This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kmorgan01 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.lan.general/52629.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Shelagh, Apologies for the tardy reply.I received no e-mail from ancestry regarding your last response. The birth cert has the mother's name in full as Mary Jane Ross, yet the father's as just Joseph Ellis Do you think i'm following the wrong path? I'm not too convinced due mainly to Yorkshire as birthplace as opposed to Chirk on census records. Their Liverpool marriage in 1855 does seem to be advanced for their only child's birth in 1865. I have now been concentrating on the marriage of Joseph Ellis to Mary Lloyd on 4/10/1862 in Denbigh. This date would fit in better with my gt gt gf birth in 1865 Joseph ,a labourer. son of George also a labourer, born Flintshire (Chirk border) 1836 and Mary Lloyd, d/o James Lloyd, also a labourer. Witnesses were Thomas Ellis and Elizabeth Lloyd, who if according to census, were siblings to the married couple.. All I need to find now is a birth for a Joseph Ellis about 1865 with a mother surname Lloyd !!! I do hope that this is not another red herring. Karen I Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>