd call a Supervisor nowadays. That was another high status "trade"! I actually know how Lanky sounds as my Nannas and Grandads, and the older people I used to work with in the Mill, all talked like that; but the old dialect, like the skills, is rapidly vanishing. It varies, by the way; Bolton, where I now live, has a completely different sound to Oldham where I grew up! Your name, Greenhalgh, as you doubtless know, is a wellknown one in this area, there are loads, I think it might have originated in the Rossendale-Ramsbottom area. My Winterbottoms come, I think, from Royton, while my Mum's Exleys are originally from Yorkshire, Holmfirth of Last of the Summer Wine fame! Moved to Lancs when the cotton boom started. The Nightsoil would have been the same thing, I guess, as the dogmuck; but hadn't heard of anyone collecting them! Though I have heard weary stories of horsemuck from my Grandad, when he was a kid in the early 1900s they abounded and one of his "duties" was running behind the horse tram with a shovel to get the byproduct for his Dad's roses! He also apparently had a pleasant little trick; in the days of the thumb latch, pre-the Yale lock, of putting a drawingpin on the latch with a blob of horsemuck. The hapless inhabitant would let himself in, get stabbed in the thumb and go "Ouch!", then suck his thumb...pleasant soul, me Grandad was! His other little gem was to tie the doorknobs together on opposite sides of the street with the clothesline, then knock on both doors and watch the fun as both sides tried to get their doors open at once, each of course yanking the other one shut as he did so. How he survived to father my Dad I will never know! Tarra, Ian . Not sure but I think "tenting" and similar terms had to do with outdoor > bleaching crofts and the phrase of someone being "on tenterhooks" derives > somehow from that. But "tenter" seems to have been used for a "looker-after", "carer", "minder" in almost any part of the cotton trade - certainly there seem to be quite a lot of "engine tenters" in the census records. Most of my aunts/uncles (well really my mother's aunts/uncles, and she had lots) were in the industry in Ramsbottom and Rossendale as spinners, weavers etc but now it seems so hard to get first-hand information about it. Amazing what knowledge can be lost in just a couple of generations!! > > And I seem to remember reading something about people going out collecting > dog turds but couldn't begin to speculate on how that differs from > "nightsoil".