----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Turner" <recumbentd@btinternet.com> To: <LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [LANCSLIFE] Clogs Linda > I wore clogs when working in paper making in the 1950s, as did most of my > colleagues. The ironed wooden soles were more satisfactory when working with > lots of water sometimes underfoot. Unfortunately they provided scant > protection to the feet and probably exacerbated injuries caused by dropping > something on the toes. Towards the end of the decade, safety footwear was > being introduced and that saw a decline in clog wearing. Harry Clogger in > Heap Bridge Bury just down the road from the mill did a steady business in > custom making new clogs and repairing,by re-ironing old ones. > The Harry had a radio, which had to have an individual licence in those days > and though it may be difficult to believe, but if news of the Budget > statement was needed, an apprentice was sent on an spurious errand to the > Clogger find out if the Chancellor was going to beer and fags. > > RecumbentDennis in Chester UK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Holland" <lmholland@kooee.com.au> > To: <LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 9:08 AM > Subject: Re: [LANCSLIFE] Clogs Linda > >

Can someone explain the difference between Yorkshire Clogs and Lancashire Clogs, untill recently I did not know there was a difference. A google search produced sites saying on one "Lancahsire clogs had square toes" and another displayed a picture of a Lancashire clog with definately round but slightly pointed toes! Suzanne

Hi Helen Thank you very much for the information. I hadn't realised that clogs were so varied in styles and uses until I found the Walkley clog shop website. And didn't realise that they were still made for everyday use. I would love to see clog dancers - sounds like the working men's hobnailed boot dancing over here in Oz (much later than clog dancing though!) Thank you - I would love to get other pictures of clogs so that I get a good idea of the possible different types worn at that time. Dad told me about clog fighting too - sounds like he'd seen it himself when he was young. I wouldn't like to! Cheers Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ottypotty@aol.com> To: <LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 4:14 AM Subject: Re: [LANCSLIFE] Clogs Linda > Hi Linda > > Coincidentally I am helping with a childrens holiday scheme in Burscough > Lancashire and last week we had a lady in teaching the children clog > dancing!! > > She has many many different styles of clogs including the ones you > mentioned > , that looked like boots. We are hoping to have her back soon (before > September) as the children loved it and with any luck I will try to get a > photo of > the clogs for you. She mentioned she managed to purchase some cheaply on > ebay so it could be worthwhile you checking the site over time > > Many of the clogs had irons on the bottoms like horse shoes which gave off > sparks on the cobbles. Some were extensively embroidered and others had > many > eyelets as decorative features. There was even a pair about 2 inches > long > which were probably given as a baptism present. > Alongside clog dancing there was also quite prolific clog fighting going > on > the localities. Some clogs had extra irons added on the inside toes. > The > object was to kick the opponent as hard as you could until they either > gave up > or their legs etc were broken or at worst fatalities !!! This was for > prize > money and gambling. Needless to say objections were made against this by > employers and it was banned sometime in the 1800's due to so many > labourers > becoming so badly injured they couldnt work and cost the parish to keep > them and > their families. It did continue though, like many other prohibited > sports > eg dog fighting but went underground , often on canal barges and in the > basement of public houses. > > Clog dancing was a lot more tamer!! Predominantly competitive by males > on > tables!! Was this the origins of table dancing. This was to ensure > people > could judge the steps easier and resulted in faster fancier footwork. > Again > gambling took place . > > Hope to get the photo for you soon > > Best wishes > Helen in Lancashire > > ______________________________

Hi Ian It was a few years ago I must admit! Dad was born in 1921 - now aged 84. So he'd have been wearing clogs up until about 1935 I suppose. He says they were very comfortable, and better than ordinary shoes or boots, as well as being stronger and cheaper. From what I can tell leather uppers had been the norm for a long time. Cheers Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Winterbottom" <i.winterbottom@ntlworld.com> To: <LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [LANCSLIFE] Clogs > Crikey Linda, how far back are you going? I remember 60s Lancashire, and > the Mills, but only ever knew one guy who wore clogs. The original ones > were all wood weren't they? Sabots as in Sabotage? I do remember seeing > the ones with leather uppers though. I know they must've hurt when applied > vigorously, as in "Hoo 'as a face 'us 'ud stond cloggin." I think they > disappeared around the Fifties? > Ian Winterbottom > ______________________________

Hi Rodney Thank you - I did come across the Walkley site afterwards, and have downloaded a couple of photos from there. I suppose the farmers clogs and the safety clogs shown there come closest to the old style my Dad would have worn?? Cheers Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodney Hall" <rmh@rmhh.co.uk> To: <LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: RE: [LANCSLIFE] Clogs > Linda Holland <mailto:lmholland@kooee.com.au> wrote on Saturday, August > 06, > 2005 12:50 AM: > > > | Hi all > | > | I am after photos of the old kind of clogs that my father > | used to wear as a boy. He never wore a pair of ordinary shoes > | until he was 14 and working. He has told me about them but I > | would love to have a photo. > | > | They were the ones with the usual wooden sole and clog irons, > | and with thick leather uppers that looked like ordinary boots on top. > | > | I have googled and found several sites that deal with clogs, > | and clog dancing, but none of them have photos of the old > | clogs - just the fancy ones or dancing ones. > | > | In my searches I have come up with a couple of good poems > | about clogs, which has been great. > | > | Can anyone help? > | > | Linda Visman > | Wangi Wangi > | NSW Oz. > | > > Take your pick from The Walkley Clog Factory in Hebden Bridge, down the > road > from me:- > http://www.chromavision.co.uk/walkleyclogs/cat_2.htm > > -- > Rodney HALL > Heywood, Lancashire > > Suaviter sed fortiter > Agreeably but powerfully > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > rmh@rmhh.co.uk > http://rmhh.co.uk/ > http://rmhh.org.uk/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ______________________________

Hi Kay Thank you. I'm afraid the link you sent me will not connect. I couldn't get it from my google search either even though it came up. Sue has kindly offered to send me a scan of her postcard when she can access a scanner, which is great. However I'd love to see the miniatures too - it seems they would be interesting! Many thanks, Regards Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay" <akaycia@optusnet.com.au> To: <LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: RE: [LANCSLIFE] Clogs > Hiya Linda - I found this site > http://www.howlingdog.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/lancashire/clogs.htm7 > - you might have already found it yourself. These clogs don't look like > the > ones sent to me by my grandfather from Warrington when I was a very young > girl. I now live near Sydney and they were sent nearly 50 years ago. Of > course, I don't have them now, but I do remember wearing them as a young > girl and them being very comfortable. I do have miniature ones which look > like my originals - if you don't have any more joy, I will take a photo > and > send it off to you. Cheers, Kay > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Holland [mailto:lmholland@kooee.com.au] > Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2005 9:50 AM > To: LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LANCSLIFE] Clogs > > > Hi all > > I am after photos of the old kind of clogs that my father used to wear as > a > boy. He never wore a pair of ordinary shoes until he was 14 and working. > He > has told me about them but I would love to have a photo. > > They were the ones with the usual wooden sole and clog irons, and with > thick > leather uppers that looked like ordinary boots on top. > > I have googled and found several sites that deal with clogs, and clog > dancing, but none of them have photos of the old clogs - just the fancy > ones > or dancing ones. > > In my searches I have come up with a couple of good poems about clogs, > which > has been great. > > Can anyone help? > > Linda Visman > Wangi Wangi > NSW Oz. > > > > ==== LANCSLIFE Mailing List ==== > The Lancaster Canal Trust: http://www.thelanky.co.uk/ > Welcome to Bolton!: http://www.bolton.org.uk/ > Liverpool City Council: > http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/graphics_version/root/Home/index.asp > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > ______________________________

Hi Sue Just got in after a wonderful weekend out in beautiful winter weather! I would love to have a scan of your postcard - after all my father's father and further back all wore the clogs. Thanks very much indeed Regards linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Regan" <sregan@tiscali.co.uk> To: <LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 9:56 AM Subject: RE: [LANCSLIFE] Clogs > Hallo Linda > > I recently bought an old postcard (around 1910) of a photograph of a > pair of old clogs. They are obviously older than your father's were! I > haven't access to a scanner at the moment but when I have it on the > computer, would you like me to send you an image? > > Regards > > Sue > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Holland [mailto:lmholland@kooee.com.au] > Sent: 06 August 2005 00:50 > To: LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LANCSLIFE] Clogs > > Hi all > > I am after photos of the old kind of clogs that my father used to wear > as a boy. He never wore a pair of ordinary shoes until he was 14 and > working. He has told me about them but I would love to have a photo. > > They were the ones with the usual wooden sole and clog irons, and with > thick leather uppers that looked like ordinary boots on top. > > I have googled and found several sites that deal with clogs, and clog > dancing, but none of them have photos of the old clogs - just the fancy > ones or dancing ones. > > In my searches I have come up with a couple of good poems about clogs, > which has been great. > > Can anyone help? > > Linda Visman > Wangi Wangi > NSW Oz. > > > > ==== LANCSLIFE Mailing List ==== > The Lancaster Canal Trust: http://www.thelanky.co.uk/ > Welcome to Bolton!: http://www.bolton.org.uk/ > Liverpool City Council: > http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/graphics_version/root/Home/index.asp > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.10.0/63 - Release Date: > 03/08/2005 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.10.0/63 - Release Date: > 03/08/2005 > > > ______________________________

Ey up, Bren. Cripes, Turf Lane is the posh bit? Nobody told me! Mind you I left there when I was four, when Mam & Dad got their first house in Shaw. That was in 1951 (sshhh!) Sandy Lane rings a bell - though it is years since I was in Royton - except that I went to the ATC's Remembrance service last year, my Uncle Harry, Mum's brother who died in a Stirling in 1943, being one of the blokes they were having the service for. There were three IIRC, who had all been members of the Squadron before the War. My Nan lived up Heyside when she moved from Turf Lane. It is quite near the ATC I think; I can remember as a kid when it was near the Glof links, and the old Spitfire was "parked" there. My dad let me sit in it once when nobody was looking! I also went to Royton Central School for a few years after it amalgamated with Shaw. Ian

Hi Listers For those interested in the history of 'clog-feightin' the following extract is from History of County Palatine of Lancashire. 1824: (I think the amusing thing is the way the language was used to describe it at the time, and the way Lancashire was seen as a strange and barbarous foreign place) : " BOLTON: At almost every assize at Lancaster several individuals are tried for murder or manslaughter, arising out of battles, when to the astonishment of strangers, evidence is given of parties mutually agreeing to fight 'up and down', which includes the right of kicking (or purring as it is called) on every part of the body in all possible situations and of squeezing the throat (throttling) to the very verge of death. At races, fares and other public occasions, contests of this nature are witnessed by crowds of persons who take part on each side. That death often occurs in such battles will not be thought extra-ordinary, especially when it is considered that clogs or heavy wooden soled shoes, covered with iron plates and studded with large nails are commonly worn in the districts where this barbarous custom prevails.'' Dave Holmes . Lancs FHS.Preston. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Holland" <lmholland@kooee.com.au> To: <LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 12:50 AM Subject: [LANCSLIFE] Clogs

Strange clogs should come up on the site, last Sunday I attempted to push my husband to the clog factory in Halifax, to no avail. Still working on it. Suzanne

Hi Ian I know you lived in the posh area of Royton but us lowly folk down Haggate wore clogs and went to Hancocks at the bottom of Sandy Lane to have them mended. HIs son didn't follow in his fathers footst eps he became a Chiropodist .In a kind of way I suppose he did being as they both were connected with feet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Winterbottom" <i.winterbottom@ntlworld.com> To: <LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [LANCSLIFE] Clogs > Eileen love, there was a time when tha' Grandad were a big mon i't' > neyburood. A bit like the area "dealer" but he sowd what folk wanted/needed, > summat on't feet. Clog dancers be blowed, he was a Big Bloke in his time! > Ian > > My grandpa was a clogger, made all the different kinds. including the ones > > you mentioned and the ones with straps across and also the clogs for the > > Lancashire clog dancers. > > > > Eileen (St Helens) > > > ==== LANCSLIFE Mailing List ==== > Scouser.com: http://www.scouser.com/core.html > University of Liverpool: http://www.liv.ac.uk/ > Bolton links: http://bold.bolton.gov.uk/naughton/bolton.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Eileen love, there was a time when tha' Grandad were a big mon i't' neyburood. A bit like the area "dealer" but he sowd what folk wanted/needed, summat on't feet. Clog dancers be blowed, he was a Big Bloke in his time! Ian > My grandpa was a clogger, made all the different kinds. including the ones > you mentioned and the ones with straps across and also the clogs for the > Lancashire clog dancers. > > Eileen (St Helens)

Crikey Linda, how far back are you going? I remember 60s Lancashire, and the Mills, but only ever knew one guy who wore clogs. The original ones were all wood weren't they? Sabots as in Sabotage? I do remember seeing the ones with leather uppers though. I know they must've hurt when applied vigorously, as in "Hoo 'as a face 'us 'ud stond cloggin." I think they disappeared around the Fifties? Ian Winterbottom

Hi Linda Coincidentally I am helping with a childrens holiday scheme in Burscough Lancashire and last week we had a lady in teaching the children clog dancing!! She has many many different styles of clogs including the ones you mentioned , that looked like boots. We are hoping to have her back soon (before September) as the children loved it and with any luck I will try to get a photo of the clogs for you. She mentioned she managed to purchase some cheaply on ebay so it could be worthwhile you checking the site over time Many of the clogs had irons on the bottoms like horse shoes which gave off sparks on the cobbles. Some were extensively embroidered and others had many eyelets as decorative features. There was even a pair about 2 inches long which were probably given as a baptism present. Alongside clog dancing there was also quite prolific clog fighting going on the localities. Some clogs had extra irons added on the inside toes. The object was to kick the opponent as hard as you could until they either gave up or their legs etc were broken or at worst fatalities !!! This was for prize money and gambling. Needless to say objections were made against this by employers and it was banned sometime in the 1800's due to so many labourers becoming so badly injured they couldnt work and cost the parish to keep them and their families. It did continue though, like many other prohibited sports eg dog fighting but went underground , often on canal barges and in the basement of public houses. Clog dancing was a lot more tamer!! Predominantly competitive by males on tables!! Was this the origins of table dancing. This was to ensure people could judge the steps easier and resulted in faster fancier footwork. Again gambling took place . Hope to get the photo for you soon Best wishes Helen in Lancashire

I wore clogs and so did my children!! About 7 years ago, I took some clogs out to New Zealand for my Great niece. They are still being made and are very comfortable! Pauline in Darwen

Linda Holland <mailto:lmholland@kooee.com.au> wrote on Saturday, August 06, 2005 12:50 AM: | Hi all | | I am after photos of the old kind of clogs that my father | used to wear as a boy. He never wore a pair of ordinary shoes | until he was 14 and working. He has told me about them but I | would love to have a photo. | | They were the ones with the usual wooden sole and clog irons, | and with thick leather uppers that looked like ordinary boots on top. | | I have googled and found several sites that deal with clogs, | and clog dancing, but none of them have photos of the old | clogs - just the fancy ones or dancing ones. | | In my searches I have come up with a couple of good poems | about clogs, which has been great. | | Can anyone help? | | Linda Visman | Wangi Wangi | NSW Oz. | Take your pick from The Walkley Clog Factory in Hebden Bridge, down the road from me:- http://www.chromavision.co.uk/walkleyclogs/cat_2.htm -- Rodney HALL Heywood, Lancashire Suaviter sed fortiter Agreeably but powerfully ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ rmh@rmhh.co.uk http://rmhh.co.uk/ http://rmhh.org.uk/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hiya Linda - I found this site http://www.howlingdog.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/lancashire/clogs.htm7 - you might have already found it yourself. These clogs don't look like the ones sent to me by my grandfather from Warrington when I was a very young girl. I now live near Sydney and they were sent nearly 50 years ago. Of course, I don't have them now, but I do remember wearing them as a young girl and them being very comfortable. I do have miniature ones which look like my originals - if you don't have any more joy, I will take a photo and send it off to you. Cheers, Kay -----Original Message----- From: Linda Holland [mailto:lmholland@kooee.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 6 August 2005 9:50 AM To: LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LANCSLIFE] Clogs Hi all I am after photos of the old kind of clogs that my father used to wear as a boy. He never wore a pair of ordinary shoes until he was 14 and working. He has told me about them but I would love to have a photo. They were the ones with the usual wooden sole and clog irons, and with thick leather uppers that looked like ordinary boots on top. I have googled and found several sites that deal with clogs, and clog dancing, but none of them have photos of the old clogs - just the fancy ones or dancing ones. In my searches I have come up with a couple of good poems about clogs, which has been great. Can anyone help? Linda Visman Wangi Wangi NSW Oz. ==== LANCSLIFE Mailing List ==== The Lancaster Canal Trust: http://www.thelanky.co.uk/ Welcome to Bolton!: http://www.bolton.org.uk/ Liverpool City Council: http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/graphics_version/root/Home/index.asp ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi all I am after photos of the old kind of clogs that my father used to wear as a boy. He never wore a pair of ordinary shoes until he was 14 and working. He has told me about them but I would love to have a photo. They were the ones with the usual wooden sole and clog irons, and with thick leather uppers that looked like ordinary boots on top. I have googled and found several sites that deal with clogs, and clog dancing, but none of them have photos of the old clogs - just the fancy ones or dancing ones. In my searches I have come up with a couple of good poems about clogs, which has been great. Can anyone help? Linda Visman Wangi Wangi NSW Oz.

My grandpa was a clogger, made all the different kinds. including the ones you mentioned and the ones with straps across and also the clogs for the Lancashire clog dancers. Eileen (St Helens)

Hallo Linda I recently bought an old postcard (around 1910) of a photograph of a pair of old clogs. They are obviously older than your father's were! I haven't access to a scanner at the moment but when I have it on the computer, would you like me to send you an image? Regards Sue -----Original Message----- From: Linda Holland [mailto:lmholland@kooee.com.au] Sent: 06 August 2005 00:50 To: LANCSLIFE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LANCSLIFE] Clogs Hi all I am after photos of the old kind of clogs that my father used to wear as a boy. He never wore a pair of ordinary shoes until he was 14 and working. He has told me about them but I would love to have a photo. They were the ones with the usual wooden sole and clog irons, and with thick leather uppers that looked like ordinary boots on top. I have googled and found several sites that deal with clogs, and clog dancing, but none of them have photos of the old clogs - just the fancy ones or dancing ones. In my searches I have come up with a couple of good poems about clogs, which has been great. Can anyone help? Linda Visman Wangi Wangi NSW Oz. ==== LANCSLIFE Mailing List ==== The Lancaster Canal Trust: http://www.thelanky.co.uk/ Welcome to Bolton!: http://www.bolton.org.uk/ Liverpool City Council: http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/graphics_version/root/Home/index.asp ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.10.0/63 - Release Date: 03/08/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.10.0/63 - Release Date: 03/08/2005