John, do oyu mind my asking, how complete are the record transcriptions for the 16th through 18th centuries? 50%? 75% More? -rt_/)

Hi, Ralph, Under the subject 'LancshireBMD' you ask > how complete are the record transcriptions for the 16th through 18th centuries? LancashireBMD (http://lancashirebmd.org.uk ) is an index to the civil registers held in the local Registrars' offices. This means that there are NO entries prior to July 1837. Different Registrars have put different closing dates on the Registers that can be indexed. The nearest equivalent for earlier times, is the Lancashire On-Line Parish Clerk Project (http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ ). This is another volunteer project that is transcribing parish registers and other documents and includes any that it can access from the earliest times to the present. This project is dependent on having volunteers AND on being able to access parish registers. Some religious authorities are very cooperative but others have good reasons for not releasing their registers. You must also remember that some registers have been lost, some permanently and some just hidden. The latter may surface at any time. As we do not know how many parish registers were created, we cannot give an answer to your query. I think that both sites suggest that you check them at intervals to see if there is anything new for you. Sorry not to be able to give a more precise answer, Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.) On 23/06/2018 23:38, Ralph Taylor wrote: > > John, do oyu mind my asking, how complete are the record transcriptions for > the 16th through 18th centuries? > > 50%? 75% More? > -rt_/)

Hi Jim, Just curious. What are the good reasons as to why some religious authorities not releasing registers dated before 1837? Colin Rowley On Sun, 24 Jun 2018, 10:23 PM jim lancaster <lancaster.jim@zen.co.uk> wrote: > Hi, Ralph, > > Under the subject 'LancshireBMD' you ask > > > how complete are the record transcriptions for the 16th through 18th > centuries? > > LancashireBMD (http://lancashirebmd.org.uk ) is an index to the civil > registers held in the local Registrars' offices. This means that there > are NO entries prior to July 1837. Different Registrars have put > different closing dates on the Registers that can be indexed. > > The nearest equivalent for earlier times, is the Lancashire On-Line > Parish Clerk Project (http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ ). This is another > volunteer project that is transcribing parish registers and other > documents and includes any that it can access from the earliest times to > the present. This project is dependent on having volunteers AND on > being able to access parish registers. Some religious authorities are > very cooperative but others have good reasons for not releasing their > registers. You must also remember that some registers have been lost, > some permanently and some just hidden. The latter may surface at any > time. > > As we do not know how many parish registers were created, we cannot give > an answer to your query. I think that both sites suggest that you check > them at intervals to see if there is anything new for you. > > Sorry not to be able to give a more precise answer, > > Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.) > > On 23/06/2018 23:38, Ralph Taylor wrote: > > > > John, do oyu mind my asking, how complete are the record transcriptions > for > > the 16th through 18th centuries? > > > > 50%? 75% More? > > -rt_/) > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hi, Colin, Thanks for your note - > What are the good reasons as to why some religious authorities not releasing registers dated before 1837? First, the civil registers are 'public' documents. Yes we have the right to see what is recorded but to find the details we have to pay for a certified copy., we cannot just view the registers There is no such thing as a free lunch. Religious registers on the other hand are private documents, generated by and for the religious group concerned. Anglican marriage registers are a possible exception because the minister officiating at a marriage in an Anglican church is acting as the civil registrar. He compiles two registers at the same time and, when they are full, one is sent to the local Registrar as the civil register. I understand that an official scale of fees for the consultation of registers held in a parish is approved by Parliament. Many religious groups deposit their registers in a Record Office when they are no longer needed for religious purposes. Some of these bodies may impose closure periods on access to the registers to avoid problems with data privacy. About two years ago, the Catholic Bishops of England and Wales imposed a closure period of 110 years on Catholic sacramental registers, and this has been observed by the Lancashire On-Line Parish Clerk Project. I know of one Parish priest who does not allow access to the early registers of his parish that are about 150 years old, because there are still families living in his parish whose ancestors are recorded in those registers. Before the ready access of the internet, the main way to access baptism, marriage and death information for events prior to 1837 was to visit a Record Office. Some registers had been filmed by the Mormon community and you could scroll through reels of film to search. The Mormons, for their own religious reasons, also compiled a database from these films - the International Genealogical Index (IGI). It was noticeable that there were very few records from Anglican parishes in Cheshire. I was told that this because the then Bishop of Chester refused permission for the LDS to film parish registers from the Diocese of Chester. The reason for this was said to be that the Bishop did not want the LDS posthumously enrolling the people named in the registers into the LDS Church. This fear still exists today in places. Remember, most religious registers are private documents. Hope this helps, Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.) On 24/06/2018 22:11, Colin Rowley wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Just curious. What are the good reasons as to why some religious > authorities not releasing registers dated before 1837? > > Colin Rowley

Hi Jim, Thanks for the excellent explanation. Learnt more today. Colin, Melbourne , Australia. On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, 9:16 AM jim lancaster <lancaster.jim@zen.co.uk> wrote: > Hi, Colin, > > Thanks for your note - > > > What are the good reasons as to why some religious authorities not > releasing registers dated before 1837? > > First, the civil registers are 'public' documents. Yes we have the > right to see what is recorded but to find the details we have to pay for > a certified copy., we cannot just view the registers There is no such > thing as a free lunch. > > Religious registers on the other hand are private documents, generated > by and for the religious group concerned. Anglican marriage registers > are a possible exception because the minister officiating at a marriage > in an Anglican church is acting as the civil registrar. He compiles two > registers at the same time and, when they are full, one is sent to the > local Registrar as the civil register. I understand that an official > scale of fees for the consultation of registers held in a parish is > approved by Parliament. > > Many religious groups deposit their registers in a Record Office when > they are no longer needed for religious purposes. Some of these bodies > may impose closure periods on access to the registers to avoid problems > with data privacy. About two years ago, the Catholic Bishops of England > and Wales imposed a closure period of 110 years on Catholic sacramental > registers, and this has been observed by the Lancashire On-Line Parish > Clerk Project. I know of one Parish priest who does not allow access to > the early registers of his parish that are about 150 years old, because > there are still families living in his parish whose ancestors are > recorded in those registers. > > Before the ready access of the internet, the main way to access baptism, > marriage and death information for events prior to 1837 was to visit a > Record Office. Some registers had been filmed by the Mormon community > and you could scroll through reels of film to search. The Mormons, for > their own religious reasons, also compiled a database from these films - > the International Genealogical Index (IGI). It was noticeable that > there were very few records from Anglican parishes in Cheshire. I was > told that this because the then Bishop of Chester refused permission for > the LDS to film parish registers from the Diocese of Chester. The > reason for this was said to be that the Bishop did not want the LDS > posthumously enrolling the people named in the registers into the LDS > Church. This fear still exists today in places. > > Remember, most religious registers are private documents. > > Hope this helps, > > Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.) > > On 24/06/2018 22:11, Colin Rowley wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > > > Just curious. What are the good reasons as to why some religious > > authorities not releasing registers dated before 1837? > > > > Colin Rowley > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

It has nothing to do with religious authorities. BMDs relate to civil registration. It only became law on 01 July 1837 that all births, marriages and deaths needed to be registered with the civil authority in England and Wales. Baptisms, marriages and burials continued in churches but these also required a separate certificate from the local Registrar (although a Church of England vicar acted as registrar for marriages in parish churches). Ruth Sent from my iPad > On 24 Jun 2018, at 22:12, Colin Rowley <colinrowleyau@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > Just curious. What are the good reasons as to why some religious > authorities not releasing registers dated before 1837? > > Colin Rowley > >> On Sun, 24 Jun 2018, 10:23 PM jim lancaster <lancaster.jim@zen.co.uk> wrote: >> >> Hi, Ralph, >> >> Under the subject 'LancshireBMD' you ask >> >>> how complete are the record transcriptions for the 16th through 18th >> centuries? >> >> LancashireBMD (http://lancashirebmd.org.uk ) is an index to the civil >> registers held in the local Registrars' offices. This means that there >> are NO entries prior to July 1837. Different Registrars have put >> different closing dates on the Registers that can be indexed. >> >> The nearest equivalent for earlier times, is the Lancashire On-Line >> Parish Clerk Project (http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ ). This is another >> volunteer project that is transcribing parish registers and other >> documents and includes any that it can access from the earliest times to >> the present. This project is dependent on having volunteers AND on >> being able to access parish registers. Some religious authorities are >> very cooperative but others have good reasons for not releasing their >> registers. You must also remember that some registers have been lost, >> some permanently and some just hidden. The latter may surface at any >> time. >> >> As we do not know how many parish registers were created, we cannot give >> an answer to your query. I think that both sites suggest that you check >> them at intervals to see if there is anything new for you. >> >> Sorry not to be able to give a more precise answer, >> >> Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.) >> >>> On 23/06/2018 23:38, Ralph Taylor wrote: >>> >>> John, do oyu mind my asking, how complete are the record transcriptions >> for >>> the 16th through 18th centuries? >>> >>> 50%? 75% More? >>> -rt_/) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >> >> GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/ >> >> Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Archives: >> https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community > > _______________________________________________ > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > GENUKI - a virtual reference library of genealogical information. http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > > Contact the list administrator at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/lancsgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community