Noticing some activity on the list, I thought it may be a good time to post my recent family history progress. As a brief summary, I have been trying to determine the identity of my grandfather’s father for over 30 years. It was this endeavor that got me started in genealogy but over all of those years, I was not able to find anything that would lead me to the answer. So, with all of the excitement regarding DNA testing, I figured I had nothing to lose by going down this path to see where it may lead. I got my results and initial set of matches in late March, and took a week or so sending messages to people with the expectation that they would all respond. Some did, but a large portion of my messages went unanswered. I was able to figure out most of the few matches that were categorized as 2nd or 3rd cousins so I moved on to the fourth cousin category to see what I could come up with. The fourth match in this category had very little identifying information that would give me a clue as to who she was or how she may have been related, except for two things. First was her user name which was in the form of firstname-secondname-number.  Considering that my user name is ttwood49, I took a guess that the number in her user name was her year of birth. Second she had two family trees listed with not much to them except for the two surnames in their titles, one of which was the same as the second name in her user name. Without going into great detail, using FreeBMD, LancashireBMD and Lan-OPC, I took this information, and in a relatively short period of time found a name that was quite familiar to me. I knew from the time I got a set of 1881 census discs from the LDS in the 1990's that there were three young lads of 20 (the same age as my great grandmother) living either next door to her or as a boarder in her father’s house.  From that point, I always speculated as to whether one of these could be my great grandfather.  The Critchley family, the same surname that I instantly recognized when doing my investigation lived next to my Wood family from before the time of the 1851 census into the 1890’s. Knowing that to this point this could all be circumstantial or wishful thinking, I proceeded to try to make contact with my Ancestry match. After several attempts over a period of two months and getting to the point of begging, I had a response.  My match confirmed that, yes, one of the son’s of the family that I traced back was her great grandfather. I am quite confident that my great grandfather came from this Critchley family. The question to still be answered is whether the exact individual can be determined. It is highly likely it was one of the three Critchley sons, but there is the possibility that the match came from their mother's side of the family whose maiden name was Speakman. Of the three sons, the most likely candidate would have been Edward who was the same age as my great grandmother. He died of TB less than two years after the birth of my grandfather and was never married and I am assuming that he had no other offspring.  Another son was Thomas who was 8 years older than my great grandmother and never married. At this point I have no way of knowing if he fathered any children.   That leaves Robert, the great grandfather of my match. He was a few months away from his 16th birthday when my great grandmother became pregnant and is most likely not my great grandfather. In 1911 he was married with 5 children living on Violet St. in Ashton in Makerfield, the same town where he was born. His sons were Robert age 19, William age 15 and Percy age 10 and the two girls were Mary Ann age 18 and Alice Ann age 6. I know that William married Angelina Smith in 1919 and Mary Ann may have married Oswald Topping in 1914. I believe Alice Ann died in 1918 at age 14 and Robert died in 1928 age 37. I am not certain of what happened to Percy. He may have died in Newton le Willows in 1959, but I do not know for certain. My objective now is to try to make contact with any living descendants of Robert’s family for the purpose of trying to get more evidence that may lead to the precise identity of my great grandfather.  So if anyone may recognize this Critchley family I would be appreciative of any assistance I could get in locating any living descendants. Thanks for reading, Tom  

Great work Tom! Just to ask a question about Tom's DNA outcome. To confirm whether Critchley or Speakman line, do you then ask a Critchley who doesnt have Speakman in their line, to do a test. Or are there far more options? Cheers Marg -----Original Message----- From: T. Wood via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 3 August 2018 8:22 AM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: T. Wood <ttwood49@yahoo.com> Subject: [LAN] Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results Noticing some activity on the list, I thought it may be a good time to post my recent family history progress. As a brief summary, I have been trying to determine the identity of my grandfather’s father for over 30 years. It was this endeavor that got me started in genealogy but over all of those years, I was not able to find anything that would lead me to the answer. So, with all of the excitement regarding DNA testing, I figured I had nothing to lose by going down this path to see where it may lead. I got my results and initial set of matches in late March, and took a week or so sending messages to people with the expectation that they would all respond. Some did, but a large portion of my messages went unanswered. I was able to figure out most of the few matches that were categorized as 2nd or 3rd cousins so I moved on to the fourth cousin category to see what I could come up with. The fourth match in this category had very little identifying information that would give me a clue as to who she was or how she may have been related, except for two things. First was her user name which was in the form of firstname-secondname-number. Considering that my user name is ttwood49, I took a guess that the number in her user name was her year of birth. Second she had two family trees listed with not much to them except for the two surnames in their titles, one of which was the same as the second name in her user name. Without going into great detail, using FreeBMD, LancashireBMD and Lan-OPC, I took this information, and in a relatively short period of time found a name that was quite familiar to me. I knew from the time I got a set of 1881 census discs from the LDS in the 1990's that there were three young lads of 20 (the same age as my great grandmother) living either next door to her or as a boarder in her father’s house. From that point, I always speculated as to whether one of these could be my great grandfather. The Critchley family, the same surname that I instantly recognized when doing my investigation lived next to my Wood family from before the time of the 1851 census into the 1890’s. Knowing that to this point this could all be circumstantial or wishful thinking, I proceeded to try to make contact with my Ancestry match. After several attempts over a period of two months and getting to the point of begging, I had a response. My match confirmed that, yes, one of the son’s of the family that I traced back was her great grandfather. I am quite confident that my great grandfather came from this Critchley family. The question to still be answered is whether the exact individual can be determined. It is highly likely it was one of the three Critchley sons, but there is the possibility that the match came from their mother's side of the family whose maiden name was Speakman. Of the three sons, the most likely candidate would have been Edward who was the same age as my great grandmother. He died of TB less than two years after the birth of my grandfather and was never married and I am assuming that he had no other offspring. Another son was Thomas who was 8 years older than my great grandmother and never married. At this point I have no way of knowing if he fathered any children. That leaves Robert, the great grandfather of my match. He was a few months away from his 16th birthday when my great grandmother became pregnant and is most likely not my great grandfather. In 1911 he was married with 5 children living on Violet St. in Ashton in Makerfield, the same town where he was born. His sons were Robert age 19, William age 15 and Percy age 10 and the two girls were Mary Ann age 18 and Alice Ann age 6. I know that William married Angelina Smith in 1919 and Mary Ann may have married Oswald Topping in 1914. I believe Alice Ann died in 1918 at age 14 and Robert died in 1928 age 37. I am not certain of what happened to Percy. He may have died in Newton le Willows in 1959, but I do not know for certain. My objective now is to try to make contact with any living descendants of Robert’s family for the purpose of trying to get more evidence that may lead to the precise identity of my great grandfather. So if anyone may recognize this Critchley family I would be appreciative of any assistance I could get in locating any living descendants. Thanks for reading, Tom _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/lancsgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I saw a very close match on Ancestry DNA and when I looked at the map, the person had lots of family in Bolton but none of the main names in my tree. I made contact and he said that his grandmother never knew who her father was. He got back to me a few months later and for a whole series of reasons we came to the conclusion that it must have been one particular member of my family in the 19th Century. We cannot prove it but I suspect that we are more certain than we would be with a name on a Birth Certificate. Martin Briscoe Fort William Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) -----Original Message----- From: T. Wood via LANCSGEN [mailto:lancsgen@rootsweb.com] Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 11:22 PM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: T. Wood <ttwood49@yahoo.com> Subject: [LAN] Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results Noticing some activity on the list, I thought it may be a good time to post my recent family history progress. As a brief summary, I have been trying to determine the identity of my grandfather’s father for over 30 years. It was this endeavor that got me started in genealogy but over all of those years, I was not able to find anything that would lead me to the answer. So, with all of the excitement regarding DNA testing, I figured I had nothing to lose by going down this path to see where it may lead.

I got my  DNA results recently but had mostly 3rd/4th/5th cousins connect.  I contacted a few but they have all said not able to match to any of the surnames I gave them.   Quite disappointed really -  very few in the UK seem to have done their DNA    Dot Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: "Martin Briscoe (W10 laptop)" <list@mbriscoe.me.uk> Date: 03/08/2018 07:57 (GMT+00:00) To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results I saw a very close match on Ancestry DNA and when I looked at the map, the person had lots of family in Bolton but none of the main names in my tree.  I made contact and he said that his grandmother never knew who her father was.  He got back to me a few months later and for a whole series of reasons we came to the conclusion that it must have been one particular member of my family in the 19th Century.  We cannot prove it but I suspect that we are more certain than we would be with a name on a Birth Certificate. Martin Briscoe Fort William Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) -----Original Message----- From: T. Wood via LANCSGEN [mailto:lancsgen@rootsweb.com] Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 11:22 PM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: T. Wood <ttwood49@yahoo.com> Subject: [LAN] Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results Noticing some activity on the list, I thought it may be a good time to post my recent family history progress. As a brief summary, I have been trying to determine the identity of my grandfather’s father for over 30 years. It was this endeavor that got me started in genealogy but over all of those years, I was not able to find anything that would lead me to the answer. So, with all of the excitement regarding DNA testing, I figured I had nothing to lose by going down this path to see where it may lead. _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information.  http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator  at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/lancsgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I found out that the man I thought was my father was not my biological father. Who was? I've no idea and I don't suppose I'll ever know. It was wartime and... -- John Lynch > I got my DNA results recently but had mostly 3rd/4th/5th cousins connect. I > contacted a few but they have all said not able to match to any of the > surnames I gave them. Quite disappointed really - very few in the UK seem > to have done their DNA Dot

John, I understand that in the male line an actual family last name can be found from DNA if you do the Y-DNA test. I'm not sure if all Y-DNA companies give you a name or if you have to find a special place to test. That being said, if it was the war years with many temporary men around, a last name probably wouldn't help. Only male side can give you a last name as that stays the same. Female line name changes with each new family. On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 09:44:19 +0100, John The Genes via LANCSGEN wrote: I found out that the man I thought was my father was not my biological father. Who was? I've no idea and I don't suppose I'll ever know. It was wartime and... -- John Lynch

Hi John, Join the club. I spent over twenty years researching my parents families some back as far as the 1600's. Then to my surprise, my recent DNA test result put me at 47% South Asian. I did not see that one coming, I had no idea. I always thought possibly there might be some Jewish DNA in me. So the kids bought me the test kit for Christmas. I also thought I had a strong Irish DNA. Not to be. It was only 12% Irish and Scot combined. The English part was 33%. I do have black hair and a tanned complexion.  With the potential cousins list they send you I have not located any family on my dads side so my conclusion is its a missing father. I don't think 47% would have been through a grandfather. It would have helped me if my sister had shown an interest and had the same test done.  By the way, I have posted notes to all the potential relatives I saw posted who were from South Asia. I have pinned it down that my parent came from the Punjab region of India/Pakistan and he was from the KHATRI caste.  With the help of these very helpful distant cousins I have accumulated about ten family surnames belonging to the KHATRI caste. They are KAKKAR, KHANNA, SIKKA, SETH, KAPOOR, GARELLA, SABHARWAL,SURI, ANAND and MALHOTRA.  It was interesting to find there was a distant DNA cousin of the MALHOTRA family living just ten minutes away from where I live in Canada. I must say this new research is tougher than all we accomplished through Rootsweb. Hopefully one day I might get a first cousin posting their DNA.This DNA testing seems to be fairly new in Britain, most of my distant new relatives are in the USA. So don't give up. I receive names of any new posted person by looking at the DNA site  every few days. It changes with the addition of new people who have had the test and are potentially related. By the way, Although this was a major change to my family it did not bother me. I was quite excited to see this report. Its given me a whole new area and a new way I have to do my research.Kind regards. Mike Morris  Toronto Canada From: John The Genes via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: John The Genes <john_the_genes@btinternet.com> Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 4:45 AM Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results I found out that the man I thought was my father was not my biological father. Who was? I've no idea and I don't suppose I'll ever know. <snip>

That's an amazing story Mike! My DNA results were as expected - western Europe, the Midlands and Wales!! Like you, I wish more people would get their dna done. Anne -----Original Message----- From: Mike Morris Sent: Friday, August 03, 2018 9:11 AM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: John The Genes Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results Hi John, Join the club. I spent over twenty years researching my parents families some back as far as the 1600's. Then to my surprise, my recent DNA test result put me at 47% South Asian. I did not see that one coming, I had no idea. I always thought possibly there might be some Jewish DNA in me. So the kids bought me the test kit for Christmas. I also thought I had a strong Irish DNA. Not to be. It was only 12% Irish and Scot combined. The English part was 33%. I do have black hair and a tanned complexion. With the potential cousins list they send you I have not located any family on my dads side so my conclusion is its a missing father. I don't think 47% would have been through a grandfather. It would have helped me if my sister had shown an interest and had the same test done. By the way, I have posted notes to all the potential relatives I saw posted who were from South Asia. I have pinned it down that my parent came from the Punjab region of India/Pakistan and he was from the KHATRI caste. With the help of these very helpful distant cousins I have accumulated about ten family surnames belonging to the KHATRI caste. They are KAKKAR, KHANNA, SIKKA, SETH, KAPOOR, GARELLA, SABHARWAL,SURI, ANAND and MALHOTRA. It was interesting to find there was a distant DNA cousin of the MALHOTRA family living just ten minutes away from where I live in Canada. I must say this new research is tougher than all we accomplished through Rootsweb. Hopefully one day I might get a first cousin posting their DNA.This DNA testing seems to be fairly new in Britain, most of my distant new relatives are in the USA. So don't give up. I receive names of any new posted person by looking at the DNA site every few days. It changes with the addition of new people who have had the test and are potentially related. By the way, Although this was a major change to my family it did not bother me. I was quite excited to see this report. Its given me a whole new area and a new way I have to do my research.Kind regards. Mike Morris Toronto Canada From: John The Genes via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: John The Genes <john_the_genes@btinternet.com> Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 4:45 AM Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results I found out that the man I thought was my father was not my biological father. Who was? I've no idea and I don't suppose I'll ever know. <snip> _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/lancsgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I think one thing that is now holding people back is the fact that DNA has been used to trace down bad guys. I personally don't have a problem with it, but imagine there are some out there who would rather not have the DNA databases looked at that way. I am going to have mine done, when I can afford it. I would like to know a bit more about my English ancestors (Lockhart, Lovejoy, Emmett, Davis, Wallace, Cull), my Irish (Sullivan) and German (Schulken, Heasloop) lines. My line is pretty boring. LOL Susan Boise, Idaho, USA -----Original Message----- From: ANNE [mailto:granne@cogeco.ca] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2018 7:46 AM To: Mike Morris; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results That's an amazing story Mike! My DNA results were as expected - western Europe, the Midlands and Wales!! Like you, I wish more people would get their dna done. Anne -----Original Message----- From: Mike Morris Sent: Friday, August 03, 2018 9:11 AM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Cc: John The Genes Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results Hi John, Join the club. I spent over twenty years researching my parents families some back as far as the 1600's. Then to my surprise, my recent DNA test result put me at 47% South Asian. I did not see that one coming, I had no idea. I always thought possibly there might be some Jewish DNA in me. So the kids bought me the test kit for Christmas. I also thought I had a strong Irish DNA. Not to be. It was only 12% Irish and Scot combined. The English part was 33%. I do have black hair and a tanned complexion. With the potential cousins list they send you I have not located any family on my dads side so my conclusion is its a missing father. I don't think 47% would have been through a grandfather. It would have helped me if my sister had shown an interest and had the same test done. By the way, I have posted notes to all the potential relatives I saw posted who were from South Asia. I have pinned it down that my parent came from the Punjab region of India/Pakistan and he was from the KHATRI caste. With the help of these very helpful distant cousins I have accumulated about ten family surnames belonging to the KHATRI caste. They are KAKKAR, KHANNA, SIKKA, SETH, KAPOOR, GARELLA, SABHARWAL,SURI, ANAND and MALHOTRA. It was interesting to find there was a distant DNA cousin of the MALHOTRA family living just ten minutes away from where I live in Canada. I must say this new research is tougher than all we accomplished through Rootsweb. Hopefully one day I might get a first cousin posting their DNA.This DNA testing seems to be fairly new in Britain, most of my distant new relatives are in the USA. So don't give up. I receive names of any new posted person by looking at the DNA site every few days. It changes with the addition of new people who have had the test and are potentially related. By the way, Although this was a major change to my family it did not bother me. I was quite excited to see this report. Its given me a whole new area and a new way I have to do my research.Kind regards. Mike Morris Toronto Canada

There have been a lot of news stories in the last few days about an agreement between the main DNA testing companies of privacy but some have expressed doubts about it. There does seem a lot of paranoia about it, there are many more important privacy issues with data. Martin Briscoe Fort William Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) -----Original Message----- From: Susan Slade Grossl [mailto:sdsladegrossl@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 3:15 PM To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com; 'Mike Morris' <morrisind@rogers.com> Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results I think one thing that is now holding people back is the fact that DNA has been used to trace down bad guys. I personally don't have a problem with it, but imagine there are some out there who would rather not have the DNA databases looked at that way.

Law enforcement seem to mainly use GEDMatch for their searches, not the DNA companies themselves. Some say they have no luck with UK matches as many don't test, but I've had some excellent matchees in England that added more than 100 people to my tree. One was a 5th cousin but clearly documented. If people would just post their tree with their DNA, more people could find them. On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 15:42:48 +0100, "Martin Briscoe (W10 laptop)" wrote: There have been a lot of news stories in the last few days about an agreement between the main DNA testing companies of privacy but some have expressed doubts about it. There does seem a lot of paranoia about it, there are many more important privacy issues with data. y

I 'know' the (alleged) nationality of my biological father and I 'know' his alleged occupation in WW2 (pilot, Polish Airforce). But I don't have a name. So I think (really) I am never going to find his family. Both my son and I did DNA tests with Ancestry, but apart from telling me that I had a large percentage of Eastern European in me, I wouldn't know how to use that information. Best Wishes, Penny On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 4:28 PM, "Linda" <linsfam@myfairpoint.net> wrote: > > Law enforcement seem to mainly use GEDMatch for their searches, not the > DNA companies themselves. > > Some say they have no luck with UK matches as many don't test, but I've > had some excellent matchees in England that added more than 100 people to > my tree. One was a 5th cousin but clearly documented. If people would > just post their tree with their DNA, more people could find them. > > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 15:42:48 +0100, "Martin Briscoe (W10 laptop)" wrote: > > There have been a lot of news stories in the last few days about an > agreement between the main DNA testing companies of privacy but some have > expressed doubts about it. > > There does seem a lot of paranoia about it, there are many more important > privacy issues with data. > > y > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/lancsgen > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

You never know, probably people in Poland are having tests done and of course many Poles over here. Just needs to be a close relative of your biological father. Martin Briscoe Fort William Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) -----Original Message----- From: Penny Trueman [mailto:maudtrueman@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 7:18 PM To: Linda Pauwels <linsfam@myfairpoint.net>; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results I 'know' the (alleged) nationality of my biological father and I 'know' his alleged occupation in WW2 (pilot, Polish Airforce). But I don't have a name. So I think (really) I am never going to find his family. Both my son and I did DNA tests with Ancestry, but apart from telling me that I had a large percentage of Eastern European in me, I wouldn't know how to use that information. Best Wishes, Penny

This is for Mike Morris, Linda, Martin Briscoe and anyone else who has commented on my post about DNA and my father. It doesn't trouble me particularly. I was born in early 1943 so conceived in 1942. There was a war on. The man I think of as my father was in the army. My mother and my older sister were living near an airfield close to the south coast. At that time, no-one knew how the war was going to end and people didn't always behave as they would usually have done. My father survived the war and brought me up as though I'd been his, making no distinction between my sister (in fact, half sister) and me. I never knew differently. He's been dead a long time; my mother is still alive at 103 and still fully marbled up but I'm not going to ask her now. 'Hey, Mam, who was me Dad really? You can tell us now.' (I grew up in the northeast). No, I can't see myself playing that scene. The only reason to want to know is that my approach to genealogy is that it tells me what forces made me who I am, and I've had to discount the whole Irish ancestry I thought I had, and understand that - DNA-wise - I'm 47% Ashkenazi Jewish. I thought the commonest names in my tree on my father's side were Lynch, Haniford and Driscoll. I now know that top of the list is Cohen. I've been genealogising for more than 30 years and I tell people I'm descended from several long lines of bastards - which is true; I just didn't realise I was one of them. But some interesting things emerge. I spent 40+ years in international sales and I always loved the Middle East and especially the Arabian Peninsula. I like Saudi Arabia, which most British people don't, and whenever I landed in Abu Dhabi, which I did a lot, I felt as though I was coming home. Now I find I'm genetically linked to there. I never felt any affinity with Ireland. Irish people would hear my name and ask where my family came from and I'd say, 'Oh, I've had the operation. All my Irish blood has been removed.' It was a joke, but now I discover I was right! I have more Neanderthal DNA than most people, which I find amusing as long as it doesn't mean I have to become an Everton supporter. My paternal haplogroup is J-L210 which, according to 23andme, was carried by the first farmers in the Fertile Crescent. I love hot weather - high 30s and 40s hot. I used to tell my mother I'd been born 1,000 miles too far north and I held her responsible. It's only now that I wonder what went through her mind when I said that. And, let's face it - whoever my biological father was, it's extremely unlikely that he's still alive. If he was, say, a Polish airman, he may well have died before the war ended. -- John Lynch > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Briscoe (W10 laptop) <list@mbriscoe.me.uk> > Sent: 03 August 2018 19:28 > To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results > > You never know, probably people in Poland are having tests done and of > course many Poles over here. Just needs to be a close relative of your > biological father. > > Martin Briscoe

Hi Penny.....I googled "Polish Air Force WW2" and one of the pages that came up showed where they were stationed in England during that time. It also has lots more places to look and photos. You may find them in a town that your Mom lived in the year before you were born: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Air_Forces_in_France_and_Great_Britain Happy hunting! Mary Lou -----Original Message----- From: Penny Trueman <maudtrueman@gmail.com> To: Linda Pauwels <linsfam@myfairpoint.net>; lancsgen <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Aug 3, 2018 12:18 pm Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results I 'know' the (alleged) nationality of my biological father and I 'know' his alleged occupation in WW2 (pilot, Polish Airforce). But I don't have a name. So I think (really) I am never going to find his family. Both my son and I did DNA tests with Ancestry, but apart from telling me that I had a large percentage of Eastern European in me, I wouldn't know how to use that information. Best Wishes, Penny On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 4:28 PM, "Linda" <linsfam@myfairpoint.net> wrote: > > Law enforcement seem to mainly use GEDMatch for their searches, not the > DNA companies themselves. > > Some say they have no luck with UK matches as many don't test, but I've > had some excellent matchees in England that added more than 100 people to > my tree. One was a 5th cousin but clearly documented. If people would > just post their tree with their DNA, more people could find them. > > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 15:42:48 +0100, "Martin Briscoe (W10 laptop)" wrote: > > There have been a lot of news stories in the last few days about an > agreement between the main DNA testing companies of privacy but some have > expressed doubts about it. > > There does seem a lot of paranoia about it, there are many more important > privacy issues with data. > > y > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/lancsgen > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > _______________________________________________ :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/lancsgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hello Penny, I always hope there is a DNA related first cousin who might post their DNA in Britain one day soon. This would give me a lead. Every week I am in touch with more South Asian DNA relatives as they get their DNA tested. Most are centred around one Caste name KHATRI. The Caste has a number of family surnames and some of them are duplicated in the people I have been in contact with. If I get more of one surname then this narrows down my search and I shall try and track this name down in a couple of areas pry to 1937 England. I was born in Weston Super Mare, Bristol . That would be the first place I would check. The Ration book register of 1939 would be a place I would look. Best wishes Mike Morris Toronto Canada ________________________________ From: Penny Trueman <maudtrueman@gmail.com> To: Linda Pauwels <linsfam@myfairpoint.net>; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 2:18 PM Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results I 'know' the (alleged) nationality of my biological father and I 'know' his alleged occupation in WW2 (pilot, Polish Airforce). But I don't have a name. So I think (really) I am never going to find his family. <snip>

Dear Martin, Mary Lou and Mike, You don't know how much I appreciate your responses. All my life I've wondered about this subject off and on, and, in the last few minutes you've given me more positive stuff to think about than ever before :) Best Wishes, Penny On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 7:37 PM, Mike Morris <morrisind@rogers.com> wrote: > Hello Penny, > I always hope there is a DNA related first cousin who might post their DNA > in Britain one day soon. This would give me a lead. Every week I am in > touch with more South Asian DNA relatives as they get their DNA tested. > Most are centred around one Caste name KHATRI. The Caste has a number of > family surnames and some of them are duplicated in the people I have been > in contact with. If I get more of one surname then this narrows down my > search and I shall try and track this name down in a couple of areas pry to > 1937 England. I was born in Weston Super Mare, Bristol . That would be the > first place I would check. The Ration book register of 1939 would be a > place I would look. > > Best wishes > > Mike Morris Toronto Canada > > > > ________________________________ > From: Penny Trueman <maudtrueman@gmail.com> > To: Linda Pauwels <linsfam@myfairpoint.net>; lancsgen@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 2:18 PM > Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results > > > > I 'know' the (alleged) nationality of my biological father and I 'know' his > alleged occupation in WW2 (pilot, Polish Airforce). But I don't have a > name. > So I think (really) I am never going to find his family. <snip> > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/lancsgen > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hi, I tested with both FTDNA and Ancestry and am fairly challenged with DNA researching. I 'think' that the origins sections refer back to ancient origins, so not necessarily reflective of our more recent histories - and not always obviously helpful. Also, the results are based on the populations of those tested, thus a low percentage can mean not many from a particular area have tested. Also, different companies interpret results differently. For me, each grandparent immigrated to the USA from a different country, thus I anticipated abt 25% each for England, Ireland, Italy and Portugal (Azores). The origins results are not so balanced. Particularly low Italian showing via Ancestry, higher via FTDNA - likely because fewer participants from Italy. As various populations increase participation, the percentages should change. FYI, FTDNA is having a summer sale - with their FamilyFinder autosomal test currently at $59. Not sure if there would be a further discount if testing via one of the projects? Re Trees Before testing, I was happy to share with identified 'rellies' about shared lines, but never posted any public tree. As with DNA we have 'answers' (matches), but don't know the connections, I created a limited/direct line tree for the FTDNA site. I've more recently posted a direct line tree on Ancestry. Marsha Stringer stringer@mstringer.net -----Original Message----- From: Penny Trueman [mailto:maudtrueman@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2018 2:18 PM To: Linda Pauwels; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results I 'know' the (alleged) nationality of my biological father and I 'know' his alleged occupation in WW2 (pilot, Polish Airforce). But I don't have a name. So I think (really) I am never going to find his family. Both my son and I did DNA tests with Ancestry, but apart from telling me that I had a large percentage of Eastern European in me, I wouldn't know how to use that information. Best Wishes, Penny On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 4:28 PM, "Linda" <linsfam@myfairpoint.net> wrote: > Some say they have no luck with UK matches as many don't test, but I've > had some excellent matchees in England that added more than 100 people to > my tree. One was a 5th cousin but clearly documented. If people would > just post their tree with their DNA, more people could find them. > > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 15:42:48 +0100, "Martin Briscoe (W10 laptop)" wrote: > > There does seem a lot of paranoia about it, there are many more important > privacy issues with data. >

Unless you're a criminal and don't want the police to track you through your DNA, what's the problem? Sharee On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 8:42 AM, Martin Briscoe (W10 laptop) < list@mbriscoe.me.uk> wrote: > There have been a lot of news stories in the last few days about an > agreement between the main DNA testing companies of privacy but some have > expressed doubts about it. > > There does seem a lot of paranoia about it, there are many more important > privacy issues with data. > > > > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan Slade Grossl [mailto:sdsladegrossl@cableone.net] > Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 3:15 PM > To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com; 'Mike Morris' <morrisind@rogers.com> > Subject: [LAN] Re: Genealogy Advancement Through DNA Test Results > > I think one thing that is now holding people back is the fact that DNA has > been used to trace down bad guys. I personally don't have a problem with > it, > but imagine there are some out there who would rather not have the DNA > databases looked at that way. > > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/lancsgen > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Something I have brought up several times There are far more important issues to worry about with dna research than the police finding a perpetrator of a crime who frankly deserve to be caught Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/08/2018 20:26, Sharee Hughes wrote: > Unless you're a criminal and don't want the police to track you through > your DNA, what's the problem? > > Sharee