So sorry Adrian -- I hadn't 'reached' your helpful reply to Bob C regarding the pre 1650 Wills, when I replied to him. J. From: Adrian Bruce <abruce6155@gmail.com> To: LancsGen Mailing List <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2018, 11:46 Subject: [LAN] Re: Online Parish Records On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 at 11:16, familyhistory <familyhistory@bccy.org.uk> wrote: ... > > Which could have been his ancestor but I haven't been able to source an > image of the will itself - LDS don't have images from that far back > which rather begs the question of where Durham University have been able > to extract the above information from. ... From URL http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/images.php#earlywills "The pre-1650 wills and inventories "Note that the pre-1650 original wills and inventories etc (series DPR/I/1) were not digitised by the GSU, as they were still being sorted and numbered at the time. These will not therefore be included in the initial tranche of digital images made available online, though we hope we may be able to have them digitised separately at a later date. They are, however, included within this online catalogue. "The pre-1695 bonds "These are small parchment documents, double-sided (most later bonds are single sided paper documents, though still written in two 'parts'). Most include seals, and for this reason these documents cannot be photocopied without risking damage to the originals. "Because many of these early bonds are badly obscured by dirt, they would require extensive cleaning and conservation work before they could be photographed satisfactorily. For this reason, the pre-1695 probate bonds were not digitised by the GSU, and digital images of them will not be made available on their Family Search website. ... " Adrian

Hi All, I have always found http://www.dustydocs.com/country-show/1/England.html to be very useful in identifying the sources for individual parish records, it also identifies the film numbers for Familysearch which can be used as a filter, i.e. when using https://www.familysearch.org/search/hr/search enter a surname and country and use the 'Restrict records by' the film number given in dustydocs, this will give you all persons of that name transcribed from that parish. Regards, Phil Marsden Researching Marsden on the Lancs/Yorks border areas.

My sincere apologies if these sites have already been mentioned -- the correspondence on this subject has been quite 'booming' - and my age related brain shrinkage causes me to overlook things!! Derbyshire have some interesting records here on their 'Yesterdays Journey' site. http://sites.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm Northumberland and Durham pre 1858 Wills are on Family Search as browsable, BUT -- if you go to this site; http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/simple.php Enter the details - select the will you want and click the link - you will be taken straight to that Will on the Family Search site and can save or print it. Regards June

June, I was in the middle of sending thanks to you for the Northumberland wills link, which I hadn't come across before, when I saw your link for stonemasons' records and had a look for my Brennan(d) and Brockbank family. They started out as stonemasons in Milnthorpe, Westmorland. Some moved to the Lancaster area and I found two great-great-uncles and the widow of one listed. Thank you so much. Beth.

Beth -- thank you so much for that feedback -- it's so good to know that something has been useful for somebody else. I came across that site when researching a friend's Northumberland roots -- she had stonemasons in her ancestry. Unfortunately hers weren't on that site, but I do remember thinking how useful it could be for others with stonemason ancestry.Also found sites about what they wore -- and how many of the tools still in use today were virtually the same as those used centuries ago. I found it to be really interesting research. Regards June From: Beth Leach <beth.leach@talktalk.net> To: June Dowling <june.dowling@yahoo.co.uk>; lancsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018, 15:19 Subject: Re: [LAN] Re: Online Parish Records June, I was in the middle of sending thanks to you for the Northumberland wills link, which I hadn't come across before, when I saw your link for stonemasons' records and had a look for my Brennan(d) and Brockbank family. They started out as stonemasons in Milnthorpe, Westmorland.  Some moved to the Lancaster area and I found two great-great-uncles and the widow of one listed. Thank you so much. Beth.

June, The Northumberland/Durham one reawakened an interest I had in tracing a Cuthbert Gibson of Burnley who appears to have come from Barningham (near Barnards Castle) around 1700. I hit on this record : -------------- Cuthbert GIBSON, of Hoode in the parish of Midleton in Teasdaile (Midelton in Teasedale, Middleton) [Middleton in Teesdale, County Durham]; also spelt Cuthbart Date of probate: 1637     will, 13 July 1637 (DPR/I/1/1637/G2/1)     indented inventory, actual total £54 10s (with account of debts and funeral expenses of £41), 25 July 1637 (DPR/I/1/1637/G2/2-3)     bond, 1637 (DPR/I/3/1637/B242) ---------------- Which could have been his ancestor but I haven't been able to source an image of the will itself - LDS don't have images from that far back which rather begs the question of where Durham University have been able to extract the above information from. Anyway, many thanks for the link which, if nothing else made me revisit the families and I have been able to supplement some of my Lancashire data with transcriptions done since my original research. BobC On 02/08/2018 10:13, June Dowling via LANCSGEN wrote: > My sincere apologies if these sites have already been mentioned -- the correspondence on this subject has been quite 'booming' - and my age related brain shrinkage causes me to overlook things!! > Derbyshire have some interesting records here on their 'Yesterdays Journey' site. > http://sites.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm > > Northumberland and Durham pre 1858 Wills are on Family Search as browsable, BUT -- if you go to this site; > http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/simple.php > > Enter the details - select the will you want and click the link - you will be taken straight to that Will on the Family Search site and can save or print it. > Regards June > > -- Bob C http://www.bccy.org.uk and http://extra.bccy.org.uk

On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 at 11:16, familyhistory <familyhistory@bccy.org.uk> wrote: ... > > Which could have been his ancestor but I haven't been able to source an > image of the will itself - LDS don't have images from that far back > which rather begs the question of where Durham University have been able > to extract the above information from. ... From URL http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/images.php#earlywills "The pre-1650 wills and inventories "Note that the pre-1650 original wills and inventories etc (series DPR/I/1) were not digitised by the GSU, as they were still being sorted and numbered at the time. These will not therefore be included in the initial tranche of digital images made available online, though we hope we may be able to have them digitised separately at a later date. They are, however, included within this online catalogue. "The pre-1695 bonds "These are small parchment documents, double-sided (most later bonds are single sided paper documents, though still written in two 'parts'). Most include seals, and for this reason these documents cannot be photocopied without risking damage to the originals. "Because many of these early bonds are badly obscured by dirt, they would require extensive cleaning and conservation work before they could be photographed satisfactorily. For this reason, the pre-1695 probate bonds were not digitised by the GSU, and digital images of them will not be made available on their Family Search website. ... " Adrian

hi Bob C Yes - I see what you mean -- I obtained your Cuthbert's reference from the website and checked on Family Search. They don't go back to 1637 at the moment -- but reading the 'blurb' it seems that there is hope that missing sections will be included in the future. Fingers crossed. I would imagine that Durham University obtained the details from Durham County Record Office -- but I don't know. I have searched their catalogue without result. However to ask them to check and perhaps obtain a copy would be at a cost. So pleased that you obtained some details though -- that's brilliant news. Regards June From: familyhistory <familyhistory@bccy.org.uk> To: lancsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2018, 11:16 Subject: [LAN] Re: Online Parish Records June, The Northumberland/Durham one reawakened an interest I had in tracing a Cuthbert Gibson of Burnley who appears to have come from Barningham (near Barnards Castle) around 1700. I hit on this record : -------------- Cuthbert GIBSON, of Hoode in the parish of Midleton in Teasdaile (Midelton in Teasedale, Middleton) [Middleton in Teesdale, County Durham]; also spelt Cuthbart Date of probate: 1637     will, 13 July 1637 (DPR/I/1/1637/G2/1)     indented inventory, actual total £54 10s (with account of debts and funeral expenses of £41), 25 July 1637 (DPR/I/1/1637/G2/2-3)     bond, 1637 (DPR/I/3/1637/B242) ---------------- Which could have been his ancestor but I haven't been able to source an image of the will itself - LDS don't have images from that far back which rather begs the question of where Durham University have been able to extract the above information from. Anyway, many thanks for the link which, if nothing else made me revisit the families and I have been able to supplement some of my Lancashire data with transcriptions done since my original research. BobC

Thank you, I will have to save these sites! Teri On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 12:37 AM, Phil Marsden via LANCSGEN <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > > > I have always found http://www.dustydocs.com/country-show/1/England.html to > be very useful in identifying the sources for individual parish records, it > also identifies the film numbers for Familysearch which can be used as a > filter, i.e. when using https://www.familysearch.org/search/hr/search enter > a surname and country and use the 'Restrict records by' the film number > given in dustydocs, this will give you all persons of that name transcribed > from that parish. > > > > Regards, Phil Marsden > > > > Researching Marsden on the Lancs/Yorks border areas. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/lancsgen > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community