Thanks for that Dave, would have missed it without the reminder. Plus the fact that there is nothing else of interest. Olive

Hi Listers. For anyone interested in Lancs History associated with the Lancashire coast, dont miss the BBC2 program tonight at 9pm.which recounts the story of the 'Mexico' Lifeboat Disaster 1886. Many local families from Southport, Lytham and St.Annes were involved in the disaster. Hope I won't get told off for advertising! Dave Holmes. Lancs FHS.

I have a 1851 English census entry showing the wife was born in 'Lancaster, Nth' I initially thought this referred to the northern part of the city of Lancaster and only later realized Lancaster was also the old name for the county. Can someone tell me where the approximate east-west boundary would have been dividing north from south? I cannot find any boundaries on old county maps. Thanks, Nick Wilson

Yep Lynne Posted it LOL I remember the Gutenburg project site when it started a few years back then I forgot all about it and I'm amazed at all the stuff they have added since. Other books also cover Lancashire History - books about the history of England and there are also a lot of social history books but the ones I mentioned were the ones that came up in the actual search for 'Lancashire'. An interesting one for those with ancestors who emigrated to Australia is 'Statistical, Historical and Political Description of the Colony of New South Wales and its Dependent Settlements in Van Diemen's Land With a Particular Enumeration of the Advantages Which These Colonies Offer for Emigration' by Wentworth It also struck me how useful this project would be for students. My kids have both passed that stage but I remember how difficult it sometimes was for them to obtain the books they needed for coursework and how expensive they were and there are so many subjects covered in this project. But as I said VERY addictive (as if we need any more addictions <vbg>) Caryl <<Thanks, Caryl! I'm sure LancsGen listers would also be interested in reading about this. (Hint, hint! <g>) Best wishes, Lynne>>>

My ancestors names, too common; Gartside/Garside, Newton, Wrigley or too strange; Friend, Ishmael Suzanne

----- Original Message ----- From: <Cpwill5@aol.com> To: <LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 12:26 PM Subject: [LANCSLIFE] Old Lancashire books free to download > Came across some interesting old Lancashire ebooks free to download (or read > online) from the Gutenburg project - don't know if this has been posted > before, apologies if it has. > > Waugh, Edwin (1817-1890) Home-Life of the Lancashire Factory Folk during the > Cotton Famine > > > The Lancashire Witches > A Romance of Pendle Forest. Ainsworth, William Harrison (1805-1882) > > Traditions of Lancashire, Volume 1 (of 2) Roby, John > > > _http://www.gutenberg.org/_ (http://www.gutenberg.org/) > > Be warned this site is very addictive!! spent more than a few hours there > browsing and reading - great project! > > Caryl > Old Liverpool > _www.old-liverpool.co.uk_ (http://www.old-liverpool.co.uk) > > > > ==== LANCSLIFE Mailing List ==== > To change from List to Digest mode (or vice versa) or from one e-mail address to another, unsubscribe then resubscribe. See http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/LANCSLIFE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > fantastic! Thanks for sharing

Hello, I am interested in the Rhodes family from the West Riding, who were involved in canal building and other civil engineering work in many different parts of in the U.K. including, I believe, Lancashire. I already have considerable information on Thomas Rhodes (1789-1868), an acolyte of Thomas Telford, and an occasional resident of Liverpool, but at this time I am searching for a lead on his brother William, born at Calverly in 1779. Please get in touch if you have any expertise in these areas, i.e canals or the Rhodes family. Thanks, Nick Wilson

Great minds! I saw your message to LancsGen arrive as my message, below, was being sent! <LOL> Best wishes, Lynne lklein@mindspring.com wrote: > Thanks, Caryl! I'm sure LancsGen listers would also be interested in > reading about this. (Hint, hint! <g>) > > Best wishes, > Lynne > > Can't Cpwill5@aol.com wrote: > >> Came across some interesting old Lancashire ebooks free to download >> (or read online) from the Gutenburg project - don't know if this has >> been posted before, apologies if it has. >> > <snip> >

Thanks, Caryl! I'm sure LancsGen listers would also be interested in reading about this. (Hint, hint! <g>) Best wishes, Lynne Can't Cpwill5@aol.com wrote: >Came across some interesting old Lancashire ebooks free to download (or read >online) from the Gutenburg project - don't know if this has been posted >before, apologies if it has. > <snip>

Came across some interesting old Lancashire ebooks free to download (or read online) from the Gutenburg project - don't know if this has been posted before, apologies if it has. Waugh, Edwin (1817-1890) Home-Life of the Lancashire Factory Folk during the Cotton Famine The Lancashire Witches A Romance of Pendle Forest. Ainsworth, William Harrison (1805-1882) Traditions of Lancashire, Volume 1 (of 2) Roby, John _http://www.gutenberg.org/_ (http://www.gutenberg.org/) Be warned this site is very addictive!! spent more than a few hours there browsing and reading - great project! Caryl Old Liverpool _www.old-liverpool.co.uk_ (http://www.old-liverpool.co.uk)

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Just to fill in more details about Royton Hall as requested by Joan, from 'across the pond' in Rhode Island, USA. Royton is a small town, lying in the shadow of the Pennine hills, between Oldham and Rochdale. The first record of its existence is in the 1212 Survey of Lancashire and records show that in 1641 the village of Royton consisted of forty-seven families. At this time the Hall and its deer park would have dominated the village. We are not sure exactly when Royton Hall was built but the 'dig' has put the oldest part as being built in the 16th century. As with a lot of old houses, it had been "added to" over the years. We think it started off as a basic oblong building but ended up as four sided with a central courtyard. Canon Andrew, who once stayed at the Hall, wrote "the style of the house is in marked manner baronial - great hall, chapel, solar, kitchens, and guest and retainer's rooms around a quadrangle." The Hall became available for lease in 1795, when the owners moved to another property, and was then advertised as "a firm, well-built stone edifice of ancient date, remarkable for an uncommonly strong and heavy round staircase, like that of a church, but more massy (?)" It had a number of tenants after that date and was eventually sold in 1922 to a Dr. J.T. Godfrey, who was from South Africa. When he decided to return to South Africa he tried to sell the Hall to both Manchester and Oldham Councils, and the National Trust but failed, so he converted it into apartments. However these were not popular and by 1937 it was unoccupied and falling into disrepair. It was finally demolished in 1939. Joan asked "Why are they digging such a find up to only cover it all up again before they uncover all that they possibly can? Would love to know." The answer is basically shortage of both time and money. It is the Royton Local History Society who have instigated the 'dig' - a small group of local people interested in the history of their home town. They received donations from local businesses and a National Heritage grant to help with the expenses of the project but obviously that is not a 'bottomless pit' and will not last beyond the scheduled three weeks. At the start of the dig they had no idea how much or how little remained of the Hall underground, but the finds have surprised us all and this is why they are determined to do some more next year. Of course this will mean more begging for donations, applying for grants etc. etc. But for now, photographs will be taken, measurements recorded and drawings made of the present excavations before it is all filled in again. I, like many others, would love it to be left uncovered, but without proper protection and security it would be vandalised in no time at all. The best way to protect and preserve it, for the time being, is to cover it all up again. We know where it is and what is there and perhaps one day in the future it will become a permanent display for everyone to enjoy. I hopes this answers your questions, Joan and thanks for taking an interest. Regards Jess

Jess a wonderful story! Thank you so much for sharing it with me, and others "across the pond". You gave me such a complete picture of it. I truly hope someone is filming all that is going on with the "dig". Again, many thanks for sharing this truly remarkable story with all of us. Regards, Joan in Rhode Island, USA On Jul 27, 2005, at 3:00 PM, Richard Wild wrote: > Just to fill in more details about Royton Hall as requested by Joan, > from 'across the pond' in Rhode Island, USA. > > Royton is a small town, lying in the shadow of the Pennine hills, > between Oldham and Rochdale. The first record of its existence is in > the 1212 Survey of Lancashire and records show that in 1641 the > village of Royton consisted of forty-seven families. At this time the > Hall and its deer park would have dominated the village. > > We are not sure exactly when Royton Hall was built but the 'dig' has > put the oldest part as being built in the 16th century. As with a lot > of old houses, it had been "added to" over the years. We think it > started off as a basic oblong building but ended up as four sided with > a central courtyard. Canon Andrew, who once stayed at the Hall, wrote > "the style of the house is in marked manner baronial - great hall, > chapel, solar, kitchens, and guest and retainer's rooms around a > quadrangle." > > The Hall became available for lease in 1795, when the owners moved to > another property, and was then advertised as "a firm, well-built stone > edifice of ancient date, remarkable for an uncommonly strong and heavy > round staircase, like that of a church, but more massy (?)" It had a > number of tenants after that date and was eventually sold in 1922 to > a Dr. J.T. Godfrey, who was from South Africa. When he decided to > return to South Africa he tried to sell the Hall to both Manchester > and Oldham Councils, and the National Trust but failed, so he > converted it into apartments. However these were not popular and by > 1937 it was unoccupied and falling into disrepair. It was finally > demolished in 1939. > > Joan asked "Why are they digging such a find up to only cover it all > up again before they uncover all that they possibly can? Would love > to know." > The answer is basically shortage of both time and money. It is the > Royton Local History Society who have instigated the 'dig' - a small > group of local people interested in the history of their home town. > They received donations from local businesses and a National Heritage > grant to help with the expenses of the project but obviously that is > not a 'bottomless pit' and will not last beyond the scheduled three > weeks. > > At the start of the dig they had no idea how much or how little > remained of the Hall underground, but the finds have surprised us all > and this is why they are determined to do some more next year. Of > course this will mean more begging for donations, applying for grants > etc. etc. But for now, photographs will be taken, measurements > recorded and drawings made of the present excavations before it is all > filled in again. > > I, like many others, would love it to be left uncovered, but without > proper protection and security it would be vandalised in no time at > all. The best way to protect and preserve it, for the time being, is > to cover it all up again. We know where it is and what is there and > perhaps one day in the future it will become a permanent display for > everyone to enjoy. > > I hopes this answers your questions, Joan and thanks for taking an > interest. > > Regards > Jess > > > ==== LANCSLIFE Mailing List ==== > Manchester Online: http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ > The Friends of Real Lancashire: http://www.forl.co.uk/001/intro.html > Lancashire History and Folklore: http://www.geocities.com/kera2000_uk/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi Jess Not a subscriber to LancsGen? Shocking! <vbg> It's a very busy list, but friendly and interesting. If you'd like to have a go, subscription links are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/LANCSGEN.html. Thanks for permission to forward your message. I'm sure that many will be interested. :-) I wish I could join you! Best wishes, Lynne Richard Wild wrote: > Hi Lynne > > I'm not a subscriber to the LancsGen list, but please feel free to > forward my message to that list and to anybody else who may be > interested. I forgot to mention that the open days run from 10.00 > a.m. to approx. 3.00 p.m. each day. > > I have been involved with the project over the last two weeks (not > digging - my back won't allow it I'm afraid) but it has been > fascinating watching it being slowly unearthed. As Bren says it is a > shame that it has to be covered up again but, in this day and age, > that is probably the only way that we can preserve it. > > I must point out that the whole of the Hall has not been excavated - > only the oldest part, as it covers quite a large area. We hope to do > another 'dig' this time next year to uncover other parts of it and > also its terraced gardens. > > If any of you do come to the open days please make yourself known to > me. I will be one of those doing the tours and will have my name > 'emblazoned' across my chest!! > > See you there > Jess

Dear Listers, The Lancashire Parish Register Society has updated their publications list. Although I'm unable to follow Phil Stringer's suggestion to LPRS members that I print out some copies of the list and send them to you <vbg>, why not take a look at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/lprs/lprspub.html to see what's available? If you scroll down to the bottom of that page, you can access the LPRS' publication leaflet in PDF format. If you're not already a member of the Society, I hope that you'll consider joining. :-) Best wishes, Lynne List Admin.

Dear Listers, You may be interested in taking a look at http://www.geograph.co.uk: "The Geograph British Isles project aims to collect a geographically representative photograph for every square kilometre of the British Isles and you can be part of it" There are 30,173 images contributed by 585 users. A search by county was not successful for me (user error?), but a search by town/area brought up some very nice photos. Enjoy! Best wishes, Lynne List Admin.

Hi Lynne I'm not a subscriber to the LancsGen list, but please feel free to forward my message to that list and to anybody else who may be interested. I forgot to mention that the open days run from 10.00 a.m. to approx. 3.00 p.m. each day. I have been involved with the project over the last two weeks (not digging - my back won't allow it I'm afraid) but it has been fascinating watching it being slowly unearthed. As Bren says it is a shame that it has to be covered up again but, in this day and age, that is probably the only way that we can preserve it. I must point out that the whole of the Hall has not been excavated - only the oldest part, as it covers quite a large area. We hope to do another 'dig' this time next year to uncover other parts of it and also its terraced gardens. If any of you do come to the open days please make yourself known to me. I will be one of those doing the tours and will have my name 'emblazoned' across my chest!! See you there Jess On 26 Jul 2005, at 18:02, lklein@mindspring.com wrote: > Hi Jess > > Sounds interesting! If you're a subscriber to the LancsGen list, > would you mind posting your message there, too? If you're not a > subscriber and you wouldn't object, I'd appreciate it if you'd allow > me to forward your post to the list. :-) > > Thanks! > > Best wishes, > Lynne > List Admin. > > > Richard Wild wrote: > >> Hi Listers >> >> Not long ago some ex-Roytonians were discussing the merits (?) of >> Royton, near Oldham. This may be of some interest to them........... >> >> For the last three weeks members of the Royton Historical Society >> and other volunteers, in conjunction with the Archaeological Dept. at >> Manchester University, have been excavating what remains of Royton >> Hall. The Hall was demolished in 1939 but they have uncovered the >> foundations of the old walls, which date back to the 16th century, >> and many other interesting features such as the stairwell of a 17th >> century spiral staircase, and some original mullioned cellar windows >> complete with glass!! This Saturday and Sunday (30th and 31st July) >> are open days when you can have a tour of the site and look at the >> 'finds' which have been dug up. Entry is free. This will be your >> only chance to see these remains as the site will be filled in again >> next week. >> >> If anyone is interested the site is situated on Hall Street. From >> the traffic lights in the centre of Royton turn into Middleton Road >> and Hall Street is the second turning on the left. >> >> See you there. >> >> Jess. >> >> > > > > ==== LANCSLIFE Mailing List ==== > Lancashire OnLine: http://www.lancashire-online.co.uk/ > Virtual Encyclopedia of Manchester: > http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/index2.html > Dialect: http://www.nyt.co.uk/lancashire.htm > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Hi everyone As an old Roytonian I used to play on the site in the 1940's It seem such a shame that after finding so many things the site has to be filled in again.when there is a chance that more thiings could have been found Bren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wild" <wild.family@talk21.com> To: <LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 5:43 PM Subject: [LANCSLIFE] Royton Hall > Hi Listers > > Not long ago some ex-Roytonians were discussing the merits (?) of > Royton, near Oldham. This may be of some interest to them........... > > For the last three weeks members of the Royton Historical Society and > other volunteers, in conjunction with the Archaeological Dept. at > Manchester University, have been excavating what remains of Royton > Hall. The Hall was demolished in 1939 but they have uncovered the > foundations of the old walls, which date back to the 16th century, and > many other interesting features such as the stairwell of a 17th century > spiral staircase, and some original mullioned cellar windows complete > with glass!! This Saturday and Sunday (30th and 31st July) are open > days when you can have a tour of the site and look at the 'finds' which > have been dug up. Entry is free. This will be your only chance to > see these remains as the site will be filled in again next week. > > If anyone is interested the site is situated on Hall Street. From the > traffic lights in the centre of Royton turn into Middleton Road and > Hall Street is the second turning on the left. > > See you there. > > Jess. > > > ==== LANCSLIFE Mailing List ==== > Contact the list admin with any problems, questions or concerns: lancslife-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Thank you very much, see you there! Anne Do join us, most of us subscribe to both! ----- Original Message ----- From: <lklein@mindspring.com> To: <LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [LANCSLIFE] Royton Hall > Hi Jess > > Sounds interesting! If you're a subscriber to the LancsGen list, would > you mind posting your message there, too? If you're not a subscriber and > you wouldn't object, I'd appreciate it if you'd allow me to forward your > post to the list. :-) > > Thanks! > > Best wishes, > Lynne > List Admin. > > > Richard Wild wrote: > >> Hi Listers >> >> Not long ago some ex-Roytonians were discussing the merits (?) of Royton, >> near Oldham. This may be of some interest to them........... >> >> For the last three weeks members of the Royton Historical Society and >> other volunteers, in conjunction with the Archaeological Dept. at >> Manchester University, have been excavating what remains of Royton Hall. >> The Hall was demolished in 1939 but they have uncovered the foundations >> of the old walls, which date back to the 16th century, and many other >> interesting features such as the stairwell of a 17th century spiral >> staircase, and some original mullioned cellar windows complete with >> glass!! This Saturday and Sunday (30th and 31st July) are open days when >> you can have a tour of the site and look at the 'finds' which have been >> dug up. Entry is free. This will be your only chance to see these >> remains as the site will be filled in again next week. >> >> If anyone is interested the site is situated on Hall Street. From the >> traffic lights in the centre of Royton turn into Middleton Road and Hall >> Street is the second turning on the left. >> >> See you there. >> >> Jess. >> >> > > > > ==== LANCSLIFE Mailing List ==== > Lancashire OnLine: http://www.lancashire-online.co.uk/ > Virtual Encyclopedia of Manchester: > http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/index2.html > Dialect: http://www.nyt.co.uk/lancashire.htm > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Hi Listers Not long ago some ex-Roytonians were discussing the merits (?) of Royton, near Oldham. This may be of some interest to them........... For the last three weeks members of the Royton Historical Society and other volunteers, in conjunction with the Archaeological Dept. at Manchester University, have been excavating what remains of Royton Hall. The Hall was demolished in 1939 but they have uncovered the foundations of the old walls, which date back to the 16th century, and many other interesting features such as the stairwell of a 17th century spiral staircase, and some original mullioned cellar windows complete with glass!! This Saturday and Sunday (30th and 31st July) are open days when you can have a tour of the site and look at the 'finds' which have been dug up. Entry is free. This will be your only chance to see these remains as the site will be filled in again next week. If anyone is interested the site is situated on Hall Street. From the traffic lights in the centre of Royton turn into Middleton Road and Hall Street is the second turning on the left. See you there. Jess.