Hi June We are two of a kind (well, three if you count my husband). We constantly discuss the origin of the surnames of people we meet, see on television, etc. We are positively gleeful when we come across someone with an obvious Lancastrian name. Sad, aren't we? lol Lynne June Dowling wrote: Surnames have always been enormously fascinating to me. Both my parents had locational surnames - one from West Yorks and the other from East Lancs. This means to me that both families moved FROM their original settlement and were allocated these names by their new settlement at a time BEFORE people had surnames. Just to differentiate them from people with the same christian name in their new settlement. Nowadays - if I meet someone new - I find myself thinking about how they got their surname. Occupation, whether they lived near a bridge or a hill etc -- physical characteristic - if they were a serf perhaps and ended up with 'man' at the end of their name -- which I've always thought meant they had been someone's serf or servant.A really interesting subject for me. Regards June

Thank you so much for responding Lynne -- as you say that makes 3 of us interested in surnames anyway!! I also take an interest in old street names and wonder why they were so called -- some are obvious - others not so. I don't know why, but if you ever come across a 'Paradise' St, Lane or whatever -- it looks anything but 'Paradise'. In the town where I live and many moons ago - I can remember people saying about women who looked common, or perhaps scruffy 'She looks like she comes from Back Mary Ann St'. When I started Family History I discovered there WAS a Mary Ann St in the town --- and it was an Irish filled street. This typifies, I think the way the Irish were initially regarded when they came into our towns.(I can say this because my grandmother AND my husband are both Irish!!) June From: Lynne <lklein@mindspring.com> To: "lancsgen@rootsweb.com" <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 3 August 2018, 14:07 Subject: [LAN] Re: Surname distribution Hi June We are two of a kind (well, three if you count my husband).  We constantly discuss the origin of the surnames of people we meet, see on television, etc.  We are positively gleeful when we come across someone with an obvious Lancastrian name.  Sad, aren't we?  lol Lynne

Years ago someone on the Manchester list asked about a Windmill street in the Centre of Manchester. On checking old maps we discovered there use to be a Windmill in the mid 1700's at the end of the street on the side of a river/stream. Corn Brook on the border on Hulme and Moss Side was another name . The Brook now runs under Cornbrook street. Mike Morris Toronto Canada ________________________________ From: June Dowling via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> To: Lynne <lklein@mindspring.com>; "lancsgen@rootsweb.com" <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Cc: June Dowling <june.dowling@yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 3:08 PM as you say that makes 3 of us interested in surnames anyway!! I also take an interest in old street names and wonder why they were so called -- some are obvious - others not so.<snip>

Hi Mike --- yes, it's great when you discover something like that. Often streets were named after the relatives of the landowners or the builders. Particularly in cases where a street has a female christian name - it's sometimes named after the wife, mother or relative of the landowner. Accrington is not my own home town, but the famous Peel family were landowners etc and a lot of streets were named after their relatives. Later when the town started trading with countries abroad - a street would be named after that country - such as Persia St, Russia St, Turkey st etc. I suppose it was to honour the country with which they were dealing. June From: Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> To: June Dowling <june.dowling@yahoo.co.uk>; "lancsgen@rootsweb.com" <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 3 August 2018, 20:22 Subject: Re: [LAN] Re: Surname distribution Years ago someone on the Manchester list asked about a Windmill street in the Centre of Manchester. On checking old maps we discovered there use to be a Windmill in the mid 1700's at the end of the street on the side of a river/stream. Corn Brook on the border on Hulme and Moss Side was another name . The Brook now runs under Cornbrook street. Mike Morris Toronto Canada

And don't forget George Bullough who built Kinloch Castle. His divorce papers are on Ancestry and make quite colourful reading. :-) http://www.isleofrum.com/isleofrumheritag.php https://www.flickr.com/photos/doffcocker/albums/72157687568015802 There is a book about him that is available in paperback. Martin Briscoe Fort William Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) -----Original Message----- From: June Dowling via LANCSGEN [mailto:lancsgen@rootsweb.com] Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 8:35 PM To: Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com>; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: June Dowling <june.dowling@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [LAN] Re: Surname distribution Hi Mike --- yes, it's great when you discover something like that. Often streets were named after the relatives of the landowners or the builders. Particularly in cases where a street has a female christian name - it's sometimes named after the wife, mother or relative of the landowner. Accrington is not my own home town, but the famous Peel family were landowners etc and a lot of streets were named after their relatives. Later when the town started trading with countries abroad - a street would be named after that country - such as Persia St, Russia St, Turkey st etc. I suppose it was to honour the country with which they were dealing.

Martin, Thank you SO much for the brilliant links. The story in link 1 is really amazing and the photos in link 2 -- wonderful. I have read the paperback about George Bullough some years ago, but didn't know his divorce papers were on Ancestry. I will check those out. For people who have never heard of George Bullough -- the firm of Howard and Bullough were major employers in the small town of Accrington, Lancs (or Accy as it is known locally --- situated next to Ossy -- Oswaldtwistle!) Thank you again Martin. (How come you know so much when you live so far away!!) Regards June From: Martin Briscoe (W10 laptop) <list@mbriscoe.me.uk> To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 3 August 2018, 21:09 Subject: [LAN] Re: Surname distribution And don't forget George Bullough who built Kinloch Castle.  His divorce papers are on Ancestry and make quite colourful reading.  :-) http://www.isleofrum.com/isleofrumheritag.php https://www.flickr.com/photos/doffcocker/albums/72157687568015802 There is a book about him that is available in paperback. Martin Briscoe Fort William Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507)

The book about the Bulloughs is Eccentric Wealth by Alastair Scott, published by Birlinn. He made his money making the machines for cotton mills rather than cotton spinning. He built Kinloch Castle on Rum and it had every modern convenience. It is rather sad now, it needs a lot of money spending on it but of course there is little available. You can get across for the day but you must check ferry timetables carefully because the Small Isles service does different routes each day. But you can get over by mid-morning, walk to the castle, go on a tour and walk back in time for the afternoon ferry. You need special permission to take vehicles to any of the Small Isles. We locals (Highland Council area) get free passage on the ferry with the "bus pass" so it can be a nice little cruise in good weather. He is said to have brought craftsmen up from Lancashire to work on building the house. He wanted them to wear kilts but they were reluctant after encountering the Highland Midges so he had to pay them extra. Martin Briscoe Fort William Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) -----Original Message----- From: June Dowling via LANCSGEN [mailto:lancsgen@rootsweb.com] Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 9:15 AM To: martin@mbriscoe.me.uk; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: June Dowling <june.dowling@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [LAN] Re: Surname distribution Martin, Thank you SO much for the brilliant links. The story in link 1 is really amazing and the photos in link 2 -- wonderful. I have read the paperback about George Bullough some years ago, but didn't know his divorce papers were on Ancestry. I will check those out. For people who have never heard of George Bullough -- the firm of Howard and Bullough were major employers in the small town of Accrington, Lancs (or Accy as it is known locally --- situated next to Ossy -- Oswaldtwistle!) Thank you again Martin. (How come you know so much when you live so far away!!) Regards June